Iranian cleric declares fatwa against Iranian regime

posted at 9:28 am on July 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Last month, Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri called the Iranian elections “illegitimate” and advised the security forces not to “sell” their religion to a regime producing results that “no one in their right mind” would believe.  Montazeri, who at one time had been considered the successor to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini instead of current Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, has made his position even more clear.  On his website, Montazeri has issued a fatwa against the regime that instructs faithful Muslims to oppose its authority (via TMV):

“A regime that uses clubs, oppression, aggression against [the people's] rights, injustice, rigged elections, murder, arrests, and medieval or Stalin-era torture, [a regime that] gags and censors the press, obstructs the media, imprisons intellectuals and elected leaders on false allegations or forced confessions… – [such a regime] is despicable and has no religious merit…

“The proud people of Iran know very well exactly how authentic [the detainees'] confessions are; they are like [confessions obtained] by fascist and communist regimes. The nation knows that the false confessions and televised interviews were obtained from its imprisoned sons with threats and torture, and that their aim is to cover up the oppression and injustice, and to [present a] distorted [image] of the people’s peaceful and legal protest…

Query: “What is the ruling regarding holders of government positions, whom shari’a law requires to act justly, honestly, and wisely… if they [do not fulfill] these requirements to any degree, but behave in a manner diametrically opposed to them?”

Reply: “If none of the requirements mentioned in this query are met, this automatically, and without any need for impeachment, brings about the de facto collapse of the velayat [the 'jurisprudent,' meaning Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei] and of the government that is in charge of administering social affairs [i.e. the government of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] – and renders null and void all decrees issued by those who hold government positions…

“In the event of a breach of any article of the contract between the two sides – namely [the contract] between the position holder and the people, who appointed him – the people may remove the position holder from his post.”

Don’t expect to hear much more from Montazeri.  Khamenei has tolerated the elder cleric, occasionally placing him under house arrest for much less serious affronts than this to the authority of the Guardian Council and Khamenei himself.  Montazeri’s fatwa is an explicit call for revolution, and that will undoubtedly result in drastic action against Montazeri.

However, they have more problems that just an old cleric from the original revolution calling for an encore.  One of the more conservative candidates on the ballot, Mohsen Rezai, has called for protests to continue in Iran against Ahmadinejad and Khamenei, and warns that the country will face “disintegration” if the regime refuses to respond properly:

In an implicit rebuke to Iran’s ruling elite, a conservative presidential candidate warned Sunday that the political and social rifts opened by the disputed June 12 vote and subsequent crackdown could lead to the nation’s “disintegration” if they were not resolved soon.

The candidate, Mohsen Rezai, made his warning in a long statement about the election and its bloody aftermath, in which he called for reconciliation and spoke about the danger of “imprisoning” the legacy of the Islamic Revolution in divisive and shortsighted politics. The statement was posted on his Web site.

Although his message was largely nonpartisan, Mr. Rezai hinted that the government response after the election had been unfair, and he urged protesters to continue their work in legal and nonviolent channels.

Like the three other opposition candidates, Mr. Rezai, a former chief of the elite Revolutionary Guards, initially said he believed that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s landslide victory involved ballot-rigging. Mr. Rezai later withdrew his legal challenge to the results, citing the need for unity.

In other words, the protests in Iran won’t be ending any time soon.  If the regime insists on using force to retain power, they will lose more of the clergy than just Montazeri.  At some point, that will render them illegitimate enough that even the Revolutionary Guard will start looking for exit strategies.

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Khamenei is supposedly dying of cancer and is sometimes heavily sedated with painkillers. It is suspected that some of his “statements” are actually issued by his son. When he goes, the power struggle could get even more complicated.

But they’ll keep working on nukes, and Obama will keep appeasing them.

Wethal on July 13, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Quick – send Jimmy Carter to Iran to validate the election! That will solve everything!

Vic on July 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Watch Sistani.

Mr. D on July 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM

From the point of view of the anti-regime clerics this is a religious dispute about how best to govern a pure Islamic republic.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 9:34 AM

while normally opposed to them, in this case, I think a fatwa is a good idea.

Vashta.Nerada on July 13, 2009 at 9:34 AM

This would be going faster if President Summit would allow us to meddle.

myrenovations on July 13, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Watch Sistani.

