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The lock-up-your-opponents bills of 2009?

posted at 11:08 am on July 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Would Congress ever pass legislation that would allow the executive to determine at its own discretion whether political opponents had crossed the line into domestic terrorists and build camps in which to keep them?  Sounds like something out of 20th-century totalitarian systems or dystopian fiction.  Mark Tapscott says it’s not fiction, and he warns readers about an effort by Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) to do just that:

Rep. Alcee Hastings – the impeached Florida judge Nancy Pelosi tried to install as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee until her own party members rebelled – introduced an amendment to the defense authorization bill that gives Attorney General Eric Holder sole discretion to label groups that oppose government policy on guns, abortion, immigration, states’ rights, or a host of other issues. In a June 25 speech on the House floor, Rep. Trent Franks, R-AZ, blasted the idea: “This sounds an alarm for many of us because of the recent shocking and offensive report released by the Department of Homeland Security which labeled, arguably, a majority of Americans as ‘extremists.’”

Another Hastings bill (HR 645) authorizes $360 million in 2009 and 2010 to set up “not fewer than six national emergency centers on military installations” capable of housing “a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster.” But Section 2 (b) 4 allows the Secretary of Homeland Security to use the camps “to meet other appropriate needs” – none of which are specified. This is the kind of blank check that Congress should never, ever sign.

It’s not paranoid to be extremely wary of legislation that would give two unelected government officials power to legally declare someone a “domestic terrorist” and send them to a government-run camp.

To be fair on the second point, most legislation includes phrases similar to the “meet other appropriate needs” as a means of allowing flexibility in using facilities commissioned by Congress.  Under unforeseen circumstances even apart from creating concentration camps for abortion opponents, the six national emergency centers might need to get some use other than housing military personnel or civilians evacuated from a disaster area.  That language allows the Pentagon and Homeland Security leeway to adapt for other issues without having to worry that lawyers will descend upon them like locusts for not strictly limiting use to the statutes.

However, the designation of domestic terrorist groups — a necessary and critical process for keeping the peace — should not fall into the hands of just one person.  That process needs oversight and consensus to be credible and fair.  Congress should have some involvement, especially in oversight.  Holder could be the greatest AG in the history of the US but still should not have the absolute authority to make that designation, especially after the track record of the DHS in using vague parameters and broad-based smears of legitimate political protest earlier this year.

Mark may also want to look at HR 1966, introduced by Rep. Linda Sanchez last April in reaction to the suburban mother who drove one of her daughter’s acquaintances — a 13-year-old girl — to suicide.  Bas cases make bad law, and that’s doubly true here.  Look at this language and imagine how this could be used:

Sec. 881. Cyberbullying

‘(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Who decides what constitutes “substantial emotional distress”?  What is the definition of “severe” and “hostile”?  What kinds of persons can claim victimhood under this bill?  This purports to be a bill to prevent cyberbullying — which is hardly a crime wave in America anyway — but could easily be perverted to shut down “mean” bloggers.

This Congress has taken a strange and dangerous turn away from the principles of free speech and towards … something else entirely.

Update: Apparently, the Irish are also having trouble with this concept.

Update II: I think I was a little too subtle in my post.  I don’t think Hastings is passing a “concentration camp” bill, but just a badly worded piece of pork.  Irishspy in the comments sums it up better than I did above:

I read the original text of these bills a few days ago and, while I have strong concerns about the lack of due process in allowing the AG to simply designate someone a dangerous person just because of his beliefs or (IIRC) tattoos, Hastings’ amendment about the regional command centers looks more like a bunch of pork for areas affected by base closures than anything else.

That was my point.  The language that Mark points out is pretty much legislative boilerplate, probably meaningless in the sense Mark takes it.  I’m much more concerned about the cyberbullying bill and the authority Hastings wants to grant to the AG.

Update II: Radio Vice Online has been looking at the cyberbullying bill, too.


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OldEnglish on July 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Yes, there are. There are truly evil people up there. Hastings is one of them. But his bill (HR 645) has a single co-sponsor. No one else wants to touch it. It’ll die in committee. So who cares about it?

