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posted at 11:00 am on July 11, 2009 by Doctor Zero
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Peggy Noonan used her Friday column in the Wall Street Journal to throw some dirt on Sarah Palin’s grave. It’s vintage Noonan: airheaded, dripping with condescension, and completely missing the point. No serious conservative needs to hear anything from Noonan except her groveling apology for being so horribly wrong about Barack Obama, who she energetically supported for president. However, it’s worth picking through the flotsam and jetsam of this embarrassing column, to appreciate the kind of intellectual fat that conservatives need to trim from the Republican Party.

Let’s begin by setting the stage: Sarah Palin resigned her governorship last week, and has no stated plans to run for elective office as of this writing. She has made it clear that she intends to remain on the public stage, and has a bright and useful future of public speaking, writing, and helping her party raise funds for 2010 and beyond. I personally disagree with the assessment that her resignation killed her political future, if she wants one. It will be an obstacle for her to work around, but I think she could overcome it – especially if Alaskans are clearly pleased with her successor, and think well of her as the 2012 elections get under way.

After referencing the way “The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children,” Noonan says of Palin:

She went on the trail a sensation but demonstrated in the ensuing months that she was not ready to go national and in fact never would be. She was hungry, loved politics, had charm and energy, loved walking onto the stage, waving and doing the stump speech. All good. But she was not thoughtful. She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view (in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism) and swallowing it whole: She never learned how the other sides think, or why.

I always thought the Wall Street Journal had editors that would review columns to make sure they don’t have annoying run-on sentences that don’t use commas but maybe they don’t and never will. Poor sentence construction aside, Noonan couldn’t be more wrong to say Palin’s point of view “could have been a form of liberalism.” No, Peggy. A charismatic woman espousing a form of liberalism would never have to suffer attacks on her children in the media. People who swallow forms of liberalism are never required to understand the first thing about conservative points of view. They aren’t really expected to know anything about the intellectual history of liberalism, either. Barack Obama couldn’t articulate the principles of conservatism if Thomas Sowell hacked into his teleprompter and fed him the words.

Later, Noonan zeroes in on the moment Palin decisively lost the “moderate Republican” snob vote:

She couldn’t say what she read because she didn’t read anything. She was utterly unconcerned by all this and seemed in fact rather proud of it: It was evidence of her authenticity. She experienced criticism as both partisan and cruel because she could see no truth in any of it. She wasn’t thoughtful enough to know she wasn’t thoughtful enough. Her presentation up to the end has been scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence. “I’m not wired that way,” “I’m not a quitter,” “I’m standing up for our values.” I’m, I’m, I’m.

Palin doesn’t “read anything,” you see. She’s probably not even literate. The moment Noonan is fretting over came when Katie Couric asked Palin which newspapers and magazines she reads regularly, and she couldn’t name one. Given the cratering circulation of print media, Palin is clearly in good company. I suspect the sin that truly damns her in Noonan’s eyes is her failure to read Peggy Noonan columns. At least America was spared the horror of a Vice President who doesn’t spend much time reading newspapers. Instead, we got a Vice President who should have left his debate with Palin in a straitjacket, and shows no sign of coherent thought at all.

Of course, it’s risible for a breathless supporter of the Lightworker, Barack Obama, to criticize anyone else for self-referential speech. Obama couldn’t deliver a movie review of “Transformers 2” without referring to himself thirty-five times. Maybe Peggy could publish some guidelines on how often female Republican candidates are allowed to refer to themselves, per minute of speech, without being guilty of arrogance. Would she feel better if Palin talked about herself in the third person, like Bob Dole?

Dismissing the affection conservatives supposedly feel for Palin because of her “working-class roots,” Noonan sneers:

She is not working class, never was, and even she, avid claimer of advantage that she is, never claimed to be and just lets others say it. Her father was a teacher and school track coach, her mother the school secretary. They were middle-class figures of respect, stability and local status. I think intellectuals call her working-class because they see the makeup, the hair, the heels and the sleds and think they’re working class “tropes.” Because, you know, that’s what they teach in “Ways of the Working Class” at Yale and Dartmouth.

… and you’ve got that “Ways of the Working Class” textbook on your desk, don’t you, Peggy? I’ll bet it’s heavily indexed with Post-Its, sticking out from the thick pages in a pastel rainbow. Does anyone else find it surreal that she tries to dismiss Palin’s alleged pretensions to middle-class origins by explaining that her father was a school track coach, and her mother was the school secretary? Whoa, you got her there, Peg. She might pose as a moose-hunting soccer mom, but she was to the manor born. What fools we middle-class conservatives were, to accept this scion of soccer-coaching royalty as one of us, just because she hid her imperial velvet beneath a plaid shirt.

Of the idea that Palin made the Republican Party look inclusive, Noonan snarls, “She makes the party look stupid, a party of the easy manipulated.” Well, that’s what they say at the high-toned Washington cocktail parties, where the elite liberals keep Peggy Noonan as a pet, so it must be true. The vast number of Palin admirers will be thrilled to know that Peggy Noonan thinks they’re stupid. I’m sure that will make them rush right into the waiting arms of Noonan and her weak-tea wing of the GOP.

Speaking of phony appeals to middle-class roots, here’s what Noonan had to say about her Prince Charming, Barack Obama, back in 2008:

He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make.

No attempts to manipulate voters with sob stories about humble upbringings in Barack Obama’s biography, no sir!

Noonan responds to the charge that “the media did her in” by saying “her lack of any appropriate modesty did her in.” Remember, an Obama supporter wrote this. For Peggy’s dreamboat, a replicated Greek temple shows appropriate modesty when giving a convention speech. She probably swooned when Obama modestly spent fifty million bucks on his inauguration, prompting outgoing President Bush to declare a state of emergency, to release federal funds for the event.

Granted that the older column I quoted above was written a couple trillion wasted tax dollars ago, before the advent of Turbo Tax Tim and the rest of Obama’s Epic Fail Cabinet, but you still have to love the way Noonan celebrated Obama’s “good judgement in terms of who to hire and consult.” He sure knew how to pick a spiritual advisor, that’s for sure! If only Sarah Palin could have the good judgement to consult with aging hippie radical terrorists, Peggy might finally admire her for something more than being “a very nice middle-class girl with ambition, appetite and no sense of personal limits.” By the way, Noonan delivers this backhanded compliment immediately after the paragraph where she declares Palin’s middle-classness to be a fraud.

Noonan could have used this column to praise Obama’s good judgement in hiring a deranged eugenicist who favors forced abortions and mass sterilization as his “science czar.” Why did she waste it pouring salt into Zombie Sarah Palin’s mouth and sewing her lips closed, so she could never rise from her political grave to threaten Republican voters again? Here’s why Peggy made the effort to snap you out of your stupid, illiterate, soccer-coach-daughter-loving trance:

Here’s why all this matters. The world is a dangerous place. It has never been more so, or more complicated, more straining of the reasoning powers of those with actual genius and true judgment. This is a time for conservative leaders who know how to think.

Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.

It never occurs to Noonan that those “glimmers of actual secessionist movements” might be caused by freedom-loving people fleeing the “actual genius and true judgment” of the shady, unqualified junior senator she couldn’t wait to sweep into the White House. Hey, Peg, that “admission of bankruptcy” you’re quivering about? That’s coming because your boy Obama crashed the economy, looted the treasury of the future to serve the ultimate pork dinner to his faithful allies, and appointed fools and frauds to supervise his programs. He’s trying to pass a ludicrous energy plan that will cost each American family thousands of dollars, and guarantee a recession for decades to come. If America doesn’t rally to stop him in 2010, he’ll bury what’s left of the moribund economy under the bloodless husk of a nationalized health-care industry. If McCain had won in 2008, then immediately resigned for health reasons and left Palin in the White House, would she have cost us less than a trillion dollars? If so, she’d be a bargain compared to the nightmare Peggy Noonan helped to unleash.

Noonan is symptomatic of a defeated, collaborative wing of the GOP that wants nothing more than to be thought well of by the Left, which they believe has decisively won the political and cultural battles of the twentieth century. Their idea of a “conservative” is someone who can eke out a small discount on the price tag of mammoth liberal programs. Their goal in 2012 is to find a bland, pleasant, “moderate” Republican, who can win the approval of the media mullahs as a “serious candidate,” then lose gracefully and give America’s First Black President his second term. The idea of serious conservative reform terrifies them: radical overhaul of the tax system, dramatic reduction in the size of government, a system that compels Congress to live like humble servants of the people instead of Renaissance royalty… Who will throw those wonderful cocktail parties in Washington, if the conservatives burn half the city down? Who will tell Peggy bedtime stories of dashing social engineers with titanic government schemes? Where will she find hip, exciting statists she can celebrate with schoolgirl treacle, like this nonsense from her 2008 endorsement of Obama: “Something new is happening in America. It is the imminent arrival of a new liberal moment. History happens, it makes its turns, you hold on for dear life. Life moves.” She was on to something with that last bit. Obama has made a lot of American businesses think about moving.

In her conclusion, Noonan writes, “And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.” This is frothy, delusional milk, sprayed on top of a long, boring latte of condescension. Nothing could be less serious than fawning over a hollow President, who wastes his citizens’ time with absurd fantasies about multi-trillion-dollar health care takeovers, piled on top of an already astronomical national debt. The latest polls suggest the public is becoming impatient with the infantile antics of the party Noonan thought should control both houses of Congress, and the presidency. If Peggy wants to see what an unserious, immature party looks like, she should watch video of Nancy Pelosi stammering about how the CIA lied to her, or leaf through the avalanche of scandals engulfing nearly every major Democrat. She could complete her education by dropping by to watch Al Franken squatting in his brand-new Senate seat.

I have a suggestion for the Wall Street Journal: make this Peggy Noonan’s farewell column, and hire Sarah Palin to take her place. Peggy could head over to the Huffington Post, where she’d be received as a martyred hero. The Journal’s circulation would skyrocket. This economy needs a success story.

Okay, okay, here’s the actual link to the Noonan piece. Trust me, you’re better off clicking the one at the top of the page.

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AKGovSarahPalinProblem w/Professional Politicians:They’re more concerned w/holding a title in perpetuity than just accomplishing goals they promised voters
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I’m following the Guv on Twitter. This is her last tweet. This is why I support her.

jimmy2shoes on July 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I stopped reading Noonan a few years back. She and her writing are not worthy of my time.

I believe she (shallowly)looks at Sarah Palin and unconsciously feels her own shortcomings and is deeply enraged. Noonan’s obvious self loathing is projected back onto Sarah Palin through these hit pieces. Clearly she does not want to be associated with anyone like Sarah Palin and by extension anyone who supports her. The converse is also true. Clearly, we who identify with Sarah Palin do not want to be associated with anyone like Peggy Noonan.

Noonan and her ilk are desperately trying to hold onto their vestiges of power when in reality the energy has already shifted and the new paradigm of conservative politics has been reborn in the unlikely Alaskan frontier. I do believe Sarah Palin will ground her populism with increasing solid conservatism.

A few asides. Thank you to Dr.Zero.

Another similar example of the discredit personally bunch:

Sally Quinn made my ears bleed and my throat sore last night with Laura Ingraham on O Reilly. The arrogance of one woman dictating what is best for another publicly without ever even meeting the person in being dictated to is wholly disgusting. And to think Quinn fancy’s herself as a feminist… UGH. Then to claim she knows Sarah Palin resigned to care for her special needs child is ludicrous! Trig has a father and 3 sisters and extended family(in addition to the Gov) that have seemingly taken very good care of him… thank you very much you condescending elitist witch!

Keep up the Palin bashing from left and right and please ignore the unintended consequences…

Buckeye Babe on July 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

For all the correct talk of how we need a true principled conservative in 2012, the problem of the elites like Noonan and independents saddling us with another RINO will still exist with Open primaries.
Steele will stupidly show no desire since he believes it makes the party “more inclusive”.
So we get a replay of 2008.

jjshaka on July 11, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Buckeye Babe on July 11, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Love that handle! Well stated BB, couldn’t agree with you more.

Keemo on July 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I’m following the Guv on Twitter. This is her last tweet. This is why I support her.

jimmy2shoes on July 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Whomever I vote for in 2012 better be able to decide they need to pass the ball before they take the oath of office rather than after.

msmveritas on July 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM

non-sequitor. he wonders why only Palin’s “class” is “petty.” How about yours? Or Noonan’s? Or privileged Obama’s?

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Palin’s “class” is the same as Noonan’s or Obama’s. She’s soon to have a massive book deal and will make millions speaking around the country. And she uses class warfare politics to play you like a fiddle.

crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Palin/Dr. Zero 2012!

A very well written treatise if I ever saw one…outstanding!

NY Conservative on July 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Palin’s “class” is the same as Noonan’s or Obama’s

You made a funny.

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2009 at 2:36 PM

And she uses class warfare politics to play you like a fiddle.

crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Either you are utterly unaware of what she says or you are just lying. Mrs. Palin makes almost no references that could be construed as class warfare. She attacks only Washington and its corruption.

Ted Torgerson on July 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM

“But she was not thoughtful.”

This quote seems to refer more realistically to Noonan than to Palin.

Who ever anointed Noonan, Frum and others as other than liberal in the modern corrupted sense?

burt on July 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Their idea of a “conservative” is someone who can eke out a small discount on the price tag of mammoth liberal programs.

Excellent post, DZ. I’m putting the GOP on notice: nothing short of a repeal of the spendulus is acceptable to me. If you want my vote and my help in 2010, I want real fiscal conservatism, nothing less.

PattyJ on July 11, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Outstanding takedown, Doc. It’s impossible to actively promote the likes of Barak Obama and call yourself a conservative at the same time.

holygoat on July 11, 2009 at 2:51 PM

. Mrs. Palin makes almost no references that could be construed as class warfare.. She attacks only Washington and its corruption.

