Green Choice fails in Austin
posted at 6:45 pm on July 13, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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At the turn of the century, Austin positioned itself to be the “green energy” capital of the world by creating a program that would allow utility consumers to choose their energy source. Called GreenChoice, Austin Energy bought electricity from wind farms as a means to allow their customers the option of supporting alternative energy and to promote development of other green resources. Nine years later, no one’s buying — because the wind farms are far more expensive and less able to keep up with demand:
For the past decade, Austin’s ambition to become the world’s clean-energy capital has been best exemplified by one effort: GreenChoice, a program that sells electricity generated entirely from renewable sources such as wind.
Now the nationally renowned program is struggling to find buyers — the latest allotment is 99 percent unsold after seven months on the market — and Austin Energy is looking for ways to bring down the rising costs. …
Although it generally cost a little more than standard electricity, a GreenChoice contract guaranteed a price would not change for a decade. Because of that promise, there were times when coal, oil and natural gas prices spiked and made them more expensive than GreenChoice.
“Customers got a 10-year fixed cost — that’s why it sold out,” Clark said. “It was designed to be a value proposition to customers, instead of just asking them to pay more to be environmentally friendly.”
But lately, customers haven’t been sold on that proposition.
While previous offerings took about half a year to sell out, the current one has attracted only 104 homes and five businesses — leaving about 99 percent of its power unpurchased, according to Austin Energy.
The reason is that GreenChoice prices have risen more than fivefold since the program started. GreenChoice now would add about $58 a month to the electricity bill of an average home.
Part of the problem, GreenChoice execs say, is the lack of transmission capacity from West Texas to Austin. The state plans to spend over $6 billion adding capacity to the transmission, which Austin Energy says will lower the price to the consumer, although they admit, not dramatically. They also fail to mention that the same people who will pay more for wind-generating electricity also have to pay the $6 billion bill, along with the rest of Texas.
Why did wind power become more expensive? The increase in demand from those ten-year, fixed-price contracts outstripped the wind farms’ ability to produce electricity. The imbalance caused prices to hike, as well as an increase in materials for the windmills themselves, and wind farm production already costs more than traditional electricity. Now that the contracts are about to expire, GreenChoice has to recalculate the prices to cover the cost increases — and pass them along to the consumers. Not surprisingly, in a recession, the consumers — primarily businesses — don’t want to incur additional expenses.
The best part about GreenChoice was its voluntary nature. Austin Energy gave its consumers a choice between traditional and alternative energy sources, and the market has delivered its verdict. If Barack Obama’s cap-and-trade scheme passes Congress, those choices will no longer be voluntary, and the costs of energy will “skyrocket” in a similar manner.
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Supply, meet demand.
BacaDog on July 13, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Epic crack…
RalphyBoy on July 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Hey great idea, but what happens when the wind isn’t blowing?
perroviejo on July 13, 2009 at 6:52 PM
The wind energy we inherited was worse off than we thought.
- Joe Biden
regal on July 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Say it isn’t so. Keep Austin weird, uh, stupid.
HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Clearly you’ve nevered lived in the Southwest.
regal on July 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Now has anyone ever thought of going for gas, oil, or the dreaded atoms here in our Republic? WE got it, We can do it, and We don’t have to have ge get trillions. I realize my tiny few brain cells got this figured out.
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letget on July 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Maybe we should put some windmills around DC. Energy for everyone!
HoustonRight on July 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM
Yup, in Okie – we don’t even call it a “breeze,” unless it’s over 45 mph.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM
By the way, Boone-Pickens learned about this problem, just last week.
OhEssYouCowboys on July 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Xcel energy did the same thing here in Colorado. I believe it was something like only $2.50 more per month per block of energy that you purchased. Then along comes a ballot initiative that would require electric utilities to purchase 10% (I think) of it’s electricity from wind or other renewable sources. You guessed it, our rates went up some. Fortunately they only have to purchase a fairly small percentage. I dread what happens when cap and trade hits.
boomer on July 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Ah, GreenChoice…I signed up a long time ago, and my costs are locked in well below current rates, at least until my contract expires. It’s a pity that Austin Energy couldn’t keep up with demand. And it won’t help when the solar array goes on line and no one signs up for it, either.
