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posted at 1:15 pm on July 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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I’ve had this for a couple of days, but perhaps today is better for rolling out the pushback from the House Republicans on the economy. Today, Barack Obama once again dishonestly claimed that Porkulus opponents wanted to “do nothing” in the face of the economic collapse, but that’s simply not true — which Obama might have learned had he leaned on Nancy Pelosi to include Republicans in the negotiations. Instead, she locked the doors, which resulted in zero GOP votes for Porkulus in the House, and only three in the Senate. House Republicans want American voters to know that they had a plan all along:

I would have liked this to be a little more detailed, but this is a good start. Obama has become vulnerable as his economic policies have failed just as quickly and completely as predicted. No one can keep track of the spending, and jobs continue to be lost at the same pace as before Porkulus. The GOP needs to keep pushing positive action plans and refuting Obama’s attempts to paint them as a Party of No.


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Govgirl, are you on staff with the RNC or something? You keep telling people they missed your point . . . People are allowed to refer to a public statement made by a public official without taking you by the hand and walking you through it. Not everyone has a vested interest in sustaining the illusion that the GOP is a vibrant force in our society.

califcon on July 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Terrye on July 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Good point on the “claiming to be conservatives” line. Also, people should not confuse the wimps in the Senate with what is left of the GOP in the House. There are some real fighters in the House (and I will even exclude Boehner and Cantor because of TARP – although it was extremely out of character for both of them to support that thing). I am just tired of the whole, “throw the baby out with the bathwater” mentality. Whine and complain on the internet, run your mouths, but not DO anything. There are elections coming up in 2010 – starting getting organized. For those of you in VA and NJ you have state elections this year – get off your butts and get busy. And before anyone asks, yes I already am doing my part, to the tune of 10+ hours a week and will right through election day. Taking back our government starts NOW!

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM

The Founding Fathers warned against political parties, that they would inevitable rip the nation asunder. These were prescient men and we have ignored them at our peril. Now we reap the whirlwind!

Archimedes on July 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Not all founding fathers agreed with this advice. It was Jefferson who started the Democratic-Republican party. John Adams was a member of the old Federalist party.

The only person who took this Rhetoric seriously was George Washington, who sadly wasn’t joined by enough people to see this advice take hold.

You would be in agreement with George Washington (as would I).

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Whine and complain on the internet, run your mouths, but not DO anything. There are elections coming up in 2010

My checkbook tells me I’ve given over $18,000 to

real, consistent

conservatives over the past two years.

Stuff it in your ear.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Govgirl, are you on staff with the RNC or something? You keep telling people they missed your point . . . People are allowed to refer to a public statement made by a public official without taking you by the hand and walking you through it. Not everyone has a vested interest in sustaining the illusion that the GOP is a vibrant force in our society.

califcon on July 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM

I am not on staff with the RNC – but I will give you credit for trying to classify me as one of “them.” And I will say it AGAIN, you are missing my point, so I will be very specific now. I could easily find the context of what Cantor said, I don’t need assistance, the point I was and am still making is that the cherry picking of one line of a statement with no context and then using it as evidence of your position is DISHONEST, have I been clear enough now? Oh, and maybe I am alone in this, but your continued refusal to post the context of Cantor’s comments leads me to believe that they negate the point gtl was trying to prove when he posted the comment.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM

It’s about time for the GOP to stand up and fight these people. All you ever hear, when the Democrats are in the minority, is about bipartisan this and that and the press leans on Republicans to do just that. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, the press is silent, of course we know why, it’s tough to make noise from inside a hip-pocket.

It’s time for the GOP to tell those people who, either didn’t vote or didn’t vote for Obama, what the Democrats think of them. How the Democrats want to make sure they have no say in the upcoming legislation that’s really going to have an affect on the way they live and their children live.

