SarahPAC raises $733,000 in first six months of 2009; Update: Rush wonders about third-party run

posted at 3:30 pm on July 13, 2009 by Allahpundit

Actually, that’s only a five-month total since the PAC wasn’t up and running until the end of January. By comparison, Romney’s PAC raised $1.4 million through the end of May, but then fundraising is pretty much Mitt’s full-time gig these days and he already has a polished team around him left over from the primaries. Let’s see what happens in the second half when he and Palin go toe-to-toe.

The most intriguing detail from Politico’s report:

The majority of the money raised by SarahPAC so far has come in the form of “unitemized contributions,” meaning donations of less than $200 each. PACS are not required to name those small donors in their filings with the FEC. The remaining money came through more than 700 different $200-plus contributions made by donors from all around the United States.

According to its FEC records, SarahPAC’s biggest expenditure during the reporting period was the more than $103,000 it spent on EDonation.com, a Virginia-based firm that specializes in online fundraising.

Not surprisingly, it sounds like she’s going to follow The One’s lead and turn her support among the base into a cash machine via small donations. In fact, one of the co-founders of Team Sarah has an op-ed in the Examiner today urging her to do exactly that. The only problem: Obama didn’t raise most of his money that way. In fact, percentage-wise, he raised less from contributions under $200 than Bush and Kerry did in 2004. What made him a fundraising juggernaut capable of taking down the Clinton machine was the small money he raised combined with his ability to peel off big donors and big party names from Billary. If Palin runs a true outsider campaign in 2012 and tries to win on the strength of the base alone, she risks being overwhelmed by Romney vacuuming up the big money from party chieftains. Which is to say, even an outsider needs “insiders.” Help her, Fred Malek, you’re her only hope!

Exit question: I’m told Glenn Beck was yelling about a third-party on the radio this morning, a subject that’s been on my mind lately. So choose, bearing in mind that a split conservative vote greatly benefits The One. See, e.g., Clinton’s two victories.

Update: He knows third parties are sure losers but the thought of a “true conservative” faction clearly has him intrigued.

When I watched her speech, when she announced that she was leaving the governorship of Alaska, I didn’t hear the word Republican mentioned once. If I’m Sarah Palin and I’m conservative — Republican Party’s been just as mean-spirited to her as the Democrats have. A lot of them have, a lot of Republican media, a lot of the so-called conservative media have been. I don’t know if she’s going to campaign for conservative Democrats but if she believes that conservatism is the way to go. The one thing that does slightly worry me about this is this whole third party business. Yeah, it’s remote but it’s still a possibility out there and there are a lot of people pushing a third party and that’s — Third parties, they lose, they just lose. Third parties never end up with a congressional or Senate candidates. It’s just not the way to go. We’ll save that for later if that actually begins to transpire, we see it beginning to transpire.

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Most of the corrupt MSM, liberals, and rinos keep trying to knock this woman to her knees but she punches back as one lonely warrior. There is nothing weak about this frontier woman. The shackles are about to be released. She is a young warrior coming into her own. I like this woman and would be proud to stand with her in battle.

oldyeller on July 13, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Look, if Palin’s main sin is that she hasn’t read Hayek and Rand, I don’t think your field of prospective candidates is going to be very large. There’s stupidity, there’s ignorance, and there’s pretentiousness. It doesn’t take a Ph.D. to understand conservative principles.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Precisely.

You know damn well that Newt has read everything on the list. But can he get elected? I don’t think so…not nationally.

It requires something else. And Palin may just have it.

connertown on July 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM

DeMint and Michele Bachmann. And do you mean Lynne Cheney or Liz C

That’s what happen when you’re being attacked from all sides and typing furiously. Of course I know how to spell their names.

And, as I previously stated, I do mean LYNN Cheney, not Liz. Lynn has federal administrative experience, is a warm, wonderful communicator, is imminently likable (even by women) and has,um, a pretty darn smart husband to help her along.

Not gonna happen, of course…but one can dream.

Oh..and thanks for the ad hominen attack: stay classy.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM

You’re a “guntotinglibertarian” and you like someone as weak on the Second Amendment as Rudy the RINO?

Ever notice how the really weird ones show up on Allah’s threads?

bw222 on July 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM

If Palin can quote Urdu poetry in Austrian within the 56th state while eating frozen custard, she has my vote.

Ris4victory on July 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM

@guntotinglibertarian

Dude…put down the bottle. :-)

connertown on July 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Grow Fins on July 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Upinak has what you do not have;

Friends on this board, who appreciate her posts.

Upinak does what you do not;

Contribute.