(note to self: find out when GreenChoice contract expires)
Snowed In on July 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM
What’s the arguement that the left always uses for not harvesting our own oil…………..
………”It would take 10 years!!!”
Well, well, well………….
Seven Percent Solution on July 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM
I roll my eyes every time I see one of those stickers. Eventhough I went to school there I think Austin is stuck in the sixties.
HoustonRight on July 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Let me be clean..ah..er..as I have …uhhh..er always ahhh said ahhh errr if you ahhh errr ummm make less than 250 thousand dollars ahhhh..uhhmmmerahh, your taxes will ahhhherrr ummmaaaa go up.
jukin on July 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM
It’s spreading. Can you keep your texan trolls out of Alaska? I don’t want them I have enough California hippies to kick out!
upinak on July 13, 2009 at 7:03 PM
If we are serious about clean energy, the only reasonable choice is nuclear. Even Patrick Moore, the co-founder of Greenpeace agrees.
Geronimo on July 13, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Did I do that?
Joe Bloggs on July 13, 2009 at 7:04 PM
T-Bone and the wind turbine worshipers also forgot to mention that wind energy has a storage problem. If there ain’t wind….there ain’t any power.
T-Bone, please go back to gas and oil….I’m beggin’
ya.
yoda on July 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Well, yet another liberal mantra….’Do as I SAY, not as I DO’.
HornetSting on July 13, 2009 at 7:08 PM
It’s an easy fact that this nation is going to have wake up and accept sooner or later: If you want to spin turbines for energy, you either burn fuel or build nuclear plants to heat water. (Hydroelectric works where you can get it, but it’s obviously limited.) Everything else is fantasy.
Blacklake on July 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Wind much, in Oklahoma. Stop not.
;O)
OhEssYouCowboys on July 13, 2009 at 7:10 PM
I want everyone here to know, that IF by some strange happenstance, anything coming out of Greenpeace has any positive effect on my life in any way shape or form, that y’ll have just witnessed an act of GOD!
Blacksmith8 on July 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Ever wonder why they call it Green? It really is another Orwellian contradiction. CO2 is what plants eat to produce chlorophyll which gives all plant life its green color. CO2 is what causes green things to grow, CO2, sunlight and water. Yet, somehow, things that reduce CO2 are “green”.
It really is page right out of 1984
keep the change on July 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I agree, and Greenpeace is not too fond of Patrick Moore anymore. To them, he is now some kind of crank.
Geronimo on July 13, 2009 at 7:16 PM
That’s easy just tell them they have to qualify on the shooting range to enter and you’ll never hear from them again.
HoustonRight on July 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM
I usually call them @$$hole Energy, and I’m not that sorry to see they have problems. My only fear is that in the absence of this distraction, they will be back to trying to install centrally-controlled thermostats.
Sekhmet on July 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM
I haven’t. I’ve visited. My visits to the Southwest and the upper Midwest have taught me one thing about wind power in my native region: It won’t work in the South.
Yesterday, for instance. I was working on the landscaping in my backyard. It was 92 degrees, about 65% humidity, and absolutely no breeze. There wasn’t even a leaf stirring.
Look, Southerners. Wind power is yet another way for the northeast to try and reclaim its lost industry. Anyone south of the Ohio River should fight to stop these initiatives.
All I am saying is give secession a chance. Another chance?
Ampleforth on July 13, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Anything labeled green or union I try to avoid it. If an energy source is safe, effective, and free market produced it doesn’t need Al Gore’s green label.
fourdeucer on July 13, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Wind farms blow.
fogw on July 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM
I was driving along I-45 last year, heading back to Houston from Dallas, and I saw a “wide load” vehicle followed by another wide load vehicle followed by three State vans and cars, followed by a semi carrying a single windmill blade followed by two more state vehicles followed by two more “wide load” trucks. About ten minutes later I saw another caravan in the same arrangement. The carbon footprint of a single windmill blade must be enormous!
