If You Like Putting Sterilants in Our Water and Forcing “Undesirables” to Have Abortions, Have We Got a Science Czar for You

posted at 3:07 pm on July 11, 2009 by Jim Treacher

...in addition to the factors of youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills, it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included, to impart the required principles of leadership and tradition.Zombietime, dependable chronicler of leftwing folly, has a real doozy for us this time. It turns out that John Holdren, Obama’s new “science czar,” has expressed some unusually radical ideas about stemming population growth. Or to put it more simply, he’s a totalitarian eugenicist:

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A “Planetary Regime” with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology — informally known as the United States’ Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives — using an armed international police force.

Please read the whole thing for the details, along with photographic proof that Holdren’s book, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment, exists. Holdren really did say all that stuff, and he even lists the book in his curriculum vitae. If he’s changed his mind about these things in the last 30 years, now might be a good time to say so.

These days, Holdren’s focus is on global warming (or climate change, or whichever euphemism they’ve come up with this week). Which seems odd: If you’re worried about overpopulation, wouldn’t you want to encourage global warming? A nice flood would sure clear out all those undesirables.

Maybe Holdren should start building an ark. Sounds like he’s already got his passenger list.

P.S. Interesting discussion in the comments at Zomblog.

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They’ve called me (a RP supporter) a “conspiracy theorist” for pointing out the exact same things.

The Dean on July 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Truly chilling stuff, here.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM

If you’re worried about overpopulation, wouldn’t you want to encourage global warming? A nice flood would sure clear out all those undesirables.

No – because they don’t really believe in man-made natural disasters. They just believe in using the fear of man-made natural disasters as means to impose their OWN man-made disasters to accomplish their agenda goals. This is how the contradictions become… er, Inconvenient.

Editor on July 11, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Anyone read Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”? It’s right in line with this crackpot.

ieplaya on July 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM

How very Progressive of him.

rbj on July 11, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Dr. Mengele would be proud.

portlandon on July 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Jeebus Crispies between this guy and the absolute loon Porritt in Britain saying the same thing, we better sweep in 2010, I say we as a moderate DEM voting GOP :0)

ginaswo on July 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Hilights of the UK report include:

the report has been released and as expected the TOTAL MORONS want to sharply reduce the UK population, (despite a natural falloff in their reproductive rates)

Porritt: “Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that impact.”

Rapley, who formerly ran the British Antarctic Survey, said humanity was emitting the equivalent of 50 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.

“We have to cut this by 80%, and population growth is going to make that much harder,” he said.

Many experts believe that, since Europeans and Americans have such a lopsided impact on the environment, the world would benefit more from reducing their populations than by making cuts in developing countries.

Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, said: “You can’t have sustainability with an increase in population.”

ginaswo on July 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM

If you talk to your liberal friends many believe their is no ill that govt. cannot cure and they are very machiavellian in their thinking.

CWforFreedom on July 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM

Hillary’s Science Advisor:

Earth population ‘exceeds limits’

“We need to continue to decrease the growth rate of the global population; the planet can’t support many more people”

“There are probably already too many people on the planet.”

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM

A 20 year follower of Rev. Wright appointing a full-blown, bloodthirsty psychotic as Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy? No! Gosh, how did this happen?

Sadly, the American people are so apathetic and brainwashed they probably won’t care until the guy starts actually euthanizing large parts of the population.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM

If we recall Justice Ginsburg’s latest comment re abortion and population control along with these we get a little flashback to the prevailing views of the seventies on the liberal/left.

It seems to me that Holdren’s views are a bit more descriptive than prescriptive – he sort of weasels his way through the narrative but still troubling.

SteveMG on July 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM

The funny thing is, when peoples’ standard of living increases, the population growth does decrease. Look at Europe & Japan, some countries aren’t even at replacement level. And yet, to maintain the nanny state it requires more and more people to keep the Ponzi scheme going.

rbj on July 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Between Al Gore claiming that we need “global governance” to fight AGW (link on Drudge) to this article, the so-called “conspiracy theorists” are looking very good right now. Too bad everyone dismissed them before when it could have mattered.

