The lock-up-your-opponents bills of 2009?

posted at 11:08 am on July 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Would Congress ever pass legislation that would allow the executive to determine at its own discretion whether political opponents had crossed the line into domestic terrorists and build camps in which to keep them?  Sounds like something out of 20th-century totalitarian systems or dystopian fiction.  Mark Tapscott says it’s not fiction, and he warns readers about an effort by Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) to do just that:

Rep. Alcee Hastings – the impeached Florida judge Nancy Pelosi tried to install as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee until her own party members rebelled – introduced an amendment to the defense authorization bill that gives Attorney General Eric Holder sole discretion to label groups that oppose government policy on guns, abortion, immigration, states’ rights, or a host of other issues. In a June 25 speech on the House floor, Rep. Trent Franks, R-AZ, blasted the idea: “This sounds an alarm for many of us because of the recent shocking and offensive report released by the Department of Homeland Security which labeled, arguably, a majority of Americans as ‘extremists.’”

Another Hastings bill (HR 645) authorizes $360 million in 2009 and 2010 to set up “not fewer than six national emergency centers on military installations” capable of housing “a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster.” But Section 2 (b) 4 allows the Secretary of Homeland Security to use the camps “to meet other appropriate needs” – none of which are specified. This is the kind of blank check that Congress should never, ever sign.

It’s not paranoid to be extremely wary of legislation that would give two unelected government officials power to legally declare someone a “domestic terrorist” and send them to a government-run camp.

To be fair on the second point, most legislation includes phrases similar to the “meet other appropriate needs” as a means of allowing flexibility in using facilities commissioned by Congress.  Under unforeseen circumstances even apart from creating concentration camps for abortion opponents, the six national emergency centers might need to get some use other than housing military personnel or civilians evacuated from a disaster area.  That language allows the Pentagon and Homeland Security leeway to adapt for other issues without having to worry that lawyers will descend upon them like locusts for not strictly limiting use to the statutes.

However, the designation of domestic terrorist groups — a necessary and critical process for keeping the peace — should not fall into the hands of just one person.  That process needs oversight and consensus to be credible and fair.  Congress should have some involvement, especially in oversight.  Holder could be the greatest AG in the history of the US but still should not have the absolute authority to make that designation, especially after the track record of the DHS in using vague parameters and broad-based smears of legitimate political protest earlier this year.

Mark may also want to look at HR 1966, introduced by Rep. Linda Sanchez last April in reaction to the suburban mother who drove one of her daughter’s acquaintances — a 13-year-old girl — to suicide.  Bas cases make bad law, and that’s doubly true here.  Look at this language and imagine how this could be used:

Sec. 881. Cyberbullying

‘(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Who decides what constitutes “substantial emotional distress”?  What is the definition of “severe” and “hostile”?  What kinds of persons can claim victimhood under this bill?  This purports to be a bill to prevent cyberbullying — which is hardly a crime wave in America anyway — but could easily be perverted to shut down “mean” bloggers.

This Congress has taken a strange and dangerous turn away from the principles of free speech and towards … something else entirely.

Update: Apparently, the Irish are also having trouble with this concept.

Update II: I think I was a little too subtle in my post.  I don’t think Hastings is passing a “concentration camp” bill, but just a badly worded piece of pork.  Irishspy in the comments sums it up better than I did above:

I read the original text of these bills a few days ago and, while I have strong concerns about the lack of due process in allowing the AG to simply designate someone a dangerous person just because of his beliefs or (IIRC) tattoos, Hastings’ amendment about the regional command centers looks more like a bunch of pork for areas affected by base closures than anything else.

That was my point.  The language that Mark points out is pretty much legislative boilerplate, probably meaningless in the sense Mark takes it.  I’m much more concerned about the cyberbullying bill and the authority Hastings wants to grant to the AG.

Update II: Radio Vice Online has been looking at the cyberbullying bill, too.


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Are we really mainstreaming the detention camps, now? Come on, Ed.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Those all sound like not very good ideas.

myrenovations on July 10, 2009 at 11:16 AM

I’m picturing myself in a few years sounding like Harry Dean Stanton’s character in “Red Dawn:”

“AVENGE MEEEEEEE!!”