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Not making an accusations here. Just asking questions.

GarandFan on July 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

They are very good questions, too.

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on July 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Some will shoot. Some won’t. We don’t know what the balance is.

katy on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Why is it that whichever party is out of power immediately begins to have paranoid delusions about the other party?

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Yes … paranoid delusions …

“put nothing in writing, ever” — Carol Browner

Yep …

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Just hope they send me where they send all other terrorists … Bermuda…

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Calm down. Where is your sense of humor today?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

The irony is that what they propose is itself a hate crime.

OldEnglish on July 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Not from where they sit.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

…reading this post…no first amendment…reloading cartridges….have nothing to lose……reloading……they keep pushing….nothing to lose…….

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Why reload? Boxes are beginning to creep back into Wal-Marts. The crunch seems to be temporarily over. I just picked up a couple of Winchester white box value packs of 9MM. 1300 rounds of full metal jackets and a well-oiled Bersa = peace of mind.

MadisonConservative on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

The irony is that what they propose is itself a hate crime.

OldEnglish on July 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Not from where they sit.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Exactly!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

We should be concerned with both of these bills. You can take a poorly worded bill and make it a bad law. Make it vague enough and it will get misused.

elBarto on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

You’re going to Antarctica…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Just hope they send me where they send all other terrorists … Bermuda…

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

What’s the matter with you? Don’t you want to go back to Afghanistan and join the Taliban?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Farfetched? Considering that ‘dissent is no longer patriotic’ with the ruling political party, I’d watch and see what happens with Honest Al’s bill, and how many Democrats support it.

GarandFan on July 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM

You forgot one little thing: Democrats have a SUPERMAJORITY now.

Alcee Hastings is a disgraced impreached judge who somehow bamboozled the people in his district into electing him to Congress and since then, he has made one silly outlandish proposal after another, as if in his own warped fantasy realm, doing such makes you a progressive member of Congress. In actuality, it makes someone like Hastings look like he is three French Fries shy of a Happy Meal.

This latest idiotic lunacy of his is a further demonstration into just how far off base and unhinged from reality some members of the Democratic Party have allowed themselves to become.

There is some evidence that there are still reasonably thinking members of the Party who would look at such a proposal as what Hastings is trying to push through as being a case in point for being considered a candidate to the local basket-weaving club meeting on the grounds of the nearest funny farm.

It makes no difference if the Democrats have a supermajority or not. There are still some level heads in the Party who would see falling in line which something like what Hastings is proposing as being the equivalent of political career suicide and they will reject it hands down.

As for Hastings, there is still some measure of hope that the people in his district will one day come to their senses the next time he is up for re-election, and send him into either retirement or preferably into an institution where he can be carefully monitored and made to take his obviously seriously needed medication.

pilamaye on July 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Why reload? Boxes are beginning to creep back into Wal-Marts. The crunch seems to be temporarily over. I just picked up a couple of Winchester white box value packs of 9MM. 1300 rounds of full metal jackets and a well-oiled Bersa = peace of mind.

MadisonConservative on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

And this whole time I thought you were one of those Washington Insiders that ate granola bars /sarc

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I would ask this: If all this stuff is benign, why does it all “sound” so bad? I mean, reports labeling us as extremists are already a reality, though publicly withdrawn now. They still exist, if only in someone’s head.

We have these camps which might be benign but sound bad.

We have Hastings trying to give Holder the ability to ‘label’ folks. What’s up with that?

I mean, it may be nothing but it always seems to look like a lot.

Just saying.

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM

What’s the matter with you? Don’t you want to go back to Afghanistan and join the Taliban?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM

I want to join my terrorists brothers in Bermuda!!!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

I just don’t want to see sites get so far gone that they accept conspiracy garbage as reality. That’s what this post is. That’s what the WE piece is. Conspiracy garbage.

Ed should really be ashamed of himself here.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

eh fooey.

Drop the s.