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Grow Fins on July 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Hmmm…have to look through the thread and see how many other lefties feel compelled to comment on such an insignificant nobody as Palin. I know dcwvu has been here…

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Good grief, people.

upinak’s question was:

So saying Trig wasn’t her son, giving her crap for having a disabled child.. is taffy pulling?

Happy now?

Snowed In on July 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM

oldyeller on July 13, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Well said!

Karmi on July 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM

They can win… because?

littleguy on July 13, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Palin can win…because?

Rudy has an awesome record of accomplishment and can be very, very charming. He just ran a horrible campaign and was hammered by the pro-lifers in the primaries.

Michele Bachmann is sort of Sarah Palin with more guts and more brains. I just like her because she has bigger cojones than all the Ken Dolls in the GOP.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM

RedSoxNation on July 13, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Then take it up with Allah. He started it, at least here on HA.

Sapwolf on July 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I know dcwvu has been here…

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Came here. Got asked to support it’s point. Left.
Went to another thread. Got asked to support it’s point. Left.

I sense a pattern.

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Michele Bachmann is sort of Sarah Palin with more guts and more brains. I just like her because she has bigger cojones than all the Ken Dolls in the GOP.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM

This is the sort who in 1980 would have been all for Phil Crane or Howard Baker or Bush I over Reagan. More brains, you know. More knowledgeable of all that invaluable theory.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Good grief, people.

upinak’s question was:

So saying Trig wasn’t her son, giving her crap for having a disabled child.. is taffy pulling?
Happy now?

Snowed In on July 13, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Thanks, Snowed In.

Yes, it is taffy-pulling, compared to what Bush and Cheney and any number of other politicians on the right have endured. And certainly to what the signers of the Declaration of Independence went through.

And, as a matter of fact, it would have been a wonderful opportunity for her to get up on the national stage and shame the people who slimed her and her child…but she resigned, instead.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

AP, you magnificent bastard!
Rush and Sarah makes 7 pages in 4 hours.

Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!

Blacksmith8 on July 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Palin can win…because?

Rudy has an awesome record of accomplishment and can be very, very charming. He just ran a horrible campaign and was hammered by the pro-lifers in the primaries.

Michele Bachmann is sort of Sarah Palin with more guts and more brains. I just like her because she has bigger cojones than all the Ken Dolls in the GOP.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Rudy didn’t even register last time around. Michele sounds very nice, but she will get the big club, just like Palin — a graduate of Oral Roberts U? I can only imagine what the media will do with that.

littleguy on July 13, 2009 at 7:21 PM

This is the sort who in 1980 would have been all for Phil Crane or Howard Baker or Bush I over Reagan. More brains, you know. More knowledgeable of all that invaluable theory.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

I voted for Reagan. I campaigned for Reagan. I contributed to Reagan. Twice.

Nice try…at least you remember who Phil Crane is.

I detested Bush 1 with a vengeance.

I merely had mild contempt for Howard Baker.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Michele Bachmann is sort of Sarah Palin with more guts and more brains. I just like her because she has bigger cojones than all the Ken Dolls in the GOP.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM

OK, GTL, I’ve kept out of the back-and-forth up till now.
I don’t want to diminish Ms. Bachmann, but;

How do you quantify guts and brains? You’ve made a comparative judgement, that she has “more” of these things.

How are you measuring these things?

Please answer with reason and logic.

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Rudy didn’t even register last time around. Michele sounds very nice, but she will get the big club, just like Palin — a graduate of Oral Roberts U? I can only imagine what the media will do with that.

littleguy on July 13, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Oral Roberts U? Now I’m REALLY in love with her…I didn’t know that.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Thanks, Snowed In.

Yes, it is taffy-pulling, compared to what Bush and Cheney and any number of other politicians on the right have endured. And certainly to what the signers of the Declaration of Independence went through.

And, as a matter of fact, it would have been a wonderful opportunity for her to get up on the national stage and shame the people who slimed her and her child…but she resigned, instead.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Moby, calling MOBY!

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:23 PM

If Palin can quote Urdu poetry in Austrian within the 56th state while eating frozen custard, she has my vote.

Ris4victory on July 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM

But first she’ll have to deny that her middle name has any religious connotation.

Blacksmith8 on July 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Oral Roberts U? Now I’m REALLY in love with her…I didn’t know that.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Careful, next thing you know you’ll become a Bachmannista!

littleguy on July 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Thanks, Snowed In.

Yes, it is taffy-pulling, compared to what Bush and Cheney and any number of other politicians on the right have endured. And certainly to what the signers of the Declaration of Independence went through.

And, as a matter of fact, it would have been a wonderful opportunity for her to get up on the national stage and shame the people who slimed her and her child…but she resigned, instead.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Give me a break. Criticizing her resignation is one thing; minimizing the anti-Palin slime operation is just disingenuousness.

