An American government health-care system you should know
posted at 12:16 pm on July 14, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Over the last few months, as Barack Obama’s plans to transform the health-care industry in America have proceeded, I have written extensively on the two existing government-run health-care systems and their myriad problems: Medicare/Medicaid and the VA. It seems I missed a third that may be worse than either or perhaps both combined. Mary Clare Jalonick of the Associated Press provides an eye-opening report on Indian Health Service, a single-payer system that rations care to Native Americans on reservations across the country — and kills them through neglect and a severe lack of resources:
On some reservations, the oft-quoted refrain is “don’t get sick after June,” when the federal dollars run out. It’s a sick joke, and a sad one, because it’s sometimes true, especially on the poorest reservations where residents cannot afford health insurance. Officials say they have about half of what they need to operate, and patients know they must be dying or about to lose a limb to get serious care.
Wealthier tribes can supplement the federal health service budget with their own money. But poorer tribes, often those on the most remote reservations, far away from city hospitals, are stuck with grossly substandard care. The agency itself describes a “rationed health care system.”
The sad fact is an old fact, too.
The U.S. has an obligation, based on a 1787 agreement between tribes and the government, to provide American Indians with free health care on reservations. But that promise has not been kept. About one-third more is spent per capita on health care for felons in federal prison, according to 2005 data from the health service.
Without a doubt, the people on the reservations represent some of the poorest of the poor in America. Yet we already have a single-payer system in place to provide health care to Native Americans on these reservations. Do we properly fund it? Do we make sure that enough resources are applied to ensure good health care? Not at all. It is, as the agency itself describes, a system of rationing medical resources, and the end result is a poor population unable to seek out its own care locked into a system that only works when someone is on death’s door.
In fact, as Jalonick reports, it often doesn’t recognize when a patient faces death. Jalonick profiles the heartrending case of Ta’Shon Rain Little Light, who began complaining of stomach pains at the age of 5, and stopped eating and playing. The overwhelmed clinic diagnosed her as depressed, and ten subsequent visits to the clinic over the next several months while Ta’Shon’s symptoms worsened didn’t change the diagnosis. Only when she suffered a collapsed lung did IHS airlift her to Denver, where Ta’Shon was diagnosed with terminal cancer. Could it have been treated? We’ll never know, thanks to a diagnostic service that appears to be just above the wild-guess level on the reservation.
When government owns the nation’s health-care system, we can all look forward to the same level of care. After all, as Obama himself insists, a government-run system will “save costs,” but he never explains how those costs get saved. We will all go into the rationing-system grinder, just as veterans do with the VA, seniors and disabled do with Medicare, and Native Americans do with IHS.
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You already live in a state with an insurance agency. They deal with daily complaints.
You already live in a country where Medicare is the primary insurance for people retiring.
The government is involved.
I say, we get engaged.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Don’t own a gun either… Tho, your type will force me to buy one to protect myself from Government and your ilk.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM
I will tell you that Kaiser is far more efficient than any private doctor plan I’ve ever been with about appointments.
They keep a schedule.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 1:09 PM
yeah and Mussulini kept the trains running on time. What is your point?
Willie on July 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM
If they stay locked in the ivory towers of high-income people who are comfortable with their health insurance, then they will not grasp why Palin is popular, why they are losing support by the day, why they are considered to be irrelevant.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Once again, I will restate: My husband and I are not wealthy people. We pay a lot for our plan, but we get the coverage necessary to take care of our children. MY CHILDREN ARE NOT ANYONE ELSE’S RESPONSIBILITY. Why should any of the people on this blog be responsible for my children’s healthcare when they had absolutely no input in bringing these kids about. Personal responsibility in this country is dying and taking this country down with it. My husband and I work in the oil industry which I am sure your buddy Obama will destroy in short order. We work for a living and my husband works his a#$ off on an oil platform to provide for our family. Stop trying to destroy our way of life, to suit your needs.
TXMomof3 on July 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Go here and read about innovation and research in the U.S.
A 19 year old girl in England was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor. (She had to wait 4 months to get the results of an MRI just one example of the problems with NHS.) Her family refused to believe she would die so young so they started scouring the Internet for alternatives.