Weight of Glory on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM
I fail to see why electricity costing 4-5 times coal fired electricity would be a problem to sell. Colonel Obama can make it happen, you watch.
What will it take toi start the rebellion?
tarpon on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Pacific Power (which I believe is owned by that evil Berkshire-Hathaway corporation)out here in the great Pacific Northwest has a similar program called “Blue Sky”. Consumers can choose to pay more for their electricity with the understanding that it will come from “green” sources (primarily wind).
Of course all of the left-over hippies infesting this region of the country happily pay more for their electricity because they get a cool “Blue Sky” lawn sign (complete with a picture of windmills), a cool “Blue Sky” bumper sticker to go on the Volvo (or Subaru) and that all so wonderful “feeling” that you are doing something so good and right for our dear mother gaia!
Meanwhile, I happily pay the lower price while maintaining my home at whatever temperature happens to make me happy at the time.
Fatal on July 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM
I just drove back out to West Texas from Austin, and the Austin Statesman this morning had the headline: “Costs hurting Green Energy”.
Yeah, as in “extremely uneconomical”, even after billions and billions in tax breaks and handouts.
They’re so stupid that they can’t even see the irony of that.
TexasJew on July 13, 2009 at 7:33 PM
upinak
Ever read Drop City by T.C.Boyle?
Great book about the ’60s in Alaska.
katy the mean old lady on July 13, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Weight of Glory on July 13, 2009 at 7:25 PM
It generally takes more energy to make one of those 2.5 million dollar behemoths than it will ever produce. The steel manufacturing uses coal, gas and oil in large quantities.
And the turbines are generally made overseas.
TexasJew on July 13, 2009 at 7:35 PM
To bad all of Obama’s lies, and rhetoric don’t produce enough wind, or hot air. If the technology were there, I’m sure his b.s. could supply energy to 100 homes, or more.
capejasmine on July 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Clearly you’ve nevered lived in the Southwest.
regal on July 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM
I have often driven by the huge windfarms out in West Texas, on King Mountain by McCamey and the giant windfarms down along the Pecos by Sheffield and Iraan, and have often seen the blades not moving.
Same with Sweetwater and Abilene… the wind is oftentimes weak and tempermental.
TexasJew on July 13, 2009 at 7:40 PM
The developments in solar energy have been quite interesting over the last few years. One way to survey them without having to commit very much time is to search for “solar energy” at Science Daily.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/
It’s also interesting to read Randall Parker’s observations and speculations at Futurepundit. Randall has a large number of links to the reports on which he has commented.
http://www.futurepundit.com/
Kralizec on July 13, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Actually chlorophyll is the chemical compound that helps plants Convert CO2 into useful organic compounds. They don’t eat CO2 to make chlorophyll.
chemman on July 13, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Obama has a very simple solution to this problem. Drive up the price of all energy besides Green energy, and that makes Green energy more “cost-efficient.”
Daggett on July 13, 2009 at 7:48 PM
FIFY
Caper29 on July 13, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Nothing wrong here that another $500 billion or so can’t fix…
Just because the cost for a kilowatt hour of power approaches $400 or $500, or more, doesn’t mean that this wind power thingie is a bad idea. Let’s just throw some more money at it.
And thus, as the field trials show that wind power in not a panacea for all the world’s ills, the Greenies and the Dems will still push it and push it as the Divine Word as they shut down all the other proven energy technologies.
A new day is dawning…
I heard that Moog over in the cave across the valley knows how to make fire.
