If You Like Putting Sterilants in Our Water and Forcing “Undesirables” to Have Abortions, Have We Got a Science Czar for You

posted at 3:07 pm on July 11, 2009 by Jim Treacher

...in addition to the factors of youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills, it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included, to impart the required principles of leadership and tradition.Zombietime, dependable chronicler of leftwing folly, has a real doozy for us this time. It turns out that John Holdren, Obama’s new “science czar,” has expressed some unusually radical ideas about stemming population growth. Or to put it more simply, he’s a totalitarian eugenicist:

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A “Planetary Regime” with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology — informally known as the United States’ Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives — using an armed international police force.

Please read the whole thing for the details, along with photographic proof that Holdren’s book, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment, exists. Holdren really did say all that stuff, and he even lists the book in his curriculum vitae. If he’s changed his mind about these things in the last 30 years, now might be a good time to say so.

These days, Holdren’s focus is on global warming (or climate change, or whichever euphemism they’ve come up with this week). Which seems odd: If you’re worried about overpopulation, wouldn’t you want to encourage global warming? A nice flood would sure clear out all those undesirables.

Maybe Holdren should start building an ark. Sounds like he’s already got his passenger list.

P.S. Interesting discussion in the comments at Zomblog.

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venividivici on July 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM

The elites who like to “play scientist” envision that technology will reach a critical mass very soon. The goal is to time it just right so they can make redundant as many people as possible who are polluting the planet with both their existence and potential resistance. They can run the planet with a skeleton crew of technically-trained true believers in the cult. The people left after the purge would get to have access to any organ they need on demand for example, grow food in labs if needed, all that crap. The goal is to conquer death, while using the power of death to control both human and political evolution. Sorry folks, it’s time to get real cause it’s about to hit the fan.

If you want to learn more, watch this movie and you’ll see the roadmap for the Age of Transitions. It gets going about 5 mins into it and is great from there on out. Hot Air should feature it on the site sooner rather than later.

Brief description:

Converging technology, transhumanism, and our future in the making. The cutting edge group known as transhumanists see a beautiful future brought about by artificial intelligence, life extension, and cybernetics. What one must realize before getting carried away with such utopian dreams is that transhumanism was born out of the elitist pseudo-science eugenics. This documentary provides vital information on the history of eugenics and its new cutting edge transformation.

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM

You get that idea from Virginia Postrel, by any chance? I recall having read something similar in a book of hers, many years ago. (The title was The Future and its Enemies, if I recall correctly.)

No. I never heard of her. I came to that conclusion after living on Israeli kibbutzim and seeing how their ideas crumbled with the growth of the populations (forcing stratification in housing and resources) and the changes around them.

One of the economists whose work I follow wrote that the attitudes of the New Left are a consequence of the failure of the socialist pipe dreams of the Old Left. The quote was something to the effect of, “having witnessed the failure of social engineering, they now seek to ban all engineering.”

Heh. I like that.

Another economist whose work I follow wrote that Darwin got the idea for natural selection in biology from Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand. Conservatives would be able to bring up Darwin to oppose the left’s ideas of “Intelligently Designing” the economy if they weren’t so busy agitating for creationism in biology.

hicsuget on July 11, 2009 at 6:05 PM

I use Darwin (though I am really more of a Wallace evolutionist, myself – much more expansive). I use both evolutionary and capitalist theory to argue against the idea of the UN (empowered, peerless, competitionless entities are guaranteed to grow in grotesque and destructive ways) – though common sense should really suffice, too.

I don’t see conservatives (social/religious/whatever) agitating for creationism. For me, while I am an evolutionist, I see the denigration of creationists and ID people to be a matter of disrespect. I support the creationists’ rights to have their views aired (they’re only asking for a little mention here and there), especially seeing how there are so many other groups that the public schools go out of their way to lie in favor of. Though I feel that if the locality wants to have full blown ID in their public schools, then that is certainly their right – I’m very much against the nationalization, in terms of controls and standards, of public education.

But I get your point, here, and it’s a good one. Most conservatives are capitalists, though, so they have little problem arguing against centralized planning for the economy/society. I doubt that many would like your idea of labeling it “Intelligent Design” instead of centralized planning, but it’s interesting. It cuts both ways. You can tick off just about everyone with that.

One thing I’ve always thought was odd was that liberals, who push evolutionary theory on high schoolers as if it were the only thing in the world, have, themselves, never seen an evolutionary pressure they didn’t think they knew better than. They know which species need to live and die and what temperature the Earth should be … If there were liberal amoeba around in the beginning, this world never would have gotten to multi-cellular organisms.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Restoring science nonsense to its proper place.

jimmy2shoes on July 11, 2009 at 6:13 PM

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FIFY

Americannodash on July 11, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Ideas have consequences.