We all knew the Democrats would over-reach, just not this far, this fast.

bflat879 on July 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM

I am just tired of the whole, “throw the baby out with the bathwater” mentality. Whine and complain on the internet, run your mouths, but not DO anything. There are elections coming up in 2010 – starting getting organized. For those of you in VA and NJ you have state elections this year – get off your butts and get busy. And before anyone asks, yes I already am doing my part, to the tune of 10+ hours a week and will right through election day. Taking back our government starts NOW!

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Maybe we’re just disillusioned with spineless non-leaders like Michael Steele.

fossten on July 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM

I was not necessarily speaking directly to anyone poster, just general statements about my frustration with those who like to talk but not work.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM

fossten on July 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Why should that stop you from working for good candidates? I don’t really care for Mr. Steele either, but Mr. Steele but last time I checked he was not running for office, at least not in my state.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:06 PM

My recollection is that, for example, Rs countered The One’s cap and trade with a carbon tax scheme.

Is that the kind of plan they’d be offering
if given back power?

edshepp on July 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Fixed It

Why should that stop you from working for good candidates? I don’t really care for Mr. Steele either, but Mr. Steele, last time I checked, was not running for office, at least not in my state.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM

DISHONEST, have I been clear enough now?

So now it’s DISHONEST to make mention of the fact that one of your great GOP hopes openly pandered, on the floor of the House of Representatives, to the morons who believe in global warming, just to go on record as being, um, enlightened on the issue?

I guess it would also be DISHONEST, then to mention that Harry Reid said the war in Iraq was lost, or to mention that Nancy Pelosi said the CIA lied.

The guy said what he said – and what he said undermined the right’s case that man-caused global warming is a hoax. We’re on much firmer ground opposing cap and trade if we consistently point out that global warming is a hoax. What he said was inconsistent with that message.

If you can’t understand that, you’re either an idiot or you’re deliberately blind to what your pretty-boy rising star did, wich makes you not much different an Obammy supporter.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Cap and Trade was a carbon tax scheme – and my guess says probably not. At the moment the GOP is more into incentives like tax breaks rather then fines and tax hikes. Also, there wouldn’t even be a climate bill if the GOP was in power, and especially not one that is going to raise everyone’s electric rates by 90%.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM

The guy said what he said – and what he said undermined the right’s case that man-caused global warming is a hoax. We’re on much firmer ground opposing cap and trade if we consistently point out that global warming is a hoax. What he said was inconsistent with that message.

Precisely! Global warming/climate change is the single biggest hoax perpetrated on mankind ever. It’s astonishing that they’ve managed to pull this off and, you are so right, anyone who lends it any credence whatsoever is suspect.

califcon on July 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Ooops! GTL loses the argument by name calling.
Govgirl – 1
guntotinglibertairian – 0

rishika on July 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

rishika on July 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Now there’s a prime example of simplistic thinking.

The woman is calling me DISHONEST, and someone so obtuse that I repeatedly “miss (her) point…I , in response, imply that she might be either an idiot or a Cantor Cultie…and I lose, hmm?

Go back and read the thread, ump.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I see I hit a nerve there – as for your statement on Pelosi and Reid, yes it IS dishonest to use cherry picked comments without context. However, those were poor examples because in both cases, the context supported the statement itself.

As for Mr. Cantor, here is a link to his comments on the floor, listen to it and see for yourself. I personally think that accepting the opponents foundational assumption and STILL showing their logic to be faulty is good debate strategy and much stronger in CONVINCING people then a drum beat of global warming does not exist, especially when you are in the position of having to convince people who believe in global warming that cap and trade is a bad bill. There is a time for the hoax drumbeat, the House floor in a death match over horrific legislation is not the time. http://www.youtube.com/user/EricCantor#play/uploads/6/pJP9JujlBiM.

And for the rest of your comments, I will choose to take the high road, because anyone who cannot win a debate without calling people names, is a poor debator.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:26 PM

At the moment the GOP is more into incentives like tax breaks rather then fines and tax hikes

Incentives and tax breaks for what!!!???

For decreasing the emissions of CO2? Which have absolutely nno proven effect upon the climate???

So, by your own admission, the “GOP” is either (a) accepting a hoax or (b) just whoring a lot less than the Dems?