The Dean on July 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Good quote posted on Zomblog:

“…a concentration of world evil, of hatred for humanity is taking place and it is fully determined to destroy your society.” – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, 1976

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Liberal Fascism does indeed touch on this very subject. This guy would get along famously with Ruth Bader Ginsberg. The masks are slipping.

alwaysright43 on July 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM

This is not surprising. I’ve had discussions with dedicated environmentalists about these kind of things. Underneath all that sweet talk about saving whales and planting trees there is an evil that lurks.

Mark1971 on July 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM

And people thought my idea of hunting down people and eating them as a solution to overpopulation and the food crisis was out there.

ignorantapathy on July 11, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Soylent Green ,anyone??

Offhanded on July 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM

I found and purchased Paul Ehrlich’s book The Population Bomb at a used bookstore. He made the same errors that Malthus made in his 1798 Essay on the Principle of Population. The biggest differences were: 1) the economic laws refuting the position hadn’t yet been discovered in 1798, and 2) Malthus was content to let to excess population simply starve to death, whereas Ehrlich proposed mass murder on an heretofore-undreamt-of scale.

To propose so callously the culling of the dead wood from the human population is an error one can only make when one forgets (or willfully ignores) that a race, or a religious group, or society itself, is just an abstraction, and is actually composed of individual human beings. In the case of Ehrlich and Holdren, I blame the tendencies of environmentalists to espouse new-age holistic pantheism, in which even distinctions between species are blurred into the concept of a “biosphere.”

hicsuget on July 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Soylent Green

Tazz 55 on July 11, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Red state succession.

Let the blue states inflict their eugenics and socialism on themselves.

Rebar on July 11, 2009 at 4:35 PM

that a race, or a religious group, or society itself, is just an abstraction, and is actually composed of individual human beings.

They care so much for “the people” or “the planet” that they ignore the human beings.

It is indeed almos a perspective that human beings are somehow aliens to this planet and not a part of it. In but not of.

SteveMG on July 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Barack: “That’s not the science advisor I knew”

The Dean on July 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM

This is absolutely terrifying. I’m thinking that undesirables might mean pro-life, conservative, Christian, 2nd Amendment supporters. Maybe Napolitano is just making me nervous.

At least Holdren’s not on record believing in God…couldn’t have that now, could we?

Laura in Maryland on July 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM

The Global Warming hoax is tied in it’s origins to the 60′s and 70′s population bomb scares. You’ll find a lot of the same people popping up in both movements if you keep digging. Or the famed Newsweek article about the Global Cooling scare…

A guy like that would totally be capable of pulling off Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six plot.

oddjob1138 on July 11, 2009 at 4:38 PM

It’s interesting to note that (apparently) none of the proponents of these measures ever freely adopted them for themselves.

Or their loved ones.

SteveMG on July 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM

And here I thought it was my tinfoil hat! But no, these people are truly wicked. Wow.

Fallen Sparrow on July 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM

This guy seems to have come from The Brave New World.

FontanaConservative on July 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM

WS once said long ago, “first thing we have to do is hang all the lawyers”. While that is still not a bad idea, I suggest we do what the Russians did with the Czars. Put them in a room and cut down on the Governments carbon footprint. On a Star Trek episode, a deadly mutant robot referred to humans as carbon units. We need to be a little more selective than that. I have a spare katana. It will cut right through kevlar.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on July 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM

As with Justice Ginsburg’s comment, if this had been a conservative the press would be going ballistic.

Or more accurately, liberal/left interest groups would be feeding the press the “ballistic material”.

Man….

SteveMG on July 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Red state succession.
Let the blue states inflict their eugenics and socialism on themselves.
Rebar on July 11, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Screw that idea. Convert the blue states. You need NY

blatantblue on July 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Obama appointed Francis Collins to head NIH a couple of days ago.

I was on a HuffPo thread about that, and a lot of the commenters were freaked about his appointment because Collins writes on his Christian faith. Even some commenters who claimed to be scientists were upset about Collins’ appointment.

But Dr.Eugenics is ok with them.

juliesa on July 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Guys like this dude in Jimmys piece are warped individuals

fubar

blatantblue on July 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM

It’s interesting to note that (apparently) none of the proponents of these measures ever freely adopted them for themselves.