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

You’re going to Antarctica…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Brother Baracki wouldn’t discriminate. He’s sending me to Paradise (Bermuda)!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

You’re going to Antarctica…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I’ll volunteer to go. On my list of dream jobs is the tech support for McMurdo Station/South Pole Station. What can I say, I like the cold :)

Wolftech on July 10, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Brother Baracki wouldn’t discriminate. He’s sending me to Paradise (Bermuda)!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

You have to be caught in a foreign country to get Paradise…you’re going to get cold.

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:57 AM

How likely is it that cops/soldiers/G-men will carry out orders to round up citizens? Odds are a lot of them will refuse and start resigning en masse. Obama will need to refill those positions with people who support such policies. I’m sure those Black Panthers threatening voters in Philadelphia on Election Day have already mailed Obama their resumes.

AaronGuzman on July 10, 2009 at 11:57 AM

“This sounds an alarm for many of us because of the recent shocking and offensive report released by the Department of Homeland Security which labeled, arguably, a majority of Americans as ‘extremists.’”

That’s not all those same “extremists” face.

Cato: The No-Rights List

Cato has a bad link to Lautenberg’s bill. I believe they’re referring to:

S. 1317: Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009

…which gives AG Holder sole discretion to deny anyone he deems a “terrorist” the right to purchase a gun.

Rae on July 10, 2009 at 11:57 AM

You have to be caught in a foreign country to get Paradise…you’re going to get cold.

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Does it count that sometimes Ameerika feels foreign to me?

No, Bermuda is the place for me!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Wolftech on July 10, 2009 at 11:56 AM

If you want to go to Antarctica, they will send you to Bermuda. That is how it works. It’s supposed to be punishment for your wicked extremist ways…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM

If you want to go to Antarctica, they will send you to Bermuda. That is how it works. It’s supposed to be punishment for your wicked extremist ways…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Fine, I want to go to a sh*t hole… ;)

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Does it count that sometimes Ameerika feels foreign to me?

No, Bermuda is the place for me!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM

I understand that feeling all too well…but no. This is punishment…you will be sent where you don’t want to go.

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM

No, FEMA isn’t running concentration camps. – Hotair 4/6/09

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM

We have Hastings trying to give Holder the ability to ‘label’ folks. What’s up with that?

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Especially since Holder already labeled us: “Nation of Cowards”. No questions how the accessory to the Black Panthers’ crime, Holder, is going to label people …

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Why is Hastings not in jail.

Johan Klaus on July 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

I just don’t want to see sites get so far gone that they accept conspiracy garbage as reality. That’s what this post is. That’s what the WE piece is. Conspiracy garbage.

Ed should really be ashamed of himself here.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

I understand your point the bill is out there. The amendment by Hastings is real. It’s folks interpretation of them that differs.

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

I understand that feeling all too well…but no. This is punishment…you will be sent where you don’t want to go.

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I REALLY, REALLY don’t want to go to Bermuda!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

If you want to go to Antarctica, they will send you to Bermuda. That is how it works. It’s supposed to be punishment for your wicked extremist ways…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I just want to get to Hell, does that mean I get to go to Heaven? Please!

fourdeucer on July 10, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I just don’t want to see sites get so far gone that they accept conspiracy garbage as reality. That’s what this post is. That’s what the WE piece is. Conspiracy garbage.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

It’s conspiracy garbage to speak about things actually happening in Congress? Is that your position? Really?

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I just don’t want to see sites get so far gone that they accept conspiracy garbage as reality. That’s what this post is. That’s what the WE piece is. Conspiracy garbage.

Ed should really be ashamed of himself here.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Ed doesn’t seem to be buying necessarily the “concentration camp” connotation being implied. Shouldn’t we know about the bill, regardless, due simply to the provisions for labeling people of certain groups as “domestic terrorists”, in the way the DHS report did?

MadisonConservative on July 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Hey, these camps are just crazy Glenn Beck talk.
/AP

burnitup on July 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

fourdeucer on July 10, 2009 at 12:02 PM

I’m certain your assignments are already determined. You will have no choice. Your escorts are on their way…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM

I swear brother Baracki, I’m a Uyghur! I want to cause political unrest in China and rape/pillage/torture Han Chinese – in the name of Allah! Treat me like my fellow brethren.