Shaking my head.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I see I hit a nerve there – as for your statement on Pelosi and Reid, yes it IS dishonest to use cherry picked comments without context. However, those were poor examples because in both cases, the context supported the statement itself.

As for Mr. Cantor, here is a link to his comments on the floor, listen to it and see for yourself. I personally think that accepting the opponents foundational assumption and STILL showing their logic to be faulty is good debate strategy and much stronger in CONVINCING people then a drum beat of global warming does not exist, especially when you are in the position of having to convince people who believe in global warming that cap and trade is a bad bill. There is a time for the hoax drumbeat, the House floor in a death match over horrific legislation is not the time. http://www.youtube.com/user/EricCantor#play/uploads/6/pJP9JujlBiM.

And for the rest of your comments, I will choose to take the high road, because anyone who cannot win a debate without calling people names, is a poor debator. debater.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Fixed the typo

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Now there’s a prime example of simplistic thinking.

The woman is calling me DISHONEST, and someone so obtuse that I repeatedly “miss (her) point…I , in response, imply that she might be either an idiot or a Cantor Cultie…and I lose, hmm?

Go back and read the thread, ump.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Actually I am pretty sure I posted the “missing the point” comments to your califcon.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM

because anyone who cannot win a debate without calling people names, is a poor debator.

So that’s why you called me and the guy from california DISHONEST?

At least when I called you an idiot, I didn’t put it in CAPS.

And your reasoning about Cantor, once again, is weasel-logic. By all means, don’t take a firm stance that global warming is a hoax – you might scare the penguin-loving children out there. Instead, say, openly, on the floor of the House, something you KNOW NOT TO BE TRUE and live to fight another day.

Gutless.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Govgirl is coming unhinged. Her logic is as faulty as her posting skills. And I love how she keeps insisting that we all just blather on the blogs instead of taking action. Where does she get that idea? Oh, wait, same place as the rest of them . . . from that little echo chamber atop her neck.

califcon on July 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM

At the moment the GOP is more into incentives like tax breaks rather then fines and tax hikes

Incentives and tax breaks for what!!!???

For decreasing the emissions of CO2? Which have absolutely nno proven effect upon the climate???

So, by your own admission, the “GOP” is either (a) accepting a hoax or (b) just whoring a lot less than the Dems?

Shaking my head.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM

Incentives, yes for the development of renewable energy by PRIVATE enterprise. The development of renewable energy will by default reduce carbon whatever, so it becomes a pointless argument. I am pretty sure that the GOP calls there ideas and “all of the above plan” which supports the continued use of fossil fuels and incentives to private industry to work on developing renewable energy. The whole thing is one great big, environmental, energy, security issue. All the pieces are connect, and each side has different reasons for pursuing alternative energy. The Dems was control, the GOP (at least most of them) want energy independence, etc.

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:35 PM

incentives to private industry to work on developing renewable energy.

“Incentives to private industry”. That sounds so cute and cuddly.

What it means is subsidies, with your tax dollars, of companies that could not make a profit producing said “alternatives” in a free market.

That’s worked out wonderfully with subsidized ethanol.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Govgirl is coming unhinged. Her logic is as faulty as her posting skills. And I love how she keeps insisting that we all just blather on the blogs instead of taking action. Where does she get that idea? Oh, wait, same place as the rest of them . . . from that little echo chamber atop her neck.

califcon on July 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM

This coming from the person who is simply a cheerleader for another poster, parroting what they say and trying undermine those that disagree with them by calling them names – classic. Are you sure your not really a liberal?

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Are you sure your not really a liberal?

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:42 PM

califcon, I hate to say it, buddy, but she’s really put the stake in your vampire heart with that one. Real coup de grace

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM

This coming from the person who is simply a cheerleader for another poster, parroting what they say

He’s not my parrot. He’s my sock puppet.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM

If we ever hear that dreamy Eric Cantor has gone hiking on the Appalachian Trail, I think I know into whose boudoir we might inquire…

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Yup, I’ve been outed. Those concern trolls are so smart.

califcon on July 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM

ShHe’s not my parrot. ShHe’s my sock puppet.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM

FIFY. Hope you don’t mind.

califcon on July 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Govgirl on July 11, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Question… Is CO2 driving “global warming” or climate change?

