A Seemingly Very Nice Middle-Class Girl

posted at 11:00 am on July 11, 2009 by Doctor Zero

Peggy Noonan used her Friday column in the Wall Street Journal to throw some dirt on Sarah Palin’s grave. It’s vintage Noonan: airheaded, dripping with condescension, and completely missing the point. No serious conservative needs to hear anything from Noonan except her groveling apology for being so horribly wrong about Barack Obama, who she energetically supported for president. However, it’s worth picking through the flotsam and jetsam of this embarrassing column, to appreciate the kind of intellectual fat that conservatives need to trim from the Republican Party.

Let’s begin by setting the stage: Sarah Palin resigned her governorship last week, and has no stated plans to run for elective office as of this writing. She has made it clear that she intends to remain on the public stage, and has a bright and useful future of public speaking, writing, and helping her party raise funds for 2010 and beyond. I personally disagree with the assessment that her resignation killed her political future, if she wants one. It will be an obstacle for her to work around, but I think she could overcome it – especially if Alaskans are clearly pleased with her successor, and think well of her as the 2012 elections get under way.

After referencing the way “The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children,” Noonan says of Palin:

She went on the trail a sensation but demonstrated in the ensuing months that she was not ready to go national and in fact never would be. She was hungry, loved politics, had charm and energy, loved walking onto the stage, waving and doing the stump speech. All good. But she was not thoughtful. She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view (in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism) and swallowing it whole: She never learned how the other sides think, or why.

I always thought the Wall Street Journal had editors that would review columns to make sure they don’t have annoying run-on sentences that don’t use commas but maybe they don’t and never will. Poor sentence construction aside, Noonan couldn’t be more wrong to say Palin’s point of view “could have been a form of liberalism.” No, Peggy. A charismatic woman espousing a form of liberalism would never have to suffer attacks on her children in the media. People who swallow forms of liberalism are never required to understand the first thing about conservative points of view. They aren’t really expected to know anything about the intellectual history of liberalism, either. Barack Obama couldn’t articulate the principles of conservatism if Thomas Sowell hacked into his teleprompter and fed him the words.

Later, Noonan zeroes in on the moment Palin decisively lost the “moderate Republican” snob vote:

She couldn’t say what she read because she didn’t read anything. She was utterly unconcerned by all this and seemed in fact rather proud of it: It was evidence of her authenticity. She experienced criticism as both partisan and cruel because she could see no truth in any of it. She wasn’t thoughtful enough to know she wasn’t thoughtful enough. Her presentation up to the end has been scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence. “I’m not wired that way,” “I’m not a quitter,” “I’m standing up for our values.” I’m, I’m, I’m.

Palin doesn’t “read anything,” you see. She’s probably not even literate. The moment Noonan is fretting over came when Katie Couric asked Palin which newspapers and magazines she reads regularly, and she couldn’t name one. Given the cratering circulation of print media, Palin is clearly in good company. I suspect the sin that truly damns her in Noonan’s eyes is her failure to read Peggy Noonan columns. At least America was spared the horror of a Vice President who doesn’t spend much time reading newspapers. Instead, we got a Vice President who should have left his debate with Palin in a straitjacket, and shows no sign of coherent thought at all.

Of course, it’s risible for a breathless supporter of the Lightworker, Barack Obama, to criticize anyone else for self-referential speech. Obama couldn’t deliver a movie review of “Transformers 2” without referring to himself thirty-five times. Maybe Peggy could publish some guidelines on how often female Republican candidates are allowed to refer to themselves, per minute of speech, without being guilty of arrogance. Would she feel better if Palin talked about herself in the third person, like Bob Dole?

Dismissing the affection conservatives supposedly feel for Palin because of her “working-class roots,” Noonan sneers:

She is not working class, never was, and even she, avid claimer of advantage that she is, never claimed to be and just lets others say it. Her father was a teacher and school track coach, her mother the school secretary. They were middle-class figures of respect, stability and local status. I think intellectuals call her working-class because they see the makeup, the hair, the heels and the sleds and think they’re working class “tropes.” Because, you know, that’s what they teach in “Ways of the Working Class” at Yale and Dartmouth.

… and you’ve got that “Ways of the Working Class” textbook on your desk, don’t you, Peggy? I’ll bet it’s heavily indexed with Post-Its, sticking out from the thick pages in a pastel rainbow. Does anyone else find it surreal that she tries to dismiss Palin’s alleged pretensions to middle-class origins by explaining that her father was a school track coach, and her mother was the school secretary? Whoa, you got her there, Peg. She might pose as a moose-hunting soccer mom, but she was to the manor born. What fools we middle-class conservatives were, to accept this scion of soccer-coaching royalty as one of us, just because she hid her imperial velvet beneath a plaid shirt.

Of the idea that Palin made the Republican Party look inclusive, Noonan snarls, “She makes the party look stupid, a party of the easy manipulated.” Well, that’s what they say at the high-toned Washington cocktail parties, where the elite liberals keep Peggy Noonan as a pet, so it must be true. The vast number of Palin admirers will be thrilled to know that Peggy Noonan thinks they’re stupid. I’m sure that will make them rush right into the waiting arms of Noonan and her weak-tea wing of the GOP.

Speaking of phony appeals to middle-class roots, here’s what Noonan had to say about her Prince Charming, Barack Obama, back in 2008:

He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make.