And found a Dr. in the USA who not only operated on her, but did so in just a few months.
That 19 year old is now 23, just got married and is in great health.
It’s a pretty clear example – the NHS in the U.K. provides no allowance for research, so they declared this girl a lost cause and moved on. Obamacare will stifle the kind of research that allowed this American surgeon to save this girl’s life – and who knows how many others.
KrisinNE on July 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Yeah, we’re part of that fringe group that makes up about 50% of the population that opposes socialized health care. We’re all a bunch of crazy nut jobs.
patriette on July 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM
OK. I missed it.
IT IS A PRIVATE HEALTHCARE COMPANY.
Just because it says “non-profit” (only one side of the company actually), doesn’t mean it isn’t PRIVATE. Non-profits make billions of dollars.
Your wonderful healthcare was delivered by THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Not at all. Apparently you’re within range of internet access.
I simply was curious if you’re a kind of scary “in the woods” kind of conservative.
You make bombs as a hobby?
:)
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Yeah, and that is working out great.
I can understand you’re wanting an Alpha Male such as myself, but it ain’t gonna happen, sweetie. My wife wouldn’t allow it.
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 2:09 PM
shmendrick on July 14, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Doctors are not disbarred, lawyers are. If a doctor has lost his license to practice, that is not regulated by the feds, it is regulated by the states. I do not see how a doctor who has no license to practice, can practice, anywhere in the country; unless he or she lies about status.
Willie on July 14, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Me either. But I assure you. I only annoy people on-line who disagree. I am not violent.
LOL*
Seriously, this is just not a big flipping deal, people!
It’s not like the civil war. It’s just a political dispute.
Very legitimate, too.
Hey, did you guys know that healthcare killed Trumann, too?
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:10 PM
Heh. Honey, you have no idea.
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 2:10 PM
OK, so you’re self-identified fringe people?
(Do you live in the woods and tote a gun?)
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Ann, I am a Conservative, not a Republican. We live in the woods, at the end of a dirt road to protect our children from the type of freaks that live in California. We own many guns, several bought since November 4, 2008, and are stocking up on ammunition.
TXMomof3 on July 14, 2009 at 2:10 PM
They certainly do.
Just look at the salary of the head of the United Way, Charlotte NC:
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM
I see what you’re getting at now. However, you’re being misled. Yes, there has been a greater rate of reclassification to OTC over there (which is admittedly infuriating), but this is typically for non-controversial drugs – motivated, I may add, by the pressure that prescribing such drugs places on the PUBLIC healthcare systems!
However, don’t get all boneriffic about europe just yet. Try buying painkillers or antibiotics. Try buying any modern advanced pharmaceuticals.
I want to see and end to the prescription mechanism, period. Buy whatever you want. End government intervention. The FDA should be nothing more than an advisory body.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Can I be so bold as to ask? Do you think you need the protection about animals? Or people?
I will share, so I don’t seem overly-intrustive. I have a small dog who is territorial.
Nobody gets to my porch. *haha
Now, what I’d do if they just ignored her?
Nothing.
Her bite would not break the skin. I definitely am not the type to ever even dream of pointing a gun at anyone.
I’d just have to surrender immediately.
I suppose my type seems way wierd to your type. Your type seems way wierd to my type.
I think I’m saying, I’d rather be killed than kill.
And I’m betting I never have to be put into that spot.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM
My freedom isn’t just a political dispute. This is what you don’t and won’t understand. We’re not playing a game here, Sport. I will fight for my freedom. And that is the simple truth.
Btw…My ancestor, Arthur Middleton, signed the Declaration of Independence. I take the INDEPENDENCE part very seriously. Doubt me not.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM
Oy vey…..Come on.
That’s just nutty talk.
This is so not big stuff, david.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:21 PM
That makes you a Darwin Award candidate.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Pathetic waste of DNA
And you’re sociopathic enough to cheer gubmint thugs on as they force everyone else to accept that gamble.
You’re a disgusting cancerous blight on America.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Well, let’s talk specifics, then. All of us give up some freedom. That’s also society. We join together and agree on certain stuff and things are smoother.
But you shouldn’t feel that you’re ousted.
So talk about what really seems to be a loss of freedom.
