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Is “disruption” illegal?

posted at 9:36 am on July 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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The controversy over flag-burning has fueled a debate for decades, but what about flag flying?  It depends on how it’s done, as an Iraq war veteran embroiled in a local licensing dispute discovered.  When Vito Congine flew it upside down over his new restaurant to protest the denial of a liquor license, the police seized it — and the ACLU wants to know why (h/t HA reader Roger B):

An American flag flown upside down as a protest in a northern Wisconsin village was seized by police before a Fourth of July parade and the businessman who flew it — an Iraq war veteran — claims the officers trespassed and stole his property.

A day after the parade, police returned the flag and the man’s protest — over a liquor license — continued.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin is considering legal action against the village of Crivitz for violating Vito Congine Jr.’s’ First Amendment rights, Executive Director Chris Ahmuty said.

The police had an interesting justification:

Marinette County Sheriff Jim Kanikula said it was not illegal to fly the flag upside down but people were upset and it was the Fourth of July.

“It is illegal to cause a disruption,” he said.

Is it really?  Disturbing the peace usually requires more than just a protest that annoys other people.  Otherwise, as a moment’s thought would make clear, the First Amendment right to peaceably assemble and to conduct free speech would be meaningless.  It’s a point we make often when pushing back against speech codes and political correctness run amuck.  The right to free speech cannot depend on it being so banal as to not annoy someone in the population.  If a protest speech didn’t get on someone’s nerves, it would be pointless.  The only demonstrations anyone could have would be on behalf of sunny days and apple pie … organic, low-carb apple pie.

In this case, Corgine flew his flag on his own property in a manner that would have offended me had I seen it.  However, having the police enter his property and seize the flag offends me far more than Corgine’s display.  Corgine has a right to protest in a peaceful, non-violent manner, especially on his own property, even if doing so annoys and offends others.

The ACLU would be right to take this case.  The county of Marinette would be smarter to settle it quickly before it gets that far.

Update: I agree with the commenters who say that this was a pretty insipid way to protest a liquor license denial.  That’s hardly a national crisis.   However, under the First Amendment, people have a right to protest, even in insipid ways … which we see pretty much every day.


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Flying a flag upside down is a distress symbol. They should have mobilized the entire police force, ambulances, fire department, and every first responder. Then when they found it was for protest, sent him a huge bill.

It’s like pulling a fire alarm with no fire.

rightside on July 11, 2009 at 9:52 AM

My sentiments exactly — About 2 years ago I rolled down my window with phone in hand and asked a kid in the next car if he needed me to call 911. He looked stunned, ask what for. I pointed out that his flag decal upside down was a symbol of imminent distress and asked if he was sure he didn’t need the police. Then the light changed and he drove off in his blissful liberal cocoon.

Like pulling a fire alarm.
David

LifeTrek on July 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM

You might want to take a peak at http://www.jeffhead.com/liberty/flagdistress.htm

Quoting Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10 As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress Approved July 7, 1976, Section 176:

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

Mr. Congine is being disingenuous when he claims trespass. You don’t send out a cry for help and then claim trespass when help arrives. Now, they shouldn’t have seized his flag, but he should have flown it correctly, or he could have flown a Culpepper, Gadsden or the first Navy jack with the Don’t Tread on Me rattlesnake in any orientation he wished.

I R A Darth Aggie on July 11, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Update: I agree with the commenters who say that this was a pretty insipid way to protest a liquor license denial. That’s hardly a national crisis. However, under the First Amendment, people have a right to protest, even in insipid ways … which we see pretty much every day.

Cap’n, the distress signal of a flag upside down flows from the naval tradition and was never meant to indicate, “a national crisis.” That is a misuse of the flag and the distress signal. It also wasn’t meant as a means of protesting a liquor license.

Whether flown over a fort, a town, a ship, or a home. It was meant as a short term signal for help!

It is simply not a valid symbol of, “protest.”

That it is used as such, even by some conservatives under the Obamanation is disrespectful to the tradition and meaning of the flag.

“”I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
(Quaint little pledgey thing we used to say every now and again.)
David

LifeTrek on July 11, 2009 at 6:45 PM

The Cubs ballcap that I live in has a flag pin on it that I’ve turned upside down. My former USMC husband would rather that I wear it correctly…and I will…as of Obama’s last day.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 11, 2009 at 7:21 PM

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

Mr. Congine is being disingenuous when he claims trespass. You don’t send out a cry for help and then claim trespass when help arrives. Now, they shouldn’t have seized his flag, but he should have flown it correctly, or he could have flown a Culpepper, Gadsden or the first Navy jack with the Don’t Tread on Me rattlesnake in any orientation he wished.