OK, you don’t like Palin. You think she’s a coward. We get it. Now go plug for Bob Barr or whomever is more theoretically sound and has the infinite fortitude to get you fired up on the road to victory.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Michele Bachmann is sort of Sarah Palin with more guts and more brains. I just like her because she has bigger cojones than all the Ken Dolls in the GOP.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM

GTL,

I am dying of laughing. Not at you. I am laughing because with all of your posts today, you have confirmed you are in fact a Palinista. You believe what many of us believe. I suspect you just don’t know anything about Sarah Palin.

Check out ‘www.conservatives4palin.com’ and read as many of the old threads.

I’m being sincere when I welcome you to the movement.

We need others with like-minded beliefs.

I’m not kidding. It is fascinating how much what you have posted meshes with Sarah’s principles.

Check out C4P. It is the best Palin site on the net. Let us know what you think.

Maybe you and Upinak can do a group hug after you both realize you are on the same damn team.

United we stand.

Sapwolf on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Moby, calling MOBY!

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:23 PM

I don’t think Moby is thinking with his dipstick, Jimmy, uh, I mean upinak. You’re on fire today, chica.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Update: Rush wonders about third-party run

me, too! like a dream come true – and look at that poll! there’s nothing the country needs more than a nascent clowns’ “conservative” party and a democratic monopoly on power for the next generation.

sesquipedalian on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM

but she resigned, instead.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM

There have been 19 frivolous ethics complaints filed against her since November, costing the state and her quite a bit and wasting a lot of state employees’ time. Can you imagine how many more complaints would have popped up by Jan 2011? Is that right for the state of Alaska?

Not saying I was turning cartwheels after her resignation, but I certainly understand her reasons.

/I generally don’t turn cartwheels anyway
//something about being old

Snowed In on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM

How do you quantify guts and brains? You’ve made a comparative judgement, that she has “more” of these things.

How are you measuring these things?

Please answer with reason and logic.

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Bachmann stated straight out that many Democrats in the Congress are Socialists. Absolutely true. Palin never said anything that forceful.

Bachmann said she won’t answer intrusive questions on the census survey…and is taking flak from squishy Republicans in the House because of it…and she is absolutely unrepentant.

Bachmann runs in a closely-divided House district, but stands proudly by her principles under withering fire. Palin resigns.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Snowed In on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Don’t ever look for the Moby question again. I wanted it to look.. and it wasn’t smart enough to go to search!

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Maybe you and Upinak can do a group hug after you both realize you are on the same damn team.

United we stand.

Sapwolf on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I would rather kiss a mama moose on the nose.

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:27 PM

me, too! like a dream come true – and look at that poll! there’s nothing the country needs more than a nascent clowns’ “conservative” party and a democratic monopoly on power for the next generation.

sesquipedalian on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM

A poll-worshiper like you should know that the moonbat fringe is horribly outnumbered by conservatives.

There won’t be a third party.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:28 PM

me, too! like a dream come true – and look at that poll! there’s nothing the country needs more than a nascent clowns’ “conservative” party and a democratic monopoly on power for the next generation.

sesquipedalian on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM

This is what Moby did, the smell of sh*t brought the flies.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Oh, and yet another troll feels compelled to comment on Palin. Hilarious.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:28 PM

am dying of laughing. Not at you. I am laughing because with all of your posts today, you have confirmed you are in fact a Palinista. You believe what many of us believe. I suspect you just don’t know anything about Sarah Palin

Once again, let me repeat an anecdote: a month or so after McCain clinched the nomination, I had a call from one of his fund-raisers. I told the nice young lady that I would never vote for McCain and never give him money unless he put Sarah Palin on the ticket. The very day he announced her nomination, my wife and I sent $4,800 to the campaign.

She just turned out not to be the Sarah Palin I thought I knew, OK?

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Bachmann runs in a closely-divided House district, but stands proudly by her principles under withering fire. Palin resigns.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

I haven’t heard a thing about Bachmann’s family, or anything about loads of phony ethics charges against her. Have you?

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM

The one thing that does slightly worry me about this is this whole third party business. Yeah, it’s remote but it’s still a possibility out there and there are a lot of people pushing a third party and that’s — Third parties, they lose, they just lose. Third parties never end up with a congressional or Senate candidates. It’s just not the way to go. We’ll save that for later if that actually begins to transpire, we see it beginning to transpire.

Well, there was this one little third party that popped up in the 1850′s and had a little success — ummm, what was the name . . . Republican or something like that . . .