Why? He’s not going to cross the border into Iran.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Why is Montazeri interfering with Obama’s negotation/appeasement/apology tour?

Doesn’t he know that Bambi wants a photo-op?

Doesn’t he know that it’s all about Barry?

The Iranian people just need to shut up and get in line. The State Department is coming to town.

NoDonkey on July 13, 2009 at 9:36 AM

President Ogabe of the United States has offered a full Marine Expeditionary Unit to Iran for use in quashing the illegal street protests.

Bishop on July 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM

When the current regime is overthrown, they will fly to Cuba to meet with Castro, Chavez, Clinton and Zelaya. I’m sure you can guess what comes next.

Thunderstorm129 on July 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Irony: When 72 virgins don’t matter anymore, you find your balls.

JiangxiDad on July 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri has clout. He has credentials, a direct link to the deceased Grand Ayatollah Khomenei. He was one of the “originals” who deposed the Shah. He also has a strong following within the Shi’a community.

Maybe we should “meddle.” Sub rosa, of course.

coldwarrior on July 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Watch Sistani.

Why? He’s not going to cross the border into Iran.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 9:34 AM

There are plenty of Shi’a outside Iran too. Sistani can challenge Khameinei/Iran as voice of Shi’a leadership. Not saying what he will do if anything, but he’s a very imp. voice.

JiangxiDad on July 13, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Don’t expect to hear much more from Montazeri. Khamenei has tolerated the elder cleric, occasionally placing him under house arrest for much less serious affronts than this to the authority of the Guardian Council and Khamenei himself. Montazeri’s fatwa is an explicit call for revolution, and that will undoubtedly result in drastic action against Montazeri.

Question: When a cleric like this issues a fatwa, isn’t it supposed to be binding to all Muslims, including other clerics, and the likes of the Guardian Council?

Do fatwas ever become null and void, so to speak, by other mullah’s? Never quite fully understood that.

JetBoy on July 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Does anyone know if what has happened in Iran over the last two months was on anyone’s radar? Was there any web site or news source that was predicting this, or is this one of life’s true surprises?

Weight of Glory on July 13, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Funny, he doesn’t look like a British/US agent.

Montazeri’s website is down. I wonder if that’s the due to the regime, or just the traffic.

Pablo on July 13, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Maybe we should “meddle.” Sub rosa, of course.

coldwarrior on July 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Just asked 3 WH corres. to ques. Gibbs on this. As usual, there’s also the domestic US political issue. Assuming O will get this wrong (inadvertently or not), it should be used against him.

Montazeris is giving Obama COVER TO MEDDLE. So now O needs to be pressed publicly on his views.

JiangxiDad on July 13, 2009 at 9:45 AM

When the current regime is overthrown, they will fly to Cuba to meet with Castro, Chavez, Clinton and Zelaya. I’m sure you can guess what comes next.
Thunderstorm129 on July 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Ogabe offers to give them California?

Bishop on July 13, 2009 at 9:45 AM

It’s a shame that our media found Michael Jackson more important than what is going on in Iran.

mizflame98 on July 13, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Reminds me of the bugs in Quatermass And The Pit.

OldEnglish on July 13, 2009 at 9:46 AM

They all cited Obama’s Cairo speech as authority.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on July 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM

It looks like Obama will have to embark on another Middle East trip to continue his trashing of the American Satan and further appease his Muslim terrorist buddies. In case Obama hasn’t noticed, his pandering, appeasement and demeaning apologetic tripe isn’t working.

rplat on July 13, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Do fatwas ever become null and void, so to speak, by other mullah’s? Never quite fully understood that.
JetBoy on July 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM

My limited understanding is that fatwa’s can only be rescinded by the mullah who issued them, although fatwa’s can be superseded by new and better fatwa’s.

Rushdie once asked to have the fatwa against his life rescinded and was basically told that since Khomeini was dead, the fatwa against Rushdie would always be in force.

Bishop on July 13, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Bishop on July 13, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Ahh, OK. Just seems that Islam is rather strict, to say the least. Still don’t get how Montazeri could, possibly, be placed under house arrest for issuing a fatwa against the ruling mullaha’s decisions, when all Muslims…as far as I know…have to respect a fatwa.