I’m eagerly awaiting the mass suicide of environmentalists to save the planet. It will be like that Heaven’s Gate cult on a massive scale.

Mark1971 on July 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM

It’s interesting to note that (apparently) none of the proponents of these measures ever freely adopted them for themselves.

Or their loved ones.

SteveMG on July 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM

THIS is why suicide parlors like Vonnegut’s Welcome to the Monkey House should be legal! Kidding!

Seriously though, I do encourage every vegan I meet to contemplate suicide. The only true way to live a completely moral life as a vegan is to end it and your carbon/animal product/unnatural resource footprint.

oddjob1138 on July 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Science Czar John (Ivan) the Terrible.

zmdavid on July 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM

The Republicans in Congress need to go after Obama for this instead of going after Holdren directly. Bring articles of impeachment and let the Dems defend Obama on this.

Buddahpundit on July 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM

TH

IS is why suicide parlors like Vonnegut’s Welcome to the Monkey House should be legal! Kidding!

Seriously though, I do encourage every vegan I meet to contemplate suicide. The only true way to live a completely moral life as a vegan is to end it and your carbon/animal product/unnatural resource footprint.

oddjob1138 on July 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM

+ 1000

CWforFreedom on July 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Between this and Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s admission that birth control is all about eliminating undesirables, I would say that the mask is definitely slipping, these days.

gridlock2 on July 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM

You can find liberals talking like this on message boards throughout the Internet all the time. Amongst themselves, this is all just common sense.

Never thought I’d see one elevated this high, but apparently attitudes like this aren’t nearly as fringey as they ought to be anymore.

Kensington on July 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Soylent Green

Tazz 55 on July 11, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Red state succession.

Let the blue states inflict their eugenics and socialism on themselves.

Rebar on July 11, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Obama is bringing change for his man-made global warming depression:

“Soylent Red is bitter clingers.”

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Take a look at what has happened so far and then rewind yourself back 2 years ago and attempt to visualize what everyones reaction would have been if you told them this is what was going to happen. I can’t say go back a year because everyone was warned by then.

the Coondawg on July 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM

LOL … if you think these people are going to give up power in 2012 due to a popular vote – you’ve got another thing coming.

Get ready for some fun.

HondaV65 on July 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM

So people like him plan to kill mass amounts of people.

Game on, pal.

MadisonConservative on July 11, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Weird Science.

fogw on July 11, 2009 at 4:55 PM

We’ve had a revolution and just don’t know it yet.

petefrt on July 11, 2009 at 4:55 PM

If we ever implement these government controls, they will be hard to get rid of. They will always argue “Sure things are bad, but think how much worse it would be if we didn’t act”.

Fortunately we did nothing along these lines about overpopulation in the 1970s, otherwise Holdren and co. would take our continued existence as proof his policy worked.

This is why we should not pass cap and trade or national health care.

zmdavid on July 11, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Has anyone noticed how tall Obama is compared to other world leaders?

Skandia Recluse on July 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Does this guy who is Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology have any science credentials? Wasn’t there a rumor that our president would upgrade both science and ethics during his administration? It seems that we have a czar of unethical totalitarianism rather than a science czar.

People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.

Maybe it wouldn’t be so bad if we could elevate everyone in the administration and all its political appointees and all relatives to the class of undesirables. They are now below that class.

burt on July 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Screw that idea. Convert the blue states. You need NY

blatantblue on July 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM

New York, for what, it’s already bankrupt both financially and politically.

Let the red states form a new country under the pre-progressive Constitution. As the blue states suffer economic and political catastrophe, let them join under those terms.

Eventually we’ll have them all back, in a nation under rule of law, stripped of all that progressive nonsense.

Rebar on July 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM

To propose so callously the culling of the dead wood from the human population is an error one can only make when one forgets (or willfully ignores) that a race, or a religious group, or society itself, is just an abstraction, and is actually composed of individual human beings. In the case of Ehrlich and Holdren, I blame the tendencies of environmentalists to espouse new-age holistic pantheism, in which even distinctions between species are blurred into the concept of a “biosphere.”

hicsuget on July 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM

You and I had a discussion, not too long ago, about what drives this the thinking of the left. It comes down to one of the points I was making, that leftists are staticists, at heart. They cannot conceive of the dynamics of society (or the world) and view only the world they see at the very moment with everything remaining fixed except for one or two little details they use to support whatever arguments they WANT to make. This is the same reasoning behind their desire to steal wealth instead of grow it. This is why they are against “climate change”.