CurtZHP on July 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM

To be fair on the second point, most legislation includes phrases similar to the “meet other appropriate needs” as a means of allowing flexibility in using facilities commissioned by Congress. Under unforeseen circumstances even apart from creating concentration camps for abortion opponents, the six national emergency centers might need to get some use other than housing military personnel or civilians evacuated from a disaster area. That language allows the Pentagon and Homeland Security leeway to adapt for other issues without having to worry that lawyers will descend upon them like locusts for not strictly limiting use to the statutes.

Uh… am I missing something? Why don’t we want their to be some sort of check on Pentagon power? Yeah, yeah, I know. Lawyers are blood suckers, but I for one am not willing to give the Pentagon or any other government organization Carte Blanche.

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM

their = there

changed my thought…

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM

If the Dems keep this up, the Republicans can win back the house, senate and white house…no matter how dysfunctional they are. Anything would be better than this.

As for the cyberbully law…do the dems realize most of the bullying comes from their side? The sites that promote their agenda (Daily Kos, HuffPo). Are they going to slip an exemption in there for themselves? I would love to see this law passed…and then used against them….until, of course, the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional. But it would be fun watching them have to defend themselves against the massive lawsuits that will be filed. Might even be able to get Daily Kos shut down temporarily. Or financially put him out of business…like they have done to Palin.
RR

ramrants on July 10, 2009 at 11:18 AM

…reading this post…no first amendment…reloading cartridges….have nothing to lose……reloading……they keep pushing….nothing to lose…….

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

OT: Is Michelle Obama pregnant?

German papers want to know.

Is this the key to “bumping” his poll numbers?

faraway on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Don’t worry Ed. Hauling your butt off to a reeducation camp will be a last resort (get it?). They will try something more benign first, like shutting down your blog.

SKYFOX on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Under standard liberal interpretation.
Anyone who disagrees with a liberal has caused “substantial emotional distress”.
Anyone remember the woman who almost fainted when Summers had the audacity to proclaim that the idea that there might be differences in the way men and women think would be worth researching.

MarkTheGreat on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Are we then going to transport them to the camps in boxcars, strip them of their belongings and herd them into “showers”. This government is insane. Wake up people, you’re about to lose it all.

rplat on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

$5 says that Jeff in WI is the first resident of PolitiMax prison.

myrenovations on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Whatever a leftist accuses another of doing is exactly what the leftist will do.

Does Timmy Robbins “feel a chill wind blowing?” Or, as I suspect, does he think this is a good idea?

jukin on July 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM

…reading this post…no first amendment…reloading cartridges….have nothing to lose……reloading……they keep pushing….nothing to lose…….

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

I sincerely apologize for my last post noted above. I wouldn’t want to “upset” anyone.

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Are we really mainstreaming the detention camps, now? Come on, Ed.

I never bought the “fema camp” crap, but this is the opening of 6 camps to hold people on military bases for unspecified reasons.

Thats starting to sound damn close.

sonofdy on July 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM

$5 says that Jeff in WI is the first resident of PolitiMax prison.

myrenovations on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

LOL..they gotta take me alive first.

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

We are facing a complete totalitarian takeover of our country and I’m really not sure people know or understand it. I’ve said it in the past and I’ll say it again. BO is the last president we will have and I really doubt there will be future free elections. My friend’s hippy father said it best when he said that BO was the last great hope of a communist utopia in his lifetime. This country is done and it will never and can never be what it was.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Woodrow WIlson would be much impressed with this version of the Sedition Act.

cyclown on July 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Are they going to slip an exemption in there for themselves?
ramrants on July 10, 2009 at 11:18 AM

They don’t need to slip in any exceptions, they just need a judge who views the world the way they do.

That is, anything said by a conservative is hatelfull.
Nothing said by a liberal is ever hateful.

Period.

MarkTheGreat on July 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

$5 says that Jeff in WI is the first resident of PolitiMax prison.

myrenovations on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM
LOL..they gotta take me alive first.

Jeff from WI on July 10

Hey Jeff, sometimes the greatest honors come from strange sources.