Ted Torgerson on July 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Her appeal is rooted in resentment and class warfare. She attacks the “washington elite”, the “media elite”, the “hollywood elite” and entire swaths of America that she deems not to be parts of the “real America”. Simply read this thread and see how much class resentment there is.

crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM

How many elections has Peggy Noonan won?

Case closed.

Christien on July 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM

“Their goal in 2012 is to find a bland, pleasant, moderate Republican, who can win the approval of the media mullahs as a “serious candidate,” then lose gracefully and give America’s First Black President his second term.”

Awesome column, Dr. Zero! I have no doubt they will succeed in doing this. And I will refuse to vote for a bland GOPer again.

Great post, Buckeye Babe. I agree with everything you wrote. I have three daughters. Anytime I want to give them an example of what they should NOT grow up to be, I can point to Noonan, Parker, Dowd, Quinn, etc.

NebCon on July 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Morons of the Noonan ilk spout conservative noises while the Hon. Sarah Palin and the hordes of Palinistas actually live it.

Ronnie must be spinning in his grave listening to these railbirds twitter.

My political donations continue to go exclusively to SarahPAC and I’ve warned my wife that if Palin even hints at running, I’ll be away from home for weeks if not months on end. I despise the thought of Iowa or New Hampshire but I reckon I’ll be there with plenty of other misguided souls.

Onager on July 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM

She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view

(in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism)

and swallowing it whole:

She never learned how the other sides think, or why.

WOW! this is a clear cut case of “projection” for Peggy.

Peggy, you don’t get an 80% approval rating without a lot of support from the “other side”.

At the start of her term in 2006, Palin’s platform looked much more Democratic than Republican.

She picked up on Dem calls for ethics reform and backed Democratic stands against oil- and gas-company interests. She made limited mention of abortion and other social-conservative issues.

“I’m sure she visited some Republicans, but mostly the people she visited were Democrats,” says Alaska representative Harry Crawford, an Anchorage Democrat who has known Palin for more than a decade.

“With Sarah, we were able to do things that we’d been trying to do for 25 years.

Then she was picked for McCain’s VP, orders came down from the DNC. “do everything in your power to take her down,”

Hollis French (D) took an already in progress ethics probe (one of the 15 dismissed to date) and PROMISED Obama an “October Surprise” FOR Obama.

And the rest is history.

DSchoen on July 11, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Anyone know why peggynoonan.com is having technical difficulties?

Simona on July 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Peggy who?

OhioCoastie on July 11, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Even as it applies how superficially Noonan discredited Palin,

Another point that discredits Noonan is that she never went beyond the media narrative of Obama that his campaign spun about him. Noonan displays an incredible incuriosity about
onlineanalyst on July 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM

encore touché

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Yes, it’s easy to see how Palin is the working-class poseur here. Just think of how many doors must have been opened to this white girl by her schoolteacher/soccer coach father and her secretary mother. People like that always have major connections! It’s just so unfair. How could poor little Barry, growing up in his Hawaiian condo and attending his elite, expensive private school, ever hope to compete with a girl with all of Palin’s advantages? And what kind of role models could little Barry’s bank-VP-granny and his Ph.D.-mommy and his Harvard-grad-student daddy have been??? Why it’s a miracle that little Barry even learned how to tie his own shoes! Think of all the hardships he had to overcome. Thank God he had all those guts and natural gifts to see him through, right Peggy?

AZCoyote on July 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM

YES! My teacher’s union offers four scholarships for children of members. Two are strictly for minorities and the other two are open to everyone, including the minority students. I never realized just how affluent and upper class we were. It did occur to me though that I was paying big bucks for book rental ( in Indiana middle class parents actually pay for books)and lunch for my kids, while my students got free books, breakfast and lunch. Naturally “free” books can be written in, torn and lost without consequence. Why not, they are free?

Spunky06 on July 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM

I’m putting the GOP on notice: nothing short of a repeal of the spendulus is acceptable to me. If you want my vote and my help in 2010, I want real fiscal conservatism, nothing less.

PattyJ on July 11, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Since the GOP are a minority in both houses, that’s a pretty tall (and unrealistic) order.

ProfessorMiao on July 11, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Her appeal is rooted in resentment and class warfare. She attacks the “washington elite”, the “media elite”, the “hollywood elite” and entire swaths of America that she deems not to be parts of the “real America”. Simply read this thread and see how much class resentment there is.

crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Respectfully, I believe you misinterpret the resentment. The lines of demarcation are country, not class.

phineas on July 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Her appeal is rooted in resentment and class warfare.

crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 2:54 PM

SOCIALISM’s appeal is rooted in resentment and class warfare.

Palin is not a socialist.

You are bent to deny that elitism exists? What have you to say of Walter Kirn’s summation of elitism? Lost In The Meritocracy

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Sometime after I got home from freezing my butt off in Afghanistan in the winter of 2001/2002 my mom, knowing I was a fan, gave me a copy of Peggy Noonan’s Book – A Heart, A Cross and a Flag. It gave me a window onto the thoughts and the mood of folks back home while I was away. I was then, and remain a fan of Peggy’s writing. Every Friday morning my first stop is the Wall Street Journal’s Opinion Section to read her weekly column, as I admire her gift for coining a memorable phrase.

Having said that, I do admit that I’ve had trouble making it to the end of her column these last few months without snorting and thinking, ‘Peggy, what’s happened to you?’

I don’t understand her antipathy toward Sarah Palin. And I am completely baffled by her infatuation with Barack Obama. I hope it proves only a phase she is passing through.

Rather than “the fat conservatives must trim from the Party,” Ms. Noonan represents a wing of Nor’eastern, old-guard Republicans whose way of thinking needs to be changed – by reasoned argument not angry ranting and name calling.

Conservatism is a minority world-view. Ronald Reagan understood that and enlisted Peggy Noonan’s gift for expression in his quest to bring the country around to his way of thinking. Let us not forget that some of his most memorable phases came from her powerful pen. We want her back in the fold.

potkas7 on July 11, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Peggy Noonan? Oh yeah… that blue-blooded northeast RINO that caused me to cancel my subscriptions to every on-line news source and paper that she contributed to.

Worthless traitor, get her the hell outta my tent. Noo room for snobby east-coast autocrats in any tent I will be in. Tell her to go drool over King Barry Hussein’s glistening man-nipples or something.

The Ronin Edge on July 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Quote: “Noonan’s gift for expression in his quest to bring the country around to his way of thinking.”

Himmler was a great writer too. Tell Peggy Noonan the traitor to rot in hell (the deepest level of if if you believe in such a thing), good writers are a dime a dozen.

She’s easily replaceable.

Tent’s to small for pond slime like her.