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Ed doesn’t seem to be buying necessarily the “concentration camp” connotation being implied. Shouldn’t we know about the bill, regardless, due simply to the provisions for labeling people of certain groups as “domestic terrorists”, in the way the DHS report did?

MadisonConservative on July 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I agree that we need to know about the bill…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Hey, these camps are just crazy Glenn Beck talk.
/AP

burnitup on July 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Hey, cut AP a break. That’s when he was salivating over MeggyMac pics ;)

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

I’m certain your assignments are already determined. You will have no choice. Your escorts are on their way…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Send me to where all good bad terrorists go.

*Cause I’m bad*

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Great, and to think primers were difficult to get before.

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

*Cause I’m bad*

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

I don’t doubt it at all…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

The amendment by Hastings is real. It’s folks interpretation of them that differs.

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

And that is in and of itself a big problem. No bill should even be left open to interpretation. Unlike conspiracy theory this thing has a paper trail that can be traced to specific legally submitted bills. The only sticking point is the interpretation of the “for what ever I want” clause.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

All my bags are packed, I’m ready to go
I’m standin’ here outside your door
I hate to wake you up to say goodbye

But the dawn is breakin’, it’s early morn
The taxi’s waitin’, he’s blowin’ his horn
Already I’m so lonesome I could die

fourdeucer on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

I understand. Still enjoy your humor, though.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Every random bill (that’ll never see the light of day) taken to reductio ad absurdum does not make for intelligent commentary.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

*Cause I’m bad*
Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Enough with the Michael Jackson references; he’s dead, ok? Get over it.

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Great, and to think primers were difficult to get before.

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

That’s because I’ve been hoarding them.

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

What is that proposed Civilian Corps going to be used for again?

OldEnglish on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I don’t doubt it at all…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

So lady, where would you like dislike to land your terrorist self?

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Great, and to think primers were difficult to get before.

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Seriously, supplies are restocking. Check your local Cabela’s or Gander Mountain (if they’re not still scalping prices). Even sites like Bud’s Gun Shop are getting rifles back in stock and they’re sitting without selling out.

MadisonConservative on July 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Enough with the Michael Jackson references; he’s dead, ok? Get over it.

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I’m sorry, he was just an icon for all terrorists.

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Yes, there are. There are truly evil people up there. Hastings is one of them. But his bill (HR 645) has a single co-sponsor. No one else wants to touch it. It’ll die in committee. So who cares about it?

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Because people remember these things, they become, in their mind reality, this is how a movement starts.
You expose these thing for what they are…idiotic ideas, you shut them down before others begin to rationalize them.

right2bright on July 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

So lady, where would you like dislike to land your terrorist self?

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Don’t send me some place tropical…that would be bad. I would hate that…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM

That’s because I’ve been hoarding them.
ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

You likeee sell or trade?

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Agreed however this is different because it is in law and open to all to read. I never bought any of the fema camp and truther crap but this is on another level.

sonofdy on July 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

What is “open for all to read” is that camps are being created. The ostensible purpose of these camps is to house disaster refugees. The idea that they are to imprison right-wing extremists without due process of law is the part that makes it a paranoid delusion.

You forgot Internment Camps and the NRA (not what you think it is…)

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:43 AM

I know exactly what the National Recovery Administration was. The difference is that neither the WWII internment camps for German- and Japanese-Americans nor the NRA were conspiracies. One was an unfortunate side effect of a Total War which we didn’t start; the other was the implementation of the openly-stated goals of the progressives by a president who was not sophisticated enough to know better and was declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS before it had been in effect too long.

If Maxine Waters starts to call for the execution of the Republican National Committee, then it will be time to worry. Until then, save your outrage for what the Dems are doing openly and proudly–otherwise, you’ll just look insane.

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Don’t send me some place tropical…that would be bad. I would hate that…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Are you saying that being forced to live in Polynesia would be like torture to you?

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM

As for Hastings, there is still some measure of hope that the people in his district will one day come to their senses the next time he is up for re-election…

pilamaye on July 10, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Not likely. His district is majority black and voted 83% for Obama in ‘08. Methinks they don’t need much bamboozling to re-elect this turd. Besides, that whole bribery thang was just oppression by the white man dontcha know.

infidel4life on July 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM

I don’t think Hastings is passing a “concentration camp” bill, but just a badly worded piece of pork.