These are the people who edit news papers…

who teach college courses…

who own the entertainment industry.

This is nothing, NOTHING new…it has been tolerated and latent…given slow power. No, they will not let go now…not when they actually have technology to finally control the way they’ve always wanted to.

Mommypundit on July 11, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Brave New World by Aldous Huxely – reread it. We are headed there.

Our recently departed Robert la Strange McNamera used his position as head of – was it the world bank? to force birth control on poor nations as a condition of receiving aid. He proposed birth control in the food supply and water and forced abortions as a way to get the number of people down quickly.

This nightmare thinking has been around for decades and it is quietly accepted among a certain set of people that it’s coming to a town near you. We reviled Hitler because he “took Eugenics too far” because it was mostly adults and older children who were gassed. But it’s prefectly ok if it’s babies. Hitler could only have dreamed of wiping 40 million plus people of undesirable origins off the face of the earth. These people who play games of moral equivalence are not capable of seeing the parallel goals and same brutal means to reach them being used here. They don’t see anything they believe or do as a crime against humanity. Why is that?

BrideOfRove on July 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM

All fits very nicely with the Presidente Pinnoichio (the filthy liar) stance on abortion anytime even up until the 9th mont his voting for letting babys die without care in botched abortions.

I wonder what the Pope and the Catholics that voted for Pinnochio have to say about this.

I don’t suppose they will be euthanizing RINO’s or Democrats any time soon, so’s I guess I had might just as well buy some more ammo and send some donations to SarahPac!

dhunter on July 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM

Come on…does anybody really think that this could ever happen in the U.S.?

No,, of course not.
We will always be free just because we always have been in the past.
We really don’t have to do anything to remain a free nation. We just always will be. That’s just the way it’s always been. It just keeps happening on its own, over and over.
Now remember,, it’s best not to think too much about things like that, anyway. Thinking thoughts like that can cause stress. Stress is unhealthy and can lead to sickness. And we all know what happens when we get ourselves sick,, we end up in the hospital. We don’t want to do that, now do we. We all remember what happened last time you starting thinking thoughts, posting things on HotAir and got yourself sick and had to talk to the nice doctor. So, take your medicine and do not trouble yourself about those kinds of thoughts anymore. The Thought Czar will be thinking those thoughts for us. See how easy it all is? Now, go back to sleep.

JellyToast on July 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM

C’mon… this movie was only made in ‘97… hint hint.

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Men in Black. Good script.

theCork on July 11, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Hey Thuja, were are you? You’re a eugenicist. Aren’t you going to defend Holdren?

theCork on July 11, 2009 at 6:39 PM

I’m so glad Science has been restored to its proper place: Malthusian prophecies, Deep Ecology quackery, and anti-human extermination regimes.

Lehosh on July 11, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I wonder how this all fits in with Pinnochios’ envisioned national healthcare?

Kind of along the lines of the auto dealers closings?

If you get sick and are Republican you die? If you get sick and are Obama supporter you get a medical bailout kind of like the unions in the stimulooosa?

After all the country can’t afford to treat everyone just the deserving (Obamabots)!

Seriously, this guy needs to be gotten rid of!

If I dissappear off of here you’ll know the Pinnochio’s agents hauled me of to solitary or for a dirt nap. More Ammo Please!

dhunter on July 11, 2009 at 6:46 PM

All of these draconian measures were posited as possibilities if – and it was a big “if” even for Erlich – the overpopulation crisis were upon us and runaway growth was about to cause catastrophe. They were not, as Treacher and Zombie imply, being advocated as something to be employed as a matter of course. Holdren was not advocating these measures as matters of public policy in normal times.

Oh, normal times like… now? I thought Holdren was a “global warming expert.” There always seems to be some sort of crisis that requires us to just do what we’re told without asking questions. In fact, doesn’t this administration have a publicly admitted motto to that effect?

But if you’re going to criticize the guy – and he should be criticized – let’s do it on the facts and not exaggerate for the sake of political attacks. That’s the tactic of the left, not of reasoned criticism which should be the hallmark of the right.

rick moran on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Physician, heal thyself.

Jim Treacher on July 11, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Samuel Adams
Our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty.

JellyToast on July 11, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Physician, heal thyself.

