A Liberal Lecture on Economics (and Why It Won’t Work)
posted at 2:00 pm on July 12, 2009 by The Other McCain
The editors of The Washington Post demand to know why a second economic “stimulus” is needed. Dean Baker of the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research hinges his reply on this analysis:
The collapse of the housing bubble led to a reduction in annual rates of construction of about $450 billion. The bubble in the non-residential sector is also in the process of collapsing, cutting annual demand by approximately $200 billion. The loss of $8 trillion in housing bubble wealth, coupled with a loss of roughly the same amount of stock wealth, is leading to a reduction in annual consumption of approximately $700 billion.
The total loss in demand is around $1,350 billion. The annual stimulus in the bill approved in February was around $300 billion. $300 billion in stimulus is not nearly enough to fill a $1,350 billion shortfall in demand.
Only a Keynesian could waltz past a tremendous fact like the loss of $16 trillion in asset value — Baker’s estimate of the combined losses in real estate and stock markets — to obsess about the “shortfall in demand,” which is the exclusive focus of his argument for a second “stimulus.”
CAPITAL SUPPLY, CONSUMER DEMAND AND ‘STIMULUS’
The fundamental problem of the U.S. economy is a capital shortage, and you can’t make capitalism work without capital. We have a supply-side crisis to which liberals are proposing only demand-side solutions.
I keep repeating, “It Won’t Work,” and here’s why: The government can print money or borrow money or raise taxes to increase government spending in the name of pump-priming “stimulus” — that is to say, demand-side intervention intended to boost consumer spending. (Whether or not the $789 trillion “stimulus” bill passed in February effectively achieves this intent is another question.)
However, any of these three methods of funding Keynesian intervention has negative economic consequences that hinder recovery. Obviously, raising taxes reduces the amount of money that citizens have available for spending or investment. Printing money — i.e., inflation — has ruinous effects on consumers and investors. And if the government borrows money (which has been approach used to fund the “stimulus” so far), it thereby siphons away capital that might otherwise be available to private-sector investment.
This third point — the negative economic consequences of deficit spending — is where the hypocrisy of Democrats is so apparent. All during the Bush years, Democrats harped about deficits, but now that they’re in charge, their pretenses to fiscal conservatism have evaporated. It’s sad, because the fiscal and monetary policies of the Bush years (especially the inflationary policies of the Fed) deserve serious criticism, not the kind of political opportunism that Democrats practice.
TOWARD AN AMERICAN ‘LOST DECADE’
As Reason magazine recently reported, the Obama administration’s “stimulus” approach is almost an exact duplicate of the policies that led to Japan’s “Lost Decade”:
The Japanese government’s easing of credit rates, instead of spurring real demand, created artificial demand. Federal loans and stimulus spending were not economically productive, and they vastly increased the nation’s debt and prolonged the economic malaise. Worse, businesses spent critical time on the sidelines, waiting for government bailouts and other centralized actions, instead of speedily consolidating their losses, clearing their balance sheets of bad investments, and reorganizing.
So Baker’s spat with the Washington Post over the need for a second “stimulus” is a pathetic sideshow. The first “stimulus” is, in fact, damaging the prospects for recovery and the debate over a second dose of the same poison is basically about whether we should commit economic suicide faster.
Liberalism’s implacable hostility to market economics — their attacks on investment and profit, in service of their politically motivated demonization of “the rich” — is one of those ideas that has consequences. Everyone with a 401(k) account has suffered directly from the collapse of the stock market. Measures that prevent recovery will only prolong the misery, and one investment manager summed up the current situation Friday:
“Nobody’s investing because there’s no reason to invest,” said Dawn Bennett, CEO of Bennett Financial Group.
Exactly. If companies can’t make profits, what’s the point in buying stock? But the government is now controlled by liberals who want us to believe that corporate profits are evil, and so the prospects for investment are bleak. “Investment” is just another word for “capital,” and you can’t make capitalism work without capital. As Michelle Malkin said in September 2008, The Fundamentals Suck.
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How in the hell did Franken get on the Senate Judiciary Committee?
What a joke.
BuckeyeSam on July 12, 2009 at 8:10 PM
This is a point that bares repeating. In two years Obama will have added more to the deficit then Bush did. And he will likely add more this year then Bush did when he had a Republican congress 01-06…
18-1 on July 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Touche!