The Ronin Edge on July 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Is it not obvious to you that she plays on your own petty class resentments?
crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM

More projection. Is it not obvious to you that THAT has been the Democrat Party’s m.o. for decades?
ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM

“your own petty class resentments?”crr6

That’s the current PC newspeak to usurp your own personal identity as nothing beyond a petty class content. Of course, the only “petty” class is the non-elite.
maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Good grief. Listen to yourself. You sound like a Marxist.
crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM

You have yet to clarify how you come to mistake me for a Marxist, crr6.

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Noonan truly becomes unhinged when it comes to Palin. It is said that you can tell who a person really is by observing him when no one is looking. In Noonan’s case, thinking the microphone was turned off, she revealed herself to be a foul-mouthed snob.

Incidentally, Noonan’s claim to fame, which she constantly reminds us of, is that she was a speechwriter for Ronald Reagan. Doesn’t she recall the once universally accepted view, by the chattering classes that she is now a member of, that Reagan was an “amiable dunce”?

Incidentally, though a “pet” of the left, just as some people abuse their own dogs, the same goes for their treatment of Noonan. Lib blogger, Wonkette, while completely agreeing with Noonan’s conclusion’s concerning Palin, gives her a nice kick in the teeth anyway:

Peggy Noonan Chastiseth Thine Wolf-Childe Sarah Palin! Thursdayington, July Nintheth. Sky Princess Peggington Noonington, famous to children for her sparkling, weekly collection-of-paragraphs in the Wall Street Journal business pamphlet, looks at the Street, 100 miles beneath her Park Avenue Penthouse. She seeth seven Motorcars velocitating through an Intersection of Roads, but no Mexicans. (One time, Peggy Noonan saw a Mexican.) Seven, an odd number: it meaneth, “Tonightington, I disliketh Sarah Palin, the Wolf-Childe, in my Writings of Politick.” Snort ye line of pepper and typeth, Peggington, for those who dareth Read.

Here’s the link, but the rest of the article has Wonkette rehashing everything Noonan wrote, and agreeing with her:

Phildorex on July 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Pretty long post, and quite a few comments, for someone who’s no longer on our side.

I’m adding to it, of course (!)

macummings on July 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM

AMEN!

mooseburger on July 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM

crr6 deflecting VolMagic and lorien1973, comparing American conservatism with Osama bin Laden’s.

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Awesome column, Dr. Zero!

Great post, Buckeye Babe. I agree with everything you wrote.

NebCon on July 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM

+1 Awesome & important takedown, Doctor Zero – this needed to happen & I’m just as glad it was you that made it happen!

And if Peggy Noonan ever wants live this down, she needs to look inward, and fix whatever it is that is toying with her basic reasoning abilities.

RD on July 11, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Whatever the case, she’s got some ’splainin’ to do about all those whacky “wise Latina” comments. It’s also come to light that she doesn’t think that the Second Amendment applies to states, which would mean that states and local governments could take a harder line on gun control than the feds. That’s a big deal. More important to me, however, is her position in Ricci and–even more important than the facts of that case–the deceitful manner in which she tried to deprive Ricci of his day in court. Americans can accept the decision of a judicial tribunal, but they can’t accept an arbitrary dismissal of a person’s claim. If one of her liberal collegues hadn’t read about her handling of the case in his local paper, the case would never have been heard by SCOTUS. Read about her conduct here because it’s not getting much publicity.

Confirmation hearings should not be based on casual comments made at various professional organization meetings.

Period.

Focus on her record. The ONLY time personal stuff should be brought up is in the case of Thomas type scandals. Frankly, sexist *ssholes need not be appointed, regardless of race.

The attacks on Sotomayor are frivolous. I may annoy you by saying that, but at least I’m within the majority the public who agrees.

Let it go. We are sick and tired of seeing taxpayer dollars spent on this kind of junk. He’s the president. Like it or not, he gets to appoint Supreme Court nominees. Like it or not, he’s liberal. Like it or not, his appointee WILL be liberal.

And the right cannot complain. The stunt they pulled in the GORE/BUSH election over Florida clearly kicked the “politics don’t matter. they should be objective.” football RIGHT out of the park.

AnninCA on July 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM

These were not casual remarks. They were remarks from a prepared speech. In fact, they were pretty much at the core of the speech, where she was disagreeing with Sandra Day O’Connor for saying that justice was not determined by the race of the jurist.

Far from being an emphatic “No, period,” it beggars belief that this would not be relevant to her role as a judge. I strongly suspect if it were a conservative who had said something similar, you’d be on the opposite side of the question. Which means you would not do well as a judge either.

And you were in the majority until the Ricci case was rejected by the Supreme Court, and people started paying more attention to Sotomayor’s record. That majority is no longer there. Given that most people don’t pay such close attention to the records of Supreme Court nominees, the fact that the majority opinion drained away so fast suggests that the more informed people become about Sotomayor, the less they approve of her.

And I have no idea what stunt you’re talking about Bush pulling in Florida. All I remember was a blatant attempt to steal an election by Gore with constantly shifting explanations and standards. Every attempt to recount votes left Bush ahead, even after disallowing hundreds if not thousands of legitimate military votes. Even after the election was over, multiple news organizations went on a months-long quest to “discover” if Gore had actually won. Every attempt to construct a scenario where Gore won fell flat.

Seriously, the attempt to claim Gore won the election is and always was a disgrace.

There was an upside for the Democrats, though. They’ve gotten much better at voter fraud, as they showed in Washington State and Michigan.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on July 11, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Peggy Noonan hated Palin the second she saw her. Remember the off-mike comments made at the GOP convention?

I cancelled my subscription to National Review yesterday. I will no longer support a magazine who carries the insane drivel of Noonan, Parker and other scum.

Norwegian on July 11, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Noonan is symptomatic of a defeated, collaborative wing of the GOP that wants nothing more than to be thought well of by the Left, which they believe has decisively won the political and cultural battles of the twentieth century. Their idea of a “conservative” is someone who can eke out a small discount on the price tag of mammoth liberal programs. Their goal in 2012 is to find a bland, pleasant, “moderate” Republican, who can win the approval of the media mullahs as a “serious candidate,” then lose gracefully and give America’s First Black President his second term.

Out-freaking-standing. The whole post is excellent.

I don’t understand why a flowery, self-important joke like Noonan still gets published at all.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM

I read this column in the “Journal Online” and thought that if Noonan was teetering at the brink she has now pitched forward and is heading headlong into the abyss.

I think she was drunk when she wrote that column. She no longer has a contribution to make on the conservative side of the spectrum.

Vince on July 11, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Dr. Zero, bravo!

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Palin just wasn’t having anything to do with the stupid Couric question about what do you read. Anyway she answered, there would have been mocking. Would Couric have expected ONE™ to have sounded off with a laundry list of papers and periodicals?

Palin is a Governor. I am sure she has staff who provide daily clippings from many different publications. To actually think she doesn’t read, is just so damn moronic.

PC14 on July 11, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I think you’re exactly right. This whole meme that “Palin can’t read” is because she was just too nice to look at Katie Couric and say, “What a stupid question. Try not to be so condescending and ask better questions.”

