NYT: Blogosphere lags behind big media — except for Hot Air
posted at 8:52 pm on July 13, 2009 by Allahpundit
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I’m amused by (and grateful for) the virtual back slaps we got for this quickie name-check in the Times today, but I don’t think it’s saying what it seems to be saying.
For the most part, the traditional news outlets lead and the blogs follow, typically by 2.5 hours, according to a new computer analysis of news articles and commentary on the Web during the last three months of the 2008 presidential campaign…
The researchers’ data points to an evolving model of news media. While most news flowed from the traditional media to the blogs, the study found that 3.5 percent of story lines originated in the blogs and later made their way to traditional media. For example, when Mr. Obama said that the question of when life begins after conception was “above my pay grade,” the remark was first reported extensively in blogs.
And though the blogosphere as a whole lags behind, a relative handful of blog sites are the quickest to pick up on things that later gain wide attention on the Web, led by Hot Air and Talking Points Memo.
Are we really the quickest? Anecdotally, it seems that the boss beats us to stuff all the time, an advantage compounded by the fact that Ed and I often have posts queued up and are forced to delay new material out of respect for the other guy. Rather, I think this is more of a raw traffic metric: Both HA and TPM are big-traffic blogs, so when they finally get to a story, they have a bit more reach in pushing it out through the political blogosphere than anyone else. To put it another way, when would a heavily trafficked blog not “lead” the coverage a story gets on the political Web?
Exit question: Does “leading” the coverage mean we can raise a cool mil in venture capital like TPM? Sigh.
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Let’s see if Barret is impressed when he complains about how much the subway fare was getting there. SECKSAY!!!
I_C on July 13, 2009 at 9:45 PM
Glad you didn’t leave.
Esthier on July 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Where the hell did everyone just go?
Nice going 7%…. There are hitting the refresh button.
katy on July 13, 2009 at 9:46 PM
I wasn’t copying you … really.
progressoverpeace on July 13, 2009 at 9:47 PM
3…2…1…
WE`RE LIVE! WELCOME TO HOT AIR,THE WORLD`S FIRST,
FULL-SERVICE CONSERVATIVE NETWORK.TUNE OUT KATIE
COURIC AND TUNE…
APRIL 24,2006 at 4:15AM.
————————————————————
Hot Air was born,intertesting to note,the tune out of Katie
and turn-on to Hot Air!!!
Michelle Malkin seems to be a visionary,so to speak,and NYT
article on H/A seems to bare that out!!:)
canopfor on July 13, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Ed’s doing hugh Hewitt and Allah signed off his Twitter.
William Amos on July 13, 2009 at 9:48 PM
:O)
Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I received a solicitation from the NY Times with a postage-paid reply envelope. If I just send the envelope back, it will cost the Times about 60 cents. If I stuff it full of paper, it costs the Times over a dollar.
Just saying.
bw222 on July 13, 2009 at 9:50 PM
I miss Bryan. I remember when there were three and Ian worked here too. The Greenroom helps, but I often wish they’d bring on a third full time again. The different perspectives and styles added something to the site.
Esthier on July 13, 2009 at 9:52 PM
No prob, lol.
Great minds huh?
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 9:52 PM
You could always stuff it full of printed Hot Air articles.
Esthier on July 13, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Give me a break. A conservative blog could come out with 100% breaking news and no main stream media is going to pick it up, no matter what the content.
Now on the other hand, many conservative talking heads quote conservative blogs and stories all the time.
Vigilante on July 13, 2009 at 9:53 PM
What has this thread become???
:o)
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Indeed … but I would still rather be first :)
Though, I think your “Wow” was more appropriate.
progressoverpeace on July 13, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Notice the tacit assumption that only if a story makes it to the traditional media, is it validated as real news?!
The alternate, and correct, interpretation is that blogs uncover a whole lot of news that the traditional media won’t cover. And the reason they don’t cover it is that it doesn’t fit the story-line they are trying to sell to us all the time.
drunyan8315 on July 13, 2009 at 9:57 PM
There are more people reading about the NYT article here, then there are people reading about HotAir from the NYT.
katy on July 13, 2009 at 9:58 PM
I agree. Bryan would be proud of you all.
Jimmy Doolittle on July 13, 2009 at 9:59 PM
When you have Hot Air and Michelle Malkin being referenced by Rush, Sean Hannity, Mark Levine, Roger Hedgecock, and others on a regular basis ……..