And, if not, WHY do we need alternative energy sources when we are the Saudi Arabia of both Coal, and Natural Gas?

And if we have all these resources here in America, why is the GOP NOT FIGHTING TO ALLOW DRILLING?

Romeo13 on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

And if we have all these resources here in America, why is the GOP NOT FIGHTING TO ALLOW DRILLING?

Because of the polar bears, silly. Each time we drill, a polar bear puppy dies. And that makes little children soooo sad. Say what you like about Republican Ken Dolls, but they just cannot bear to make the little children sad.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM

FIFY. Hope you don’t mind.

califcon on July 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM

My apologies, Madame.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I would have liked this to be a little more detailed, but this is a good start. *** The GOP needs to keep pushing positive action plans and refuting Obama’s attempts to paint them as a Party of No.

The problem, here, is that the GOP solution to every problem is always the buzz word of “lower taxes.” Every time it’s mentioned, people just point to the 2-3 rounds of middle class tax relief in the form of stimulus rebate checks… Everyone used the rebate checks to pay down indebtedness, which is a very prudent financial move, but doesn’t do much to stimulate the economy. Of course, Obama pissing away $800 billion on Porkulus doesn’t do much for the economy, either.

Republicans need to pick out what they perceive to be the three biggest barriers to economic recovery–whatever they might be. The Republcans then need to propose a legislative change to eliminate those barriers… My guess is that you could fiddle with the carry-forward rules for capital loss deductions, offer zero-interest government loans for capital development, and do environmental regulatory reform and you could stimulate growth. But you gotta say something besides nondescript “tax cuts!!”

Outlander on July 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM

this is a good start

True, but that’s all it is. The GOP needs to show some real leadership and the gloves need to come off if it expects to start winning elections again.

infidel4life on July 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Republicans need to pick out what they perceive to be the three biggest barriers to economic recovery–whatever they might be.

Outlander on July 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM

How about…

Government meddling in business’s, so no one knows what to expect.

Government not allowing us to drill for our own energy.

Government having higher Taxes than most other countries (so its hard to compete)….

So, three biggest problems? Government, Government, and Government.

Romeo13 on July 11, 2009 at 6:36 PM

When is the GOP going to stop letting the Commies set the debate? Global warming, Global warming. Global warming is a complete and utter fraud. When is the GOP going to take the pruning shears to the Federal Government. Nixon’s EPA needs a major budget reduction, the socialist re-education department needs to be gutted.

Kjeil on July 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Actually – I don’t remember that the GOP had a plan at all. I remember one coming out and people saying things about it – but I never heard the press really denounce it.

And that’s a key metric … press denunciation. If there wasn’t any – then there wasn’t much in the plan for them to attack.

Just sayin’

HondaV65 on July 11, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Ooops! GTL loses the argument by name calling.
Govgirl – 1
guntotinglibertairian – 0

rishika on July 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM

We’ll let you know when you’re in charge.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 8:26 PM

And that’s a key metric … press denunciation. If there wasn’t any – then there wasn’t much in the plan for them to attack.

Just sayin’

HondaV65 on July 11, 2009 at 8:16 PM

That’s actually a great insight. When an alternate plan is put forth, the press actually does trash it.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Unfortunately, no matter how spectacularly Obama fails the MSM will make it look like a smashing success. They almost succeeded in doing the opposite to Reagen. Thankfully the truth prevailed and today even liberals try to use his name to get votes.

paraff on July 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM

We’ll let you know when you’re in charge.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Well, I was humbled and chargined by her call.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 8:40 PM

GOP you’re getting there. Who knows I may give you some of my money again if you can pull your head far enough out of your out of the sand.