Growth and advancement throw all of their theories into disarray, since central planning is never adequate to handle the complexities brought on by the growing, dynamic world. They are stuck with nothing but still photographs of reality, on which their collectivist ideas are based.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Welcome to the New World Order ladies and gentlemen. Up next; new world currency.

Gordon Brown: “We don’t want to give the impression that big change is around the corner and the present arrangements will be destabilised,”

By the sounds of it big changes are already underway, and boy, are we screwed. Short the USA to zero, go long on torches and pitchforks.

13blackcats on July 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM

I do have to say I have long been an advocate of forced sterilization of anybody that has ever been a guest of the Jerry Springer show.

oddjob1138 on July 11, 2009 at 5:04 PM

blatantblue on July 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM

How about convert California? Don’t leave me hanging. Or else I’ll give you the look

FontanaConservative on July 11, 2009 at 5:05 PM

In a Peanuts cartoon, Linus said “I love mankind, it’s people I can’t stand”. There is Progressivism in a nutshell.

For me as a conservative, I am not all that confident in mankind, but I am in people as individuals.

Ellen on July 11, 2009 at 5:05 PM

The funny thing is, population numbers stop growing so much as the people start getting more prosperous. What drives the birth rate are people in the Third World who are stuck in a mode where the more children you have, the more likely at least one of them will survive long enough to take care of you when you get old.

Even the United States is more or less at replacement levels for population.

Sekhmet on July 11, 2009 at 5:06 PM

It’s sad that Nazi ideals didn’t die with them. Environmentalism is seemingly the last bastion of the most evil of Nazi ideals: Eugenics.

theCork on July 11, 2009 at 5:06 PM

This recalls some of Holdren’s odd “geoengineering” ideas regarding global warming, which are linked to at the bottom of this parody piece: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/04/obama-science-advisor-end-is-near-so-we.html

Mervis Winter on July 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM

The Global Warming hoax is tied in it’s origins to the 60’s and 70’s population bomb scares. You’ll find a lot of the same people popping up in both movements if you keep digging. Or the famed Newsweek article about the Global Cooling scare…

oddjob1138 on July 11, 2009 at 4:38 PM

You’re absolutely right about that. I’m 47 years old, grew up in Northern California. I had a front row seat for a lot of the lunatic nonsense from the ’70′s. A lot of younger people, in particular, don’t understand the consequences of putting the hippy maniacs in power. They don’t realize how extreme they are.

On a similar note, people under the age of about 30 have never lived through a really rough recession and don’t understand what it’s like. They don’t understand the causes and the solutions because they haven’t lived them. The dot com bust was nothing compared to ’82. I wasn’t even as bad as ’91. It’s too bad the country has to go through the same s— all over again to educate the ignorant.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Oh, yeah. Another big pseudo scientific hoax to scare people at one time was over population, along with:

The coming Ice Age
nuclear winter
lack of water
global warming

There are a lot more but I can’t think of them at the moment. Feel free to add on.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM

when did the last ice age end? it hasn’t. we’re still in it. so global warming is part of a very natural trend.

kelley in virginia on July 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM

This why I feel no remorse for socialists, communists liberals, statists, whatever they call themselves, whenever their time comes.

Perhaps its because through my family I understand the destruction of state inspired totalitarianism.

To me they are “less” than human because they have no care for the individual, they only see life when it is convenient.

There are two types of statists in the world

1) Evil MF’ers who want to tell you what to do
2) And the sheep who support them.

As a result I shed not a tear for the destruction we are witnessing since it clearly deserving to us all.

69 million willed this result
55 million are satisfied and accepting of the cannon fodder they voted for.

I suggest people read Thoreau On C.D. to see how badly we as a nation have failed our children, when people can’t even muster basic outrage at what is happening.