I R A Darth Aggie on July 11, 2009 at 6:24 PM

hmm, seem to remember a quote from Reagan…..something along the lines be wary of “we’re from the government and we are here to help.”
A distress to property is fitting…he was calling out a distress signal to the people…not to the police.

Conservative Voice on July 11, 2009 at 8:01 PM

not that he couldn’t find a better way to protest…

Conservative Voice on July 11, 2009 at 8:03 PM

As has already been pointed out, flying the flag upside down is a distress signal.

This is akin to yelling, “FIRE!” in a crowded theater.

Kevin from Ohio in V on July 11, 2009 at 8:57 PM

As has already been pointed out, flying the flag upside down is a distress signal.

This is akin to yelling, “FIRE!” in a crowded theater.

Kevin from Ohio in V on July 11, 2009 at 8:57 PM

That isn’t the sole reason to fly the flag upside down. It’s also a protest aimed at the government for putting the country in distress. Still, it really doesn’t fit in this case, but it did get him attention that’s for sure.

Spiritk9 on July 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM

I R A Darth Aggie on July 11, 2009 at 6:24 PM

I like the arguement. Don’t call for help and then complain when the help arrives.

Nice shot.

Hog Wild on July 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM

This past January, on Inauguration Day, my neighbor down the street flew his American Flag upside down, which I saw as a very appropriate form of protest.

Red State State of Mind on July 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM

I think most here missed the most important thing. Mr. Congine served in Iraq. He has earned the right to fly his flag anyway he wants. He is another brother doing a job most American will not do.

Claimsratt on July 11, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Ed hates puppies!

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csdeven on July 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Maybe he was drunk and thought it was right side up?

profitsbeard on July 11, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Claimsratt on July 11, 2009 at 10:24 PM

actually, he’s American…the right isn’t earned, its recognized.

Conservative Voice on July 11, 2009 at 11:44 PM

We ALL should be flying our flags upside-down in distress but not over some piddly excuse as a denial of a liquor license. We are living in the Fascist States of America, Obama thinks he’s Adolf Hitler and the Congress thinks they are the 4th Reich.
If you DON’T get this, just compare every Hotair Post on everything that Obama and the Democrats in Congress have done, or attempted to accomplish for the past 6 months with the Nazi Party Platform.
http://people.westminstercollege.edu/faculty/mmarkowski/H113/AH/platform.html
The Democrats are the Nazis and unfortunately, the GOP have become the scapegoat, just like the Jews were blamed for everything by the Nazis….History DOES repeat itself.

nelsonknows on July 12, 2009 at 2:22 AM

“In this case, Corgine flew his flag on his own property in a manner that would have offended me had I seen it.”

It would have made me curious and I would have tried to find out what the flag-fliers point was that he was trying to make.

Then, flying the flag upside down as a symbol of distress may have been over the top. How about putting up a sign and try to gain public support that way?

JabbaTheTutt on July 12, 2009 at 7:38 AM

Mr. Congine is being disingenuous when he claims trespass. You don’t send out a cry for help and then claim trespass when help arrives.

Normally when you call 911 for help, “real” or not, the authorities don’t seize your phone once they arrive and don’t like what they find.

UncleOlaf on July 12, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Mr. Congine is being disingenuous when he claims trespass. You don’t send out a cry for help and then claim trespass when help arrives.

Did they ask him what the problem was and how they could help? No, they went in and took the flag because they didn’t like it. This would be akin to calling 911 and having the responders come into your house, drink all your beer and then leave. Swing and a miss.

Pablo on July 12, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Then, flying the flag upside down as a symbol of distress may have been over the top. How about putting up a sign and try to gain public support that way?

That would probably be more effective. However, you’re not obligated to be effective in your messaging (excepting misleading advertising), and you’re not to be penalized by the state for ineffective speech.

Pablo on July 12, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Cops in Wisconsin are getting out of control. They had NO right to disrupt a protest just like the suburban Milwaukee cops had no right sending an attack letter to a citizen of the particular suburb, including profane language, on police department letterhead paper, because that citizen was found out to have attended a Tea Party.

Jeff from WI on July 12, 2009 at 1:55 PM

munseym, try United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag – section 8:

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

LifeTrek on July 13, 2009 at 2:16 AM

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