No attempts to manipulate voters with sob stories about humble upbringings in Barack Obama’s biography, no sir!

Noonan responds to the charge that “the media did her in” by saying “her lack of any appropriate modesty did her in.” Remember, an Obama supporter wrote this. For Peggy’s dreamboat, a replicated Greek temple shows appropriate modesty when giving a convention speech. She probably swooned when Obama modestly spent fifty million bucks on his inauguration, prompting outgoing President Bush to declare a state of emergency, to release federal funds for the event.

Granted that the older column I quoted above was written a couple trillion wasted tax dollars ago, before the advent of Turbo Tax Tim and the rest of Obama’s Epic Fail Cabinet, but you still have to love the way Noonan celebrated Obama’s “good judgement in terms of who to hire and consult.” He sure knew how to pick a spiritual advisor, that’s for sure! If only Sarah Palin could have the good judgement to consult with aging hippie radical terrorists, Peggy might finally admire her for something more than being “a very nice middle-class girl with ambition, appetite and no sense of personal limits.” By the way, Noonan delivers this backhanded compliment immediately after the paragraph where she declares Palin’s middle-classness to be a fraud.

Noonan could have used this column to praise Obama’s good judgement in hiring a deranged eugenicist who favors forced abortions and mass sterilization as his “science czar.” Why did she waste it pouring salt into Zombie Sarah Palin’s mouth and sewing her lips closed, so she could never rise from her political grave to threaten Republican voters again? Here’s why Peggy made the effort to snap you out of your stupid, illiterate, soccer-coach-daughter-loving trance:

Here’s why all this matters. The world is a dangerous place. It has never been more so, or more complicated, more straining of the reasoning powers of those with actual genius and true judgment. This is a time for conservative leaders who know how to think.

Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.

It never occurs to Noonan that those “glimmers of actual secessionist movements” might be caused by freedom-loving people fleeing the “actual genius and true judgment” of the shady, unqualified junior senator she couldn’t wait to sweep into the White House. Hey, Peg, that “admission of bankruptcy” you’re quivering about? That’s coming because your boy Obama crashed the economy, looted the treasury of the future to serve the ultimate pork dinner to his faithful allies, and appointed fools and frauds to supervise his programs. He’s trying to pass a ludicrous energy plan that will cost each American family thousands of dollars, and guarantee a recession for decades to come. If America doesn’t rally to stop him in 2010, he’ll bury what’s left of the moribund economy under the bloodless husk of a nationalized health-care industry. If McCain had won in 2008, then immediately resigned for health reasons and left Palin in the White House, would she have cost us less than a trillion dollars? If so, she’d be a bargain compared to the nightmare Peggy Noonan helped to unleash.

Noonan is symptomatic of a defeated, collaborative wing of the GOP that wants nothing more than to be thought well of by the Left, which they believe has decisively won the political and cultural battles of the twentieth century. Their idea of a “conservative” is someone who can eke out a small discount on the price tag of mammoth liberal programs. Their goal in 2012 is to find a bland, pleasant, “moderate” Republican, who can win the approval of the media mullahs as a “serious candidate,” then lose gracefully and give America’s First Black President his second term. The idea of serious conservative reform terrifies them: radical overhaul of the tax system, dramatic reduction in the size of government, a system that compels Congress to live like humble servants of the people instead of Renaissance royalty… Who will throw those wonderful cocktail parties in Washington, if the conservatives burn half the city down? Who will tell Peggy bedtime stories of dashing social engineers with titanic government schemes? Where will she find hip, exciting statists she can celebrate with schoolgirl treacle, like this nonsense from her 2008 endorsement of Obama: “Something new is happening in America. It is the imminent arrival of a new liberal moment. History happens, it makes its turns, you hold on for dear life. Life moves.” She was on to something with that last bit. Obama has made a lot of American businesses think about moving.

In her conclusion, Noonan writes, “And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.” This is frothy, delusional milk, sprayed on top of a long, boring latte of condescension. Nothing could be less serious than fawning over a hollow President, who wastes his citizens’ time with absurd fantasies about multi-trillion-dollar health care takeovers, piled on top of an already astronomical national debt. The latest polls suggest the public is becoming impatient with the infantile antics of the party Noonan thought should control both houses of Congress, and the presidency. If Peggy wants to see what an unserious, immature party looks like, she should watch video of Nancy Pelosi stammering about how the CIA lied to her, or leaf through the avalanche of scandals engulfing nearly every major Democrat. She could complete her education by dropping by to watch Al Franken squatting in his brand-new Senate seat.

I have a suggestion for the Wall Street Journal: make this Peggy Noonan’s farewell column, and hire Sarah Palin to take her place. Peggy could head over to the Huffington Post, where she’d be received as a martyred hero. The Journal’s circulation would skyrocket. This economy needs a success story.

Okay, okay, here’s the actual link to the Noonan piece. Trust me, you’re better off clicking the one at the top of the page.

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manofaiki on July 11, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Sadly, Crr6 is hiding.
Too many people responded with thoughtful reasoning to his/her irrational posts.

You need a third choice for this sentence:

You’re either stupid or completely agree with the far-Left’s view of middle America.

Cowardly.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Noonan is many years beyond her sell-by date.