I think we all deserve to feel at ease. Sometimes, of course, we’re ill-at-ease with cultural changes. I call that the results of living well and long.
Eventually, cultural mores shift. We all seem “out of sync.”
We were cool once. Now we aren’t.
It’s not a big deal.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM
Woah. You’d know if it ever came up.
I think instinct would take over.
As for guns, look at it this way – it would be a far more humane way for someone to “expire” if they intruded into my home in the middle of the night, while my kids were inside.
I mean, come on – a golf club, or a bat, or a kitchen knife, or hands and feet would be a horrible way to go.
reaganaut on July 14, 2009 at 2:26 PM
You’re starting to sound more and more like getalife.
Ignore the lefty moonbat Troll
Knucklehead on July 14, 2009 at 2:27 PM
I’d just have to surrender immediately.
I suppose my type seems way wierd to your type. Your type seems way wierd to my type.
I think I’m saying, I’d rather be killed than kill.
It’s weird, in more ways than one
dgstock1947 on July 14, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I’ll stick with the Constitution, Hon. I don’t care to leave my rights and freedoms to your and Obaa-aa-maa’s very flawed judgement.
I don’t know about you… but I’m cool. But if you and your ilk try to take my freedoms any more than you already have, I will react to protect them.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Good. Then I’m sure you won’t mind conceding that we have a right to not have to pay into a socialized, universal “health” care system.
patriette on July 14, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Nutty? *snicker*
Fun With Pipe Bombs
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Not all situations will come down to just you. What about someone who is with you? Rather see someone you love killed before you’d try to protect them and yourself?
With the direction this country is going in thanks to Obama and his minions – my husband and I identify with TXMomof3:
KrisinNE on July 14, 2009 at 2:32 PM
YES, I agree.
I do object to shooting human beings. Frankly, this goes badck to a pet rat.
I won’t bore you with an insane story.
But that day, I learned, I’m just not capable.
So anyway, I don’t arm my home. I do have this terrific dog.
I still can’t say she’s all that useful. I would have to, I suppose, jump out of the second floor.
Probably ending up a wreck from that “escape” would be about the same as shot.
Whatever.
I simply can’t stand to live life worrying about whose going to shoot me.
That is neurotic.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Oh goody, another nutty AnninCA thread.
moonsbreath on July 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Kris…my kids are grown. I’m no longer in protector mode.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:34 PM
I agree. I just shudder to think that this country is even more stupidly regulatory than Europe, when it comes to Rxs and public schools.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 2:34 PM
We seem to have imported a lot of the euro-idiocy over recent decades….but I assure you, it is far worse over there.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 2:38 PM
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM
I am not really a big gun person. My husband is. We do not keep guns because of fear of animals, I live in Texas. There are no animals other than stay mean dogs that I would be afraid of. The guns are to protect our property and children. I would shoot any person endangering my children or intruding in my home in a heartbeat. My husband has given me the basic knowledge to load and shoot them all.
TXMomof3 on July 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM
What’s funny is that Europe is moving ever so slightly back our direction, while we’re looking to go full boar toward statism. So, if we soooo need to be like Europe, why are we picking up on the failed policies they’re rejecting?
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Equivocation. You are talking about absolute freedom which does not exist. We are talking about freedom from a government which, by definition, does not believe in any freedom. According to them we are all predetermined by genetics–we, except those who have evolved sufficiently to be above it all, have no freedom of choice.
If you wish another term, let’s call it liberty. I want the liberty to fail, to get hurt, to make the wrong decisions. I don’t want a Hillary Clinton village to care for me, I don’t want their “help” at all.
Are you getting it yet? I don’t want you or anybody else telling me I must wear a seatbelt. That I can’t blow myself up making things that go boom. I want to be “free” to be sick or well on my own terms. To put up a fence as high as I want for whatever reason I want. I want to draw my own lines. I don’t want you telling me yes or no.
Just as you don’t want a “domineering male” telling you what to do, I don’t want a domineering government telling me not to smoke, eat transfat, own only x number of animals, to pay them rent on land and house that I own.
I want the government and your kind telling me how to live my life.
Ann, “all in all, you’re just another brick in the wall.”