Haven’t we been through this before?
coldwarrior on July 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Don’t give the lefties a bumper sticker quote they might use. They won’t get the sarcasm.
chemman on July 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM
Lol. I used “eat” as an expression. They need CO2 to become green. No CO2, no green.
keep the change on July 13, 2009 at 7:57 PM
OhEssYouCowboys on July 13,2009 at 7:10 PM
Not much wind up here in da Norte land where I live and I have heard there are plans to build many wind farms here in the near future. Glad to hear Oklahoma has the wind. Family members live near Duncan.
yoda on July 13, 2009 at 8:01 PM
Wind farms are in the very best scenario, a loser.
They have a short life span, the cost to re-build is extraordinary, the maintenance is very high, and the efficiency of the turbines are very low.
Remove the politics, and look at the basic accounting numbers of cost verses return, and anyone could see it is a loser…and no amount of “scientific advancement” is going to make it better.
The stress on the turbines, and the bearings, the inconsistent weather, the loss of transmitted power through the lines, can’t be “fixed”.
right2bright on July 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM
Hello, Green Choice. I am you reality delivery man, Mr Dover. You can call me Ben.
Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on July 13, 2009 at 8:08 PM
The funny part is that Austin is an oasis of blue in a solidly red state. If you can’t get the people in the blue areas to use green energy, how are you going to get everyone else to? (apart from force, that is)
Kafir on July 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Wrap your minds around that number before going further. This is only for The People’s Republic of Austin.
Jaibones on July 13, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Living in SE Florida we have two nuke plants supplying us,
Fort Pierce and Turkey Point. No nuke fears, no smoke,an isolated incident of security (sleeping on the job) I have to admit my bill is reasonable considering my location and the fact that my wife (a Chicago girl) keeps the thermostat
set on Stun.
Wolfen on July 13, 2009 at 8:18 PM
I signed up for GreenChoice when it first came out for the very reasons mentioned above–it was cheaper than the fuel alternatives for a good while, then I sold that home.
Note that Austin has also doubled down on their folly by taking a pass in getting in on the expansion to the local nuke plant, iirc.
TexasDan on July 13, 2009 at 8:24 PM
I caught some of Glenn Beck when I got home from work today, and guess which American company owns 45% of the investments in wind farms? GE. No surprise there.
oldoldbabs on July 13, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Saw lots of wind farms when I was in Germany a couple weeks ago. According to the locals, they’re a failure there too.
Knucklehead on July 13, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Just a little further North you’ve also got Crystal River.
Oldnuke on July 13, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Ironic that energy is deregulated in Texas so consumers are given a choice… everywhere except in Austin where the city government has an iron-clad monopoly with Austin Energy.
And oh-so-deliciously ironic to know that Green Mountain Energy, the biggest green energy provider in Texas has its corporate HQ in downtown Austin, has lower overall “green energy” prices than Austin Energy’s program, and cannot legally provide Austin consumers with the choice to buy their green power from them.
ScottMcC on July 13, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Wind farms also kill millions of migrating birds and bats. How is that “green”?
Margee on July 13, 2009 at 8:38 PM
But they don’t kill penguins and baby polar bears, that’s what really matters.
guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Precisely. It will also make bicycling to work so very, very attractive.
guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:46 PM
At least they make me chuckle…these folks in charge of things.
Thunderstorm129 on July 13, 2009 at 8:48 PM
You know, sometimes Ed and Allahpundit make me grumpy.
But they really do put together the very best political site on the web.
I must have 60 political bookmarks, but HA is where I go every day, all day.
Tip o’ the hat, gents.
guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:49 PM
As mentioned earlier, Xcel has a similar program. I’m not sure how successful it’s been. Being a MN resident, I actually opted for it. Why? Four reasons:
1. Those windmills are manufactured in MN
2. They’re installed and maintained by MN workers
3. I do hope that someday we will have a decent nationwide network of wind power sources. And, unlike libs, I like to put my own money into things I hope for, not force everyone else to pay for my dreams and playthings.
4. We need more power. And if the eco-tards are blocking coal and nuclear, I’d like to see at least some power added to the grid.