Leeching off Palin to remain noticed, Peggy is a pathetic blip.

profitsbeard on July 11, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Muffy is just like “token Republicans”, David Gergen and Scott McClellan who were the darlings of every liberal news program on t.v. Otherwise, no one would know that they existed if Sissy Chrissy and Uncouth Olbermann didn’t put them on their programs.

yoda on July 11, 2009 at 10:00 PM

What I don’t get is this, even if what Noonan wrote was correct, Sarah Palin was running for VP!! How many nominated VPs who lost have gotten this much attention? Hell, I can’t even remember most of the names of them!
Noonan is just writing the “intellectual” version of what the others from Huffpo and Salon have written.

4shoes on July 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Leeching off Palin to remain noticed, Peggy is a pathetic blip.

profitsbeard on July 11, 2009 at 9:55 PM

In orbit around the popular girl, to get the cast offs!

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Leeching off Palin to remain noticed, Peggy is a pathetic blip.

profitsbeard on July 11, 2009 at 9:55 PM

In orbit around the popular girl, to get the cast offs!

Must.Use.Preview.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 10:16 PM

1. Peggy Noonan did not support Barack Obama for president. This is just class warfare from sulking conservatives who want to pretend that they’re being put upon by an elite class controlling the Republican party. It’s bull. Noonan endorsed McCain, and in fact she was one of the most eloquent defenders of Palin when the liberal media was publishing scurrilous rumors about Palin’s children. This is just another example of these Leninist “conservatives” who have decided that any criticism of their sacred cows must be supportive of the other side. Ace had it right.

Caiwyn on July 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I don’t know which candidate got Noonan’s vote, and don’t really care. The fact is, though, that she was disdainful of Palin from the get-go; then came to her “eloquent defense” when it was clear that Palin was firing up the base and giving McCain a big boost in the polls; then disdainful again once it was clear that McCain was going to lose. Noonan is a camp-following time-server, like David Brooks, David Frum and Christopher Buckley, among others. Being disgusted with them is less “Leninistic” than reserving one’s admiration and respect for those who show integrity and consistency.

I don’t mind criticism of Palin as a politician. Fair game. But it’s a little silly to write the woman off continually as dead or stupid or woefully inadequate or whatever the slime du jour is. If she’s all the above, then her detractors would just ignore her and get on with the business of creating their Leftist or Moderate Utopia.

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM

then her detractors would just ignore her and get on with the business of creating their Leftist or Moderate Utopia.

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM

So if she’s preventing them from doing that, or even distracting them from doing it more forcefully than they are now, then Sarah Palin is already serving America!

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM

I have a suggestion for the Wall Street Journal: make this Peggy Noonan’s farewell column, and hire Sarah Palin to take her place. Peggy could head over to the Huffington Post

I have a suggestion for National Review. Hire the Doc.

Saltysam on July 11, 2009 at 10:30 PM

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 10:26 PM

I totally agree with you.

yoda on July 11, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Actually, I castigate Obama as an empty suit. You see, in this case, the clothes have no emperor.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM


lol

RalphyBoy on July 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Noonan is reminiscent of the court surrounding Loius XVI.

Saltysam on July 11, 2009 at 10:41 PM

RalphyBoy on July 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Thanks – not mine originally, and I can’t even remember who I stole if from.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 10:42 PM

I’ve concluded this is the last Noonan article I’ll ever read in the Weekend Journal. I’ll instead join my children watching Max and Ruby.

bogginator on July 11, 2009 at 10:46 PM

This part of the piece above is complete fantasy and simply made up.

helping her party raise funds

Please correct that.

gocatholic on July 11, 2009 at 10:53 PM

This part of the piece above is complete fantasy and simply made up.

helping her party raise funds
Please correct that.

gocatholic on July 11, 2009 at 10:53 PM

Please explain, using logic, how that’s fantasy?

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 10:57 PM

What I don’t get is this, even if what Noonan wrote was correct, Sarah Palin was running for VP!! How many nominated VPs who lost have gotten this much attention? Hell, I can’t even remember most of the names of them!
Noonan is just writing the “intellectual” version of what the others from Huffpo and Salon have written.

4shoes on July 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM

Don’t be misled: Governor Palin represents every bit the threat to the Republican mandarins and viziers that she does to the Democratic Party, maybe more so. The man never lived who admired William F. Buckley, Jr., more than I do, but his successors misunderstood his success. Mr Buckley was a subversive intellectual. By advertising his intellectual and cultural inaccessibility in an ironic fashion, he became a public intellectual and a celebrity, and in so doing helped to galvanize the masses who shared his beliefs, even if in a less intellectual fashion. By his unrepentant if ironic elitism, he became one of the most effective populists of our age. He used the power gained thereby to purge the conservative movement of certain elements (the Birchers, the Randians, etc.) — not because they were backward, but because they were atavistic and, more importantly, unelectable.