Mojave Mark on July 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM

Guten Tag, Vntnrse! Wie gehts Ihnen heute? Ich habe Deutsch
auch lernen in Hochschule! Und, so wie Sie, es folgt Ich kann Spanisch nicht sprechen.

Ich lebe nur 15 von die Mexikan Grenze, im Lemon Grove- leben sie wo- nahe Miramar?

BillH on July 11, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Hi Bill! I was stationed at Miramar when I first came here in the first fleet F-14 squadron when Miramar was still an NAS….but you might as well call it Miramar….we’re in Santee….the helos and F-18’s go right over our house in the landing pattern! :)

(by the way I’m so rusty at Deutsch that I had to have my daughter translate the finer points! That was more then 30 years ago! rotfl!!!!! I did get most of it though….. ;)

Vntnrse on July 11, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Suggested Republican motto;

“Are you better off now than you were seven months ago?”

Star20 on July 11, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Now that we can’t do anything as a political party we finally have a plan? When we had control for 8 years what was our plan for Health Care? What about that disaster of a plan for immigration? Our plan for the economy was non-existant until this crisis began and it was the same, but smaller, than Obama’s. How many republicans backed that plan? ALOT. Now they claim to have offered a different plan? They made their claim to a different plan illegitimate after backing TARP1. Sorry. I’m not convinced.

MichiganMatt on July 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Now that we can’t do anything as a political party we finally have a plan? When we had control for 8 years what was our plan for Health Care? What about that disaster of a plan for immigration? Our plan for the economy was non-existant until this crisis began and it was the same, but smaller, than Obama’s. How many republicans backed that plan? ALOT. Now they claim to have offered a different plan? They made their claim to a different plan illegitimate after backing TARP1. Sorry. I’m not convinced.

MichiganMatt on July 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Hello, and welcome to Hot Air;

When we had control for 8 6 years what was our plan for Health Care?

Continuing to have the very best health care in the world.

If you mean, what did we plan to do about how health care is funded, that’s different.

Our plan was to let market forces work.

What about that disaster of a plan for immigration?

That was a disaster; so-called moderate Republicans worked with Democrats on a plan that the American people didn’t like. Thankfully, President Bush didn’t appoint an immigration czar, or legalize illegal immigration by executive order.

Our plan for the economy was non-existant until this crisis began

Before it was a disaster, there were some warning signs; some tried to put controls and limits on the parts of the economy that were spinning out of control (do the research on Fannie and Freddie;) Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, along with the Democratic congressional leadership, stopped them.

Sorry.

Apology accepted.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM

Now that we can’t do anything as a political party we finally have a plan? When we had control for 8 years what was our plan for Health Care? What about that disaster of a plan for immigration? Our plan for the economy was non-existant until this crisis began and it was the same, but smaller, than Obama’s. How many republicans backed that plan? ALOT. Now they claim to have offered a different plan? They made their claim to a different plan illegitimate after backing TARP1. Sorry. I’m not convinced.

MichiganMatt on July 11, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Hello, and welcome to Hot Air;

When we had control for 8 6 years what was our plan for Health Care?

Continuing to have the very best health care in the world.

If you mean, what did we plan to do about how health care is funded, that’s different.

Our plan was to let market forces work.

What about that disaster of a plan for immigration?

That was a disaster; so-called moderate Republicans worked with Democrats on a plan that the American people didn’t like. Thankfully, President Bush didn’t appoint an immigration czar, or legalize illegal immigration by executive order.

Our plan for the economy was non-existant until this crisis began

Before it was a disaster, there were some warning signs; some tried to put controls and limits on the parts of the economy that were spinning out of control (do the research on Fannie and Freddie;) Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, along with the Democratic congressional leadership, stopped them.

Sorry.