Jim Treacher on July 11, 2009 at 6:58 PM

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Hmmmmmmmmmm

Americannodash on July 11, 2009 at 7:03 PM

Unelected… Unaccountable… Responsible to no one… In a position of power.

Good Grief

franksalterego on July 11, 2009 at 7:04 PM

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM watch this movie

Wow. still watching….Thanks

katy on July 11, 2009 at 7:04 PM

Katy, that’s the reaction I get from every person I’ve told so far.

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 7:07 PM

ginaswo on July 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM

The only people exploding the population in Eurabia (Great Britain and the Continent) are Muslims. The argument could be turned against the fools cited in the article by implying that they are proposing genocide. Wouldn’t that turnabout incite some grief for them?

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Mark Steyn has these fools pegged right.

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Men in Black. Good script.

theCork on July 11, 2009 at 6:37 PM

+1!

We have a winner!

You aren’t pretending to be a scientist – are you? Because that would be cruel.

BrideOfRove on July 11, 2009 at 6:22 PM

I’m doing research as an undergrad in physics at the BYU.

I’m researching primarily into nanocrystalline structures.

I guess that counts as me being a scientist. I hope it does… I’d hate to be cruel.

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Sort of amusing how Rick Moran pops in acting all jealous and takes a cheap shot at Treacher.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 7:18 PM

The elites who like to “play scientist” envision that technology will reach a critical mass very soon. The goal is to time it just right so they can make redundant as many people as possible who are polluting the planet with both their existence and potential resistance. They can run the planet with a skeleton crew of technically

Interesting. That reminds of a while back when I was an IT director for a university. One of the other universities hired a hot shot It director who was, shall we say, eccentric. There were a bunch of colleges and universities in a consortium and the IT directors got together for a monthly meeting.

At our first meeting, he launched into a diatribe about “Meat” and “Gears”.. ie that the tech weenies “Gears” were destined to control society and use the no techies “Meat” as they saw fit. Interesting thoughts from a guy hired by a christian university.

The guy was also a major league BS’er. I got called into the president’s office one day (A nun) and she demanded to know why I didn’t come up with an infrastructure plan like he did. Fortunately I had a stack of evidence showing what he was selling was snake oil. Even so, I still was getting the evil eye at meetings from Sister President.

About a couple of months later, it turned out that he was escorted off his campus by security. Turns out there was some nepotism and some no bid contracts that ended up in his pockets.

At the time I was pretty much into the martial arts and the guy gave me the serious creeps. I followed the sayings of the Marines when I was around him “Be polite but have a plan to immediately kill him”. What he was talking about with the “Meat” and “gears” crap was somewhere between genocide and slavery. BTW – I found one of his published pieces which was pretty creepy and gave that to Sister President.. Never got a reaction from her about it either.

Anyway, the discussion of Holdren is dredging up some memories for me.

bullseye on July 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM

But if you’re going to criticize the guy – and he should be criticized – let’s do it on the facts and not exaggerate for the sake of political attacks.

rick moran on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Exaggerate? In what sense?

The facts are that this guy wrote a book about the circumstances under which he supports widespread totalitarian monstrosity. What’s to exaggerate?

Lehosh on July 11, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I thought that Al Gore was nuts, but Holdren is a certifiable fruit cake. And liberals think that adults are in charge at 1600 Pa. Ave?

BottomLine5 on July 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM

This Administration makes me feel like lowly swine

Ed Graef on July 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Mad as a hatter!

jeanie on July 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM

This is why people hate Republicans. We go after everyone who tries to think outside the box.

frankj on July 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM

This Administration makes me feel like lowly swine H1N1

Ed Graef on July 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM

The CDC called me and complained about your unauthorized use of the word “swine”.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 7:36 PM

I thought that Al Gore was nuts, but Holdren is a certifiable fruit cake. And liberals think that adults are in charge at 1600 Pa. Ave?

BottomLine5 on July 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Don’t assume that Holdren is extreme in the eyes of Obama and the other leftists who are in control. He’ll certainly look extreme to normal society, and that should be exploited.

You might remember Dr. Eric Pianki from two or three years ago. He was the toast of the scientist community for advocating the elimination of 90% of the humans on Earth. He was saying things like HIV is “too slow” – ebola is better. He was looking forward to things like more bird flu outbreaks and such, and communities of scientists were giving him awards and standing ovations for it. But people like the Moran guy earlier in this thread would have you believe that such beliefs are archaic remnants from an earlier time.

Buddahpundit on July 11, 2009 at 7:43 PM

He’ll certainly look extreme to normal society, and that should be exploited

Question: what constitutes “normal society” these days?