Those who came after him caught the elitism but missed the irony. They craved worship as intellectuals, as Mr Buckley was worshipped as an intellectual, and the long slow decline of the conservative intellectual franchise has come as they have found that the easiest route thereto is to find common cause with the true overlords of the intellectual establishment, all of whom are liberal. They mistook his cognizance of dangerous atavism for embarrassment at being associated with “flyover country” elements of the conservative movement. Of the myriad charges that Mr Buckley levelled at foes liberal and conservative alike, I defy anyone to show me an instance where one was dismissed for being lightweight — “not thoughtful enough,” in Ms Noonan’s formulation. Perhaps Mr Buckley’s most famous quote — the one about having rather been governed by the first 2000 names in the Boston phone book than the 2000 members of the Harvard faculty — is justly remembered as a delicious bon mot puncturing the vanity of the intellectual elite, but to stop at relishing the venom of the remark is to do him an injustice, as he was not a venomous man. His overarching point is that the education, both formal and — more importantly — practical, of the average American citizen is more than sufficient to detect the problems and divine the solutions of the United States, and an elitist attitude just gets in the way. Mr Buckley’s raison d’etre was to demolish intellectual pretension and thereby to open the way for those previously dismissed as the great unwashed to join the conversation at the highest levels. His successors seem intent on gluing back together the pottery that he smashed, because they lack the wit to truly understand him.

I didn’t mean this as an encomium when I started, and I don’t want to leave it without getting back to my original point. Governor Palin represents all that these people fear, because they misunderstood what Mr Buckley feared — he feared association with racism and xenophobia, while they fear association with the rubes, and think that he did, too. They hate her Alaskan accent, her big hair, her family issues, her pointed remarks, because when they’re sitting down with the aforementioned Harvard faculty (or conferences where NYT or New Republic are present, or symposia where the Brookings Institute may be represented), they don’t want to have to defend her, and are embarrassed to agree with her.

I’ve probably painted with too broad a brush here; Jonah Goldberg, probably, and Mark Steyn, definitely, are exceptions to this description. In the main, though, this may help you understand why the intellectual and political leaders of the Republican Party damn Governor Palin with faint praise as they gladhand her toward the bus under which she’s shortly to be thrown. I’ve gone on way too long; for anyone that made it this far, thank you for your forbearance.

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM

You are a talented writer, I enjoyed your comment a great deal. I agree with your point, Palin is every bit as threatening to the leaders of the Republican Party, maybe more so than she is to the left currently. Initially Palin was a huge threat to the left which is why the attacks were so vicious. It was only after she was widely embraced by the Republican base that the likes of Noonan et al., saw the need to pile on.

While I think she can do a great service in promoting conservative candidates and fund raising certainly, I think she is far too convenient a scapegoat and distraction to take on Obama in the 2012 election.

msmveritas on July 11, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Dr Z – unlike Peggy Noonan, you sir, are a brilliant writer. Almost seems a shame to waste the talent on Noonan. Just this sentence alone made it worth the time I invested in the post:

That’s coming because your boy Obama crashed the economy, looted the treasury of the future to serve the ultimate pork dinner to his faithful allies, and appointed fools and frauds to supervise his programs.

Thank you.
loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM – I read it all and agree with your assessment of Buckley. His influence was widespread and impacted people of all “classes”. I learned about him from my non-college educated, secretary sister who admired him. Odd though that he was so damned pretentious. But I think that a lot of the fear for Sarah stems from the knowledge that political success depends on capturing the vote of women as a block. Something I think the Dems usually do and they see that Sarah has the potential to do that for the Republicans.

mph on July 11, 2009 at 11:49 PM

loneloc on July 11, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Very good comment, and I think we can distill it down even further: what would Buckley and Reagan have thought and said about Sarah Palin? Ronald Reagan would’ve LOVED her.

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 11:50 PM

But I think that a lot of the fear for Sarah stems from the knowledge that political success depends on capturing the vote of women as a block. Something I think the Dems usually do and they see that Sarah has the potential to do that for the Republicans.

mph on July 11, 2009 at 11:49 PM

I’d agree, up to a point. I don’t like the balkanization aspect. It’s a loser for the GOP. Sarah Palin is feared because she galvanizes conservative support quite apart from “blocs”. And that’s a winner.

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 11:52 PM

And I think if she had simply had the wherewithal to tell Katie Couric that she reads the Wall Street Journal and the Anchorage Daily News, we might not be having this conversation.

mph on July 11, 2009 at 11:54 PM

And I think if she had simply had the wherewithal to tell Katie Couric that she reads the Wall Street Journal and the Anchorage Daily News, we might not be having this conversation.

mph on July 11, 2009 at 11:54 PM

No, I think if she had been put out there to give lots of interviews, we wouldn’t be focused solely on a couple.

Palin obviously reads. The assumption even before the interview was that Palin is a dolt, because that’s what the lefties needed the meme to be. If she had said the Wall Street Journal and the ADN, the next step would have been to demand that she give some in-depth analysis of those papers’ news stories to show that she did indeed read them.

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 11:57 PM

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Fair enough but I think the Republicans already have the votes of the men, if they could capture the women’s also they would have a chance. Isn’t that why McCain chose her? You may not like blocs but I think that the party strategists target them. Most women vote Dem.

mph on July 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Fair enough but I think the Republicans already have the votes of the men, if they could capture the women’s also they would have a chance. Isn’t that why McCain chose her? You may not like blocs but I think that the party strategists target them. Most women vote Dem.

mph on July 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM

The party strategists have hardly been stellar over the past few years. If you have a strong and consistent message, you won’t have to worry about pandering to whatever group.