SKYFOX on July 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Why is Alcee Hastings in Congress? Oh, nevermind.

Over my dead body will they take anyone to a detention camp.

SouthernGent on July 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM

1984 is a powerful warning, not Totalitarian Regimes for Dummies, Congress.

Flyover Country on July 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM

If anyone doesn’t think governments, heck Western governments aren’t capable of locking people up for “inciting hatred,” (real or perceived), think again…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/north_yorkshire/8144366.stm

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM

First of all, Holder needs to be sitting in jail. What Justice did with respect ot the Black Panthers is a serious crime and all involved, all the way up to the America-hating, anti-white AG, need to be held to harshly account for their crimes (and they were clear crimes).

Secondly, anyone who, in light of these obvious crimes perpetrated by Justice against the American People, tries to give Holder more power and discretion in declaring Americans to be criminals is a criminal, himself. Hastings should be in jail, which is exactly where he should be sitting because of his criminal behavior while a federal judge.

When this junta in Washington is finally thrown out, I want to see the great bulk of these traitors held to account for their treasonous actions – and that means held to account for treason and punished in the way that traitors are due. I will be satisfied with nothing less.

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Hey Jeff, sometimes the greatest honors come from strange sources.

SKYFOX on July 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Very true

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Executive Order 9066, signed by Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, allowed authorized military commanders to designate “military areas” at their discretion, “from which any or all persons may be excluded.” These “exclusion zones”, unlike the “alien enemy” roundups, were applicable to anyone that an authorized military commander might choose, whether citizen or non-citizen.

Internment was popular among many white farmers who resented the Japanese American farmers. “White American farmers admitted that their self-interest required removal of the Japanese.” These individuals saw internment as a convenient means of uprooting their Japanese American competitors. Austin E. Anson, managing secretary of the Salinas Vegetable Grower-Shipper Association, told the Saturday Evening Post in 1942:

Manzanar is part of the National Park Service, so could easily be put back into operation. Add a couple of trailers and we have our “camp”.

right2bright on July 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM

I read the original text of these bills a few days ago and, while I have strong concerns about the lack of due process in allowing the AG to simply designate someone a dangerous person just because of his beliefs or (IIRC) tattoos, Hastings’ amendment about the regional command centers looks more like a bunch of pork for areas affected by base closures than anything else.

irishspy on July 10, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Will those DHS defined as “terrorists” be voting at all? The NRSC oughta be running with this, whether or not it has a chance to pass. Every Dem on Capitol Hill should be asked about this today, and either endorse it or condemn it. Alcee Hastings is Hitler. There, I said it. Akzed on July 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Better late than never, Ed.

Akzed on July 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

But, but, Glenn Beck said the FEMA camps were a myth!

riverrat10k on July 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

It’s not paranoid to be extremely wary of legislation that would give two unelected government officials power to legally declare someone a “domestic terrorist” and send them to a government-run camp.

If it is as nice as Gitmo that may beat welfare.

Herb on July 10, 2009 at 11:25 AM

If the Dems keep this up, the Republicans can win back the house, senate and white house…no matter how dysfunctional they are. Anything would be better than this.

I really doubt there will be honest elections in 2010. They will be rigged to favor the dems.

As for the cyberbully law…do the dems realize most of the bullying comes from their side? The sites that promote their agenda (Daily Kos, HuffPo). Are they going to slip an exemption in there for themselves? I would love to see this law passed…and then used against them….until, of course, the Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional. But it would be fun watching them have to defend themselves against the massive lawsuits that will be filed. Might even be able to get Daily Kos shut down temporarily. Or financially put him out of business…like they have done to Palin.
RR

ramrants on July 10, 2009 at 11:18 AM

What the dems realize and fully understand is that it will be them that sets the rules so the sites you mention will be labeled mainstream while sites like this will be labeled as hate sites.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Are we really mainstreaming the detention camps, now? Come on, Ed.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Hastings and Sanchez did, nutter

bill30097 on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

buy much more ammo

bill30097 on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

They want to come and get me for daring to speak out against Obama’s new “soft” National Socialism they’re going to have to climb over the dead bodies of the first few goons who tried.

wildcat84 on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Keep track of this legislation, will you Ed? The whack-jobs at Free Republic will be going ballistic over this. (Can’t wait to see Glenn Beck’s take on this.) Makes you wonder though if Obama Dementia Syndrome has a valid basis.

lonesomecharlie on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Can we start in Minnesota? Those people up there are nuts!