Apology accepted.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Hi Bill! I was stationed at Miramar when I first came here in the first fleet F-14 squadron when Miramar was still an NAS….but you might as well call it Miramar….we’re in Santee….the helos and F-18’s go right over our house in the landing pattern! :)

(by the way I’m so rusty at Deutsch that I had to have my daughter translate the finer points! That was more then 30 years ago! rotfl!!!!! I did get most of it though….. ;)

Vntnrse on July 11, 2009 at 9:53 PM

Helos and F18’s aren’t noise, they’re the sound of freedom-
you know that :)
I came back to San Diego in ‘77 after my dad retired from the Corps. I always liked the reaction from people when I tell them his last duty station was Leavenworth (there IS a reason for that).

Sorgen Sie nicht uber seiner Deutsch- mine is also pretty bad. Just useful enough to order some parts from Germany. I have in the ensuing time learned enough Spanish to order a taco without having my face slapped :O

BillH on July 11, 2009 at 10:23 PM

I didn’t call it noise! I love it! Makes me think back to younger days!!! hee hee hee!!!

The only spanish I know would get my face slapped!!!

Leavenorth is not duty! That’s torture! NOT for the prisoners, for the staff!!!

Vntnrse on July 11, 2009 at 11:22 PM

My stimulus package:

A one year income tax holiday for ALL US citizens.

Total cost: $800 billion.

hmmmm hey, wait a minute! Isn’t that what porkulus costed? err minus the interest

Libertarian Joseph on July 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

When is the GOP going to stop letting the Commies set the debate? Global warming, Global warming. Global warming is a complete and utter fraud. When is the GOP going to take the pruning shears to the Federal Government. Nixon’s EPA needs a major budget reduction, the socialist re-education department needs to be gutted.

Kjeil on July 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Kjeil=Sanity

Red State State of Mind on July 11, 2009 at 11:50 PM

My stimulus package:

A one year income tax holiday for ALL US citizens.

Total cost: $800 billion.

hmmmm hey, wait a minute! Isn’t that what porkulus costed? err minus the interest

Libertarian Joseph on July 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

During the Stimulus debate, I almost fell out of my chair when I saw a clip of Senator Kerry saying (approximately) that ‘ we can’t trust that the citizens will spend the money correctly if we just give it back to them’….I don’t remember the exact quote, but it was in effect what I’ve written.

Red State State of Mind on July 11, 2009 at 11:51 PM

During the Stimulus debate, I almost fell out of my chair when I saw a clip of Senator Kerry saying (approximately) that ‘ we can’t trust that the citizens will spend the money correctly if we just give it back to them’….I don’t remember the exact quote, but it was in effect what I’ve written.

Red State State of Mind on July 11, 2009 at 11:51 PM

ha no surprise. I think dems don’t want real tax cuts because they know they can’t get away with taxing the hell out of everyone in order to help pay for all of their worthless programs.

Libertarian Joseph on July 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM

I mean that they know that the people won’t tolerate their tax hikes once they get a taste of real tax cuts. They fear that. They don’t care if it increases revenues, they don’t want to gut their worthless vote buying programs.

Libertarian Joseph on July 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM

Video: GOP had a plan

Me too!

1. 1 year tax holiday
2. gut federal spending on social programs, eliminate most of the abc departments
3. try to extend the tax holiday, if unable to, then switch to a flat tax and set a low rate. It has worked out well for eastern european countries. I think it’s the best statist tax system on the market. I’d prefer to have nothing, but I know that’s not even popular in the anti-tax GOP.

4. privatize roads to pay fund what’s left of the budget.

5. modernize/upgrade military

6. start using strategic foreign. why are we sending billions to Iran in aid? I heard about this. Makes no sense. I’m not a big fan of foreign aid, but if done, it should at least be in national interest

7. “energy independence” which means deregulate the energy industry so we can get some damn power plants built

just for starters. yeah, preaching to the choir … blah

Libertarian Joseph on July 12, 2009 at 12:14 AM

I personally think that accepting the opponents foundational assumption and STILL showing their logic to be faulty is good debate strategy… GovGirl

Hmmm, yeah, just about as “good a strategy” as shooting your foot off in the middle of a foot race! What the Cantor said was that “removing C02 from the atmosphere was a Nobel endeavor Nobel endeavor my arse, and polls show that most US voters feel the same way about this CO2/Global Warming hoax!