Has anyone here read “Brave New World”?

One of my favorite quotes of all times comes from George Gallup, the father of public-opinion polling. In an interview, David Frost asked him what, after a lifetime of examining the American psyche, most concerned him.

Gallup answered, “I’m terrified that we will entertain ourselves to death.”

Quite so. The dumb sheep out there will never hear about this guy, because they’re too busy with Jon and Kate.

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Brave New World by Aldous Huxely – reread it. We are headed there.

My apologies. You preceded me.

“Good night, dear friends…”

guntotinglibertarian on July 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM

This is why people hate Republicans. We go after everyone who tries to think outside the box.

frankj on July 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM

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Are you taking to you? To err is human, to forgive divine Frank.
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To: the smart kid
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From: the crazy kook

Americannodash on July 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM

*talking

oops

Americannodash on July 11, 2009 at 8:10 PM

I checked Ann in Ca’s Myspace and she has two friends– Tom and Holdren.

CWforFreedom on July 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM

This is why people hate Republicans. We go after everyone who tries to think outside the box.

frankj on July 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM

I’m sure that’s how that whole “Final Solution” thing got started too…outa da box thinkin’. “Hey, we gots lots of Jews, right? And, we don’t like lots of Jews, correct? So, I’m just thinking outa da box here, why not just round ‘em up and gas ‘em? Eh…eh? Anyone? Not bad, eh?”

Wyznowski on July 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM

The fascists have arrived and they’re in complete control of our country. Within 5 years they’ll have complete control over you. Within 10 years you won’t even care… because all you’ll be able to think about will be your survival. Within 15 years anyone who admits to being a conservative will be taken into custody and jailed on the spot. Remember well what being raised in a free country was like… because your children will be amazed at the stories.

Griz on July 11, 2009 at 8:54 PM

I was trying to think of a food that Holdren could spike with his forced sterilization drug that would guarantee 100% US consumption within a year or so after his evil plan went into effect, and I couldn’t think of one. I just read the WND story on this topic and they write this about Holdren:

A former Teresa and John Heinz professor of environmental policy at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University

Of course. It should have been obvious.

Buddahpundit on July 11, 2009 at 8:57 PM

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM

I watched that very disturbing documentary on transitions that you linked. One point that bothers me about it is that it seems to politically align this acceleration of control to the Bush administration. I see more of this brave new world thinking being exhibited by Obama and the so-called progressives, who fancy themselves the superior beings determined to direct the rest of us.

The presumption of God-like powers among some of these philosophers and scientists seems to be the ultimate hubris that will destroy humanity. The irony is that some of the people cited are just as dead as the people that they viewed as inferior.

I also almost stopped the video when Alex Jones was interviewed. His conspiracy theories seem a bit over-the-top to me.

The video is a great discussion prompt though. Thanks for sharing the link with us.

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2009 at 9:04 PM

At this point, I’m not surprised about anything or anyone in the O admin. Thanks again to Jim T and Zombietime. I’m starting to be afraid to read the news, I’ll keep doing it, but it is truly frightening.

In other news, Sotomayer backers are urging the media to go after the firefighter (Ricci). http://tinyurl.com/kl7gsl

hmfearny on July 11, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Hitler, Mengele, et. al., would be proud!

SIEG HEIL democrats and O-bots! This is what you and your party have come to. Must make you proud, huh?

StimulateTHIS on July 11, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Why doesn’t Rick Moran go ahead and change the “a” to an “o”?

corona on July 11, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Wasn’t it the English jugears as opposed to OUR jugears) who said he wanted to be reincarnted as a virus so he could lower the population??

Funny thing is he halfway got his wish and is across the pond scum…

Anyway, this type of stuff from the ‘elite’ reminds me of Clancy’s Book Rainbow Six. A bunch of pointy headed “intellectuals” who want to kill us for our own good.

God has already started to punish the good prince when you consider the Barfer he is hooked up with currently

bullseye on July 11, 2009 at 9:44 PM

Put him and Ruth Bader Ginsberg in a sack with a monkey and a serpent and toss them into the Tiber.

profitsbeard on July 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Is Holdren a married man who has had the nerve to add more humans to the population? By the looks of him, I’m guessing “no”.

Buddahpundit on July 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM

All of these draconian measures were posited as possibilities if – and it was a big “if” even for Erlich – the overpopulation crisis were upon us and runaway growth was about to cause catastrophe. They were not, as Treacher and Zombie imply, being advocated as something to be employed as a matter of course. Holdren was not advocating these measures as matters of public policy in normal times.

rick moran on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

I see your point, but it’s hard to imagine a catastrophe that could cause humanity more misery than Holdren’s proposed solutions would. It doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in how reasonably he might approach policy in a real crisis situation.