WichoFawkes on July 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM

I think we’re missing an important point here. Let me speak as a scientist…

We don’t need a ‘Science Czar’ period!

Nothing about the actual pursuit of scientific knowledge demands for one. In fact, the notion we need a ‘Science Czar’

runs counter to the free pursuit of knowledge! Especially one coming from such a fascist administration as the Obama White House!

I thought Gore was a black mark on the scientific community, but Obama’s becoming a downright Abomination.

If this guy has the power to curtail scientific research, you can say good bye to any scientific pursuit worth taking in this country. This is the United States of America folks! If we can’t have the freedom to think, to experiment, to observe, and to share scientific information without being hounded by a government official then I would dare say that the scientific pursuits of the entire human race is threatened (if not eventually doomed).

This is all bad news. With this smart piece of governmental action Obama has ceased to be a Chicago Thugland President. He’s now an enemy to real Progress, Liberty, and Mankind itself.

God Help Us All!

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM

What really is troubling above all else for me is that it is easier to keep track of what Obama has does right for America than it is to list all the things Obama has done wrong which are unamerican.

Americannodash on July 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM

whoo hooo
Go team barry !
or is it Go team Orsen Wells.!
1984 is here , 25 years too late but its here!
Thank you, all of you that didnt vote for Mccain , you handed the nation over to BUMMER !
And what a BUMMER it is going to be.

<— gets popcorn to watch the melt down !

ColdWarrior57 on July 11, 2009 at 5:21 PM

In a Peanuts cartoon, Linus said “I love mankind, it’s people I can’t stand”. There is Progressivism in a nutshell.

For me as a conservative, I am not all that confident in mankind, but I am in people as individuals.

Ellen on July 11, 2009 at 5:05 PM

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you’ll know tomorrow.

There is no minority smaller or less represented than the Human Individual.

***1 bonus point to the man who tells me the movie reference (it’s not hard, so you only get 1 point).***

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM

doh…I almost forgot to post a link to one of my favorite commentaries on this subject:

“Apocaholics Anonymous”

http://www.godward.org/commentary/Out%20of%20the%20Box/Apocaholics%20Anonymous.htm

“The famine/population fear is older than Malthus. Confucius thought the earth was full, 2500 years ago. Romans thought they had “worn out the earth.” St. Jerome said “the world is already full, and the population too large for the soil.” Tertullian wailed about “teeming populations of Carthage” with “numbers burdensome to the world.” He saw death from famine, war and disease as “the means of pruning the luxuriance of the human race.” In truth, Rome was rich when it was crowded, and a wasteland when it was empty.”

Django on July 11, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Wow…not only a totalitarian stooge, but a total idiot as well. Forget proactive birth control here in the filthy-rich, USA with an obesity epidemic – how about in all the african and asian nations where people are starving to death by the thousands?

Dark-Star on July 11, 2009 at 5:26 PM

“The funny thing is, when peoples’ standard of living increases, the population growth does decrease. Look at Europe & Japan, some countries aren’t even at replacement level. And yet, to maintain the nanny state it requires more and more people to keep the Ponzi scheme going.”

rbj on July 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Dead on!

There was a biz-intel report at the gathering at Davos in 2005 making this exact point.

The key to population growth is prosperity! Now theres an inconvenient truth!

Archimedes on July 11, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Chaz, Obama is presiding over the total corruption of science while pretending to elevate humanity to become some sort of scientific atheistic utopia. And so many of the world’s scientists are blindly willing to serve an elite totalitarian ideal that they don’t even care.

We now know that the minds of Hitler’s willing scientists were not an exception. That level of insanity can happen again, not just in one aberrant nation, but across the entire planet this time.

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM

I think we’re missing an important point here. Let me speak as a scientist…

We don’t need a ‘Science Czar’ period!

Nothing about the actual pursuit of scientific knowledge demands for one. In fact, the notion we need a ‘Science Czar’

runs counter to the free pursuit of knowledge! Especially one coming from such a fascist administration as the Obama White House!

I thought Gore was a black mark on the scientific community, but Obama’s becoming a downright Abomination.