Okay, that would probably have been political suicide, too. But I bet that video would have gone viral in no time.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on July 11, 2009 at 4:19 PM

crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM

There should be no talk of class here – the American ideal is a meritocracy.

You bring it up to attempt to sow discord, and to smear conservatives.

And, you don’t ever answer any challenges based on reason and logic.

Weak.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM

your own petty class resentments?

crr6 on July 11, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Hello! Anybody home? Resent people that look down on the middle class because they wear jeans and didn’t attend Ivy League schools? Guilty!

kongzilla on July 11, 2009 at 1:20 PM

You got it. How often have we heard Democrats — those who are just sooooo brimming with love for “the people” and who are their self-appointed saviors — talk about white-trash NASCAR types? About Sarah Palin and her “trailer-trash brood”?

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM

The donks, the msm, and the fat dishonest sleazebag, Chubby McCain, are still doing a number on this woman Audrey Shay. It’s disgusting. I’ve only found one person to stick up for her, and only on a twitter account: Greg Pollowitz.

If conservatives allow these types of attacks on fellow conservatives, don’t cry when they come after you.

Spawn of McCain is jealous and can’t bear the thought that someone else might steal attention away from her unaccomplished self. So, she is attacking Shay and also spreading lies of racism. Probably to cover up her own father’s racism. Meghan McCain is probably a racist, too, because a rotten apple never falls far from the rotten tree.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Oh no!

I got Rickrolled.

pabarge on July 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM

I’m not reading all of these comments, but has anyone here questioned this silly notion of “class” (as least, class as it defines ideology or beliefs)?

foucaultsvac on July 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM

That is one of the best fiskings I have ever read. Congratulations, Doctor Zero. Well done!

Mr. D on July 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Noonan’s writing was always a little sappy for me and I usually had to wipe the tears(from laughter)from my eyes after I read her speeches and articles. She sounds like she’s a little jealous of Sarah to me.

yoda on July 11, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Despite the racists smears of the leftys, the msm, the sleazebag spawn of McCain, and Allahpundit, Ms. Shay has won the election to become head of the young republicans.

Allahpundit has now entered into a fetal position.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Great piece, Zero. I’m so sick of elitists on both sides of the aisle, who may have high IQ’s but are devoid of common sense. These silver-spoon, silver-tongue pinheads truly believe that life is a series of debates: whoever wins the debate carries the day.

The Senate is full of these folks, who spend the better parts of their lives in the ether and have little or no experience or interest in life on the ground.

It’s no mistake that only three senators — Warren G. Harding, John F. Kennedy, and Barack Obama — moved directly from the U.S. Senate to the White House.

Noonan is a fool.

ak2ary on July 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM

She is not working class, never was, and even she, avid claimer of advantage that she is, never claimed to be and just lets others say it. Her father was a teacher and school track coach, her mother the school secretary. They were middle-class figures of respect, stability and local status. I think intellectuals call her working-class because they see the makeup, the hair, the heels and the sleds and think they’re working class “tropes.” Because, you know, that’s what they teach in “Ways of the Working Class” at Yale and Dartmouth.

Ms Noonan,I’ve got something in the middle of my right hand and it damn sure isn’t class.

It never occurs to Noonan that those “glimmers of actual secessionist movements” might be caused by freedom-loving people fleeing the “actual genius and true judgment” of the shady, unqualified junior senator she couldn’t wait to sweep into the White House. Hey, Peg, that “admission of bankruptcy” you’re quivering about? That’s coming because your boy Obama crashed the economy, looted the treasury of the future to serve the ultimate pork dinner to his faithful allies, and appointed fools and frauds to supervise his programs.

Thanks for the rebuttal Doc.
As one who usually lurks and lets the comments be stated by the “seasoned veterans” of Hot Air there are times that posts really piss you off and I responded accordingly to the post.I will now return to lurker status.

raceroh on July 11, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Did Shay make the racial statement, or is that Meg McCain BS?

Megan McCain suffers from the same problem as Peggy Noonan, they have nothing to criticize in Dems but they can find loads bad to say about Republicans. It’s all for our own good they remind us endlessly. A major reason why Palin was embraced was her ability to deliver a clear message the emperor had no clothes. Maybe if others would do it occasionally the base would find it less necessary to cling to Palin.

msmveritas on July 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM

I’m not reading all of these comments, but has anyone here questioned this silly notion of “class” (as least, class as it defines ideology or beliefs)?

foucaultsvac on July 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Several of us have tried to address the utter silliness of the class issue.

This kind of stuff actually points to one of the things we need to do, as conservatives, and as men and women who genuinely care about America.

We need to proclaim that success in America is not about class. We need to celebrate anyone (of any ideology) who succeeds without regard to financial station, or where they were educated.

We need to remember, and remind others, that this should be a meritocracy.

Aside from Ms. Noonan (who seems obsessed with it – it’s a symptom of elitism,) the posters here who bring up the issue do so to create discord.

Then, when challenged, they lack the courage to respond.
(Yes, CRR6, I am talking about you. – respond to me, or to Maverick Muse, whom you maligned earlier in the thread.)

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Ms. Noonan (Muffy) is old enough to remember how hard women fought for equal rights and when a woman like Sarah Palin comes to the forefront, she wants to demonize her.
It’s hard for me to understand why a woman wouldn’t want another woman to do well in politics and also have a family. This is hard to say, but I actually felt sorry for Hillary during the primary…ahhhhhh…welllllll…not that sorry.

yoda on July 11, 2009 at 5:31 PM

I stopped reading Noonan years ago. I will say one thing, Palin is a lot more of a working class American than this silly woman is. Decades ago she helped write some speeches for Reagan…has she had an original thought since then?

And btw, Obama did not get into a private school in Hawaii, or into Harvard without some connections. The idea that he is more a part of working class America than Palin is ridiculous. He is not part of any class of America the way she is. He is as close to a foreigner as any American president ever has been.

Terrye on July 11, 2009 at 5:35 PM

msmveritas:

I am not defending Megan or Peggy, but most of the criticism I have heard about Republicans has not come from either of them, it has come from people on the right who keep telling us the GOP sucks because it is Dem Lite or something.

And why bring Megan into this anyway?

Terrye on July 11, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Yoda – someone else commented Palin has everything Peggy doesn’t, especially an intact marriage and a large loving family, nailed it on why Peggy is so jealous and doesn’t want another woman to do well in politics.

Simona on July 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM

“The idea of serious conservative reform terrifies them: radical overhaul of the tax system, dramatic reduction in the size of government, a system that compels Congress to live like humble servants of the people instead of Renaissance royalty… Who will throw those wonderful cocktail parties in Washington, if the conservatives burn half the city down?”
————
I changed my mind, this is not one of the best, but hands down the best column I’ve ever read on Hot Air. If the Republicans won’t get rid of the Peggy Noonan’s, they will go the way of the Whigs. It might take 50 years, but it will happen.