RightOFLeft on July 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM

the fascists have arrived and they’re in complete control of our country. Within 5 years they’ll have complete control over you. Within 10 years you won’t even care… because all you’ll be able to think about will be your survival. Within 15 years anyone who admits to being a conservative will be taken into custody and jailed on the spot. Remember well what being raised in a free country was like… because your children will be amazed at the stories

Griz on July 11, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Oh No! I won’t go that easy and millions of others won’t either, thus the record gun and ammo sales. The fascists will be taken down one way or another.
This is America and soon enough, enough citizens will come to their senses and take their formerly great country back!

Either that or I’m movin to Canada or Alaska!

dhunter on July 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2009 at 9:04 PM

I had to get over that part of the docu myself, but still give it thoughtful consideration. I would guess the filmmaker would be firmly anti-Obama now if he made it today. It’s solid research and, even in the case of Jones, I have to admit he has seen a few moves ahead on the political chessboard that most missed. Not many libertarians, conservatives or Christians figured out before this year that we would be targeted by our own govt as the real terrorists once the switch was flipped in 2009. What did our friendly Republican elitists know and when did they know it? Who on our side is actually comfortable in bed with the progressive agenda and Obama?

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Put him and Ruth Bader Ginsberg in a sack with a monkey and a serpent and toss them into the Tiber.

profitsbeard on July 11, 2009 at 10:20 PM

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Now why add to the expence of flying them all the way to Rome Italy? What is wrong with the Potomac? I mean is it full up with something else that I am not aware of?

Americannodash on July 11, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Progressives are progressives no matter what party they hide behind. McCain would have taken us to some of the same places The Pinnochio Presidente has.

Both parties are corrupt to the core and the best hope for a rebirth of freedom is from an outsider, someone not of the DC machine, someone that can rally the real Americans to SERVE God, Family, Country, not exploit and rule over them.

We need 1000 Sarah Palins and we need to throw the bums out.

dhunter on July 11, 2009 at 10:42 PM

If he’s changed his mind about these things in the last 30 years, now might be a good time to say so.

Perhaps he wrote that book with Jimmy Carter in mind?

csdeven on July 11, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Holdren was not advocating these measures as matters of public policy in normal times.

rick moran on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

It matters? People with these sorts of thoughts running around their heads do not need to be in positions of power; normal times or not.

lorien1973 on July 11, 2009 at 10:46 PM

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM

I can’t disagree with your well-taken points.

onlineanalyst on July 11, 2009 at 10:57 PM

John Holdren is one sick f#$%. This Obama administration really goes the bizzaro science route with this latest Doctor of Death Czar selection. It appears to me that the running theme of Obama’s selection of czars revolve around the words “CONTROL OF THE MASSES” by those who are unelected and which are not held accountable for their destructive actions on the people of America.
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OT maybe ——
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Let us have a Remedial Reading Drills Czar too. Bill Ayers is the primary candidate for that position. Bill Ayers probably ghost wrote Obama’s highly touted books and it was Ayers own home that kicked off Obama’s political career. Ayers has been shilling for Obama along time now. Obama will surely be shilling for Ayers Remedial Reading Drills Czar position before the year is out.
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Exit question: How many Czar’s does it take to fill the Oval Office?

Americannodash on July 11, 2009 at 3:00 PM

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Just in case anyone missed this one from original greenroom posting before it got promoted to here. Indulge me with your acumen.

Americannodash on July 11, 2009 at 11:00 PM

His title should be Crazy Czar.

n0doz on July 11, 2009 at 11:01 PM

This guy I’d normally shrug off as just a nutter. That he’s now in a position of power, scares me a bit.

4shoes on July 11, 2009 at 11:14 PM

I rarely hear these types going after the Third World countries where by far and away populations are skyrocketing. Interestingly, these are the places where there are fewer resources (well, they’re there but their governments are way too corrupt and ignorant to develop them), where new pandemic diseases are spawned, where there is more crime, more poverty, more political violence…

No…the populations they want to control are those of the affluent Americans and Europeans, namely ‘white people’. It’s not merely the number of people but also the resources consumed out of proportion to the population compared to the rest of the world.

And that’s the yardstick…the rest of the world. These people long ago realized that the rest of the world could not be raised to our standard of living but rather that our standard of living must be reduced to meet those of the Third World, while at the same time raising Third World standards somewhat, though little. Cap and Trade comes to mind here.