Also, regarding “science” & “modernity”, BHO has put a mad scientist over US science policy:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/11/if-you-like-putting-sterilants-in-our-water-and-forcing-undesirables-to-have-abortions-have-we-got-a-science-czar-for-you/
jgapinoy on July 12, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Did you vote for Obama? The only coherent argument I ever managed to get from Obama supporters was that he would end disastrous deficits of the Bush years – and certainly I think we could all agree Bush and the Congress, especially the Democrat Congress, were spending too much. Yet Obama has managed to make Bush look like a budget hawk by comparison.
18-1 on July 12, 2009 at 8:41 PM
“Liberalism’s implacable hostility to market economics…”
It’s NOT liberalism, it’s socialism.
Socialist Party of America presidential candidate Norman Thomas in the 1940s:
modifiedcontent on July 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM
Flat out and plain…. Obama is destroying the Nation. Do the Obamabots that voted for him realize what dunces they are? Probably not. God Help Us All.
ultracon on July 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM
New Obama currency
Joe Bloggs on July 12, 2009 at 8:55 PM
I wonder what people mean when they say “I’m a liberal”. Do they mean they are for big government and spreading the wealth around? Or are they really classic liberals, just confused on the label. If that is the case, then you’d be more accurate calling yourself a libertarian. Less government, more freedoms and liberty. I think somewhere along the way, classic liberalism has been hijacked by progressive-ism, and folks became confused over the brand/label. Anyway, sometimes I think this phenomena would probably make a good thesis.
long_cat on July 12, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Hey–it’s been 5mos? since the stimulation and we are still waiting for ejaculation…? Begs the question–have those fools finished reading it yet?
ted c on July 12, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Doesn’t matter to The One and his O-Bots. They’re going to save us… no matter how much it hurts.
Yakko77 on July 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM
We had to destroy the country to save it
– Barack Obama
Though I guess Biden would be more likely to admit to it…
18-1 on July 12, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Nope have to disagree here. You have it wrong. We are facing BOTH a supply (capital problem) and a demand problem. and the stimulus will not increase demand long term because it is a shot in the arm not a ready diet.
The supply side problem occurred because of the demand problem. the demand problem arose because of too high prices in relation to income. homes, gasoline, food, eating out, clothes all become too expensive to the income of Americians. housing prices that doubled in a year, gasoline at $4.00/gal. Food inflation at 20-50% over a year. All Prices that could not be paid by americians because their income was not keeping up. therefore the only way to solve the economic problem is to decrease prices and/or increase income. To do that we need jobs and to have jobs we need capital. The capital dried up because the idiots decided that the welfare of china was more important than the welfare of the USA. Internationalists destroyed this economy in the 90′s. It just took about 14 years to show up because the problem was covered up by credit.
People do not want to decrease their standard of living. Even when things get tough if you give people a way to keep their standard of living they will. Thus the loosening of credit allowed America to continue their standard of living even while or income and wealth producing industries were dismantaled and shipped overseas. As the jobs vanished people used credit and increases in not wealth producing assets like homes and stocks to make up the difference in the wealth being stolen from this country.
To fix the economy you need jobs, jobs, jobs. and not just any jobs. Jobs that produce things with vaule. Yes service jobs are good and a needed part of an economy. But when the lower classes can not produced incomes those service jobs like real estate agents, doctors, mechanics etc go away quickly. You need manufacturing, you need all of the country to be able to increase incomes no matter the education level, no matterskill set to grow an economy based on consumer spending. when a large minority of your population can no longer be an active part of that economy the economy fails. just like if you continue to push the tax owed to a smaller and smaller subset of the population the tax revenuses dry up.
So to fix it you need to increase energy production, decrease energy cost. Increase incomes decrease taxes, increase jobs available both highly skilled and unskilled. and you need to decrease the labor pool by decreasing illegal immigration so that incomes can raise.
Only when the entire country is gaining incomes and producing wealth will the economy improve.
The thinking of supply siders and demand siders are fundementaly wrong. It is both problems together and each side is only promoting half the solution. The supply siders will produce increases in capital formation and it does trivckle down as long as that capital is directed towards this country. the demand siders are correct that without good high paying jobs the demand for consumer goods will dry up and the economy will grind to a halt.
and since the two political parties have choosen only half the answer for political means and for the good of their supporters than the economy will never again obtain the highs that America enjoyed before.
and for those of you you still do not agree. look at china. The place where we dumbed all our “low skilled” jobs. Its economy is growing at about 5-7% still. It has capital formation at the same time its lower class population is seeing an great boost in disposable income. So those that say manufacturing economy is bad . I say america use to have the bicycles and we the SUVs. Now it appears we will have the bicylces and China will have the sUVs. All an All I would rather it be reversed.
unseen on July 12, 2009 at 9:27 PM
There no such thing as “what they want” under socialism. Instead there is “what they are given” in its place.