What made him a fundraising juggernaut capable of taking down the Clinton machine was the small money he raised combined with his ability to peel off big donors and big party names from Billary. If Palin runs a true outsider campaign in 2012 and tries to win on the strength of the base alone, she risks being overwhelmed by Romney vacuuming up the big money from party chieftains. Which is to say, even an outsider needs “insiders.”

Which is the biggest reason that a third party may be called for — the “big money” is always going to attempt to draw its party toward the cultural center . . . which, in case no one’s noticed, is well to the left of conservatism. A grassroots movement of conservative Dems and Republicans may be the only chance that conservatism has left.

If Palin has ever read Hayek, Rand, Friedman, Kirk, Burke, Paine or Buckley, I’ll eat my hat.

Much less the Federalist Papers.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Did you vote for W? I know that I did — twice — but I’ll guaran-damn-well-tee you that he never read any of the authors on your list, either. Sometimes a leader is effective less because of what he or she knows and more because of what he or she is . . . Not to put too fine a point on it, but she can always hire people who read. And even if she hasn’t read Burke, Paine, Buckley, or the Federalist Papers — or Locke, Montesquieu, Tocqueville, Mather, Jonathan Edwards, Hobbes, Adam Smith, or Rousseau, for that matter — I trust her instincts. Far more than I did W’s, actually, but he benefited from the caliber of his enemies . . .

loneloc on July 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Bachmann stated straight out that many Democrats in the Congress are Socialists. Absolutely true. Palin never said anything that forceful.

Bachmann said she won’t answer intrusive questions on the census survey…and is taking flak from squishy Republicans in the House because of it…and she is absolutely unrepentant.

Bachmann runs in a closely-divided House district, but stands proudly by her principles under withering fire. Palin resigns.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

GTL,

Stop, you’re killin me. You have got to be kidding me. You are a Bachmann fan. My 2nd Sarah poster is signed by Bachmann. Two peas from the same pod.

Study up on Palin. Your view of her will totally change once you get the facts on her, the situation in Alaska, etc.

Quitter is the last thing that Sarah is.

She is the best fighter in the GOP right now. She’s MacArther of the GOP. Popular, cunning, principled, and feared by the DC insiders.

She is SSSSOOOO your gal.

Sapwolf on July 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM

She just turned out not to be the Sarah Palin I thought I knew, OK?

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Translation: ooooooh, that MSM slime job really hurt, and it’s sooooo uncool to defend Palin these days…

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Not saying I was turning cartwheels after her resignation, but I certainly understand her reasons

And I would have understood the reason that any of our Founding Fathers switched sides to the King after their houses were burned, their families were arrested and their crops were trampled.

But they didn’t quit.

She did.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

She just turned out not to be the Sarah Palin I thought I knew, OK?

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM

She’s the same woman she has always been. Give her a chance now that she is not hampered by being McCain’s running mate.

Sapwolf on July 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

There was only so much of that I could take. I was hoping for an actual discussion on Sarah, and instead what I saw was a bunch of commenters going after each other. It was like having The Wall back.

But hey, I’ll stay out of it next time.

/you know I love you, right, upinak?
//but only as a friend

Snowed In on July 13, 2009 at 7:33 PM

But they didn’t quit.

She did.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

OK, support someone else. Ignore Palin.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:33 PM

She did.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

No she didn’t.

If you believe that, then you believe all the politicians who resigned a position are quitters which is ridiculous.

Get the facts.

Sapwolf on July 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Translation: ooooooh, that MSM slime job really hurt, and it’s sooooo uncool to defend Palin these days…

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Oh, that’s right, I’m a bitch for the MSM.

No..she turned out to be a weak speaker, weak thinker, uninformed, not intellectually-disciplined. Anyone who can be bitch-slapped by Katie Couric isn’t ready for prime time.
She didn’t do her homework. Even her resignation speech was a rambling disaster.

There’s much to like about Sarah Palin. But she is, any many ways, a disappointment.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Did you vote for W?

I never voted for W. Not because I thought he was stupid. But because he was the son of his father, with that “compassionate conservative” bit.

I voted Libertarian both times.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Sapwolf on July 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Of course, though, if she had decided not to run for re-election and simply served out the first term, she still would’ve been a quitter. By gosh, Abe Lincoln didn’t do that!

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:36 PM

I’m 35 and have only ever voted for Republicans. However, if the Republican party puts up another RINO they will not get my vote. I never thought I’d say that, or type that. I realize that it may mean 4 more years of Obama, but I won’t vote for the lesser evil again. I’m done with the RINOS! I will only vote for solid conservatives.

txhsmom on July 13, 2009 at 7:37 PM

No she didn’t.

She didn’t resign? Michael Jackson isn’t dead?