Were it any other administration, I would agree with you , Ed. But considering the types of rulers Dear Leader likes (Chavez, Castro), kow-tows to (the mullahs,) or bows to (Saudi Arabia) and who he’s apparently hostile to (The British, the proto-democracy movement in Iran, the constitutional, though a bit ham-handed, process in Honduras), give me great pause. I trust Blago more than The One.

rbj on July 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM

You likeee sell or trade?

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Not sure…what are they worth to ya?

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Are you saying that being forced to live in Polynesia would be like torture to you?

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Yes I am…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Brother Baracki wouldn’t discriminate. He’s sending me to Paradise (Bermuda)!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Just be careful about those “virgins”. They might not be gentle.

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I want to join my terrorists brothers in Bermuda!!!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Surfboarding is torture.

Americans don’t surfboard.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Every random bill (that’ll never see the light of day) taken to reductio ad absurdum does not make for intelligent commentary.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Okay. You’ll let us all know which bills can be discussed by serious people and which can’t. And you’ll also provide us with the interpretational limit, so that we don’t make fools of ourselves. I wouldn’t want anyone thinking that this Congress might have entertained the thought of “Truth Commissions” to try and jail the last administration. That would just be crazy talk. Who would even contemplate that happening in America. Crazy stuff.

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Why would we need emergency centers for anyone in a disaster? Charities and the private sector and local government already cover it. Why would you want to set up camps on military bases? Wouldn’t it be better to give the money to local gov. when there is actually a disaster? Or, allow local businesses to benefit by allowing them to provide the services and the gov. paying for them? And why would you want anything too permanent, i.e., camps? It doesn’t work in the mideast and every other area they do it. We want people to return home and begin rebuilding their lives – not become accustomed to living off welfare.

Blake on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I know exactly what the National Recovery Administration was. The difference is that neither the WWII internment camps for German- and Japanese-Americans nor the NRA were conspiracies. One was an unfortunate side effect of a Total War which we didn’t start; the other was the implementation of the openly-stated goals of the progressives by a president who was not sophisticated enough to know better and was declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS before it had been in effect too long.

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM

One could make the argument that there were those that supported both options for their own benefit (power, control, money, &c)

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Not sure…what are they worth to ya?
ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM

What do you want for them?

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Don’t send me some place tropical…that would be bad. I would hate that…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM

No, not the briar patch!!!!!!

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

What do you want for them?

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Well I don’t know…I haven’t really thought about letting go of them…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Just be careful about those “virgins”. They might not be gentle.

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

All good Uyghur extremists like it rough!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Surfboarding is torture.

Americans don’t surfboard.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Torture me, Janet Napoleon!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Americans don’t surfboard.
Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Neither does Charlie.

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

No, not the briar patch!!!!!!

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Yep…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Torture me, Janet Napoleon!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Gawd…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Hey guys!

OT. Just found something at The Corner that I think we should discuss…

My First Abortion Party

newton on July 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Maxine Waters starts to call for the execution of the Republican National Committee

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 12:10 PM

OMG!

Everybody run for your lives!

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM

All pro-lifers should have rallies against tourism to Bermuda…

All NRA members should have rallies against the great outdoors,

and all ACORN members should rally against the Midwest…

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:16 PM

Maybe you could buy the Bermuda ambassadorship…

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM

One could make the argument that there were those that supported both options for their own benefit (power, control, money, &c)

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

That doesn’t make it a conspiracy; that just makes it cynical politics.

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM

How likely is it that cops/soldiers/G-men will carry out orders to round up citizens? Odds are a lot of them will refuse and start resigning en masse. Obama will need to refill those positions with people who support such policies.

AaronGuzman on July 10, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Hence Obama’s call for a Civilian Security Force. Why bother with the inherent sense of honor in military and law-enforcement organizations when he can have his own personal stormtroopers.

infidel4life on July 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Torture me, Janet Napoleon!