Socialism can never promise to meet the wants of Capitalism. They know this. It is up to the Libtard elite to decide what we should and shouldn’t have…because they’re smarter, read Libtard books, learn from Communist professors and besides, they know they’re just plain right…and more enlightened…and smarter…because they know it.

The innovations which have raised that standard of living and have kept more people alive longer did not originate from behind the Iron Curtain or backwards monarchies with command economies or from undeveloped countries and feuding societies. These innovations came mostly from free, stable, Capitalist societies.

If overpopulation does happen, Mother Nature will take care of the problem for us. As for the U.S. how about controlling immigration and quit rewarding people for making new babies just so they can get government handouts?

Like some kind of Big Brother society they do not care about the Proles and their population growth, but only that of the outer party members, in other words, the middle class.

Dr. ZhivBlago on July 11, 2009 at 11:28 PM

I can’t understand why this is being reported as news. I seem to remember reading about this very issue on blogs a good few months ago.

Sharke on July 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Holdren,wants to biuld himself,a giant Socialist Experimental country,more or less,in the pursuit
of science!

Me thinks,he would like to turn America,into his own,

‘Dr. Moreaus Island’!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And,this was tried in Germany,1935-1945!!!!
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Ugh! Wouldn’t it be simpler,to create a pill to rid oneself
of being a Liberal,or Left thinking,and save the world of
such horror’s!!!!!!!!!!!(Sarc).

canopfor on July 11, 2009 at 11:46 PM

I can’t understand why this is being reported as news. I seem to remember reading about this very issue on blogs a good few months ago.

Sharke on July 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Phwew! Thanks for letting me know that we’ve already come to grips with a Heinz promoted scientist who had deep thoughts about saving the world by sneaking sterilization agents into the food supply becoming science czar for the current administration.

I’ll have myself some french fries with ketchup and sleep better tonight now. Thanks, Sharke!

Buddahpundit on July 11, 2009 at 11:51 PM

All of these draconian measures were posited as possibilities if – and it was a big “if” even for Erlich – the overpopulation crisis were upon us and runaway growth was about to cause catastrophe.

You don’t mean anything along the lines of global warming presenting such a dire problem, NOW, that anyone who even questions the dire nature of it is a “holocaust-denier” and and should be treated as a terrorist? That’s not the sort of thing you mean, is it? Did I mention that overpopulation is one of the big sources of global warming?

They were not, as Treacher and Zombie imply, being advocated as something to be employed as a matter of course. Holdren was not advocating these measures as matters of public policy in normal times.

What you don’t seem to understand, or like to ignore (I’m not sure which) is that these lunatics have never seen themselves living in “normal times”. They are always within the clutches of some monumental crisis. This is generally the result of their emotional handicaps and twisted personalities painting the picture for them of the world they see, but don’t think for a second that these morons have ever considered themselves to be living in normal times.

The fact he was dumb enough to be taken in by Erlich’s stupidity is cause for great concern. So is his unflinching belief in the religion of global warming.

Do you know what has to be done to fend off the dreaded global warming? Read his book. Then come back to us and tell us how this lunatic (and he is clearly a lunatic) doesn’t see the sort of threats in the world that require his “tinkering” and killing off of most of humanity.

But if you’re going to criticize the guy – and he should be criticized – let’s do it on the facts and not exaggerate for the sake of political attacks. That’s the tactic of the left, not of reasoned criticism which should be the hallmark of the right.

rick moran on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Don’t lecture anyone about the tactics of the left, with respect to criticism and legitimate fear of people as insane as Holdren having any power at all. First you argue that his moronic ideas are nothing to worry about because they would only beactivated if “and that’s a big if” he saw a population catastrophe looming. Then you admit his “his unflinching belief in the religion of global warming”, of which population is one the main drivers (in the eyes of those loons). Get your own argument together, man, especially before you start throwing around the “tactic of the left” smear at us. Holdren sees catastrophe and he knows exactly what he wants to do to “stop it”.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 11:51 PM

It’s almost like Obama & Company spend all night thinking up new ways to waste tax payer money.

Libertarian Joseph on July 12, 2009 at 12:06 AM

“Former Colorado Senator Tim Wirth reportedly said, “We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing — in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”

Former Vice President Al Gore declared that the Congressional climate bill will help bring about “global governance.”

Sounds just like the stuff Holdren said in his book.

Why isn’t there a VERY loud cry to have this lunatic removed from the administration?

crosspatch on July 12, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Within 5 years they’ll have complete control over you.