Sharke on July 12, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Most of the ones I know are still in the “It’s all booshes fawt” denial mode.
Also, it’s not just the ones who voted for Ozero. I’ve said before that I’ve been in Republican meetings where ELECTED republicans (state offices) were praising Ozero and trashing Sarah Palin. The problem is that too many people get their economics from Chris Tingly Legged Matthews or Oprah. … including elected republicans.
Even when they are reduced to drinking dog pe* out of rusty hubcaps and learning to savor the taste of cardboard stew, they will still be worshipping Ozero. It will all be Busssshhhesss faulllllltt.
bullseye on July 12, 2009 at 10:09 PM
There would be more capital if the Social Democrats would quit dicking around with the private sector.
I guess these guys have never worked for companies very long or have never actually run a business nor are very much acquainted with anyone who does. Just spent their life in school or on the dole I gather.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 12, 2009 at 10:10 PM
This is the crucial part of any ‘plan’ for economic recovery. America desperately needs more jobs that don’t require the cruel ripoff that ‘higher education’ has become, where most grads basically become pink-/blue-/white-collar sharecroppers in order to someday pay off their college debts. Jobs that make valuable, tangible things at the end of the day – our nation relies too heavily on cyberspace and service jobs and that is asking for trouble! Jobs whose health policy isn’t “don’t get sick”. Jobs where your employer cannot dismiss you “at-will” (meaning for anything, literally, as long as he/she cooks up a decent enough excuse and nobody can produce evidence to the contrary)
We are suffering severely for our nearsighted greed that the fatcats and fools have disguised as free-market capitalism.
Dark-Star on July 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM
A comedian fried says in his routine that a metro-sexual is someone with a fetish for mass transit.
Fallen Sparrow on July 12, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Well this is encouraging.
Bishop on July 12, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Obama is leaving a Huge government footprint.
seven on July 12, 2009 at 10:39 PM
The first stimulus,is still sinking like the Titanic,
and after a 170 days for Team Obama’s grand plan of failure,
Team Obama wants a supply ship,full of cash,a second one,
mind you,and wants the cash force-fed into the Titanic en
gines,in the insane believe that he can power the boat out
of the water to save the day!!(Snark).
canopfor on July 12, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Folks, the reason there is no capital in the system, is the Regulators from the Fed and Treasury.
They decided, correctly, that 25:1 leverage was WAY too much leverage for fractinal lending… and have forced banke to get more capital for their reserve.
So, everything, and more, that that Gov has GIVEN them has gone to that reserve, and is not being used for lending… as they are STILL overleveraged according to the Regulators.
Romeo13 on July 12, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Or, they could print enough money, make everyone who is not, a millionaire.
That way, we’ll only have 1,000,000,000% inflation.
jack herman on July 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Your quote makes the point pretty clear. Liberalism IS socialism, it’s just socialism ‘light’, a creeping worm infested version of socialism that will end up skipping right past the euro socialism and smack into the deep end of marxist fascism.
We’re headed there at breakneck speed, and STILL there are liberal idiots out there that hang on every word from the fascist in chief.
Spiritk9 on July 12, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Liberalism is exactly what modifiedcontent pointed out – socialism in disguise. Sadly, so is the current GOP. Three essential elements of a new, relevant GOP would be:
1) Pass legislation requiring lawmakers to certify that they have read the legislation being voted on;
2) Require amendments to be directly related to the legislation they’re amending;
3) Reduce the complexity of legislation. Ending the days of 1,300 page laws would go a long way to helping voters (and Congress) clearly understand what’s being voted on.
If the GOP won’t make these changes, then we need to find a party that will.
hawksruleva on July 13, 2009 at 12:06 AM
Instead of arguing for a second stimulus, we should push our lawmakers to revisit the LAST stimulus. Most of the money hasn’t been spent; it’s not too late for serious legislators to cut out the fat, reduce the spending, and convert more of the spending to tax cuts.