Step away..from..the..Kool Aid.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:37 PM

dcwvu on July 13, 2009 at 5:31 PM

Feb through Today $ 933,000 Sarah Pac plus $250,000 Alaska Fund Trust. In less than 6 months.

Amadeus on July 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM

She didn’t resign? Michael Jackson isn’t dead?

Step away..from..the..Kool Aid.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Nah, we’ll keep the Kool Aid and you can keep voting Libertarian. Deal?

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM

haven’t heard a thing about Bachmann’s family, or anything about loads of phony ethics charges against her. Have you?

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM

So if someone says something degratory about my family and I just slink away because it hurts?

For males, there’s a term for that sort of cowardice…p888y.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:39 PM

She didn’t resign? Michael Jackson isn’t dead?

Step away..from..the..Kool Aid.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Nah, we’ll keep the Kool Aid and you can keep voting Libertarian. Deal?

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Fair enough. And if she is nominated on the GOP ticket, I’ll send her another $4,800, OK?

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM

And I would have understood the reason that any of our Founding Fathers switched sides to the King after their houses were burned, their families were arrested and their crops were trampled.

But they didn’t quit.

She did.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:31 PM

It still baffles me why people have such a hard time taking her own stated reason for resigning at face value: She wasn’t being allowed to do her job. It’s up to nineteen ethics investigations now — four more have been filed since she announced her intention to resign. OK, so she was a victim of her own ethics legislation — what else is she supposed to do now? She would cost the taxpayers of Alaska millions of dollars, and herself a million or two, if she hung in. Dragging the Founders into this is a false analogy; they could not have pursued their duty in any other way, while she will be far more effective now than she ever could be while being straitjacketed and bankrupted in Juneau. Given the circumstances, it would have been malfeasance for her to stay.

loneloc on July 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Fair enough. And if she is nominated on the GOP ticket, I’ll send her another $4,800, OK?

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM

That’s entirely up to you.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM

It still baffles me why people have such a hard time taking her own stated reason for resigning at face value: She wasn’t being allowed to do her job. It’s up to nineteen ethics investigations now — four more have been filed since she announced her intention to resign. OK, so she was a victim of her own ethics legislation — what else is she supposed to do now? She would cost the taxpayers of Alaska millions of dollars, and herself a million or two, if she hung in. Dragging the Founders into this is a false analogy; they could not have pursued their duty in any other way, while she will be far more effective now than she ever could be while being straitjacketed and bankrupted in Juneau. Given the circumstances, it would have been malfeasance for her to stay.

loneloc on July 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM

And you think if she gets to the WH, the left won’t do everything in their power to interfere with her ability to govern?

The reason I like Giuliani – and I lived in New York for 22 years – was that the Left had hold of every lever of city politics, the MSM hated him – and he just put his head down and made it happen. Oh, and they went after his family, too, by the way – he just shrugged it off and handed their asses to them.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM

So if someone says something degratory about my family and I just slink away because it hurts?

For males, there’s a term for that sort of cowardice…p888y.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:39 PM

It wasn’t primarily the attacks on her kids, but I’m sure it factored into the decision. Do you have kids? Particularly daughters?

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Palin resigns.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:26 PM

OK, so this is what you’re stuck on then.
Even with clearly stated reasons, you think this invalidates any future contribution she might make?

I asked you how you quantified guts and brains; you did answer back with a couple of points about Ms. Bachmann that would tend to support your argument that she has these, in some amount.

But, it doesn’t really mean she has “more” of these than Governor Palin.

However, now that I know you’re stuck on the fact of her resignation, and not the facts and circumstances that compelled her resignation, I’ll leave you to your hurt.

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM

The reason I like Giuliani – and I lived in New York for 22 years – was that the Left had hold of every lever of city politics, the MSM hated him – and he just put his head down and made it happen. Oh, and they went after his family, too, by the way – he just shrugged it off and handed their asses to them.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM

OK, campaign for Rudy. If there happens to be a Rudy thread here, I won’t be multi-posting in it trying to talk people out of voting for him because he’s pro-choice or whatever. I like him too.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:48 PM

It wasn’t primarily the attacks on her kids, but I’m sure it factored into the decision. Do you have kids? Particularly daughters?

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Yes…two daughters. And if I was in public life and they were attacked in as despicable a way as Palin’s daughters, I would absolutely relish the chance to get up to a microphone and destroy their attackers.

If I wasn’t in public life, I would do what I’m sure Todd Palin (good man) sorely wishes he were free to do.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:48 PM

OK, so this is what you’re stuck on then.
Even with clearly stated reasons, you think this invalidates any future contribution she might make?