JetBoy on July 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Wonder how many anti-Khamenei scientists are working in the “atomic” industry in Iran.
Industrial sabotage, anyone?

albill on July 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM

President Ogabe of the United States has offered a full Marine Expeditionary Unit to Iran for use in quashing the illegal street protests.

Bishop on July 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Hey,don’t give that piece of er ah..Presidential material any ideas.

Jeff from WI on July 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Irans election is Bush’ fault says Joe Biden

Jeff from WI on July 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM

JetBoy on July 13, 2009 at 9:56 AM

It’s not like the Cath. church. There’s no Pope. There are competing authorities, as in Judaism. Frankly, that’s why there are Shi’a and Sunni. (same as Protestants and Catholics)

JiangxiDad on July 13, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Why our Founding Fathers were so wise: Separation of Church and State and the 2nd Amendment, otherwise you end up with this outcome.

Bob in VA on July 13, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Why? He’s not going to cross the border into Iran.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Looks like it’s at kind of a tipping point. Is sectarianism or nationalism driving the train. One doesn’t respect country borders and the other does. I think the younger age groups fall more into the nationalism group.

a capella on July 13, 2009 at 10:07 AM

These people will never be able to form a free and democratic state so long as the psychotic death cult from the 7th century invented by a pedophile warlord-Islam remains dominant.

They have no concept of how a civil society ought to be run. Their only hope is a revolution from within by secularists/christians/humanists or external intervention by the West or some combination.

Personally I’m of the view that it is the duty of free nations to eliminate tyranny and evil anywhere in the world. We shouldn’t be spectators in life-we as a nation should work to spread freedom and democracy.

thinkagain on July 13, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Is the Jackson Funeral still going, because I can’t find this story on any of the major news sources. I checked CNN, MSNBC, FOX, AP, Guardian, Telegraph, even the Drudge Report. This is huge! But none of the news sources are running this? This is striking me as exceptionaly odd.Can any one confirm this out side of the Memri.org? I’ve only found blog entries.

BigRichardSmall on July 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Why? He’s not going to cross the border into Iran.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 9:34 AM

He doesn’t have to. He has enormous influence in the Shia world and if were to side with Montazeri, it would isolate the regime even more and undercut any claims they have to legitimacy.

Mr. D on July 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM

It’s a shame that our media found Michael Jackson more important than what is going on in Iran.

mizflame98 on July 13, 2009 at 9:46 AM

lol…here you go :]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVACUjHn6yU

bluelightbrigade on July 13, 2009 at 10:16 AM

We need a fatwa against Obama about how he is destroying America.

Ed Laskie on July 13, 2009 at 10:20 AM

It’s not like the Cath. church. There’s no Pope. There are competing authorities, as in Judaism. Frankly, that’s why there are Shi’a and Sunni. (same as Protestants and Catholics)

JiangxiDad on July 13, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Makes sense…

JetBoy on July 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM

When it comes to Iran, I’m with the side that recognizes Israel’s right to exist. Um, that would be NONE of them.

Mojave Mark on July 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Personally I’m of the view that it is the duty of free nations to eliminate tyranny and evil anywhere in the world. We shouldn’t be spectators in life-we as a nation should work to spread freedom and democracy.

You’ve got to be kidding. That’s impossible. As Plato explains in The Republic democracies at their most advanced stage degenerate into tyrannies. We can see that happening now with Obama’s America and the European Union.

For all free nations to exert themselves until the end of time in trying establish democracy in foreign clime would be as laborious as trying to spread Communism all over the world.

It’s no coincidence that most neoconservative intellectuals are former Trotskyists. They’ve turned the U.S. into their own personal Comintern.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM

“In the event of a breach of any article of the contract between the two sides – namely [the contract] between the position holder and the people, who appointed him – the people may remove the position holder from his post.”

This doesn’t sound the same, but it’s a pretty strong declaration of the natural rights of man. Montazeri is basically saying that government operates only through the consent of the governed, and that a government who breaches the social contract is illegetimate.

So much for the whole “Arabs are incapable of grasping liberty” theory.