If this guy has the power to curtail scientific research, you can say good bye to any scientific pursuit worth taking in this country. This is the United States of America folks! If we can’t have the freedom to think, to experiment, to observe, and to share scientific information without being hounded by a government official then I would dare say that the scientific pursuits of the entire human race is threatened (if not eventually doomed).

This is all bad news. With this smart piece of governmental action Obama has ceased to be a Chicago Thugland President. He’s now an enemy to real Progress, Liberty, and Mankind itself.

God Help Us All!

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Make that Obamanation!

Archimedes on July 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM

There are a lot more but I can’t think of them at the moment. Feel free to add on.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM

“The China Syndrome” and the left’s killing of nuclear power. That was a beaut. They still won’t mention nuclear power in all of their talk about energy.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM

OK, so let’s say this guy and other radical environmentalists get their wish and eliminate 90% of the human race. What then? Who’s going to build the machines to grow the food? Is this guy, after being ensconced in academia all his life, suddenly going to turn into a farmer? Who’s going to provide the services that these same people depend on so heavily? Who’s going to keep the Twitter network running? Who’s going to fly the planes that Al Gore needs to jetset around the world warning people about global warming?

When you get down to it, there probably are about 1/4 of people who add zero value or actually subtract value from society. But when these people start talking about nearly the entire human race being eliminated, I don’t think they realize that the end result of that is that the survivors go back to living the lifestyle of the Middle Ages, at best. If that lifestyle was so great, why did humanity strive to surpass it?

This why I feel no remorse for socialists, communists liberals, statists, whatever they call themselves, whenever their time comes.
WichoFawkes on July 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Me either. Patience is a virtue in this situation, but they’ll make their move and then the counter-move will be decisive and crushing, if necessary.

venividivici on July 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM

This is so beyond debate. So beyond anything remotely like a “political difference.”
How is a person to respond to this kind of insanity?
What?? Are we just suppose to call our reps and send emails once they start putting contaminants into our water?? We suppose to just get behind a good conservative candidate next election once they start taking children from parents and forcing abortions on people???!!
This man advocates murder! He advocates forced sterilization and dictatorial control over all of our lives! Why even have a constitution??

A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives — using an armed international police force.

What does Colin Powell think of this guy??? Could someone ask John McCain what he thinks of the science Czar?? Would someone ask him what he is prepared to do if this fruitcake,, this Joseph Goebbels wanna be were to start enacting some of his Utopian visions???
Is this not really just setting about creating a Master Race under a different name???
I posted this link earlier on another article about one of the other Dem madmen,,,
Larry Grathwohl on Ayers’ plan for American re-education camps and the need to kill millions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ
Sorry to repost this link,,, but this stuff is becoming just too bizarre.

JellyToast on July 11, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Treacher fails to point out that the book was co-authored with Paul Erlich, a Malthusian nincompoop whose “population bomb” never quite exploded.

All of these draconian measures were posited as possibilities if – and it was a big “if” even for Erlich – the overpopulation crisis were upon us and runaway growth was about to cause catastrophe. They were not, as Treacher and Zombie imply, being advocated as something to be employed as a matter of course. Holdren was not advocating these measures as matters of public policy in normal times.

The fact he was dumb enough to be taken in by Erlich’s stupidity is cause for great concern. So is his unflinching belief in the religion of global warming.

But if you’re going to criticize the guy – and he should be criticized – let’s do it on the facts and not exaggerate for the sake of political attacks. That’s the tactic of the left, not of reasoned criticism which should be the hallmark of the right.

rick moran on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

In Marx’s world, there’s no stopping at sterilants added to the water supply.

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 5:53 PM

“The China Syndrome” and the left’s killing of nuclear power. That was a beaut. They still won’t mention nuclear power in all of their talk about energy.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM

LOL…Remember the “No Nukes” movie from the ’70′s featuring Bruce Springsteen, Bonnie Raitt and a host of other left wing morons? If “The Boss” had supported nuclear power back then, he wouldn’t have cause to whine so much about global warming now.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Holdren was not advocating these measures as matters of public policy in normal times. The fact he was dumb enough to be taken in by Erlich’s stupidity is cause for great concern. So is his unflinching belief in the religion of global warming.
rick moran on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Holdren was not advocating these measures as matters of public policy in normal times.”