Simona on July 11, 2009 at 5:45 PM

….way of thinking needs to be changed – by reasoned argument not angry ranting and name calling.

potkas7 on July 11, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Hey, it’s a start. :)

I agree in principle, but part of what happens here is pure, emotional venting. Pompous, myopic dinosaurs of the entrenched media and Washington elite like Noonan are exactly the sorts who are driving this country off of a very steep cliff. That tends to get people riled.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Ack! I got rick rolled as well!! I should have read the comments before clicking on the top link!

Peggy.. time to leave the stage, dear. Your time is at an end.

itzWicks on July 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Whomever I vote for in 2012 better be able to decide they need to pass the ball before they take the oath of office rather than after.

msmveritas on July 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM

That was pretty much decided for her.

jimmy2shoes on July 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Partially OT: On Drudge there is a story linked to the Washington Times about Palin campaigning for CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS. In the story she states she feels excessive partisanship is ruining the country. Interesting – shades of McCain?

KickandSwimMom on July 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Simona on July 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Thanks!

Muffy needs to retract her nails and go back to her bowl of milk!!!!

yoda on July 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Partially OT: On Drudge there is a story linked to the Washington Times about Palin campaigning for CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS. In the story she states she feels excessive partisanship is ruining the country. Interesting – shades of McCain?

KickandSwimMom on July 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM

“…Republican or democrat or no party at all…” is what what Palin said. No news really. She’s been saying the same thing for years and her record in Alaska shows it.

Time to let the titles go and work for honest conservatives. I’m with her 100%.

pugwriter on July 11, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Conservatism is a minority world-view. Ronald Reagan understood that and enlisted Peggy Noonan’s gift for expression in his quest to bring the country around to his way of thinking. Let us not forget that some of his most memorable phases came from her powerful pen. We want her back in the fold.

potkas7 on July 11, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Well spoken; Ms. Noonans technical abilities are not at issue. She has proven that she can write. What needs to be challenged is this; that she has attacked Governor Palin with un-supported cant and venom. That’s what Doctor Zero’s post is about.

But, I need to disabuse you of the notion that conservatism is a minority worldview. Actually, before I do, this caveat; if mean that literally, then Conservatism, as it ha s been understood and practiced in the U.S. may well be a minority worldview.

But in the U.S., as you may already know, a majority consistently identify themselves as either conservative or very conservative. And, those numbers have grown recently.

We fail to see this, when we identify ourselves divisively, as Republicans, Independents, whatever.

Conservatism succeeds when a set of clear principals is articulated and adhered to. Reagan understood this, and invited all who wanted to pull an oar to get into the boat with him. This was the essence of what came to be called his big tent philosophy.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM

People don’t like this Noonan article because it offers some unpleasant truths about the 20 to 40 something generation.

The fact that she uses Palin’s actions to illustrate this just fans the flames of the Paliniac villagers looking to burn it all to the ground when their idol is criticized — some may call that the actions of mindless drones…

Bradky on July 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Did Shay make the racial statement, or is that Meg McCain BS?

msmveritas on July 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Someone posted a comment on her FB and then followed it up with an unacceptable racist comment. Shay responded something to the effect, you tell them! lol. She explained that she was responding to the first comment and not the second which she did not see. That’s what happens when you don’t refresh every minute. The smear artists are arguing that since the racist comment was 8 minutes after the first one, she had to have seen it. Au contraire. I’ve done it myself. If you don’t refresh, you won’t see it. I’ve also had multiple browser pages open and forgot which one is the newest and have posted in the page that has not been refreshed for a long time.

They are now claiming she made some sort of noose comment last fall, but reviewing that exchange it’s b.s., too. She was mocking those who hang effigies of Palin by asking how would they like it if someone did it to Obama and then argued it was free speech as they did with Palin.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Time to let the titles go and work for honest conservatives. I’m with her 100%.

pugwriter on July 11, 2009 at 6:11 PM

+1

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 6:19 PM

msmveritas on July 11, 2009 at 5:20 PM

Forgot to say, thanks for asking. This poor woman is getting slimed all over the internet. AP is more concerned about how falsely labeling this woman a racist reflects on him as opposed to the gross unfairness of it all.

Then again, isn’t that what he and others did to Palin? Smear her and then claim she was no longer a viable candidate due to the smears and lies?

Get ready to see this tactic used again and again against republicans.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 6:19 PM

People don’t like this Noonan article because it offers some unpleasant truths about the 20 to 40 something generation.

Like what, specifically?

The fact that she uses Palin’s actions to illustrate this just fans the flames of the Paliniac villagers looking to burn it all to the ground when their idol is criticized — some may call that the actions of mindless drones…

Bradky on July 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Ad hominem drivel.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM

ERRATA: The smear artists are arguing that since the racist comment was 8 minutes after the first one, she had to have seen it.

The racist comment was a couple of minutes after the first one and Shay’s comment was 8 minutes later. Her explanation still applies and is a valid one.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Well spoken; Ms. Noonans technical abilities are not at issue….

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM

No, actually, they are. The absurdly mannered, showy, look-at-me, faux-intellectualism of Noonan’s writing is absolutely godawful and part of what makes her so unpleasant to read.

I don’t like Wonkette, but the passage someone posted by her satirizing Noonan’s elitist blathering was funny and right on target.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM

“…Republican or democrat or no party at all…” is what what Palin said. No news really. She’s been saying the same thing for years and her record in Alaska shows it.

Time to let the titles go and work for honest conservatives. I’m with her 100%.

pugwriter on July 11, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Agreed. I wonder if the democrats will start looking at her differently now? Maybe they won’t see her as so much of a threat.

KickandSwimMom on July 11, 2009 at 6:28 PM

No, actually, they are. The absurdly mannered, showy, look-at-me, faux-intellectualism of Noonan’s writing is absolutely godawful and part of what makes her so unpleasant to read.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Yep. It’s sort of creepy for an adult woman to write that way.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Django on July 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM

I’ll stand corrected on this one, if you insist. My read on the issue was that it was the substance of Ms. Noonan’s attacks that were the concern; that and the fact that it’s another part of the relentless anti-Palin drumbeat. I won’t go to Wonkette’s site, (I won’t support it in any way) but if I find the parody, I’ll take a look.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM

I happen to agree that in this particular case Noonan was right about Sarah Palin. She hits almost all nails right on the head. Palin is not ready, and she is a quitter.

Now that she has said she will be campaigning for Democratic candidates, that pretty much changes everything. She can never be a Presidential nominee now unless she runs third party, in which case she will get about 15% of the vote and ensure a Democratic victory. That would be catastrophic.

conservativeguy on July 11, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Django on July 11, 2009 at 6:20 PM

you just illustrated my point perfectly. You cannot read an article to see what it talks about but dismiss it because of the person who wrote it.
Too typical of our youngsters today — “I read a snippet on a forum and am now completely informed and will never read anything by the person that poster criticized ever again… long live conservative principles and let’s move on to Galt’s Gulch…”

the drivel is yours my internet pal

Bradky on July 11, 2009 at 6:37 PM

She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view (in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism) and swallowing it whole: She never learned how the other sides think, or why.