And yes, I know… “hope” is a lame reason, but a boy can dream can’t he?
strictnein on July 13, 2009 at 8:50 PM
Just great! Here in sunny California, we’re to go 30% green on electricity by 2020, Arnie says so. It’s already been noted that we need 7 new transmission lines for this ‘green power’. According to those in the know, it takes 10 YEARS from planning until you have a line with juice running thru it. Only one of those lines is in the planning stages right now. And guess who the major roadblock to it’s approabl is…..yep, the greenies!
GarandFan on July 13, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Animal sacrifice is often a pagan sacrament.
daesleeper on July 13, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Hey, come on. I live in CA, too. We’re going to do it with local (mandatory) composting generators.
Just like Mao had millions of peasants out in their backyards making steel out of pots and pans. The Great Leap Forward, he called it. OK, millions of people starved to death and all, but he had really good intentions.
guntotinglibertarian on July 13, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Garland Texas also has a monopoly on power in their city. It is called, surprise, Garland Power and Light. Again no choice.
TruthToBeTold on July 13, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Damn guy! You’re in deep kim-chee. No wind in MN now since your biggest blowhard relocated to D.C. as a senator. :-)
Oldnuke on July 13, 2009 at 8:58 PM
That is the old Enron wind division. Enron built blades etc and built windfarms. They engineered the carbon tax and trading scheme and also did so for SO2. Enron’s crime spree is alive and well. Warren buffett bought the gas pipeline part of Enron. The natural gas industry is a larger lobby against coal power than is he sierra club.
seven on July 13, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Once again the immutable laws of economics trumps the machinations of the eco-marxists. Sadly, this will not deter them.
It is like a monkey tossing a rock above his head and each and every time the rock falls and bonks him on the head. This does not discourage him, he continues to to toss the rock, expecting a different outcome. The laws of economics are as immutable as the law of gravity.
If wind or solar were as economical, plentiful, and reliable as traditional forms of power generation like coal, oil, natural gas, hydroelectric damns, or nuclear, we would adopt them without government involvement.
DeathB4Tyranny on July 13, 2009 at 9:04 PM
dams = damns
DeathB4Tyranny on July 13, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Well, the wind might not be blowing in Abilene, but the landowners in that part of Texas are laughing all the way to the bank – they are making a FORTUNE in leasing rights.
On a different note, there is a windfarm going up in south Texas – on the Kenedy Ranch. The wind blows like hell in Corpus Christi most of the time. We’ll see how it goes.
pullingmyhairout on July 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM
All of the, more or less, normal electric utilities outside of California love it when your moonbats initiate one of their energy initiatives. That means when you guys start to run out we get to sell it to you at really high prices. Helps jack our bonuses up. :-)
Oldnuke on July 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM
I would demand separate transmission lines to be sure my power was pure and not mixed with dirty power.
gooddad on July 13, 2009 at 9:22 PM
The government should stay out of the energy industry. That’s what I call true energy independence!
Libertarian Joseph on July 13, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Careful, now, you might be giving them ideas.
First, they’ll tear down all the old dirty transmission lines, those that once carried dirty energy.
Then, after that is done, and a few hundred billion spent, they’ll start building new clean, green, bio-degradable transmission lines, for another few hundred billion, so they can transmit clean energy.
coldwarrior on July 13, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Has anyone calculated the net loss of energy from pushing idiotic energy production methods?
daesleeper on July 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Huh.
watson007 on July 13, 2009 at 11:18 PM
I often see the very large parts for those wind turbines being hauled, one large 18-wheeler at a time, up the freeway from Houston. Each truck appears to only have 1 fan blade per load – they are big! Very often these truckers are just sitting in traffic, in the heat, running their a/c, clogging up I-45, burning fuel,and then driving hours away to drop off one piece of thousands of windmills so that people can feel good about being “green”. Now I wonder where the never used, or rusted, windmills will go…and how will they get there?
redwhiteblue on July 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM
They think electricity grows on trees.