……….. and the critiques by Ed, Allah, and the Green Room countering the MSM bias, then we know we have something special here.
This is Freedom people…….
……. the kind that the Founders could never imagine, but the kind that is fighting back against the tyranny that we are living under today.
Thank you to you all………
Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2009 at 10:00 PM
if AP got hitched, and HA reported on it, Wordpress would break
blatantblue on July 13, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Hehe
At first I thought is was just an average protester.
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 10:02 PM
if
APBB/cutlet got hitched, and HA reported on it, Wordpress would breakblatantblue on July 13, 2009 at 10:00 PM
:)
txag92 on July 13, 2009 at 10:02 PM
HOT AIR is my favorite blog. Curious considering I am not crazy about cats OR beta males?!
IKIDYOUNOT on July 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM
A space/time rift would open somewhere in the universe almost as big as the one that appeared when your sweetie Helen attacked the O’s press corp :P.
It’s fun messin’ with you blatantblue ^_~
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM
There are more people reading about the NYT article here,
katy on July 13,2009 at 9:58PM.
katy: Katy,thats what I was trying to say in my first post!
Well stated!:)
canopfor on July 13, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Me, too. This story sounds like it could have some legs. I hope one of the Senators uses that protest as the lead-in to some question about Roe v. Wade and federalism (adding something of what Ginsburg said about misunderstanding the ruling for the first 8 years).
progressoverpeace on July 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Lets have a contest:
Help AP impress his date.
We need a plausible cover identity / job.
Face it, liberal babes predominate in urban area. They are very bigoted against “conservative bloggers.” So what job title could we suggest to AP that would make him the go-to guy for Gunther-style adventure with the native urban population?
Suggestions?
NaCly dog on July 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM
We need a plausible cover identity / job.
Face it, liberal babes predominate in urban area. They are very bigoted against “conservative bloggers.” So what job title could we suggest to AP that would make him the go-to guy for Gunther-style adventure with the native urban population?
Suggestions?
NaCly dog on July 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Welfare recipient
txag92 on July 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM
If the NYT really wanted to increase revenues all they would have to do is rename it Hot Air Times. To bad it’s time for hoppes#9.
fourdeucer on July 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Actually I think it was Ed. But it’s a little fuzzy in my mind. I just remember how happy everyone was.
Weight of Glory on July 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
It’s HA’s gain. You’re a great commenter. Wish more were like you.
Pablo on July 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
A unionized/card checked auto worker?
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Maybe it’s the public ed. up there in the north country…/
;o)
katy on July 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM
It could. I think ameripundit should run this by Ed or AP to get some coverage here.
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Metropolitan Museum of Art — Head Curator
NYC Tolerance Center — Director of Operations
Five Borough Caesar Chavez Commission
blatantblue on July 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Could you imagine if it went from Hotair to the Senate Judiciary Committee? The NYT would blow a gasket!
progressoverpeace on July 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Suggestions?
NaCly dog on July 13,2009 at 10:08PM.
Nacly dog: A bitter non-clinger Bretrayed Obama Supporter!!
canopfor on July 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Well that creates a whole new fantasy, eh dorian?
Patrick S on July 13, 2009 at 10:17 PM
Put up a donate link guys … if TPM has one for their readers, I don’t see why HA shouldn’t?
zauriel on July 13, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Maybe its the public ed…
katy on July 13,2009 at 10:12PM.
katy: Tee-hee:)
canopfor on July 13, 2009 at 10:19 PM
I was going to comment that I thought we’re moving too quick in here with the news. Being old, I’m more used to driving in the blogs left lane with the directional stuck on, and going 35 in a 65
Jeff from WI on July 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Congrats Guys!!
Just make sure to lock your trash cans now. You know the NYT can turn on you just like that.
Brat4life on July 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
It was Ed, but the little turd of troll came back as “IgotMylifeback”. Haven’t seen the idiot lately though.
Knucklehead on July 13, 2009 at 10:20 PM
TPM has 60 people working at it. 60. Dude. That’s one serious propaganda machine.
BadgerHawk on July 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM
I didn’t know that. Hope he gets spotted and banned no matter what form he takes.
Weight of Glory on July 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM
That was you?
progressoverpeace on July 13, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Allahpundit the beta female????
doriangrey on July 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Eh. Dumb joke. Sorry, Jeff.