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Got it. There was a recent funny story. In LA, there are bears. For real.
It’s out in the suburbs, of course.
But every year, we get the bear stories.
One broke into a home and was on the master bed, relaxing like mad!
The woman did not shoot the bear. It probably would have triggered an attack unless the weapon used was the right type for that prey.
But, my worse “enemies” are possums. They could hurt my dog, but they are very afraid.
The other “enemies” are local druggees. I did encounter one of them in my garage one night.
I just yelled at him, and he left. They were later apprehended.
We have had break-ins from druggees.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Of course, I get it.
I even think your protests are needed. It can moderate the nanny-state.
Do I agree?
No.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Ann, or anyone else that think the government should, and has the right, to get involved in our healthcare, you obviously never read the tenth amendment:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Unless you find and existing mandate for it in the constitution, or amend it to be included, it is illegal for our federal government to provide health insurance, or similar solution. I am completely aware of the fact that the current federal government is in violation of the constitution in a variety of ways. So in some peoples minds, that validates further illegal policies. I completely disagree. Going further in the wrong direction is not improvement. If you desire government run society, amend the founding documents.
Along the same lines, there is nothing in the constitution that restricts California from having universal healthcare. And you’d all be more than welcome to it. And as California’s overly expensive, overly regulated society gets even more so, people will continue to move to states with more free, and inexpensive governments. We will continue to validate the idea that government is only the best answer when it is impossible to provide the service in question under a free market.
aelhues on July 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM
obviously “don’t”
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Then you certainly don’t get it.
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 2:51 PM
No, if you can’t accept alternative perspectives, then the problem is yours, not mine.
And this isn’t politics, it’s about ideology or maybe neuroses.
Whatever, I am not interested in disrespecting your viewpoint.
I am interested in seeing the country forge forward.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Very well said.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:55 PM
By trampling on and disrespecting others’ rights. Good plan there.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:56 PM
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:57 PM
wait… I meant, “..and a vast lack of respect to others’ rights”.
Wow…”disrespecting” *slaps hand*
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:57 PM
So, where does one go to get a second opinion under obammycare?
Will private healthcare be outlawed like in Canada so no second opinions are available?
Will they make obtaining second opinions so difficult, e.g., a wait of months to see a second doctor, so as to make a second opinion worthless because you will have died waiting?
This is an important right and of course, the donks don’t even consider it because their stupid plan is unworkable and is being rushed through and shoved down our throats. Obama’s comments that we’re put on notice and that it will happen are a clear indication of what he plans to do.
Blake on July 14, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Um…if it involves Government power, it involves the Constitution.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 2:59 PM
The same place you can go now.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Ann, why are you even here? No one here agrees with you. You’re not going to convince anyone here that Big Government is a good thing. You obviously don’t have a clue about the Constitution and it’s limits on Government. You don’t care enough about your life to protect it, but you’re willing to put everyone else’s in jeopardy.
You are not welcome. You are a troll. Please just go away.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Only until Private care can no longer compete. How do you figure a business that has to make a profit to survive is in competition with Government, which doesn’t? Thick.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 3:02 PM
I can go anywhere I want to now. I won’t be able to under national healthcare. So, thanks for your nonanswer.
Do you just like to hear the sound of your fingers typing? Because if you haven’t noticed, you dominate these threads while contributing absolutely nothing, Ann.
Blake on July 14, 2009 at 3:05 PM
You might actually be the stupidest person I have ever encountered online, to date.
EVERYTHING the government does is a Constitutional issue.
Do you understand what the 10th Amendment means?
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM
With so many examples of how the government just ruins everything it touches…………..
…………… why not shove this in Obama’a face?
Seven Percent Solution on July 14, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Why not emphasize that congress is excluding itself from obamacare?
Blake on July 14, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Wow, great intellectual response:
Completely dismiss the constitution and the rule of law, without even an explanation doesn’t show me as nutty, but you. Ignore the reality of what increased government costs, and regulation does. Ignore the track record of other similar programs and policies, and support your point by saying that we have this problem that must be addressed, and the only possible solution is more government. That is all you have said, and sadly I read the entire thread (on a very long conference call).