Just in abnormal times.

Over-legislative powers.

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM

It’s time to Red Dawn this MF’er….

WOLVERINES!

igglesphan on July 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM

“• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives — using an armed international police force.”

Come on…does anybody really think that this could ever happen in the U.S.? I mean, there were millions of people dumb enough to vote for Obama, but there’s no way anybody would stay in office proposing this kind of lunacy.

Obama can appoint all of the radical morons he wants, but we still have a Constitution and laws. Even the liberal idiots on the Supreme Court wouldn’t let that stuff stand.

orlandocajun on July 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHDC5Q-3B50

Jeff from WI on July 11, 2009 at 6:03 PM

It is not Holdren that I’m worried about. It is the man who hired him for advice.

Limerick on July 11, 2009 at 6:05 PM

You and I had a discussion, not too long ago, about what drives this the thinking of the left. It comes down to one of the points I was making, that leftists are staticists, at heart.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM

You get that idea from Virginia Postrel, by any chance? I recall having read something similar in a book of hers, many years ago. (The title was The Future and its Enemies, if I recall correctly.)

One of the economists whose work I follow wrote that the attitudes of the New Left are a consequence of the failure of the socialist pipe dreams of the Old Left. The quote was something to the effect of, “having witnessed the failure of social engineering, they now seek to ban all engineering.”

Another economist whose work I follow wrote that Darwin got the idea for natural selection in biology from Adam Smith’s Invisible Hand. Conservatives would be able to bring up Darwin to oppose the left’s ideas of “Intelligently Designing” the economy if they weren’t so busy agitating for creationism in biology.

hicsuget on July 11, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Come on…does anybody really think that this could ever happen in the U.S.?

Without any doubt, whatsoever.

I mean, there were millions of people dumb enough to vote for Obama, but there’s no way anybody would stay in office proposing this kind of lunacy.

It’s the same level of lunacy. Tens of millions have already proven themselves perfectly capable of voting to destroy everything around them, including themselves.

Obama can appoint all of the radical morons he wants, but we still have a Constitution and laws.

Not really. We saw this during the campaign, when even conservatives (like our friendly bloggers here at Hotair, along with a certain number of commmenters) would go out of their way to make sure that no one embarrassed them by forcing the simple check of eligibility. The Constitution doesn’t get much more concrete than its requirement of ‘natural-born’. If people were willing to throw that away, just to avoid embarrassment, then don’t underestimate what can be tossed for even stronger “reasons”.

Even the liberal idiots on the Supreme Court wouldn’t let that stuff stand.

orlandocajun on July 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Sure they would. They love this junk. All it would take is for them to get the idea that “the world” likes it.

I know it’s scary, but none of these insane ideas are out of the realm of possibility. That is the situation. The COnstitution is ignored by everyone (see how The Precedent is promoting his public health insurance by caliming that it is the federal government’s job to “provide competition” for private firms). You really don’t get much more un-American and anti-Constitutional than that. At least with Medicare and welfare and such they argued that they fell under the “general welfare” provision (which they didn’t, but it showed some bit of respect for the musty, old Constitution).

There are no bounds on the pain much of America is willing to inflict on all of us. No bounds, at all.

progressoverpeace on July 11, 2009 at 6:08 PM

There is no minority smaller or less represented than the Human Individual.

***1 bonus point to the man who tells me the movie reference (it’s not hard, so you only get 1 point).***

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM

I don’t know what movie it’s from (I never watched Minority Report), but I do know Ayn Rand said it, in almost those exact words, in the 60s.

hicsuget on July 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Chaz, Obama is presiding over the total corruption of science while pretending to elevate humanity to become some sort of scientific[my note: FIFY] atheistic utopia. And so many of the world’s scientists are blindly willing to serve an elite totalitarian ideal that they don’t even care.

We now know that the minds of Hitler’s willing scientists were not an exception. That level of insanity can happen again, not just in one aberrant nation, but across the entire planet this time.

econavenger on July 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM

There is nothing scientifically sound with Totalianarism of any form. While Hitler’s willing scientists did manage to find some scientific truths… I’m not willing to call it science. It was torture, and we happened to learn stumble upon a few things along the way.