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM

GTL was fairly anti-Palin before she resigned. The resignation just offers a clearer justification.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:49 PM

However, now that I know you’re stuck on the fact of her resignation, and not the facts and circumstances that compelled her resignation, I’ll leave you to your hurt.
massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM

No, we lost confidence in Palin long before her resignation. But the resignation sort of capped it, to be sure.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Yes…two daughters. And if I was in public life and they were attacked in as despicable a way as Palin’s daughters, I would absolutely relish the chance to get up to a microphone and destroy their attackers.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Reallllly? What microphone? How would Palin be able to “destroy”, say, Letterman without being shouted down as someone who’s just too petty and thin-skinned? She just voiced being offended by it, and was called exactly that.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:51 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Giuliani-I think you just lost fifty IQ points, Gun.
Good ‘ol Giuliani, yes he is a bastion of conservative thought…amnesty for illegal aliens, not a fan of the second amendment….Gun, that wouldn’t be so good for your gun toting.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 7:52 PM

GTL was fairly anti-Palin before she resigned. The resignation just offers a clearer justification.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:49 PM

There’s a difference between being “anti-Palin” (which I am not) and fearing that Palin will inevitably lose a presidential race because of the stupid prejudices of Dems and Independents (which I do).

That being said, unless I saw a clearly superior GOP candidate in the primaries, I would support Palin. And if Palin were the nominee, I would support her.

I just don’t think it’s wrong to voice my reservations regarding a person I believe to be a very flawed candidate. Hate me if you wish.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:53 PM

No, we lost confidence in Palin long before her resignation. But the resignation sort of capped it, to be sure.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM

The thing to do then is to ignore Palin entirely.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:53 PM

And you think if she gets to the WH, the left won’t do everything in their power to interfere with her ability to govern?

The reason I like Giuliani – and I lived in New York for 22 years – was that the Left had hold of every lever of city politics, the MSM hated him – and he just put his head down and made it happen. Oh, and they went after his family, too, by the way – he just shrugged it off and handed their asses to them.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Of course they will. And while I would never vote for Mayor Giuliani based on the life issue, I greatly admire his career in New York City. However, the circumstances are different: Governor Palin rather naively handed her opponents a loaded gun in that poorly-written ethics legislation. Mayor Giuliani didn’t have to overcome that sort of obstacle, and nothing like it exists at the federal level. I do think that if she’s going to press forward into national politics, she needs to carefully select a consigliere — in every sense of the word — to “have her back” vis-a-vis the Dems, the media, and, actually, the Republicans. In the meantime, I hope she’s learned her lesson regarding good intentions and the road to hell . . .

loneloc on July 13, 2009 at 7:54 PM

loneloc on July 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM

For those of you who watch old Westerns there is many a scene where the hero is pinned down by someone who has the high ground.

Watching these scenes unfold you know the first thought on your mind is that it’s you against them. There is no cavalry coming to bail you out. So you take stock of your situation and realize that you only have so many bullets left in your gun or ammunition in your holster.

You say to yourself if I make a run for it out in the open, that’s what they’re waiting for and they’ll shoot me. So I can’t do that. So what I have to do is to EXTRICATE myself from this situation while their attention is being distracted, or they no longer have a clear view of me (sun going down etc), or they don’t know that I have gone. Then the hero turns around and sees a cave and a way out, follows the passage and comes out on the other side and escapes.

Sarah Palin managed to find a way out, took the opportunity to follow the passage and found her way out.

Neither the western hero or Sarah Palin quit. All they did was to do what they had to do to survive.

technopeasant on July 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM

I just don’t think it’s wrong to voice my reservations regarding a person I believe to be a very flawed candidate. Hate me if you wish.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I don’t hate you, I just wonder why you say so much in a Palin thread when you think she’s fairly inconsequential.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM

I don’t hate you, I just wonder why you say so much in a Palin thread when you think she’s fairly inconsequential.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM

kinda like one of those people who like to hear himself speak.

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Are you actually worried that she might start a 3rd party?

Amadeus on July 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Giuliani-I think you just lost fifty IQ points, Gun.
Good ‘ol Giuliani, yes he is a bastion of conservative thought…amnesty for illegal aliens, not a fan of the second amendment….Gun, that wouldn’t be so good for your gun toting.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 7:52 PM

You didn’t live in NYC, I did. And you, like all the fanatic pro-lifers in the primaries, fail to understand that Giuliani absolutely could not have won the Mayor’s office in NYC without projecting moderate positions – the city is over 75% Dem, for heaven’s sake.

But once he was elected, he governed far to the right of a Bush on the issues that mattered. He was just smart enough to realize that there was nothing he could really do as Mayor on a lot of the hot-button issues so beloved to the Manhattan Left, so why scare them and lose the election? He had a real job to do…and he did it.