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Well we don’t know that and we never will. But by blanking on that question, she blew it.

mph on July 12, 2009 at 12:02 AM

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Obama did and still is pandering to groups. That’s how they won the election and plan to keep power. You can have a strong and consistent message that appeals to women. Nothing wrong with that. So far though, we haven’t heard one outside of Palin’s.

mph on July 12, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Well we don’t know that and we never will. But by blanking on that question, she blew it.

mph on July 12, 2009 at 12:02 AM

Rational people can be convinced over the next several years that the media message on Palin is wrong. The polls suggest that they already believe the media has given her a raw deal. Even if she doesn’t run herself, she can influence who the nominee is. That’s all to the good.

littleguy on July 12, 2009 at 12:07 AM

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Well we don’t know that and we never will. But by blanking on that question, she blew it.

mph on July 12, 2009 at 12:02 AM

The point is, she would’ve “blown it” no matter what she said. The bar for Sarah Palin was and is constantly being set higher and higher. That, coupled with the fact that so many on our own “side” were all too happy to buy into whatever memes the left was pushing.

Obama did and still is pandering to groups. That’s how they won the election and plan to keep power. You can have a strong and consistent message that appeals to women. Nothing wrong with that. So far though, we haven’t heard one outside of Palin’s.

mph on July 12, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Yeah, when there’s no real alternative message, the panderers are going to win. And the GOP is never, ever going to out-pander the Democrats. Forget about it.

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 12:14 AM

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 12:14 AM

In Defense of Sarah ddrintn continues his manifesto of talking points….

Bradky on July 12, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Great post, Doc. (No pun intended).

mph: Palin was selected to solidify the base for the McCain campaign, which she did in spades. The idea that she was supposed attract women to the ticket is either naive or spin from the leftists.

After seeing Noonan, Colin Powell and others lately, I’ve decided to retire “RINO” and go with Vichy Republicans.

JackOkie on July 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM

Ronald Reagan would’ve LOVED her.

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 11:50 PM

I won’t need nearly as much space to respond to this one: As the great philosopher Isaac Hayes put it, “Daaaaamnn riiighhht!”

loneloc on July 12, 2009 at 1:18 AM

Sadly, Crr6 is hiding.
Too many people responded with thoughtful reasoning to his/her irrational posts.

Errrr ok. Or I just came back from a night out. I read the thread and I didn’t notice any real refutations of any of my points.

crr6 on July 12, 2009 at 2:24 AM

crr6 on July 12, 2009 at 2:24 AM

You present nothing that rises to the level of a point.

Jim Treacher on July 12, 2009 at 3:28 AM

Buckley. His influence was widespread and impacted people of all “classes”. I learned about him from my non-college educated, secretary sister who admired him. Odd though that he was so damned pretentious.

Having had the privilege of meeting William F Buckley on several occasions, I can assure you that he was anything but pretentious. He was an extremely gracious man who had a gift for making anyone in his presence feel as though they were the entire center of his attentions. One of nature’s true gentlemen.

guntotinglibertarian on July 12, 2009 at 3:33 AM

And I think if she had simply had the wherewithal to tell Katie Couric that she reads the Wall Street Journal and the Anchorage Daily News, we might not be having this conversation.

mph on July 11, 2009 at 11:54 PM

No, I think if she had been put out there to give lots of interviews, we wouldn’t be focused solely on a couple.

Palin obviously reads. The assumption even before the interview was that Palin is a dolt, because that’s what the lefties needed the meme to be. If she had said the Wall Street Journal and the ADN, the next step would have been to demand that she give some in-depth analysis of those papers’ news stories to show that she did indeed read them.

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 11:57 PM

When has the media ever gotten around to asking Obama what he read to stay informed?

Palin rightly sensed the bias behind the question and refused to answer it.

You only ask that sort of question of a person you think isn’t up to the job.

manofaiki on July 12, 2009 at 5:25 AM

Tim Burton on July 11, 2009 at 11:16 AM

“She has the female version of penis envy.”

Tim, penis envy was always about females! It has nothing to do with size.

JabbaTheTutt on July 12, 2009 at 7:54 AM

Noonan is coming-out-of-the-closet-soon, liberal Democrat.

albill on July 12, 2009 at 7:56 AM

Having had the privilege of meeting William F Buckley on several occasions, I can assure you that he was anything but pretentious. He was an extremely gracious man who had a gift for making anyone in his presence feel as though they were the entire center of his attentions. One of nature’s true gentlemen.

guntotinglibertarian on July 12, 2009 at 3:33 AM

I envy you that opportunity, especially now that it will never present itself again. Grace is exactly what he had that Noonan, Frum, Brooks, etc., don’t. His entire public persona, I think, represented an assault on those who believed that only Important People of Letters should bother their pretty heads about politics or public administration — one would have thought that he would be at the head of that line, and he manifestly was not. He had faith in the capacities of those Americans not “to the manor born,” so to speak; he judged based on ideas and abilities, not presentation and background. I think that what an earlier poster said was absolutely true: I think that both Mr Buckley and President Reagan would have been taken with the very idea of Governor Palin, let alone the reality of her.

loneloc on July 12, 2009 at 8:33 AM

No time to read through all the comments. I’m sure they’re as thoughtful and interesting as ever.