Would that our American legislators displayed a similar understanding of our God-given rights.

hawksruleva on July 13, 2009 at 10:31 AM

You’ve got to be kidding. That’s impossible. As Plato explains in The Republic democracies at their most advanced stage degenerate into tyrannies. We can see that happening now with Obama’s America and the European Union.

For all free nations to exert themselves until the end of time in trying establish democracy in foreign clime would be as laborious as trying to spread Communism all over the world.

Why does your second paragraph necessarily follow the first? Perhaps the exhaustion of democracy in mature societies requires that some new place be fertile ground for it. England passes the torch of W. civ to US. We better pass it to somebody before we succumb.

JiangxiDad on July 13, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Watch Sistani.

Mr. D on July 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Bingo! This is dead on, he is the most venerated figure in Shi’ia Islam. He is Iranian and an alumni outta Qom.

How Iran plays out will have ramifications throughout the region, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria & Gaza. Sistani’s creds carry weight and have affect in all.

Archimedes on July 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM

It’s no coincidence that most neoconservative intellectuals are former Trotskyists. They’ve turned the U.S. into their own personal Comintern.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Like who?

hawksruleva on July 13, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Is the Jackson Funeral still going, because I can’t find this story on any of the major news sources. I checked CNN, MSNBC, FOX, AP, Guardian, Telegraph, even the Drudge Report. This is huge! But none of the news sources are running this? This is striking me as exceptionaly odd.Can any one confirm this out side of the Memri.org? I’ve only found blog entries.

BigRichardSmall on July 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM

Figures! Our Ace reporters in the MSM are doing a bang-up job again! these tool have been asleep at the switch for over 2yrs now.

Archimedes on July 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM

no religious merit…

That block of text is the pin coming out of an atomic grenade. Pretty much he just described every muslim theocracy. Thats how they rule.

The consequences of this fatwa may be far greater than anyone suspects.

dogsoldier on July 13, 2009 at 10:47 AM

I think Iran is in what bikers call, “a high speed wobble” !

Its too wonderful.

patrick neid on July 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Why does your second paragraph necessarily follow the first?

JD,

thinkagain said “that it is the duty of free nations to eliminate tyranny and evil anywhere in the world.” [emphasis added] That is hardly possible. Islam by itself is a permanent bulwark against a global democratic utopia.

Perhaps the exhaustion of democracy in mature societies requires that some new place be fertile ground for it.

Yes, I suppose so.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Maybe we should “meddle.” Sub rosa, of course.

coldwarrior on July 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Isn’t it… interesting… that for years the Bush admin had millions of dollars a year going to promote Democracy in Iran… mainly used for pro American media…

and Bambi cut that this year…

And now, when it could really do some good, its not in place?

Romeo13 on July 13, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Like who?

Well I don’t keep a list or anything but off the top of my head: Irving Kristol, Gertrude Himmelfarb and Christopher Hitchens. If we were to generalise and say former liberal/leftist then basically all of them. Admittedly ome neoconservatives are former Cold War liberals in the Truman/JFK vein.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Figures! Our Ace reporters in the MSM are doing a bang-up job again! these tool have been asleep at the switch for over 2yrs now.

This is what’s getting me. You would think Andrew Breitbart would have something up on Drudge about this. By sheer odds, someone should have something. So far, I have only found three websites, all blogs, that mention this.I would like conformation from some other site, preferably a news orginization. I pray this is correct, but since I don’t read Farsi, I am still skeptical.

BigRichardSmall on July 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Don’t expect to hear much more from Montazeri.

Will no one rid me of this troublesome cleric?

I R A Darth Aggie on July 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM

What I don’t see is any figure likely to deliver a new regime that wouldn’t also be a theocracy…seems to me this is a sectarian/clan thing, as the mullahs are also aligned with the various moneymen who own everything. It’s as if Tony Soprano was also the Pope…or, better, just think of the Borgias.
I fear the likes of Neda will be waiting a long time. Hope I’m wrong.

Fortunata on July 13, 2009 at 12:02 PM

How much weight to fatwas really carry with the people? If one Ayatollah writes a fatwa, and another writes an opposing fatwa, what happens? What do ordinary Muslims do in such a situation?

Steve Z on July 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM

You’ve got to be kidding. That’s impossible. As Plato explains in The Republic democracies at their most advanced stage degenerate into tyrannies. We can see that happening now with Obama’s America and the European Union.