This abject surrender of intellectual and political principle is just another example of the GOP moderate wing bending over and kissing the opposition’s warts lovingly! No damn wonder the Republican party evokes “0″ respect from the conservative wing.

There was absolutely NO need for Cantor to punch the Democrat’s Carbon Tax ticket. Pssst Just STFU if you think this justification for a taxpayer rip-off is such a Peach! How long will it take the Left to throw Cantor’s “CO2 Nobel Endevor” description back in his face? The GOP continues as a party that is unequipped to fight this statist enemy and win — just more of the same Juan McCain ass-up strategery that left US sucking hind tit during the last campaign.

“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on July 12, 2009 at 12:31 AM

What I keep hearing from the Democrats is that they inherited a worse mess than they thought.

What I haven’t heard from the Republicans is that the Democratic policies have made this mess, and are continuing to make it even worse.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 12, 2009 at 4:19 AM

guntotinglibertarian

Yes, less of a whore is still a whore and we should turn our backs on any Republican who exhibits gutless whorishness as they will turn from high-dollar call-girl to two-bit crack whore at the drop of a campaign contribution.
But I think you are assuming too much to think Govgirl supports ethanol subsidies as “incentives”. Remember, any tax break could be considered a subsidy of sorts.
I think you two are aiming for the same end result. You, my libertarian friend, are less willing to compromise along the way while Govgirl may see herself as the more pragmatic. Every time the Republicans have “compromised” with the Dems, they paste another “kick me” sign on their own backs. But at least they get invited to Sunday chat shows for it. What more should they expect?

SKYFOX on July 12, 2009 at 8:40 AM

The problem with this ad is that it tries to both criticize the stimulus package andtout their own plan.

This is a lot to cover in a single political ad…especially if the writers of the ad feel compelled to drill the main point multiple times and include slow-printing text on the screen (as so many ads are oft want to do).

The part about their own plan was especially weak. Create jobs how, I would ask (if I were the opposition).

ynot4tony2 on July 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM

ynot4tony2 on July 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Government should always be on the look out on ways to cut jobs from government IMO. The way to help facliliate economic growth (job creation) is by cutting taxes and deregulating industries. You can also increase the level of good jobs by privatizing things and using those funds to fill budget gaps. The free market runs roads a lot better than government. John Stossel had a special on it on 20/20

Libertarian Joseph on July 12, 2009 at 9:35 AM

facilitate*

Libertarian Joseph on July 12, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Precisely! Global warming/climate change is the single biggest hoax perpetrated on mankind ever. It’s astonishing that they’ve managed to pull this off and, you are so right, anyone who lends it any credence whatsoever is suspect.
califcon on July 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM

I agree and disagree- The evidence that C02 is rising has good evidence. The connection that it is causing global warming is not by far proven. Humans causing rise in CO2 maybe but the solutions by the liberals are insane, dangerous and dose nothing to improve the environment. The Human CO2 connection is the weight of Carbon that was sequestered in form of coal and oil that was removed and burned into Atmosphere. Cap and Trade and other international carbon laws are not environment fixes, they are wealth distribution schemes. Giving exemptions to China is the biggest environmental hypocrisy of them all, as anyone who has visited China interior will tell you. Smoke from coal heating and cooking has filled the air. I awoke in my 5 star hotel and thought the place was on fire, until I realized it was the pollution. A smart conservative way is called Bio-Char. Many start up companies have already the solution to sequestering carbon and other economic benefits. Bio-Char (charcoal ) is a method of making charcoal from agricultural waste and then using it as fertilizer mix to improve crop yields by 20%. The by products is Bio-Oil and the gas (Methane) which is used it self for making Bio-Char and extra left over for sale or local generation of electricity. As conservative we must not let liberals to paint us as anti-environment. They are the ones to take a real issue like race and environment and subvert it into some insane scheme which doses nothing to protect or correct and gives them continuing issues to make careers out of. Race should be colour blind issue and environment should be based on sound science that first doses no harm. We must show a smarter way. Liberals think humans are not part of environment and would let their children be eaten by mountain lions for the greater good of the environment. Nature adapts to changes. The earth seeks balance. Some species need to be extinct as they are not fit for future. Liberals would like to bring back dinosaurs so they could eat their kids also. Not to say I want mountain lions to go extinct. Conservatives love the environment we are just not into tree sex. No one wants pollution.