My take – Obama would never have survived even half of the personal and professional scrutiny Palin was subjected to. If one 6pm network anchor had, just once, asked him to explain his “above my paygrade” answer in contrast to his pro-infanticide votes, his travel to Pakistan in 1981 (without a US passport!), his documented association with Bill Ayers, his lack of college transcripts, etc, there never would have been an Obama beyond April 2008. We know it, they know it.

If we’re going to take back Congress in 2010, we must “gird our loins” against this kind of character assassination – every candidate from your local school board to US Congress will be subjected to it. Stay on point – stay on message – stay conservative.

gopmom on July 12, 2009 at 9:35 AM

One thing I’m starting to realize, is that the political elitists from Washington/New York view the rest of us as nothing more than dim witted turnip farmers. This is something that transcends party, as it’s plain to see that Sarah Palin scares the hell out of the liberals as well as the latte conservatives from the east.

Doctor Zero is right, these faux conservatives aren’t interested in actually implementing conservative reforms, they are happy just to run a close second to the progressives, and then receive a pat on the back for a job well done. We need to ignore these types, and instead build on strong folks from the heartland like Jim Demint, Mike Pence, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin, Eric Cantor, Rick Perry, etc.

exceller on July 12, 2009 at 10:04 AM

gopmom on July 12, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Your statement: his travel to Pakistan in 1981 (without a US passport!) I think this is interesting…..hmmm, where could this fact be found? I must have missed this in his 2 books….more proof that he was not vetted.

yoda on July 12, 2009 at 10:11 AM

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 12:14 AM

In Defense of Sarah ddrintn continues his manifesto of talking points….

Bradky on July 12, 2009 at 12:33 AM

If you’d have the guts to go out on a limb and affirm a few things, we could see your manifesto of talking points. Otherwise just slither back to your bog and wait for the next Palin thread.

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 10:17 AM

Well, Well, Well………….

First Andrew Breitbart and his piece on the useful idiot Dowd and now this brilliant aggressive smackdown of Noonan….

I must say it is about damn time. If we don’t fight fire with fire they win….I have been trying to tell Michelle this for 3 years, to the point of being banned from her page because of over zealousness(?)

Great piece and keep it up!

dartagnansblade on July 12, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Sorry to ask this again…. Anyone. gopmom on July 12, 2009 at 9:35 AM stated that a 20 year old man (Barack Obama) travels to Pakistan (without a US passport!)

I don’t know about any of you, but I didn’t have money to travel out of the country when I was in college. Is there any proof of this travel to Pakistan? How can a 20 year old travel outside the country without a passport?

yoda on July 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM

“The media did her in.” Her lack of any appropriate modesty did her in. Actually, it’s arguable that membership in the self-esteem generation harmed her. For 30 years the self-esteem movement told the young they’re perfect in every way. It’s yielding something new in history: an entire generation with no proper sense of inadequacy.

Or, “Doesn’t this Wasilla hick know her place?!!”

cs89 on July 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

cs89 on July 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Yikes. Not sure what I did there.

Anyway, Peggy, yeah I’m sure it was her “lack of modesty” that led to questions about the maternity of her youngest son, frivolous ethics complaints, etc.

Very insightful. /sarc

cs89 on July 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I’ve never met ANY woman named Peggy what was worth more than a plug nickel. Kind of like Micheals or Bradleys for guys.

Jeff from WI on July 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM

peggynoonan.com is back up with no commenting and a disclaimer on the “send-a-message-page” that they only actually go to her if someone approves them, though to be fair I never looked at her site before this post so I have no idea if that represents a change.

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In Conclusion, she is definitely projecting.

Simona on July 12, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Noonan is ill-tempered, ill-mannered, and oddly bitter in her mean girl rant. Her diatribe about the presumed “working class” status of Palin is especially bizarre, given the fact that many of Palin’s most recent interviews were given from the deck of her husband’s fishing boat where she was seen working the nets. Stranger still considering the efforts politicians typically take to establish their symbolic “common folk” bona fides — take Lamar Alexander’s plaid shirt, as one example. This is somehow supposed to be critical to the future of the country, even the world, where “actual genius and true judgement” will be in short supply. After recognizing the need to shower after having been dragged through the rhetorical mud by Noonan, we are forced to the inevitable conclusion that Noonan is a perfect stranger to both Palin and to “actual genius and true judgement”. Perhaps her family will do her a favor with an intervention, and she will be in a better mental state the next time she takes on a serious political topic, like the coolness of Obama.

littleguy on July 12, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Yeah, it shows just how out of touch she is that she thinks being a school teacher and track coach put one firmly in the middle as opposed to working class.
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She simply has no understanding, and no desire to try to understand what the skyrocketing cost of living combined with wage stagnation and high taxes (personal, business, state, property, ad nauseum)has done to this country.

Simona on July 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Caiwyn, there are only (2) possible outcomes here;
1. Doctor Zero will choose not to respond. Maybe because he thinks your post is silly. Maybe because he doesn’t want to. This is the best possible outcome for you.
2. He will scald you with the raw heat of his response. You will get burned.

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Oh my, I’m so scared that a functional illiterate might insult me on his blog.

Caiwyn on July 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM

You present nothing that rises to the level of a point.

Jim Treacher on July 12, 2009 at 3:28 AM

Hi, Honey.

crr6 on July 12, 2009 at 2:20 PM

There is so much wrong with DocZero’s article here that I have to believe he suffers from a serious lack of reading comprehension. I’m not sure where to begin.