I predict that they are about to cross a line that will trigger their destruction.

mrpeabody on July 12, 2009 at 12:11 AM

Look at the cooks Barak Obama thinks it’s “normal” to associate with.

Bill Ayers
Rev Wright
John Holdren
Sotomeyer

What other crazies, whoops, I mean, non-conformists will surface?

shick on July 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Anyone besides me have this dreadful feeling that the loons are running the asylum?

I mean, I would say that we need to vote these people out ASAP, but I also have this dreadful feeling that they intend to stay in power any way possible.

Sterling Holobyte on July 12, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Why isn’t there a VERY loud cry to have this lunatic removed from the administration?

crosspatch on July 12, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Because Holdren is not very different from most of the others in the Washington junta. This nation voted for suicide on Nov 4th, and dog-gone-it, suicide it is. Now, just drink the Kool-Aid and die like a nice little clump of cells.

progressoverpeace on July 12, 2009 at 12:16 AM

Tina Fey in her infamous Sat. Night Live skit on Sarah Palin said “I can see Russia from my house.” With this bunch in power that is becoming a preety damn good view because I am starting to see something way worse than Russia!!!

PS.. Good topic and analysis Jim Treacher as always.

Dire Straits on July 12, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Tina Fey in her infamous Sat. Night Live skit on Sarah Palin said “I can see Russia from my house”. With this bunch in power that is becoming a preety pretty damn good view because I am starting to see something way worse than Russia!!!

PS.. Good topic and analysis Jim Treacher as always.

Dire Straits on July 12, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Sorry for the error

Dire Straits on July 12, 2009 at 12:27 AM

People say this all the time, but it really is like something out of a movie.

Soylent green is Republicans.

Ted Torgerson on July 12, 2009 at 12:27 AM

This is the stuff of Margaret Sanger and the Planned Parenthood (Planned murder of your own children) crew. This is neo-eugenics. Why is this guy and ANYTHING in the b-ho universe?

Mojave Mark on July 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Obama can appoint all of the radical morons he wants, but we still have a Constitution and laws. Even the liberal idiots on the Supreme Court wouldn’t let that stuff stand.

orlandocajun on July 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Only the Second stands behind them and control. If Americans had disarmed like England, Liberals would be arguing which method to use, not posing “theoretical questions”.

GunRunner on July 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM

And I’ve been laughed at for questioning Obama’s birth certificate? (not on HA, but elsewhere)

If anyone – ANYONE – on the left suggests the things Holdren wrote in this book are “old” and “no longer relevant” I have one name for them: Mark Fuhrman. Relevant now, libs?

citrus on July 12, 2009 at 12:52 AM

Sorry, “between” not “Behind”

GunRunner on July 12, 2009 at 12:53 AM

WTH?!! We are all going to have stocking up on bottled water, canned meat, and ammunition! I guarantee you that Obama is not going to force my kids into some kind of involuntary brown shirt labor. This guy really scares the sh&t out of me. Please everyone, we need as many bodies as possible in DC on 9/12!

TXMomof3 on July 12, 2009 at 1:08 AM

Another 1984′ish official for Adolph’s team. Right in line with the destroy America plan…..

DL13 on July 12, 2009 at 1:12 AM

Ask for Mengele, settle for Lysenko.

Pretty shrewd.

spmat on July 12, 2009 at 1:15 AM

He Blinded Me With Science….then he cut off my testicles and took my kids away…

29Victor on July 12, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Oh, never mind… this is a Czar, not a cabinet appointment. Obama’s not asking for anything. He’s telling us.

spmat on July 12, 2009 at 1:25 AM

Everytime I get on this blog I get so upset that spelling, grammar, and sensible writing go straight out the door. Obama is a totally unknown person that has rocketed up the ladder from nowhere. We have no idea what kind of nutjob we are dealing with. We have no idea where this freak is taking us and all the “yes we can” chanters are too stupid to say what the hell is going on here. When it comes to my children, I will not allow the government to enslave them to some kind of forced “volunteer” work. They can come and try to force me, but I believe a lot of people here in Texas will tell them exactly where they can stick their social engineering, indoctination policies.

TXMomof3 on July 12, 2009 at 1:29 AM

So is it really that surprising that Justice Ginsburg thought Roe v. Wade was meant to control population growth? Conservatives would do well to remind everyone what happens when you let the Malthusians run amok. Last time, it was in the name of “global cooling.” Lefties–can’t live with them, and can’t shoot them unless you trick them into walking on your property wearing a ski mask.

cackcon on July 12, 2009 at 1:51 AM

These days, Holdren’s focus is on global warming (or climate change, or whichever euphemism they’ve come up with this week). Which seems odd: If you’re worried about overpopulation, wouldn’t you want to encourage global warming? A nice flood would sure clear out all those undesirables.