If they announced a 2-year moratorium on the capital gains tax, businesses would be stampeding to the banks for loans. Right now, innovation is sitting on the sidelines, because it’s too hard for a project to survive with the added expenses of taxes & regulation.
hawksruleva on July 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Go to Politico. There is a poll on our dear leader. So far, the grade of F is leading.
mobydutch on July 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM
Dark-Star on July 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM
It is not so much greed as it is a lack of national prespective. To the internationalists it makes no difference if a plant is built in china or the USA they will built where ever it is cheaper. that includes taxes, labor, regulations, environmental laws etc. They only see the bottomline. which is fine if the world was a big happy place. what what these “new captians of industry” have forgotten is that it is only the might of the USA and to some extant western civilization that enables them to be able to make a profit. It is our laws, our freedoms that allows free market capitalism to funtion. It is our wealth that buys their goods. When one company picks up and moves overseas it is not a big deal because other companies will pick up the slack. however if your entire manufacturing base leaves there is noone to pick up the slack and your golden goose dies. and then if the golden goose dies the laws and consitutional rights that enabled you to make that profit dies and you are then at the mercy of regimes like chevaz and your profit is seized for the “greater good”. Thus shortterm your increase in profits is nice but long term and country wide your actions of outsourcing jobs will destroy your company, your way of life, and your freedom.
therefore there are intangibles that can not be judged on a quarter to quarter income statement. And sadly our once great companies have forgotten that because it is considered unseemly to be patriotic.
we are seeing the impacts on all companies bottomlines with their decsions to move offshore. Now that the income no longer can sustain their products in the USA the income across the world is not enough to save them. It was only here in the great country of frr market capitalism were there enough wealth to sustain them. Let pepsi or Ibm go sell their products to India and China. As long as those sales were only extra sales the company was able to increase revenuse and income. however once China and India has to carry the vast majority of their sales since the USA can no longer afford their products then their sales will crater and their companies will die.
I don’t agree with all your points. At will employment is fine as long as there are basic laws on the books to ensure a quasi fair workplace. Profit is not bad. Profit is good. however shortterm thinking of 3 months for that profit is bad. destroying your consitutional rights and trusting marxists is not very good thinking
unseen on July 13, 2009 at 12:43 AM
I have been forced over to the conservative side, with a vengence, since the public appearance of Obama on the scene.
I could not stand him the second time I saw him. (The first time was sort of impressive). I have always considered myself more middle-ground in politics, and could see values on both sides. Not anymore. I feel that the Republicans are much, much more realistic but seem to be timid when countering the left, and this disturbs me. I now see the extremely mean tactics that the Democratics use to upset and defuse their own wicked agendas; lying is both admired and promoted.
Big question: What ever happened to the liberal mind-set??
I always thought they were for individual rights, free-thought, etc. NO MORE. It turns out that they’re perfectly willing to endorse a society of conformists and drones, don’t really give a damn about other oppressive nations, or human rights, or defensive measures to prevent attacks. Don’t care about tykes in the womb. Do care about some willing killer’s suffering over water up the nose. On this moronic issue they’re vehement. Astounding.
I come from liberal lines. My father was a founder of the Harry Truman Club and was the resident headquarter’s chief in So. Cal. when John Kennedy was running. (HE COULD NOT STAND brother Bobby), and pretty much went conservative once LBJ took over.
betsyz on July 13, 2009 at 1:28 AM
From the linked American Spectator article:
Funny, isn’t it, that while the Libs/Progs/Dems keep claiming that they “inherited” this economic catastrophe from G.W. Bush, they have completely and conveniently ignored the fact that all those wonderful “bubbles” started bursting one by one only after the Dems took back control of Congress with the 2006 interim elections.
Bush’s only mistake was that he saw the handwriting on the wall for the 2008 elections, and, being supremely respectful and conscious of the DC political process, wanted to help the Dems make a smooth transition. As such, he went along with a lot of their economic policy demands, including bailing out the banking industry. Very short-sighted on his part, and it’s a damn shame, because all the Dems were doing was setting him up as the clay pigeon and fall guy in the event things blew up in their faces after taking over the White House and passing all their pet projects after Obama was sworn in. Precisely what has come to pass, no?
Now the problem is: How do we wrench back control of this economy and the country at large, before they wreck it completely by getting Cap and Trade, and National Health Care, (not to mention an ultra lib Sotomayor on the Supreme Court), set in place?
God help us, please don’t let it come down to a second Civil War and/or states seceding from the whole! And with the MSM selling out so completely, we can’t rely on them to be objective “public watchdogs” any longer, so how does the truth of what’s happening reach mainstream Americans, given the MSM’s continued selective blackout of news which might damage Obama’s credibility?
“May you live in interesting times!” Actually, I’d rather my ‘retirement’ weren’t this ‘stimulating’, thank you very much! ;-)
KendraWilder on July 13, 2009 at 2:05 AM
If it sounds like Karl Marx and acts like Benito Mussolini, it is probably Barack Obama.