1. Peggy Noonan did not support Barack Obama for president. This is just class warfare from sulking conservatives who want to pretend that they’re being put upon by an elite class controlling the Republican party. It’s bull. Noonan endorsed McCain, and in fact she was one of the most eloquent defenders of Palin when the liberal media was publishing scurrilous rumors about Palin’s children. This is just another example of these Leninist “conservatives” who have decided that any criticism of their sacred cows must be supportive of the other side. Ace had it right.

2. Apparently DocZero can’t understand the distinction between “working class” and “middle class.” If he could read, he’d notice that Noonan was making that distinction. Palin is not “working class.” She is not the child of steelworkers or fishermen. She is the middle class product of schoolteacher parents.

3. If you have to resort to criticizing Noonan’s grammar (and getting your criticism wrong, by the way), it means you are filling space that can’t be filled with criticism of substance. Here’s a suggestion: go back to elementary school and learn what a run-on sentence actually is.

Sarah Palin is a quitter. Maybe she’ll come back like gangbusters in 2012, and I’ll be happy to support her. But I’m not going to bet on it.

Maybe in the meantime, Doc, you can learn to read. You sure as hell aren’t demonstrating any ability in that area here.

Caiwyn on July 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM

First, Peggy Noonan did of course support Obama for president. She may not have endorsed him, but she described him in positive terms and lent a lot of support to his credibility. Which was exactly what they wanted from a supposedly conservative columnist: to refute any claims by Republicans that he was too far left, or too inexperienced. It’s entirely possible Noonan supported Obama better than most of her own party.

Second, there’s just not much distinction between “working class” and “middle class.” Who makes, more money: a steelworker or a teacher?

Correct answer: it depends. Teachers only make really good incomes with extensive higher education and experience. So who is more working class? Who is more middle class? What difference does it make in politics?

It reminds me of what I used to say about Bush’s opponents: any club to bash Bush — or Palin — is a good club to these people.

Third, well, the third point is not even worth discussion.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on July 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

It’s entirely possible Noonan supported Obama better than most of herhis own party.

Oops. That kinda changed the intent of the sentence.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on July 12, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Their goal in 2012 is to find a bland, pleasant, “moderate” Republican, who can win the approval of the media mullahs as a “serious candidate,” then lose gracefully and give America’s First Black President his second term.

So they are planning on running McCain again?

MarkTheGreat on July 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Oh my, I’m so scared that a functional illiterate might insult me on his blog.

Caiwyn on July 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM

You’re the one slinging the insults, which is a sure sign of a weak argument… which has been picked to pieces already. Move along.

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 3:27 PM

First, Peggy Noonan did of course support Obama for president. She may not have endorsed him, but she described him in positive terms and lent a lot of support to his credibility.

Describing someone in positive terms now counts as “support?” All Noonan did was acknowledge his strengths as a public speaker and politician. That doesn’t mean she supported him — quite the opposite; she publicly announced she was voting for McCain/Palin. This is the same kind of twisted logic that went after Ace… anything less than a vehement attack on Obama is treated as “support” by the magical thinking brigade who cannot possibly acknowledge the opponent’s strengths.

Second, there’s just not much distinction between “working class” and “middle class.” Who makes, more money: a steelworker or a teacher?

Correct answer: it depends. Teachers only make really good incomes with extensive higher education and experience. So who is more working class? Who is more middle class? What difference does it make in politics?

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on July 12, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Now that’s a good point. I do think there’s a distinction to be made between “working-class” and “middle-class,” and I don’t think Noonan is wrong here, but you are right that she’s missing the larger point that Palin was simply not the privileged child of career politicians, born into the political class, and where she fell on the scale beyond that was moot.

That said, isn’t that whole idea a form of class warfare in and of itself? I thought we left that sort of thing to liberals.

Caiwyn on July 12, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Typical of Northeast liberal snobs, Noonan has no idea of what the middle class is.

SouthernGent on July 12, 2009 at 5:15 PM

This is the same kind of twisted logic that went after Ace… anything less than a vehement attack on Obama is treated as “support” by the magical thinking brigade who cannot possibly acknowledge the opponent’s strengths.

Enough with the martyr crap. “I criticized Palin; someone objected; woe, woe is me!”

That said, isn’t that whole idea a form of class warfare in and of itself? I thought we left that sort of thing to liberals.

Caiwyn on July 12, 2009 at 5:12 PM

It wouldn’t even be a topic of conversation if only Palin were an Ivy League grad, now would it? QED.

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Enough with the martyr crap. “I criticized Palin; someone objected; woe, woe is me!”

Calling someone an Obama supporter because she criticizes Palin is not an “objection,” it’s just a straw man. An actual objection would be refreshing.

It wouldn’t even be a topic of conversation if only Palin were an Ivy League grad, now would it? QED.

Yet it’s the Palinistas who keep bringing it up. Don’t go whining about class warfare when you’re waging it yourself.

Caiwyn on July 12, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Calling someone an Obama supporter because she criticizes Palin is not an “objection,” it’s just a straw man. An actual objection would be refreshing.

Noonan hasn’t been quiet about her admiration for Obama.