Your statement is wrong on a number of accounts:

1)Despite Obama, America is still far from being a tyrannical state
2)There’s safeguards in the Constitution to prevent that
3)Current democracies have been free/successful for a long time
4)The EU will like dissolve or be limited to economic trade
5)Democracies destroyed fascism/communism in many countries
6)Democracies offer the greatest individual freedom/prosperity
7)Plato’s Republic is a dry, boring read and his views outdated. lol

For all free nations to exert themselves until the end of time in trying establish democracy in foreign clime would be as laborious as trying to spread Communism all over the world.

This ignores the fact that most people want freedom and to live in a democracy. The US/West is the envy of much of the world. People living in countries ruled by dictatorships or fascist regimes (as in Islamic or communist nations) simply need assistance from us to establishing democracy and they’ll do the rest of the work.

That assistance could include military help to overthrow their illegitimate thug regimes and also provide resources/intelligence to help them establish their democratic institutions. Something akin to Iraq today, but we should’ve went further and abolished theocratic rule (which will inevitably cause Iraq to degenerate into tyranny again).

So this does not require massive cost and effort on our part to spread democracy across the globe. All we need is the confidence to know our socioeconomic system is superior and find partners in other nations to help them democratize their nation.

It’s no coincidence that most neoconservative intellectuals are former Trotskyists. They’ve turned the U.S. into their own personal Comintern.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM

That’s a baseless claim not worthy of being taken seriously. I’ll leave you with this quote:

‘Dictatorship nations are outlaws. Any free nation had the right to invade Nazi Germany and, today, has the right to invade Soviet Russia, Cuba or any other slave pen. Whether a free nation chooses to do so or not is a matter of its own self-interest, not of respect for the non-existent of gang rulers. It is not a free nation’s duty to liberate other nations at the price of self-sacrifice, but a free nation has the right to do it, when and if it so chooses.’ -Ayn Rand

thinkagain on July 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM

thinkagain on July 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Correcting a line from Ayn Rand’s quote, which should’ve read:

“Whether a free nation chooses to do so or not is a matter of its own self-interest, not of respect for the non-existent “rights” of gang rulers.”

thinkagain on July 13, 2009 at 1:32 PM

thinkagain,

1)Despite Obama, America is still far from being a tyrannical state
2)There’s safeguards in the Constitution to prevent that

For now.

4)The EU will like dissolve or be limited to economic trade

There’s no reason to believe that. Why do you? If the Lisbon Treaty passes next October (and it likely will) the EU will have even more power over its 27 members.

7)Plato’s Republic is a dry, boring read and his views outdated.

It’s not outdated. On the contrary, his description of democratic man and democratic society in Book VIII reads like a description of modern liberal society. I’m surprised anyone would call Plato dry and boring considering how insightful he is.

This ignores the fact that most people want freedom and to live in a democracy.

It’s not a fact and you can’t possibly know that it is. Communists have won elections in South Africa, Nepal and Nicaragua. Muslims are commanded by their religion to adopt Mohammed’s political system, sharia. Read the Constitution of Iraq.

People living in countries ruled by dictatorships or fascist regimes (as in Islamic or communist nations) simply need assistance from us to establishing democracy and they’ll do the rest of the work.

Some peoples maybe, not all.

That’s a baseless claim not worthy of being taken seriously.

You yourself espoused a desire for a global revolutionary policy of spreading freedom and democracy where tyranny exists anywhere in the world. Irving Kristol has been called the godfather of neoconservatism and is an ex-Trotskyist by his own admission.

aengus on July 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Umm still no word of this from any news source. But hey! I do know who Jon Gosselin may be taking out on a date this weekend (Thank You CNN!!)

“It’s 3:30 pm Eastern Standard Time. Do you know where your jounalist are?”

BigRichardSmall on July 13, 2009 at 3:36 PM

LOL, I don’t understand why Khamenei doesn’t just go ahead and “certify” that Mousavi won. It’s not like the President has too much power that he can’t be controlled by the IRGC and the Supreme Leader – as Rafsanjani and Khatami were.

HondaV65 on July 13, 2009 at 5:10 PM