SouthernGent on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Re-Education Camps. Must train Conservative Resistance Movement members to honor Messiah & Co. properly.

n0doz on July 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

This government is insane. Wake up people, you’re about to lose it all.

rplat on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

It may very well be to late.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM

The perfect storm in all this is the fact that we have a legislative and exectutive branch that do not regard the rule of law or the Constitution as a basis for our law.

We have a Supreme Court that is hanging by a thread when it comes to the rule of law vs the rule of social justice.

And when there is lawlessness, all the lawyers in the world will not be able to stop this or challenge this idea based on any Constitutionality.

katy on July 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM

1984 is a powerful warning, not Totalitarian Regimes for Dummies, Congress. Flyover Country on July 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM

More like Brave New World. American fascism is… nicer.

Akzed on July 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM

bill30097 on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

BLOAT.

Fletch54 on July 10, 2009 at 11:28 AM

buy much more ammo bill30097 on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

How many state cops do you plan to shoot on your front porch?

Akzed on July 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM

I recently mentioned to my parents that I had written my local ABC affiliate to express my outrage at their complicity in ABC becoming the All Barack Channel. My parents advised me to be careful. I initially thought they were kidding around. Later I considered they were somewhat serious. Now I think they may have been on to something.

anglee99 on July 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM

lonesomecharlie on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Your job as a camp trustee with Obamaperks is waiting for you.

Fletch54 on July 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Thats starting to sound damn close.

sonofdy on July 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Lots of stupid things are proposed; but don’t pass. Hasting has a history of doing things like this. Doesn’t mean it’d ever come to reality.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Yes, that sound you hear is a train coming down the tracks.

Yes, those lights you see are on the front of a train coming down the tracks.

Yes, that rumbling you hear is a train coming down the tracks.

Yes, that push of air you feel is a train coming down the tracks.

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

OT: Is Michelle Obama pregnant?

German papers want to know.

Is this the key to “bumping” his poll numbers?

faraway on July 10, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Andrew Sullivan, call your office.

Flyover Country on July 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Lots of stupid things are proposed; but don’t pass. Hasting has a history of doing things like this. Doesn’t mean it’d ever come to reality.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Doesn’t mean it won’t, either by that logic. Lots of stupid things do pass too.

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM

WHY isn’t a proven corrupt idiot like Alcee Hastings in JAIL, after being convicted of taking a bribe as a judge and impeached? Isn’t bribery-taking a felony? Instead, his equally-idiotic constituents send him to CONGRESS?

bradley11 on July 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I recently mentioned to my parents that I had written my local ABC affiliate to express my outrage at their complicity in ABC becoming the All Barack Channel. My parents advised me to be careful. I initially thought they were kidding around. Later I considered they were somewhat serious. Now I think they may have been on to something.

anglee99 on July 10, 2009 at 11:29 AM

And don’t even think about writing your representatives…

…eh, a risk I’m willing to take

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM

WHY isn’t a proven corrupt idiot like Alcee Hastings in JAIL, after being convicted of taking a bribe as a judge and impeached? Isn’t bribery-taking a felony? Instead, his equally-idiotic constituents send him to CONGRESS?

bradley11 on July 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Sharpton: “African American Icon!”

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:33 AM

WHY isn’t a proven corrupt idiot like Alcee Hastings in JAIL, after being convicted of taking a bribe as a judge and impeached? Isn’t bribery-taking a felony? Instead, his equally-idiotic constituents send him to CONGRESS?

bradley11 on July 10, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Because Patriots have not stood up to them.

daesleeper on July 10, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM

This is the FEMA camp bill, that Beck debunked months ago. It’s HR 645. It’s “been in committee” since January; where it’ll never leave. It has a single co-sponsor – a Republican, believe it or not.