I always thought the Wall Street Journal had editors that would review columns to make sure they don’t have annoying run-on sentences that don’t use commas but maybe they don’t and never will. Poor sentence construction aside, Noonan couldn’t be more wrong to say Palin’s point of view “could have been a form of liberalism.”

God, I hate to have to defend Peggy Noonan even in the particulars, but since there are those on here ever-vigilant against straw men, I need to point this out: What Noonan was actually saying was that Governor Palin’s political viewpoints are received wisdom, gained without reflection. Had her family and environment been liberal, she probably would have been liberal, according to Noonan; she has never challenged her own views, still less had a road-to-Damascus moment. That is crap on stilts, as Jonah Goldberg would say, but to be fair, it is evident from the context what Noonan meant, not that Palin’s current views could be misconstrued as liberal.

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM

you just illustrated my point perfectly. You cannot read an article to see what it talks about but dismiss it because of the person who wrote it.
Too typical of our youngsters today — “I read a snippet on a forum and am now completely informed and will never read anything by the person that poster criticized ever again… long live conservative principles and let’s move on to Galt’s Gulch…”

the drivel is yours my internet pal

Bradky on July 11, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Well done. More trite ad hominem without a fact-based argument. If you actually have an argument to make, make it, if you can. You don’t seem to be up to it, though. Apparently, you’re in too much of a snit over the rejection of Noonan’s style and content.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM

I happen to agree that in this particular case Noonan was right about Sarah Palin. She hits almost all nails right on the head. Palin is not ready, and she is a quitter.

Now that she has said she will be campaigning for Democratic candidates, that pretty much changes everything. She can never be a Presidential nominee now unless she runs third party, in which case she will get about 15% of the vote and ensure a Democratic victory. That would be catastrophic.

conservativeguy on July 11, 2009 at 6:36 PM

What specific nails did Ms. Noonan hit?
By extension, what did Dr. Zero miss?
How is Palin “not ready.” And what qualities would you suggest make Barack Obama “ready.?”

As for the last part of your post;

Now that she has said she will be campaigning for Democratic candidates, that pretty much changes everything. She can never be a Presidential nominee now unless she runs third party, in which case she will get about 15% of the vote and ensure a Democratic victory. That would be catastrophic.

Directly from the Washington Times article, which is linked on Drudge:

“and she is eager to campaign for Republicans, independents and even Democrats who share her values on limited government, strong defense and “energy independence.”"

Doesn’t sound like third party positioning to me. Sounds like including like minded people who want to work with you toward a common goal.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Repeatedly labeling her a quitter is another smear tactic. Normally, it’s referred to as resigning. But nothing is too petty when it comes to sliming Gov. Palin, eh?

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 7:05 PM

I never heard of Peggy Noonan or Sally Quinn or any of those other obnoxious pundits who remind me of the snooty women my mother would drag me to luncheons or teas with when I was young… They have latched on to the other trick they know of to get attention ….attack Sarah Palin… These old bags need to go away alrady.

CCRWM on July 11, 2009 at 7:11 PM

There is so much wrong with DocZero’s article here that I have to believe he suffers from a serious lack of reading comprehension. I’m not sure where to begin.

1. Peggy Noonan did not support Barack Obama for president. This is just class warfare from sulking conservatives who want to pretend that they’re being put upon by an elite class controlling the Republican party. It’s bull. Noonan endorsed McCain, and in fact she was one of the most eloquent defenders of Palin when the liberal media was publishing scurrilous rumors about Palin’s children. This is just another example of these Leninist “conservatives” who have decided that any criticism of their sacred cows must be supportive of the other side. Ace had it right.

2. Apparently DocZero can’t understand the distinction between “working class” and “middle class.” If he could read, he’d notice that Noonan was making that distinction. Palin is not “working class.” She is not the child of steelworkers or fishermen. She is the middle class product of schoolteacher parents.

3. If you have to resort to criticizing Noonan’s grammar (and getting your criticism wrong, by the way), it means you are filling space that can’t be filled with criticism of substance. Here’s a suggestion: go back to elementary school and learn what a run-on sentence actually is.

Sarah Palin is a quitter. Maybe she’ll come back like gangbusters in 2012, and I’ll be happy to support her. But I’m not going to bet on it.

Maybe in the meantime, Doc, you can learn to read. You sure as hell aren’t demonstrating any ability in that area here.

Caiwyn on July 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I never heard of Peggy Noonan or Sally Quinn or any of those other obnoxious pundits who remind me of the snooty women my mother would drag me to luncheons or teas with when I was young… They have latched on to the other only trick they know of to get attention …attack Sarah Palin… These old bags need to go away already. Oh and these old bags include Frum, Murphy and Brooks too…

CCRWM on July 11, 2009 at 7:11 PM

CCRWM on July 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM

You had way too much fun fisking that column, Dr. Zero. Well done.

evergreen on July 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Caiwyn on July 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Caiwyn, there are only (2) possible outcomes here;
1. Doctor Zero will choose not to respond. Maybe because he thinks your post is silly. Maybe because he doesn’t want to. This is the best possible outcome for you.
2. He will scald you with the raw heat of his response. You will get burned.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 7:17 PM

My read on the issue was that it was the substance of Ms. Noonan’s attacks that were the concern; that and the fact that it’s another part of the relentless anti-Palin drumbeat….
massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Well, yes, you’re right about that. Her substance, or lack thereof, is the primary concern. It’s just that her writing style is, to me, like fingernails on a chalkboard. In my opinion, it underscores the pretentious arrogance of her beliefs. I didn’t mean to sound like I was jumping on you.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 7:18 PM

That is crap on stilts, as Jonah Goldberg would say, but to be fair, it is evident from the context what Noonan meant, not that Palin’s current views could be misconstrued as liberal.

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 6:52 PM

I read the critique of Noonan as simply disputing that Palin doesn’t articulate a reflective, informed conservative viewpoint. It was only after I heard Palin say that she was a “child of the Reagan era” that I started thinking how much I was, too. Now, that may mean neither Palin nor I are deep enough for Ms. Noonan, but Palin obviously has thought about what a conservative viewpoint means. Doctor Zero, as I read it, was pointing out that it is Obama who can’t see the forest or the trees. That’s why he insists he’s a centrist, and does such a terrible job of construing the viewpoints of his opponents- he doesn’t know what it means not to be liberal.

evergreen on July 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Django on July 11, 2009 at 7:18 PM

No problem; we all have our peeves.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM

I never heard of Peggy Noonan or Sally Quinn or any of those other obnoxious pundits who remind me of the snooty women my mother would drag me to luncheons or teas with when I was young… They have latched on to the other trick they know of to get attention ….attack Sarah Palin… These old bags need to go away alrady.