Jaibones on July 13, 2009 at 11:42 PM
But they are very special trees…showering Skittles upon the land, with unicorns dancing about them.
coldwarrior on July 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Wolfen on July 13, 2009 at 8:18 PM
There’s another off Port St. Lucie too.
I’ve lived about 2/3rds of my life within 15 miles of a nuclear reactor (and as close as a quarter-mile from a lab reactor back in college). Given the choice of living near nukes or far, I’ll take near every time.
Blacksmith on July 14, 2009 at 12:57 AM
The first wind farm Austin Electric put up in Texas was above the Guadalupe Pass, which was about like putting a plastic paddle wheel under Niagara Falls. So after the 162 mph winds ripped up the generators back in January of ‘95, they and other companies looked for more practical areas in West Texas and found a bunch of them — southwest of Fort Davis, between Bakersfield and McCamey, pretty much all of Nolan County, the mesas south of Big Spring and around Stanton, east of Midland.
And running the power lines away from the wind farms isn’t that big a problem at the production site, since there aren’t that many people, if any, who live around them. The problem is that — like the Kennedys wanting nothing to do with wind farms off Martha’s Vineyard because it offends them aesthetically, you can run the lines out of West Texas, but you can’t run them into Austin, because to the same liberals who wanted wind power in the first place, the idea of big transmission lines and towers to actually bring that power to market offends them aesthetically (though if you push them, like their liberal compatriots in other places, like Upstate New York, they’ll blather on about the harmful effects of high voltage lines in populated areas, apparently under the notion that Scotty’s going to use the transporter to beam the power from the wind farms to their homes).
jon1979 on July 14, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Just put Obama jawjacking in front of these wind turbines and they’ll be producing 24/7.
But make sure there’re plenty of spare TOTUS’s.
profitsbeard on July 14, 2009 at 1:10 AM
Just put Obama jawjacking in front of these wind turbines and they’ll be producing 24/7.
But make sure there’re plenty of spare TOTUS’s.
profitsbeard on July 14, 2009 at 1:10 AM
Just put Obama jawjacking in front of these wind turbines and they’ll be producing 24/7.
But make sure there’re plenty of spare TOTUS’s.
profitsbeard on July 14, 2009 at 1:11 AM
(Obama must have caused this threepeat!)
profitsbeard on July 14, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Oh goodie…is it finally time to stop blaming everything on Bush?
redwhiteblue on July 14, 2009 at 1:54 AM
Looks like the liberals take over of Austin has been as successful as how they have run states they dominate like NY,MI,and CA.
Epic failure.
Baxter Greene on July 14, 2009 at 3:23 AM
So much for the argument that these jobs can’t be outsourced.
xblade on July 14, 2009 at 4:46 AM
We need wind energy and other energy sources to work. Whilst its all very amusing to see it fail like this, its not good for any of us.
We don’t have enough oil to meet our needs forever, so other ways have to be found. Sadly it seems that wind farms are not going to be the answer. Perhaps the problem lies in the fact that they are so close to the ground – a better alternative would be to use kites like NASA are developing to capture the wind energy in the stratosphere.
Another way would be nuclear. I like nuclear – its clean, and you can have as much or as little of it as you want on demand. Its a great energy source. Its also got a bad reputation, and no one wants to live next to a nuclear site. I don’t think I would want to, to be honest. But its powered France and Japan for years with very little problems, and I think nuclear is a great solution.
You have to get away from the idea of ‘Green Energy.’ There is just energy. If we can generate it in a way that avoids reliance on Saudi Arabia and OPEC then the world will be a better place.
In a way, we should be saddened that this project didn’t work. But remember – those who signed up for it for the first ten years got a great deal. Perhaps it is only the recession that has caused it be so expensive now. After the recession, when oil prices start to rise again, you might find it becomes a better proposition.
dcpolwarth on July 14, 2009 at 5:05 AM
How do they “synchronize up” all phase rotations so that phase A is Phase A on EVERY Windmill at the exact same time?