He is not against second amendment rights. I don’t know his current position on immigration reform, but I know that during the primaries, he was very vocal about enforcement first.

Before you denigrate someone’s intelligence (very classy), know what you’re talking about. Giuliani lowered the crime rate, cleaned up the city, cut welfare rolls by nearly 70%.

When Sarah Palin has a record of accomplishment comparable to his, I’ll certainly give her credit.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:59 PM

she needs to carefully select a consigliere — in every sense of the word — to “have her back” vis-a-vis the Dems, the media, and, actually, the Republicans. In the meantime, I hope she’s learned her lesson regarding good intentions and the road to hell . . .

loneloc on July 13, 2009 at 7:54 PM

Actually, I read this, and thought; what she really needs is a Luca Brasi, or an Albert Neri.

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM

What’s Sarah doing next?

People are pissed off that she didn’t brush up on the issues in the past few months..

Do you think the children had anything to do with that?

TimeTraveler on July 13, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Are you actually worried that she might start a 3rd party?

Amadeus on July 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I never considered that possibility. I certainly hope not, because that would almost certainly assure an Obama win.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:01 PM

kinda like one of those people who like to hear himself speak.

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Yeah, but not in CAPS. lol

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:03 PM

People are pissed off that she didn’t brush up on the issues in the past few months..

Do you think the children had anything to do with that?

TimeTraveler on July 13, 2009 at 8:01 PM

How didn’t she brush up? She has been kind of busy with the “Pipeline”… until she did the call of stepping down. It isn’t like she is doing a bunch of interviews right at the moment.

The Children? Not sure I follow.

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Third parties never win? Wasn’t the GOP a third party once?

It’s a long shot, but Palin might be able to pull it off.

jazz_piano on July 13, 2009 at 8:04 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Did I MENTION his pro-choice stance? No.
And, I’m too smart to live in NYC, thank you.
And, as far as illegal aliens, mccain was ALSO all for enforcement. Put that and a pile of dung in each hand and you have twins.
And, yes, I am one classy lady. Sarah is also a classy lady, so if you think she is done, why beat a dead horse. Go talk about obama’s dead teleprompter, RIP.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Actually, I read this, and thought; what she really needs is a Luca Brasi, or an Albert Neri.

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM

We’re simpatico, then — you’re right that she needs some enforcers, too. We need to leave Tom Hagen behind, though — she needs a wartime consigliere.

loneloc on July 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 8:04 PM

here is a pillow.. you are going to need it as you will be beating your head on the wall.

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM

The thing to do then is to ignore Palin entirely.

ddrintn on July 13, 2009 at 7:53 PM

That’s exactly the reasoning that says if I don’t believe in global warming, I should shut up, hmmm. And just let the rest of you who are so enlightened about Sarah ignore the warning signs.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM

And, I’m too smart to live in NYC, thank you.

Cute. But you’re probably right, there are no double-wides in Manhattan and they wouldn’t let you put your ’72 Chevy up on blocks.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM


if she starts a 3rd party she will not just get a large part of the conservative vote, 40%, but also a very large amount of independents, even the less conservative who love to see a 3rd party enter the stage.
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And if she doesn’t, it should be a clear sign to the republicans to start treating conservatives not as sure-voters-so-no-need-to-pay-attention. And democrats may also decide to swing the whole pendulum a bit back away from those extreme libs like Pelosi, Rahm and Obama.
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The goal is not to get a person or party elected. The goal is to get conservative values back on the table and give conservatives, the silent majority, a vote again.
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Palin with giving up her governership has just embodied that goal. We cannot vote until 2010 but we can support her by donation a bit more to sarahpac.org

mooseburger on July 13, 2009 at 8:08 PM

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM

By the way, you never responded to my answer to your question – which you so hotly demanded.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:08 PM

And just let the rest of you who are so enlightened about Sarah ignore the warning signs.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM

LOL. Better check out your own choices a bit first. Meanwhile, I’m fine with Sarah.

littleguy on July 13, 2009 at 8:08 PM

People are pissed off that she didn’t brush up on the issues in the past few months..

Do you think the children had anything to do with that?

TimeTraveler on July 13, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Who are these “People” that are pissed off, exactly?

I don’t recall seeing either a media commentator, or a poster on any thread, indicate they thought that Governor Palin had failed to, as you put it, “brush up on the issues.”

Throwing the comment about the children on the back end just makes you sound concerned/empathetic/caring, while you just put out the “Palin is uninformed” meme.