CCRWM on July 11, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Quinn was hired by the WaPo after Ben Bradlee saw her photo in a newspaper and had someone call her and ask her to come in for a job interview. She told Bradlee that she had never written anything in her life and his response was, nobody’s perfect, you’re hired, let’s fk.

Blake on July 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM

That’s why he [Obama] insists he’s a centrist,

That, and to fool the more gullible portions of the electorate. Including, apparently, Ms. Noonan.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Who is this Doctor Zero of which you speak?

His sword is keenly honed

and his thrusts run true.

Man, I’m not even going to comment further. Dr. Zero drew and quartered noonan, then ran the remains through the tree shredder a couple of times… EXCELLENT!!!

bullseye on July 11, 2009 at 7:43 PM

bullseye on July 11, 2009 at 7:43 PM

But, but, but Caiwyn says he can’t even read!

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 7:51 PM

2. Apparently DocZero can’t understand the distinction between “working class” and “middle class.” If he could read, he’d notice that Noonan was making that distinction. Palin is not “working class.” She is not the child of steelworkers or fishermen. She is the middle class product of schoolteacher parents.

Caiwyn on July 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Ms. Noonan — surprise, surprise — is applying a European construction to an American situation to which it does not apply. The Europeans make a class division between the bourgeioisie and the proletariat; the proletariat works with its hands, while the bourgeoisie does not. Ms. Noonan is trying to score a pedantic, cheap point by accusing Governor Palin of being misleading by claiming to be “working class” — e.g., a prole — when she is actually “middle class” — e.g., a bourgeoise. In Europe, this distinction is a relic of the feudal period, where manual labor was considered dishonorable. This distinction has never been an issue in the United States except by those trying to import Marxism, for which this distinction is vital. In the United States, class division, to the extent that it exists, is defined by income, not the nature of one’s job. To call a union steelworker or an Alaskan fisherman a member of the “working class” and a school secretary or schoolteacher a member of the “middle class” is a ridiculous distinction on its face in the United States. In fact, the only commonly accepted use of that meme in the US would be to invert it; the steelworker or fisherman would be “middle class” while the secretary or schoolteacher would be “working class,” since the steelworker or fisherman would likely make considerably more than the teacher and secretary combined. Regardless of whether or not DrZ understands the difference between “middle class” and “working class,” I submit that you do not.

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Sorry — my “e.g.”s should have been “i.e.”s.

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Sorry — my “e.g.”s should have been “i.e.”s.

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Caiwyn wouldn’t have caught that.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM

O.T.; In the headline threads “CO Governor Ritter steered stimulus funds to ex-employer.”

I read the article, which was from CBS News.

Nowhere is his party affiliation mentioned.

Must be a Republican, then!

/sarc.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 8:00 PM

Partially OT: On Drudge there is a story linked to the Washington Times about Palin campaigning for CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS. In the story she states she feels excessive partisanship is ruining the country. Interesting – shades of McCain?

KickandSwimMom on July 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Shades of McCain? No. She’s just saying that party labels are meaningless (see Mike Murphy, Peggy Noonan, David Brooks et al). Excessive partisanship right now rests on the side that would use Palin’s kids in an attempt to destroy her. She more than anyone else has absolutely no illusions about the moonbat “culture”.

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 8:14 PM

Confirmation hearings should not be based on casual comments made at various professional organization meetings.

Period.

When a SCOTUS nominee makes casual, bigoted reamrks about ‘people of color’ or ‘womyn’ be sure to check in with us, OK?

Focus on her record. The ONLY time personal stuff should be brought up is in the case of Thomas type scandals. Frankly, sexist *ssholes need not be appointed, regardless of race.

Did I miss something? Was there ever any proof that Justice Thomas did ANYTHING wrong? (except not obeying the commands of the progressive overseers on the Lib Plantation?)

The attacks on Sotomayor are frivolous. I may annoy you by saying that, but at least I’m within the majority the public who agrees.

Might be true, please provide link to support this…. since we’ve all read that clause in the Constitution that says the majority opinion trumps everything else….

Let it go. We are sick and tired of seeing taxpayer dollars spent on this kind of junk. He’s the president. Like it or not, he gets to appoint Supreme Court nominees.

“advice and consent..”?

Like it or not, he’s liberal. Like it or not, his appointee WILL be liberal.

And the right cannot complain. The stunt they pulled in the GORE/BUSH election over Florida clearly kicked the “politics don’t matter. they should be objective.” football RIGHT out of the park.

AnninCA on July 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Thirsty for the Truth? OH YEAH !!!

http://www.evilscale.com/vote.aspx?nomineeid=309

Red State State of Mind on July 11, 2009 at 8:22 PM

I just read an interesting article about Palin and media bias, the most interesting thing is that the writer is not a conservative, but he is objective enough to see what so many of us saw:

Those were alarming mistakes. To me Biden’s most discordant claims concerned his Animal House-like history lecture about the office of the vice president. It came while Biden was dressing down Dick Cheney, who was not present, for supposedly being unfamiliar with the Constitution. “The idea (that) he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States – that’s the executive branch – he works in the executive branch,” Biden said. “He should understand that. Everyone should understand that. And the primary role of the vice president of the United States is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and, as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there’s a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit….He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he’s part of the legislative branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive, and look where it has gotten us.”
Lord, would Tina Fey have had fun with this jumble of misinformation – if only Palin had said it! Article I defines the legislative, not executive, branch. The vice president is, indeed, mentioned there. What Biden finds “explicit,” hasn’t been so to previous vice presidents or to most constitutional scholars. Prior to the 20th century, vice presidents didn’t even have offices at the White House compound – they were housed in the Capitol. The notion that a veep’s constitutional authority is to provide advice to a president springs from Biden’s brow; it certainly isn’t mentioned, or even contemplated, in the Constitution, which doesn’t even say whether the vice president should receive a salary.
Should Joe Biden have known this stuff? Since he chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee, you’d hope so. But even if he didn’t, you’d think it would be news when he unleashed a veritable fount of misinformation to impugn Palin’s knowledge of the federal system while attacking a sitting vice president. It barely rated a mention in the collective mainstream media.
Facts matter, the man said. But they didn’t in 2008, not when it came to Joe Biden (our guy) against Sarah Palin (odd outsider). The ladies and gentlemen of the press were more interested in her hair, her glasses, her wardrobe, he accent, her sex life, her kids’ sex lives, and her hunting habits than in whether her opponent knew anything about foreign policy, the Constitution of the United States, or the job he was running for. They still are. The relentlessly negative coverage of Palin goes on unabated — she’s the subject of a much-ballyhooed hatchet job in Vanity Fair this month — even as Biden makes minor news from time to time by continuing his penchant for gaffes, this time while serving as the second most powerful person in the federal government.

I do not agree with everything in this article, but I was struck by how insightful the guy was. Read the whole thing.

Terrye on July 11, 2009 at 8:23 PM

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Absolutely right and very clearly explained.

Django on July 11, 2009 at 8:26 PM

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