Ed Laskie on July 12, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Libertarian Joseph on July 12, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Exactly we need to eliminate the following federal department and agencies- USDA, DOC, ED, HHS, HUD, DOL, DOI, DOT, DEA,and ATF we then could cut way back on DOJ and Federal courts. I would also limit DHS. Give rights back to states and let federal government handle foreign affairs and limited domestics issues like DOE and assisting states with interstate issues. States already have laws for crimes that are now federal also. FBI should be used as resource for states only for inter state serial killers and such. Federal Marshals have become tax police letting federal government steal your belongings. We also need to help support freedom of other people around the world in our own interest. If we don’t step up to task no one will and it will come back to us in some negative way. I think that abortion is a states rights issue but don’t think it is right. A woman has right to say no, right to say do not enter, right to say use condom or other birth control, but once she has given right to an act that most likely will result in pregnancy, then the developing child has rights to life. Treasury needs to be limited to task of keeping long term inflation at zero and nothing else like ensuring full employment. LET THE MARKET FREE!!! CATO has good stuff on this. SS and Medicare has people already invested their money but should be privatized. Health care should be portable state to state and job to job, with some kind of unemployment insurance bridge over component. NO SINGLE PAYER DOCTOR Kevorkian run system. Obama regime is as far from the above as we have gotten so far in our history. We need to take our country back or God help US!!

Ed Laskie on July 12, 2009 at 10:33 AM

The ad is too long. They spent too much time talking about the fact that the Obama stimulus HASN’T done its job. They could have cut 30 seconds out of that part, kept the part about the GOP plan, and been much more effective in less time (which is expensive for ads).

Steve Z on July 12, 2009 at 12:51 PM

any tax break could be considered a subsidy of sorts.

Please, please, please do not go down that road. That is the reasoning of the Dems: government, by right, commands 100% of your income and any level less than 100% constitutes a “tax break”.

Domestic ethanol, by the way, benefits from more than just a “tax break” – it benefits from prohibitive tariffs which exclude Brazil’s more efficient sugar-based ethanol. (Not that I am for ethanol, period.)

Our tax system is a nightmare of smoke, mirrors and special-interest looting. The Republicans play that game along with the Dems.

What we need is a flat tax, a “fair tax” or – preferably – repeal of the 16th Amendment.

We also need to assure that the 60% of families who are essentially paying zero income tax contribute a reasonable amount to pay for the the cost of government. If they are not required to pay for those costs, they will demand infinite expansion of the size of government.

What we do not need is for the Republicans to come up with more cockamamie subsidies for alternative energy.

Govgirl isn’t a bad sort, but her assertion that those of us who choose to hold Republican politicians’ feet to the fire are DISHONEST is irritating, to say the least.

I realize that there has been much buzz about Eric Cantor as some dreamy rising star in the GOP, but his statement on the House floor about the “noble” effort to reduce greenhouse gases just tells me – as it tells you – that he’d be perfectly happy to bend over for anyone who will give him some Sunday air time.

guntotinglibertarian on July 12, 2009 at 9:43 PM

It just occurred to me that another amateurish note to this GOP ad is the “1.96 million jobs lost” headline.

Retailers since the dawn of the Republic have understood that prices domininated as $1.95 or $1.99 – or $1.96 – seem, to the consumer – to be substantially less than $2.00.

I realize that the GOP tries to be the “honest party”, but what the hell… that headline should have read, “2 million jjobs lost”>

guntotinglibertarian on July 12, 2009 at 10:50 PM

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