From your comments, I had you pegged much younger.
progressoverpeace on July 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Exactly. After all they said we our fast at dishing out the latest.
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Well you certainly know it wasn’t me, I drive a Corvette, usually at around 90mph in a 35mph zone backwards on the sidewalk… :P
doriangrey on July 13, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Outside of Sarah Palin news, HotAir is pretty fast.
For the Cuda, you can’t beat C4P.
Sapwolf on July 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM
It wasn’t too long ago when 50,000 hits was a good day for Hot Air. Looking at your sitemeter now, you’re averaging around 600,000 hits a day. You sold out man*!
*j/k
clearbluesky on July 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM
That was you?
katy on July 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Errr, let me check with my lawyer before I respond to that…
doriangrey on July 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Heh.
progressoverpeace on July 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM
HEY… If you dont like the way I drive…. STAY OFF THE SIDEWALK… ;P
doriangrey on July 13, 2009 at 10:35 PM
some blogs might scoop now and then, but HA is consistently bleeding edge — best Iran coverage on the net. Take a bow, gents (and ladies).
John the Libertarian on July 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Congratulations to Allah, Ed and Michelle.
TPM is getting money because the left is ascendant now. Who, in their wildest dreams, would believe that ideas that were completely discredited in the 20th century would be so popular now? But we know that can’t last. Hot Air will have its day.
chris999 on July 13, 2009 at 10:39 PM
I’ve lived in Israel, where they really do drive on the sidewalks. And they’re worse drivers than you could ever hope to be, even going backwards. I’ll take my chances with you :)
progressoverpeace on July 13, 2009 at 10:43 PM
I guess all those links to the NY Times have finally paid off.
JohnJ on July 13, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Who knew playing in the gutter could be sooo profitable???
doriangrey on July 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM
I guess 161 posts is the limit for this thread.
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Not in public , I hope. There are laws against that sort of thing.
Sidewalk = My passing lane
Pedestrians = Crunchies
Hard Right on July 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Well it is a Monday night and Sarah Palin isn’t the topic of this thread so 163 or 4 aint too bad…
doriangrey on July 13, 2009 at 11:04 PM
guess not. Though this thread had potential to go to the 200+’s
FontanaConservative on July 13, 2009 at 11:09 PM
It did, right up until AP posted a Sarah Palin thread… :P
doriangrey on July 13, 2009 at 11:14 PM
he is posting as simplesimon these days
runner on July 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Thank you, sincerely. The feeling is mutual, though I don’t see you posting as often as you should.
Esthier on July 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM
As I said before: They forgot the Astute Bloggers. They scoop Hotair a lot.
Tim Burton on July 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM
A flaming stick hanging over the news directors keeping them from burying stories they don’t like, and very little cut and paste here except for reference. Congrats.
Reality Check on July 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM
oh, and great work there Ed/Allahpundit
runner on July 13, 2009 at 11:18 PM
I’m so happy to see the tpm scumbag going public with his success(although there was always some backing there)…time to start on the lawsuits to keep him busy…
DCJeff on July 13, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Nice hat tip, congrats.
Hot Air is a must-read daily.
PattyJ on July 13, 2009 at 11:26 PM
That is DUDE worthy in my opinion. And if that is you AP, well, I am just speechless on a few different levels.
I almost thought it was a Beastie Boys joke video.
Geronimo on July 13, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Now THAT, is funny.
Could that be Piven-esquse with a mullet?
juanito on July 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
While I’m sure posted this topic for some back slapping, I just want to contribute a bit. I’m a liberatrian and read A LOT of site, from rawstory to huffpo, to drudge, to well you get the idea…this is, by FAR one of the best models for a sit that I’ve seen. There’s a reason you got mentioned, the site IS that good. and it’s better than Michelle’s which isn’t as collaborative and inclusive as this one. AP and ED add their own flavor to it but it doesn’t feel like a partisan site, it feels informative with a classical liberal bent (ed’s more religious) but it resonanates with a lot of people, a lot of republicans, a lot of small government followers, and a lot of voters. If the rep party was smart, it’d tap into networking, sites like this, have facebook tapped into these articles and sending out feeders though such sites.