CA and NY are already losing large numbers of the wealthy, as well as numerous businesses. Companies are moving or seriously considering moving to other countries due to the current and expected future tax and regulation state. I read just last Friday of a software company in NY that is in the process of selling their US holdings to move to Canada because they have less regulation and lower business taxation. We as a country will be destitute in short order if we continue down this path. But you can’t see it.
This has everything to do with the constitution, at least were it not already ripped to shreds. The only way forward towards national prosperity, is to reduce the cost of government, increase freedom and self determination, and actually provide a climate that business owners will fight tooth and nail to be a part of. A constitutionally sound republic. Imagine if we had no corporate taxation? Imagine a country where businesses were fighting over American workers, causing higher salaries, and better benefits. That is a country that is the opposite of the one you are arguing for. But keep it up, you and half of the rest of the blind whiners will drive us to national bankruptcy, and likely an uprising.
aelhues on July 14, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Didn’t the Freddie and Fannie Mae disaster teach us anything?
The Government deliberately forced banks to make loans to people who could not afford them, in order to provide mortgages to politically favored groups.
So anyone who thinks the government won’t politicize healthcare is dreaming. The government that has spent billions more fighting a completely preventable disease in AIDS, that took funding away from congenital diseases and pediatric diseases in order to do so, WILL politicize healthcare, guaranteed.
The feds can’t even handle all that is currently on their plates, they don’t need this monstrosity added on.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 3:17 PM
I think we all agree that reform is needed. However, don’t you think that the reform that is implemented should actually achieve its goal? The “public option” is merely a Trojan horse to get to single-payer and single-payer systems simply don’t work as effectively as they are supposed to. Care gets rationed.
On the other hand, if we get government out of the health care business and unchain health insurance from employers and let it get back to being insurance rather than a prepayment system, then you will see the improvements you seek.
Kafir on July 14, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Completely agree.
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 3:23 PM
That would be Bill Ayres. If you want to chat with him, you’ll need to go over to the Daily Kos, HuffPo, or Whitehouse.gov.
Laura in Maryland on July 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM
That picture, how sad, what an angel!
Jeff from WI on July 14, 2009 at 4:02 PM
“No,
ifyouI can’t accept alternative perspectives,thenthe problem isyours, notmine.And this is
n’tsimply politics, it’s about my ideology or maybe my neuroses.Whatever, I am not interested in
disrespecting your viewpoint or offering any coherent arguments.I am interested in seeing the country
forge forwardmove backwards.AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:55 PM”
Does that help clarify your perspective?
Vera71 on July 14, 2009 at 4:04 PM
aelhues on July 14, 2009 at 3:17 PM Rules on a philosophical level. AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM Well, I have mostly given up on (her?).
I am an attorney and I can really tear up people since I actually read the stuff in law school. But I don’t like to attack unarmed civilians and shall not here. And they might be better people, smarter in almost every way, better hygiene…I am not putting anyone down, really.
However, I can’t let it pass that there are NO constitutional issues in healthcare “reform”. Here is one article so I don’t have to write all day. Thanks Wall Street Journal.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562948992235831.html
One last question: When did The One ever feel constrained by that document? He fires corporate mamagers and rewrites contracts of debt for goodness sake!
IlikedAUH2O on July 14, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Ah, the inevitable comparisons with Kaiser…
Kaiser Permanente was started by Henry J. Kaiser at his shipyards here in NoCal during WWII to help keep his workers healthy and because pay was frozen but benefits weren’t. He could attract and keep the workers he needed.
Over the years, Kaiser Permanente expanded to include non-Kaiser employers/employees. Hubs was insured by Kaiser when he was a kid (through his dad’s union, Food & Grocery Workers) and in the 1960’s & 1970’s, Kaiser was great as long as you had something physically “fixable”, like a broken leg. But you were not able to choose your own doctor, appointments for routine exams had to be made months in advance, and there were many bureaucratic hoops to jump through.
We (reluctantly) switched to Kaiser as our HMO in the 1990’s and have seen them make many improvements in services offered and in getting physical problems taken care of. However, when DD#1 needed specialized oral surgery, required by her orthodontist, we had to wait 18 months because there is a lack of qualified doctors in the Kaiser system in NoCal (and I was told the wait was worse in SoCal). Kaiser is working hard to increase staffing and also works with other local hospitals to increase availability of facilities (beds, operating rooms, radiation centers, etc.)