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

If you seek to fulfill your masochistic fantasies, you must first overcome your paranoid delusions.

Walk into your nearest DHS Travel Agency.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Why do all these threads seem to devolve into flirting and sexual innuendo?

;-)

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Mark may also want to look at HR 1966, introduced by Rep. Linda Sanchez last April in reaction to the suburban mother who drove one of her daughter’s acquaintances — a 13-year-old girl — to suicide. Bas cases make bad law, and that’s doubly true here. Look at this language and imagine how this could be used:

If you won’t allow the parents of the victim to go after the offender with a baseball bat and break all their bones, then there needs to be a law.

I would not make the emotional distress an element of the crime but just make it illegal for any adult to misrepresent themselves to a minor or to use another minor to do so, on the internet.

The case this was based on was an elaborate scheme which went on for a while and was intended to humiliate this kid.

I see no reason why any adult should misrepresent themselves or conspire with anyone else to misrepresent themselves or aid and abet someone to misrepresent themselves or direct another person to misrepresent themselves over the internet
to a minor.

Blake on July 10, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Conspiracy?

Pffffffffffttttttttttt…but just as dangerous. The left drifts toward ‘collective’ free speech. The right toward regiments. Middle ground is all but gone as Americans slide down one slope or the other. There is no grand plan, just history setting the stage. Anyone clinging to what middle ground is remaining better duck.

Limerick on July 10, 2009 at 12:20 PM

This makes for a very interesting conspiracy framework. Establishing the groundwork for a point in the future where dissent and elections become irrelevant. With all the unelected and unaccountable czars in place and a few key leaders (AG), we are heading to a point of no return where it does not matter what the people think or say or do. This point needs to be reached by 2010 or 2012 (2016 at the latest) so power can be maintained indefinitely. All of these ‘innocent’ steps are being taken so when the time comes, collectively, the door can be shut and the point of no return has been reached.

jerseyman on July 10, 2009 at 12:20 PM

No one else wants to touch it. It’ll die in committee. So who cares about it?

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:51

Because ideas have consequences. The fact that a freaking AMERICAN CITIZEN is even thinking this way is alarming.

Mommypundit on July 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM

That doesn’t make it a conspiracy; that just makes it cynical politics.

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM


Conspiracy: An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

You’re saying that a group of people coming together and interning Americans for the sake of shutting down competition isn’t a conspiracy?

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

LOL…You’re worse that BlantantBlue!

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM

No one is reading these bills anyway. Right?

jerseyman on July 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Because ideas have consequences. The fact that a freaking AMERICAN CITIZEN is even thinking this way is alarming.
Mommypundit on July 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Tweak the edges, retitle it with a nice, flowery, innocuous name, “promise” some sort of no-fail oversight…”Oh ok, let’s pass it and move on to discuss how to sweeten our pension plan.”

Bishop on July 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Because ideas have consequences. The fact that a freaking AMERICAN CITIZEN is even thinking this way is alarming.

Mommypundit on July 10, 2009 at 12:22 PM
David Koresh and the Branch Davidians come to mind.

fourdeucer on July 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM

You’re saying that a group of people coming together and interning Americans for the sake of shutting down competition isn’t a conspiracy?

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Hicsuget prefers to think of it as a “strategy”. Just a bunch of buddies strategizing …

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Hence Obama’s call for a Civilian Security Force. Why bother with the inherent sense of honor in military and law-enforcement organizations when he can have his own personal stormtroopers.

infidel4life on July 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM

That idea scares me, but it is not a conspiracy–a thing is only a conspiracy if it is plotted in secret.

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM

LOL…You’re worse that BlantantBlue!

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM

If that will get me as close to as far from Bermuda as possible, then yes.

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 12:14 PM

I can handle anything they can dish out, as long as it doesn’t involve a Margarita or jacuzzi…and no studly cabana boys…I can’t stand cabana boys.

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 12:26 PM

Hicsuget prefers to think of it as a “strategy”. Just a bunch of buddies strategizing …

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Well, if that’s the case, I’d say most of what’s going on in Congress is strategizing…

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM

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