Joe Bloggs on July 13, 2009 at 2:14 AM
Don’t you folks appreciate Dear Leaders economic plan?
Our financial system has hit an iceberg and in order to to stem the flooding, the Gubmint must enlarge the hole in our hull to allow the water to flow back out.
What’s so hard to understand? Sheesh.
Lummox on July 13, 2009 at 2:16 AM
betsyz on July 13, 2009 at 2:26 AM
Why invest indeed? Why invest today when you know that the worth of anything in which you invest will be diluted by Obama tomorrow as he spends and borrows and spends and borrows?
drjohn on July 13, 2009 at 7:48 AM
It might seem like trillions but it was actually $789 billion. You’re points are valid and the analysis otherwise correct.
Dollayo on July 13, 2009 at 7:49 AM
It’s not the printing of the money that’s the problem. It’s what it’s exchanged for. All current monetary systems create money out of thin air, ie printing money. Whether by the government or a private bank it’s the same fundamental concept, there is nothing, no gold etc behind the money. If the money thus created is exchanged for something of value, ie production, it’s not inflationary. That is, increase in money is equaled by increase in goods and services. It’s when you start printing up a bunch of money, (or creating it electronically), and GIVE IT AWAY, RECEIVING NOTHING OF VALUE IN RETURN, that you get inflation. Think entitlements, TARP, covering Wall Street’s gambling debts on derivatives, etc….Recall money’s purpose: Medium of exchange, Economic transaction unit etc…Method of creation and control are important but more critical is how it’s buying power is preserved in transactions.
speed on July 13, 2009 at 8:00 AM
Billion, trillion–who knows any more?
Kralizec on July 13, 2009 at 8:18 AM
Whatever happened to classical liberalism? :p
Libertarian Joseph on July 13, 2009 at 8:22 AM
Said my own points better than I could, and I agree with everything you said.
Dark-Star on July 13, 2009 at 8:39 AM
Actually, it is. One provision of every credit-card agreement I’ve ever seen is that the bank can modify the terms of the agreement any time they want, upon 30 days’ notice to the cardholder. At that point, if you object to any of the new terms, you have the right to stop using the card and pay off any balance.
One of the newest wrinkles is that they no longer have to give the notice in (physical) writing. Instead, they post the new terms on their website, and maybe they send an email, or put a few words in the monthly statement directing you to the full text of the new terms on the website.
Don’t like it? Go with another bank. Oh, but when the new rules are imposed by the government on all credit cards, you can’t do that.
The Monster on July 13, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Obama is Maddoff and Maddoff is Obama.
Tell bold lies about the net effect, rate of return and where money is going – only to pull back the covers and realize it is nothing but a power-grab Ponzi scheme. Billions are being lost as are jobs every day. The bogey man is Obama himself, just as is Maddoff.
This is a simple analogy that should be repeated each and every day.
Odie1941 on July 13, 2009 at 9:18 AM
Don’t forget to include this Obama…this is the way to help your most loyal subjects…
right2bright on July 13, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Barry was hoping that Bush’s proactive tax cut (the $600 per person check a year ago) would be the fix for the economy, and his fake stimulus would not only pay of his supporters, but get credit for fixing the economy, since the SRM would hide the facts. Unfortunately, demand has fallen too far for the piggyback fix plan to work, so instead Barry will get credit for damaging the economy and pushing the largest load of pork ever rolled into one bill.
Vashta.Nerada on July 13, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Why should we expect these people to be able to understand economic realities (and thereby the idiocy of liberal economic policy) when they don’t even understand the difference between ‘value’ and ‘wealth’.
What the moron is referring to is not ‘wealth’ but ‘value’.
Until people understand how profoundly incorrect the above quotation is, there’s no hope for sound economic policy.
LimeyGeek on July 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Dead on Limey. It is also why asset management/401k companies love to use the tired “3/5/10 year “valuations” when selling their products. And specifically use Morningstar (the track past performance and ratings) to compound the lie of your “future wealth”.
I am still waiting for a 30 year net analysis of Americans 401k’s, being they have been popular, funded and sold in the past 30 years; while companies have gone away from guaranteed pension plans – which are no longer even guaranteed when “brilliant” Ivy leaguers get a hold of a companies “restructuring” plans today.