One of the reasons they do so is competition from other HMOs. Other insurance companies, both profit & non-profit, either have set up HMOs or Preferred-Provider networks, especially since many companies offer employees a choice of a couple of plans. If Kaiser wants to keep their membership or expand it, they have to match or better what’s available through NON-GOVERNMENT health providers.
What competitive pressure would the Federal Government face to improve the quality of health care or its service?
March Hare on July 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM
AnninCA, I usually ignore you, but your offhand stereotypes of Republicans/Conservatives are particularly offensive and stupid today.
I live in a suburb of Detroit (not one of the wealthy ones), not the woods, and I’m saving to buy my first guns. I don’t need one to protect myself against anyone or anything in particular – no wild animals and I don’t fear my neighbors – but I want one (or two) for a variety of reasons that I consider commonsense.
Crime does happen here, and it’s been increasing as the economy has declined. One more blow to the auto industry could unleash the panic that’s brewing under the surface all around me. My sister was attacked by a man who came in off of her balcony – in a second story apartment – and, despite her black belt, weight lifting, and kickboxing lessons, that average sized man did her some serious damage before a miracle caused him to accidentally lock himself outside of the bathroom, after throwing her into the bathtub. She broke the ceramic soapdish off with her head, but was able to frighten him off by screaming and breaking everything she could lay her hands on in the bathroom. She’d been fighting him off and screaming continuously throughout the attack, but it was only moments before she had the courage to run out of the bathroom to the hallway that one of her neighbors decided to call the police. They all thought, it seems that it was just a boyfriend beating her up, or something similarly banal. She had cuts all over the back of her head, arms, and hands, where he’d beaten her with the gun that he, thank God, never fired, and one of her fingers was broken so badly that she ended up with a bone infection that required a month of IV antibiotics to clear up, and she’ll never be able to bend it, even halfway, again. It could have been worse. It scares the hell out of me to think about how it could have been worse, but it could have. My doors are always locked, day and night, especially when my husband is working out of town, which is most of the time now. If someone breaks in, they’ll have to make some noise doing it, and give me time to grab the shotgun that I hope to own, soon.
I had big dogs for years, but never as weapons. Doesn’t fit with my beliefs regarding dog ownership. Dogs are pets, not replacements for guns, and, if I had one now, I’d have a gun as much to protect my dog as to protect myself and family. I can’t think of anything worse than coming home to find my house ransacked, and my dog dead, because it tried to protect my property. If I were you, I’d be teaching my dog to hide from intruders, but maybe you’re not that fond of it.
I also believe that responsible, sane, decent people have a responsibility to their community to own a gun that they’re trained to use. Not everyone is able to be a gun owner, for a myriad of reasons, and having armed citizens makes a community safer, which is why I also plan to buy a handgun and get a Concealed Carry Permit (though it galls me that I should need a permit from the government, I’ll follow the law). I like my community, and I like the idea of being able to do my part to make it safer, whether the threat is from an armed criminal, a terrorist threat (no, I don’t live in Dearborn either, but every city in this area has a larger than average Muslim population, making the chances higher that we’ll have some extremists among us), or even from our own government.
I don’t *expect* any of these things to happen, though I’m sure you’ll be all too thrilled to write me off as a conspiracy kook, but I’d like to be prepared to protect myself, even if I never have to fire my guns anywhere but the range. I *love* my family, my neighbors, my community, and I love them enough to do all I can to keep them from harm, no matter what kind of threat they face.
Talk of people living in the woods and building bombs is idiotic, and has no basis in reality. Ted Kaczynski is no conservative, and he’s the only example I can think of that you could be referencing. My family and friends actually had discussions about whether we should put up McCain signs last year, because we feared, at the very least, vandalism. People might talk tough here about being prepared for violence, or dangle possibilities that they’re building bombs, but you miss the whole point of that talk – it’s because we’ve seen the evil that leftism has done, and we don’t wish to become victims of that evil, not because we’re preparing to attack. We want to be left alone! What part of that is so hard for the left to understand?