If it’s a natural disaster, then liberals are not IN CONTROL of the genocide.

How would that be fun?

logis on July 12, 2009 at 1:58 AM

Wait till you hear about the proctologist Obama’s considering for Medical Czar: Dr. Strange Glove.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 12, 2009 at 3:57 AM

• People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

Well, there go the Democrats!

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 12, 2009 at 4:09 AM

This is why people hate Republicans. We go after everyone who tries to think outside the box.

frankj on July 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Well, that obviously excludes Obama. If you check out his G-8 photo, you’ll see he’s thinking inside the fox.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 12, 2009 at 4:13 AM

Well, it looks as if the Democrats have dramatically changed their philosophy from “Tax the rich.” to “Shoot the poor.” Personally, I support neither option, but at least the latter one spurts growth. Not a person alive (no pun intended) wouldn’t work like a demon under those conditions.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 12, 2009 at 4:30 AM

All our medical records are now online.

Just sayin’.

Mommypundit on July 12, 2009 at 5:21 AM

Another important point to note here is that Ehrlich and his buddies predicted that in the 1970s and 1980s millions and millions of people were going to starve to death because of the “population bomb”. They were completely and utterly wrong- but since then they’ve gone on to replace population alarmism with global warming and now climate change alarmism. And for some reason they’re still considered credible?

I seem to recall that the NASA guy behind the hockey stick graph was predicting a new ice age back in the 1970s.

These people seem to move from one catastrophe to another with no apparent effect on their professional reputation.

Jay Mac on July 12, 2009 at 5:23 AM

Jay Mac on July 12, 2009 at 5:23 AM

1. you are factually accurate.
2. you have selected many important points among the multitude
3. the hockey stick graph is an utter falsehood
4. climatologists are no different than astrologers
5. your post is most impressive and should be heeded by all rational beings.

Geochelone on July 12, 2009 at 6:35 AM

Look up the term “Deep Ecology” and you can start understanding the credo these Nazis believe in.

It always starts out sounding benign until extremists like Holdren get a hold of things.

JAW on July 12, 2009 at 7:18 AM

Everyone’s going to be free
But they’ll have to agree to be free
They’ll have to agree to be less free than me
‘Cos I rule the world you see
So wait for the army of kiddy-winkies
And terrible tiny tots
In armored school buses
Firing poison pea-shooters
And sinking their milk teeth into your thighs
Delapsus resurgem, when I fall I shall rise
I wanna be a boss
I wanna be a big boss
I wanna boss the world around
I wanna be the biggest boss
That ever bossed the world around

Coronagold on July 12, 2009 at 7:55 AM

I think I’ll go live off the grid in the woods.

blatantblue on July 12, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Here’s some quotes on how to “control populations and influence people” from a 20th century intellectual czar of these progressives in the states and especially the Fabians abroad, who are more international socialists like Obama.

“I do not pretend that birth control is the only way in which population can be kept from increasing. There are others, which, one must suppose, opponents of birth control would prefer. War, as I remarked a moment ago, has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. There would be nothing in this to offend the consciences of the devout or to restrain the ambitions of nationalists. The state of affairs might be somewhat unpleasant, but what of that? Really high-minded people are indifferent to happiness, especially other people’s.”

- Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1953), pp.103-104

Hmmm, OK. What about the people who survive depopulation? What will life be like for them?

“Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.”

“Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton.”

- Bertrand Russell, “The Impact of Science on Society”, 1953, pg 49-50

… It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment.”

“Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.”

- Bertrand Russell, “The Impact of Science on Society”, 1953

“On those rare occasions, when a boy or girl who has passed the age at which it is usual to determine social status shows such marked ability as to seem the intellectual equal of the rulers, a difficult situation will arise, requiring serious consideration. If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it.”

- Bertrand Russell, “The Scientific Outlook”, 1931

econavenger on July 12, 2009 at 8:08 AM

Abortion is often portrayed as a way to “save” humanity from itself, by reducing the numbers of “undesirable” or “unwanted” populations and individuals. But at the heart of abortion rights is the desire to avoid responsibility for one’s choices: Get pregnant, or get your girl pregnant, and get out of it by killing the baby.

KyMouse on July 12, 2009 at 8:09 AM

There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.

blatantblue on July 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM

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