When you look at a “wind farm” ya notice the farm is huge, with windmills all over the place.
If the ”wind” changes at one point on the farm, that windmill will be turning faster/slower than the other windmills.
That leads to an “unbalanced load” or “out of phase” condition, which usually results in a “power outage” for the customers (AKA black out).
Are the windmill “omni-directional”?
Out here in CA, the biggest power draw is during a “Santa Anna” also know as katabatic winds, Meaning the wind will blow East to west.
Most of the time the wind blows West to East.
If the windmills are not “pointed” in the correct direction (into the wind), the windmills could run backwards.
Or make the phase rotation normally “ABC” to “CBA” if you ever worked with 3phase motors ya can seethe problem here, the motors will be running backwards as well.
DSchoen on July 14, 2009 at 5:31 AM
The whole wind scheme was a ruse to get the property and water rights. He can sit on the turbines and sell them at a profit when inflation hits and cap and trade runs coal fired electricity up to .50+ cents/ kw hr.
T, Boone maybe a lot of things but, stupid with money ain’t one of ‘em.
TheSitRep on July 14, 2009 at 6:53 AM
In one of the discussions I had with an engineer on wind power he stated that a wind power system needs a 90% backup system from a more reliable source (such as coal or nuclear) to maintain a steady flow of power. If this is accurate it means that wind can never be more than an auxuliary source; i.e. better start harnessing them unicorns if you want to go entirely green.
Back here in reality land we need to junk the windmills and get busy on “drill here drill now” and getting our thumb out on building new nuclear plants.
mad scientist on July 14, 2009 at 7:25 AM
They use electronics to synchronize the current. The simplest method is to use a rectifier to convert to DC and then use an inverter to produce synchronized AC.
darktood on July 14, 2009 at 7:43 AM
Electricity from wind is so inefficient, unreliable and expensive that it’s a scandalous hoax. Democrats aren’t serious about energy until they allow development of nuke power plants and domestic sources of gas and oil.
petefrt on July 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Austin used to be GREAT!!!
I lived there from 1992 thru 2000 and was heavily involved in the IT explosion. The problem there is the ongoing Californification of Austin. As individuals and businesses fled California’s high taxes to take advantage of Texas’ business-friendly environment, they brought their liberal views with them. They are slowly turning Austin into San Francisco and will probably eventually develop the same problems they fled.
When the IT bubble began to burst in 2000, I moved to North Dallas. I still love Austin, but could never live amongst the trolls again.
stvnscott on July 14, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Funny how that works, isn’t it. Libs cram wind turbines down the throats of rural America, but when it comes time to run the transmission lines through their suburban neighborhoods, they say ‘NO WAY’.
Wind has become part of the leftist religion, and wind turbines have become icons for the envirowhackos and monuments to the green movement. Just as they would ban SUV’s, they would put a windmill in every rural conservative’s backyard just to remind him/her of who is boss.
petefrt on July 14, 2009 at 9:23 AM
All of the shortcomings of these alternative energy sources are showing up at once. Is this mother natures way of saying knock it off.
Use common sense. Wind is not the enemy, the environmentalists are. Let the individual home/property owner to decide if they want to implement such measures for their own benefit, and do not force the property owner to share their electricity with the grid.
MSGTAS on July 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM
I know this is a Wind article, but from what I have seen, after nuclear, wave/tide energy is terrific. Water is 1,000 times as dense/powerful as wind. As in a simple 5mph current is the equivalent of 5,000 mph wind. Same problem of getting the power from the ocean to the grid, but unlike wind, many currents are constant.
Also, most of our major cities are near the oceans.
Of course Obama cut the research funding for this energy resource. GE doesn’t make this product.
barnone on July 14, 2009 at 10:52 AM
One problem with tidal power plants is that they can only generate power for about 10 hours per day. Those times are predictable though.
Oldnuke on July 14, 2009 at 12:00 PM
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