Sadly, they’re working with failed robocalls and old voters lists for donations. They don’t even realize what Ron Paul accomplished for fund raising, where he resonanated and how to ‘tap that’. They called him a ‘kook’ and lamblasted him for his anti Iraq war stance. You tap the libertarian group before the democrats do and you got a big chance. They can’t stop spending right now, so it’s not THAT HARD. You just need to keep the evangalicals at an arms length to do it.
Joek7132 on July 13, 2009 at 11:39 PM
AP- for those who want to mooch off your traffic strength, “hotayers.com” is a still-available domain name.
Don’t tell Bill.
profitsbeard on July 13, 2009 at 11:46 PM
AP,
I think the point is that many blogs simply reheat and serve whatever the MSM is cooking. They’re followers. You guys actually post stuff a day or more before the MSM gets to it.
Don’t sell yourself short. You guys do a great job. You deserve to take a bow once in a while.
John on July 14, 2009 at 1:08 AM
Hot Air is a must-read for me for quite a time now. I get the news, I get informed and once in a while, I get to post my comment like now.
Aside from news, information, worthy insights and critical analysis by Ed and Allah, HA also provides me with laughter and, before getalife was banned, plenty of #@$%&*@ moments. The laughter is from witty HA commenters and I thank you very much.
HA is a great read, us regulars know that, and I am pleased that NYT has mentioned that.
Thanks, Ed and Allah for a job well done.
mz.josephine on July 14, 2009 at 1:42 AM
HA is worthless unless it drives a movement. Tea Parties ain’t gonna cut it. The site must be electorally-oriented as well with links to strategies and campaigns. The only site that does it is the sad assimilated The Next Right. But a spin-off this site focus on electing conservatives, and defeating the Left should be a priority.
/whhargarbl :)
Apologetic California on July 14, 2009 at 1:50 AM
Too funny.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 14, 2009 at 2:30 AM
Its George Bush’s fault, hiM and his evil vice president
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, I CHECK HOT AIR FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, I AM OUT TO SEA ON THE INTERNET VIA SATTLITE, VERY SLOW
Conservativesailor on July 14, 2009 at 2:45 AM
the news you put up top is reason. Great work keeping ahead of news. I can see that. hopeful what we say is good representation of a better way and not offend any one if possible.
Ed Laskie on July 14, 2009 at 4:50 AM
I love you guys at Hot Air, but you lag behind Free Republic by about an hour.
The power of FR is that it aggregates news. By having a lot of posters putting up stories from a wide variety of sites, a FReeper can stay up-to-date on a hundred news sources by reading one blog. FReepers from Japan, Australia, India and Europe routinely post from their local media when stories break in their local time, which means you can pick up morning news from the Hindustan Times at 11 PM EST or Le Monde at 3:00 AM.
Only a few stories originate from Free Republic (the Dan Rather TANG forgeries come to mind), but if you want to monitor the world from one site, you could do a lot worse.
gridlock2 on July 14, 2009 at 4:51 AM
coldwarror is a great resource and others help say what many think. I think its better people are free to say what they want but others must not show then selfs because how hateful and demented that they will come after you. WE will hear them and not Try to control or hurt them. Why are they like that? So we must take car our self and not to do more harm than good.
Ed Laskie on July 14, 2009 at 4:56 AM
What does TPM do with a million dollars in venture capital?
What does the investor expect to get in return?
Lehosh on July 14, 2009 at 6:11 AM
Kudos!
Indeed Allah is all knowing and all wise! ;-)
Mike OMalley on July 14, 2009 at 7:12 AM
ot to sea…..
Consevativesailor on July 14,2009 at 2:45AM.
Conservativesailor: Welcome aboard the U.S.S Hot Air!
Now,you are truly sailing,by water
and the net!!:)
canopfor on July 14, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Heh.I can’t keep up with one thread. But I do have a brain disorder. (true)
davidk on July 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM
When discussing SPEED on a blog, remember:
When you were racing other blogs, the tires were twice as wide -
– and the blog weighed half as much. Now it’s the opposite.
You’re burning them up. They melt and get greasy.
You slip and slide and you’re out of control.
Jeff from WI on July 14, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Congrats Allah, Ed, & Michelle…This is my favorite site to sit and peruse ever day
+1
And might I suggest the good Doctor Zero for that position ?
Son of Sam Kinison on July 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM
or anyone of the other Green Room contributors
Son of Sam Kinison on July 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM
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