Notice the recent downfall barely mentions the folks who are being hurt – those a year or 2 away from retirement – whos value has decreased 30-70%. Yet, the same charade of “if your young – roll the dice in the grow sector of stocks”. Those thought-to-be-retired folks are not retiring, extending their work hours/careers and selling anything they can to stay out of the poor house.
Nothing but a huge slush fund for the masses of asses in America. I believe less than 5% of people who invest long term actually break even…
Odie1941 on July 13, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Absolutely right. It amazes me to hear people talk about how much they’ve ‘lost’ from their stock portfolios – they seem to imagine a magically growing pile of cash behind every stock certificate, that has now evaporated.
Listen, gullible guppies, the only thing that has evaporated is the fraudulent illusion you’ve been sold.
You’ve been lied to, to convince you to hand over money so that you can ‘build wealth’. There was never any wealth behind your portfolio, only a speculative valuation (that could vanish in a heartbeat, but you were conveniently not told about that part).
You’ve swallowed the lie hook, line and sinker. You believed ‘the only way is up’ and that the magical pixie-gold in your portfolio could only increase in size.
And you staked you future on it.
How dumb do you feel now?
LimeyGeek on July 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Which is why me and the wife only invest in fixed-rate instruments. $150k at 3.75% over 30 years is our nest egg.
Ironically – a mutual fund wholesaler, who was very successful in selling funds – never dabbled in growth sector. His presentation was simple – he would hold up Fortune or Mutual Fund magazines “Top 5/10 Funds You Must Buy” that were printed over the past 5 years or so. Then he would show the rate of return – of which 90% were even or down. He then pitched fixed income instruments and retired at the ripe age of 40.
Odie1941 on July 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM
You’ve got your head on straight ;)
LimeyGeek on July 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM
On a related note
LimeyGeek on July 13, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Yep. And the young people, with all the decent-paying jobs going or gone, and Social Security looted, have no option but to work in crap jobs until the day they drop dead.
American ‘capitalism’ for the win. Not.
Dark-Star on July 13, 2009 at 11:07 AM
The thing to keep in mind is that money is just a place holder — the real action is in the actual goods and services produced. Printing money, borrowing money, or taxing money, any way you slice it (we are doing all three), production is being determined by the government: it can’t help but be inefficient. Our economy is only as large as it is today because of the degree to which it is constantly sharpened by the competition of the free market, an edge we lose when government dictates resource allocation.
Taxing, borrowing, or printing just determines the flavor of the damage:
Printing money destroys the purchasing power of those who have contributed more to the society than they have taken in return, by inflating their savings away, and punishes the behavior of contributing more than you consume now (damaging incentive).
Borrowing soaks up venture capital, reducing not only future production, but reduces the effort taken by individuals now to create the opportunities that venture capital could be used on in the future.
Taxing transfers purchasing decisions from the individual to the government (reducing efficiency), but also lowers the incentive to work now for that purchasing power or to invest for increased purchasing power later.
Count to 10 on July 13, 2009 at 11:51 AM
My Fellow Americans,
We the People have now slipped into “We the People who want free stuff”, and “it’s not my fault”.
When the founding fathers created this country, They did not promise anything special to anyone, there were no “entitlement” programs, no free health care, no free lunch, and you were expected to carry your weight. If you were unable to carry your weight, your neighbors and relatives either helped you, or you starved. I guess you stopped being an asshole if you needed help from others.
Those of us responsible enough to care for our families and friends, while being taxed to care for others, are tired of carrying your deadbeat asses around for your free stuff. Get up off your ass and get a job,get up off that ass and just please give me a reason to give a damn. Why I should care
to help you out when you dont care yourself?
BOTTOM LINE: We all are responsible for our own personal destiny. Without responsibility, we cannot have our own personal destiny
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on July 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Obama just needs more out of the box thinking on budget short-falls and capital restoration…
Wyznowski on July 13, 2009 at 12:10 PM
That’s the kind of whiny attitude that contributes nothing. Kudos!
LimeyGeek on July 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM
I just spent some time with family members/friends in Michigan who are bots. You are correct, they do not get it. A frequent comment was about how “Obama is trying to fix things” and they are happy for that. Their political sphere is very small – they just want to know that they can keep their jobs, houses, cars, and take a small vacation once a year. They don’t view big government as a problem. They don’t want to understand our Constitution. They don’t want to “be political” – so they have blind faith in any Democrat elected and leave the politics to them. They think that Republicans are only about wealth and war. It breaks my heart.
redwhiteblue on July 13, 2009 at 3:03 PM
FIFY.
Dark-Star on July 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM
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