Don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’. Asshole.
ral514 on July 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Sorry–should have qualified the remark about lack of qualified doctors in Kaiser. DD#1’s surgery required a specialist in maxilla (sp?)-ortho surgery.
I’m being treated for breast cancer through Kaiser and waited only two weeks from diagnosis to surgery. And then I was seamlessly transferred to an oncologist and began chemotherapy a month after surgery. The oncology team is great.
March Hare on July 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM
If Obamacare will be anything like IHS health care (in Phx anyway) you can expect: 3+ months wait just to get an appointment at most of the various clinics. Need a dental check? Those appointments can only be made the first and second business days of the month (one day for adults, one for children)for an appointment the following month. But only the first 100 or so get an appointment so you better go in person early and wait in line because no one answers the phone if you try to call in. Hope you don’t need the emergency room because it routinely runs a 4-6 hour wait.
lilfrybread on July 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM
The Kaiser issue wasn’t really over peoples good anecdotes, but rather that Kaiser was being proffered as an example of why we should move to socialist healthcare (”of course we should have ’single payer’ – look at how good Kaiser is!”).
Which is bollocks. Kaiser is an example of a private sector healthcare entity doing its job.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Let’s make a list of all of the public sector entities that are doing their job.
Well, there’s the US military.
And then there is . . . um, well, there’s . . . uh, let’s see, it’s right here somewhere.
Sheesh.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 4:28 PM
True, but it would also be better off being largely privatized….along with law enforcement.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM
RoboCop shows us how that worked out.
And they pretty accurately depicted the current condition of Detroit.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Jesus Christ is she still at it? Ann obviously doesn’t have a job.
Fact is 80% of people like their healthcare just as it is.
Why eff it up for the 10% that don’t. Or the other 10% that “don’t know”. Good grief.
JAM on July 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM
That was a joke, right?
You didn’t seriously use one of the all-time shittiest scifi movies of all time as a rebuttal…..did you?
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Anyway, what’s wrong with dying? They should be glad to be cremated and put back into the earth for the future of our children.
Dying of sickness in poverty is patriotic.
LimeyGeek on July 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM
You want government health care…this is what we get.
I do not understand how a nice person, wants so many to suffer.
right2bright on July 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Hey, I like that!
oldleprechaun on July 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM
“I remember when I was a young executive for this company. I used to call the old man funny names. “Iron Butt.” “Boner.” Once I even called him…”asshole.” But there was always respect. I always knew where the line was drawn. And you just stepped over it, buddy-boy. You’ve insulted me. And you’ve insulted this company with that bastard creation of yours. I had a guarantee military sale with ED 209. Renovation program. Spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it worked or not?” – Dick Jones
There are far worse movies than this.
You’ll be pleased to know that RoboCop 2010 comes out next year. Kwame Kilpatrick will play himself in this one.
You
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Limeygeek,
This quote fits perfectly:
“I remember when I was a young executive for this company. I used to call the old man funny names. “Iron Butt.” “Boner.” Once I even called him…”a-hole.” But there was always respect. I always knew where the line was drawn. And you just stepped over it, buddy-boy. You’ve insulted me. And you’ve insulted this company with that bastard creation of yours. I had a guarantee military sale with ED 209. Renovation program. Spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it worked or not?”
You’ll be pleased to learn that RoboCop 2010 comes out next year. Kwame Kilpatrick will play himself.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Dammit, stupid network.
NoDonkey on July 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Just so you know, when SEALs, Green Berets, etc go through their advanced medical training, they do a 4-6 week stint on one of these reservations. So what, right?
Well, the purpose of the entire course of SOF medical training is to produce a medic who is capable of operating in extremely austere environments, with limited medical supplies, and without the advice of doctors. So basically, working the res is pretty much right in line with that training mission. The guys enjoy it because they get to do literally anything medically that is called for and gain a tremendous experience from it.
Exploratory surgery to remove bullet fragments from a GSW? Check
Setting severely angulated limb fractures? Check
Chest tubes? Check Vascular repair? Check
You name it we do it on the indian reservations. Cool training, but it sucks for them.