Lots of folks here contributing to a dialogue.
You – not so much.

massrighty on July 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM

I heard that Sarah is planning on working for Conservatives in both parties,if that works out,2012 could be a good time for a third party.It is apparent to me that the time has come for party reform,with both major parties imploding.A reallignment does appear in order.

DDT on July 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Greatest myth current about Sarah Palin:

PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF THAT SHE DIDN’T BRUSH UP ON THE ISSUES IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS

How does anybody know that? Does anybody have a pipeline into Sarah’s den or study or wherever she likes to read? And other than her family and aides does anybody really know how often Sarah reads and what she is reading at the present time?

Please stop believing the MSM and the trolls. Sarah keeps her card close to the vest. Don’t ASSUME that Sarah is not yet at the top of her game.

technopeasant on July 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM

I heard that Sarah is planning on working for Conservatives in both parties,

Name a conservative in the Dem party. Just one.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM

And just let the rest of you who are so enlightened about Sarah ignore the warning signs.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I’m a Sarah enthusiast but recognize that she’s got room to improve, esp. if she’s going to run for nat’l office.

Rudy has some great qualities, but couldn’t get any traction in the primaries. And his abortion stance is a deal-breaker for me.

But I respect your right to your opinion, and your right to express it here.

jazz_piano on July 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 8:04 PM
here is a pillow.. you are going to need it as you will be beating your head on the wall.

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Nah, I’ll just go work my farm on farm town and later, go throw the ball for the beast while I weed my real garden.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Nah, I’ll just go work my farm on farm town and later, go throw the ball for the beast while I weed my real garden.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 8:14 PM

HEY, i need some seed from down in Texas. Tex A&M peppers… is there any way you or someone you know can send them to me for next year?

Also.. my garden is HUGE!

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 8:16 PM

And, I’m too smart to live in NYC, thank you.
Cute. But you’re probably right, there are no double-wides in Manhattan and they wouldn’t let you put your ‘72 Chevy up on blocks.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Very nice, thank you for that particularly awful peek into your self. Some people can only afford a double wide and a seventy two Chevy, but they don’t live off the government cheese like your controlled rent, welfare rat types, popping out babies like a pez dispenser in NYC.
Class, gun. Class.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 8:16 PM

What issues does Sarah need to “brush up on”?She knows the one essential issue,that being, Whatever is right for America.Screw policy,the U.S. government needs only one priority,take care of America.Sarah and Liz would do that.

DDT on July 13, 2009 at 8:17 PM

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 8:03 PM

The stupid kids didn’t let her study when she came home from work.

Mommy, Can I have some milk!

Mommy, Piper is bothering me…

TimeTraveler on July 13, 2009 at 8:18 PM

I never considered that possibility. I certainly hope not, because that would almost certainly assure an Obama win.

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:01 PM

I dont believe for a second that she’s leaving the republican Party. I think she would like to reform it though.

Amadeus on July 13, 2009 at 8:18 PM

I’m a Sarah enthusiast but recognize that she’s got room to improve, esp. if she’s going to run for nat’l office.

Rudy has some great qualities, but couldn’t get any traction in the primaries. And his abortion stance is a deal-breaker for me.

But I respect your right to your opinion, and your right to express it here.

jazz_piano on July 13, 2009 at 8:13 PM

Gosh, sane, polite dialogue, for a change.

May I ask you something, though? Why should a presidential candidate even be required to have a stance on abortion?

Here’s my take on it: before Roe v. Wade, abortion was – rightly, in my opinion – a state’s rights issue.

To put the onus upon a presidential candidate regarding abortion is to hope that his SCOTUS appointments will overturn Roe v. Wade.

But…again, my opinion…if Roe v. Wade is overturned (and I hope it is, but purely from a state’s right point of view), almost every state in the union will still allow abortion.

So…what’s the point of making it a litmus test, when the President essentially has no power to effect a nation-wide ban on abortion?

guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:18 PM

The stupid kids didn’t let her study when she came home from work.

Mommy, Can I have some milk!

Mommy, Piper is bothering me…

TimeTraveler on July 13, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Are you high or drunk?

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Nah, I’ll just go work my farm on farm town and later, go throw the ball for the beast while I weed my real garden.

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 8:14 PM
HEY, i need some seed from down in Texas. Tex A&M peppers… is there any way you or someone you know can send them to me for next year?

Also.. my garden is HUGE!

upinak on July 13, 2009 at 8:16 PM

I’m actually currently transplanted to NM…but, I’ll look around for you….you might check with txag92. She’s a friend on FB, I’ll check with her for you.
I have a few volunteer squash plants, that are giving me more summer squash than I can eat. I’m sending it with my hubby to work…and I still have more. I’m planning to plant a fall garden too. I love not having to pay for tomatoes!

HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 8:19 PM

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