It wouldn’t even be a topic of conversation if only Palin were an Ivy League grad, now would it? QED.

Yet it’s the Palinistas who keep bringing it up. Don’t go whining about class warfare when you’re waging it yourself.

Caiwyn on July 12, 2009 at 5:56 PM

Palin supporters are the ones turning their noses up at her “white-trashy” aura? Nah.

ddrintn on July 12, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Reagan ignored Peggy Noonan and all conservatives should do the same. She is an excellent example of the old “me-too” Republican, now known as RINOs. As a newswriter for the old all news radio station WEEI in Boston, she watched as the elites demonized and spat upon the working class neighborhoods during the 70’s busing crisis. She claims she sided with the working class folks, but it’s very clear she ended up with the elites. Shame on you Peggy!

wraithby on July 12, 2009 at 8:11 PM

Sadly, Crr6 is hiding.
Too many people responded with thoughtful reasoning to his/her irrational posts.
Errrr ok. Or I just came back from a night out. I read the thread and I didn’t notice any real refutations of any of my points.

crr6 on July 12, 2009 at 2:24 AM

Earlier, you made some statements in some posts. Several people asked you to either clarify or substantiate your statements.

This is a partial list; many offer “real refutations of [your] points.

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM

JiangxiDad on July 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM

massrighty on July 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM

ddrintn on July 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM

maverick muse on July 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Ted Torgerson on July 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM

When people ask you (politely) for clarity, or substantiation, and you don’t offer it, it’s reasonable to assume that you are either;
A. Ill-equipped to offer them.
B. Ill-mannered.
C. Cowardly.

If, by choosing (C), I’ve offended you in some way, it’s my fault. I should not have assumed it wasn’t either (A) or (B)

massrighty on July 12, 2009 at 9:33 PM

I guess I’m at a loss at figuring out how someone can be working as a writer, supposeldy covering a serious topic, politics, yey continue to be employed while being a moron.

Palin had announced her retirement a a week ago.Every LIB out there has already taken pot shots at her this last week, as well as going back to when we found out she was running with Mc Cain. But a “professional” writes ANOTHER Palin hit piece?
This is OLD NEWS. Is it all you can come up with? No better items to research and write about except ANOTHER Palin hit piece?
Pathetic.

Jeff from WI on July 12, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Noonan …. YOU F-ING NINCOMPOOP!

You’ve obviously so enamored with the East-coast intellegensia that you haven’t a clue as to what the rest of the country thinks.

Middle class, fly-over America has had it up to here with all of your Ivy League “sexual intellectual” politicos (that’s “F-ing know-it-alls” for all you upper-crust A-holes”. It’s a bunch of generation after generation of group-think Harvard and Yale dimwits that got us into the mess we’re in today. All you Ivy League “intellectuals” whose education and “place” in society was established along with your grand-daddy’s trust fund are exactly what’s wrong with our nation. You low-life swindlers and cheats have no clue as to middle-class America’s expectations of their government. You were bred into your twisted Ivy League sense of entitlement, and the worthless crap character of the so-called “leaders” your decadent colleges keep infusing onto our governmental institutions is a testament to how sick and perverted once esteemed universities like Harvard and Yale have become. You pathetic bastards caused the downfall of what was once a great and noble nation.

Doubt me? Name a recent Harvard or Yale MBA serving in the BHO administration who is also the recipient of the Silver Star medal or DSC for valor in combat.

I rest my case.

Why brave young American men waste their lives protecting scum like the likes of you is indeed a mystery.

StimulateTHIS on July 12, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Describing someone in positive terms now counts as “support?”

Caiwyn on July 12, 2009 at 5:12 PM

It’s called, “moral support.” Just in case you thought it was a special invention of mine. Honestly, what other kind of support would Peggy Noonan have given him? Writing supposedly conservative columns is what she does, and defending him as “gifted,” “historic,” and so forth is the best support she could have given him.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on July 12, 2009 at 11:49 PM

crr6 on July 12, 2009 at 2:20 PM

No thanks.

Jim Treacher on July 12, 2009 at 11:57 PM

massrighty on July 12, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Dang, where did you get that can of whoop azz. crr6 just got sprayed.

Geochelone on July 13, 2009 at 12:29 AM

DOCTOR ZERO just completely deconstructed Peggy Noonan and now she has been rendered irrelevant.

We appreciate your efforts Dr. Z.

Geochelone on July 13, 2009 at 12:40 AM

Sarah Palin drives the phonys and the lefties crazy because they sense that she has a moral authority that they no longer have any more, if they ever had it. Now that she has freed herself of her governors shackles and Alaska from the partisan attacks that cost the state lots of money and man hours, she can go on the attack and expose the vapid fool in the WH and his disasterous polices and corrupt cronies. It can’t start soon enough for me.

shmendrick on July 13, 2009 at 1:24 AM

I think Noonan is drinking…just a thought, unless it’s something else, like you know senility has set in.

Dr Evil on July 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Obama travel to Pakistan just Googel

Ed Laskie on July 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Palin’s Noonan’s larger point.

RightOFLeft on July 11, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Yikes.

RightOFLeft on July 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Which boils down to “Sarah Palin is stupid because she did bad in an interview.” And if you really think that’s some sort of unassailable truth, I pity you.

TheUnrepentantGeek on July 13, 2009 at 12:10 PM