Froggy on July 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM
The point I was trying to make is that health care under Kaiser improved ONLY when Kaiser faced competition and to reiterate that Kaiser is a PRIVATE organization.
Government health care has no competitive pressure, so no need to improve.
Sorry I wasn’t clearer.
March Hare on July 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM
I just spent the last month on an Indian reservation. A lot of them die really young. I’m not sure how much of it is the healthcare but there is a lot of alcoholism/meth use. So I don’t know if I’d say the bad healthcare is the cause of them dying early, but it certainly isn’t helping matters up there, either.
VanPalin on July 14, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Kaiser almost killed my daughter through incompetence and before you ask we got everybody but the kitchen sink involved with the sh…. followup. They kept their appointments but did nothing during them but say everything was okay.
chemman on July 14, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Thank you. I hope it shuts Ann up for the moment. I live near Detroit as well, and am surrounded by woods but grew up in the burbs of Detroit. Sorry about your sister. I just got off of Facebook and one of the KOSKids were trying to sell me that a Moyer interview clearly explained how “wonderful” government run care would be. I pissed him off quickly!
Conservican on July 14, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Well I am glad they can keep a schedule but can they keep people alive! My private doctors all keep schedules to and they are competent.
Conservican on July 14, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I worked as a science teacher at a Navaho Reservation school for a year and a half. Kids were great and worked hard in my classes. But don’t get me started on the local IHS it was a disaster.
chemman on July 14, 2009 at 5:58 PM
The empty suits failed at economics so now they want to take their best practices to healthcare? Next thing they will close restaurants and we all eat at the school cafeteria. Surely they wouldn’t trust us with doing our own shopping and cooking.
seven on July 14, 2009 at 6:24 PM
good point. Just for the record, the SOF Medics also train at civilian hospitals in urban areas like Atlanta, Houston and Tampa.
ted c on July 14, 2009 at 6:37 PM
There’s dumb, there’s idiotic, there’s Cynthia McKinney, and then there’s you.
WisCon on July 14, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Thanks oldleprechaun! I mean, the cultist are sheep, you know. Just too bad it didn’t catch on when I KEPT using the term before the election. :)
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM
The House plan (See Real Clear Politics) would tax the person or persons making above $ 350,000.00 a surtax of varying degrees and also levy fines on businesses that do not provide affordable health coverage (exempt if below $ 250,000.00). Just these two things along will wreck our economy and change our capitalistic system forever. This will be the perfect TRAINWRECK!!!
PS.. Anything Henry Waxman helps draft is and will be a train wreck!!
Dire Straits on July 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I was at the DMV today to renew my driver’s license.
Oh my God! This will be Obamacare and it will be awful!
Dhuka on July 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Hehe… can’t you just hear it??
A: “Who’d you vote for?”
B: “Obaa-aa-maa”
Hell, the Serta matress sheep coulda been used – with the right compensation, of course. :)
No worries, their “baaaa” is worse than their bite. ;)
(Forgive me. After that stupida$$ long attempt to get Ann to learn something or shut up, I needed the silliness.)
tickleddragon on July 14, 2009 at 7:25 PM
None of this will matter to the Statists. I remember way back in the day reading about the big joke of ethanol and the school program Head Start. I can clearly remember reading in Time or Newsweek how everyone in Washington knew Head Start was a failure. It had no support and was possibly going to be phased out. I remember reading the same stories about ethanol. So what happened?? Years later they both have been massively refunded and expanded.
So incredibly typical.
JellyToast on July 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Kris…my kids are grown. I’m no longer in protector mode.
AnninCA on July 14, 2009 at 2:34 PM
So a mother’s instinct to protect her young ends when they are no longer a tax deduction? So much for mother of the year award.
The fact that you would rather be killed than kill someone doesn’t make you a pacifist it makes you stupid.
milwife88 on July 14, 2009 at 8:08 PM
I live in Georgia and we don’t go to the DMV anymore. They mail you a notice to renew your license, that’s it. Down side is that I’ve had the same picture for over 15 years.
Perhaps that will be Obama’s healthcare, you go to a website, type in your symptoms and they’ll mail you a notice of what they think it is.
moonsbreath on July 14, 2009 at 8:18 PM
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