That Abhorrent insanity could happen again–that much I know (hath not the great one said: Freedom is never more than a generation away from extinction?). I don’t want it to happen. I couldn’t stand it if it happened in my time. Capitalism has been one of the biggest engines of scientific advancement (see medicine for example). The destruction of Capitalism would be a blow to scientific progress. This guy however is just as much an existential threat (if not more so).

Scientific progress is better served by 100 people thinking in 100 different directions than legions of people indoctrinated in the same school of thought. Which one do you think they had in Nazi Germany, or Soviet Russia?

Nothing scientific about the Utopia the Marxists have planned. Nothing Atheistic either. They only seek to replace the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob with Molech and Mammon. The God they expect us to worship is Big Brother… the God of the State.

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM

All of these draconian measures were posited as possibilities if – and it was a big “if” even for Erlich – the overpopulation crisis were upon us and runaway growth was about to cause catastrophe.

rick moran on July 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM

The world’s population has doubled since that book came out but you don’t think these people feel that we are any closer to the population dooms day that they based their career’s on?

The left is still handwringing about over population all the time. They are obviously not going to talk as publicly about their forced sterilization schemes as the day for implementing the plan approaches.

Buddahpundit on July 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM

I don’t know what movie it’s from (I never watched Minority Report), but I do know Ayn Rand said it, in almost those exact words, in the 60s.

hicsuget on July 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Nice job on the Ayn Rand context but no. Sorry. Try again next time.

C’mon… this movie was only made in ’97… hint hint.

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 6:11 PM

hicsuget on July 11, 2009 at 6:09 PM

BTW: it’s the block quote that the movie quote’s in.

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Restoring science to its proper place.

jimmy2shoes on July 11, 2009 at 6:13 PM

We are actors in the worst horror film of all time ever made… and there’s no exit door and no refund.

katy on July 11, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Even the liberal idiots on the Supreme Court wouldn’t let that stuff stand.

orlandocajun on July 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg told the Times’s Emily Bazelon that “at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”
Care to think that comment over a bit there orlandocajun?

katy on July 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM

WOW. I always knew Obama was a slick nut, but he has some REEEEALLY crazy ideas. Wait till history looks back on this gang of lunatics and radical idealogues. Seriously, if the MSM was in ANY WAY truthful, these people would be exposed for the crooks, nuts and liars that they are. I mean, JUST behind the smiles of Obama and Pelosi is some serious crazy.

marklmail on July 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Chaz706 on July 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM

You surprise me. Before the election my blog was pounced because I pointed out that Palin’s Fruit Fly rif in a speech when she was ragging on earmarks, was about research being done in France on the Olive Fruit Fly, and it was about finding a way to eradicate them. “Scientists” said that fruit fly research had practically cured autism so that made Palin a moron in their eyes and they assured me that Obama would be the best thing that ever happened to science. My argument that the Olive industry – as the beneficiary of the research – could pay for it and if a cure for that left wing maniacal twitch they were demonstrating was accidentally discovered in the death throws of the Olive Fruit Flies, it would still be as good, if not better, than earmark funded accidental discoveries. They assured me that no rational scientist would vote for anyone other than Obama. And yet — here you are. That’s so weird .. and cool. All of my PhD scientist friends voted for Obama and are almost impossible to hang out with anymore. I had completely despaired. You aren’t pretending to be a scientist – are you? Because that would be cruel.

BrideOfRove on July 11, 2009 at 6:22 PM

They were not, as Treacher and Zombie imply, being advocated as something to be employed as a matter of course. Holdren was not advocating these measures as matters of public policy in normal times.

What a surprise, Rick Moran comes to Lil’ Mengele’s defense. Mesh what you say linked above with this, from the genocidal screed,

Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.

It has been concluded? That doesn’t sound like they’re theorizing on a potential Malthusian crisis, sounds like they’ve decided the science is settled and were advocating policy from that statement.

doubleplusundead on July 11, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Wait till history looks back on this gang of lunatics and radical idealogues.
marklmail on July 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM

What history do you speak of dear optimist?

katy on July 11, 2009 at 6:23 PM

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