No one would touch this thing with a 10-foot pole.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Sec. 881. Cyberbullying

‘(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

.
So this law could be used to go after the people villifying Sarah Palin? Andrew Sullivan, watch your back.

iurockhead on July 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM

We are facing a complete totalitarian takeover of our country and I’m really not sure people know or understand it. I’ve said it in the past and I’ll say it again. BO is the last president we will have and I really doubt there will be future free elections. My friend’s hippy father said it best when he said that BO was the last great hope of a communist utopia in his lifetime. This country is done and it will never and can never be what it was.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Sadly, I agree with your comments. In my case, my age may limit my exposure to what is coming. May God have mercy on our souls.

hillbilly on July 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Give Me Liberty or Give them Death. :)

hawkman on July 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM

WOLVERINES!

TheSitRep on July 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Of course, one of Congress’ first acts were the Alien and Sedition Acts, directed at persecuting the Republicans.

JohnJ on July 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Hmmmm, put all NRA members in camps…(?)

Good luck with that.

infidel4life on July 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Robert Mugabe would pass legislation like this. So would Chavez, Ortega, etc. If the mullahs had stuff like this, they could end the protests PDQ.

Do Bama, Hastings and Holder think they are running a country in Africa?

Harry Schell on July 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Over my dead body will they take anyone to a detention camp.

SouthernGent on July 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM

That’s what progressives do. Wilson, FDR, now Obama.

It’s a family tradition.

spmat on July 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Let’s just remember our current indignation over our liberty being tramped on next time a “well-intentioned, honorable” Republican calls for McCain-Feingold II

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Very true

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009

Of course, you could be like the man Lincoln told of who, when being readied to be run out of town on a rail said: “If not for the the honor of the thing, I’d sooner walk”.

SKYFOX on July 10, 2009 at 11:39 AM

I’ve known for a long time that Democrats are totalitarians, even more so than Republicans, but this (if true) takes it to an entirely new level. Uncle Joe Stalin would be proud of his disciples in Congress.

Vic on July 10, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Hey we are already unpatriotic,treasonous, terrorists.
They better build more than 6 camps just for the pro-life
terrorists. Maybe a dozen more for the unpatriotic small government types, and another dozen or so for the treasonous
believers in the 1st. and 2nd. amendment.

fourdeucer on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

but just a badly worded piece of pork.

maybe, but its a weapon that can be mis-used and one that we don’t need to give ANYONE.

sonofdy on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Why is it that whichever party is out of power immediately begins to have paranoid delusions about the other party? I think the FEMA camps rumor ranks up there with the notions that G.H.W. Bush used the CIA to run a drug smuggling operation, that Clinton murdered Vince Foster, and that G.W. Bush caused 9/11 to create a fascist police state. Someone call Alex Jones!

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

This is the FEMA camp bill, that Beck debunked months ago. It’s HR 645. It’s “been in committee” since January; where it’ll never leave. It has a single co-sponsor – a Republican, believe it or not.

No one would touch this thing with a 10-foot pole.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM

You forgot one little thing: Democrats have a SUPERMAJORITY now.

There is NOTHING that can stop them from doing what they’re set out to do now. With ACORN in retainer for the census and other “activities”, they’d keep that status quo for a long time.

The independence movements in Texas and Vermont better keep a close watch on this.

newton on July 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Agreed however this is different because it is in law and open to all to read. I never bought any of the fema camp and truther crap but this is on another level.

sonofdy on July 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

So HR 645 has some vague terms in it that could or couldn’t be used to detain folks in the event our Government decides Marshal Law is the way to go or “hate bloggers” like Ed need rounded up? But as Lorien says, it’s not gonna pass because there isn’t any support for it.

BUT, having that bill sitting in close approximation to the amendment Hastings is trying to tack on granting Holder the power to label Ed a hateful person sure makes things stink to high heaven?

Pretty much sums it up? :)

Thunderstorm129 on July 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

They don’t need to slip in any exceptions, they just need a judge who views the world the way they do.

Like a ‘wise Latina woman’?

Wolftech on July 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Exactly. Washington Examiner might want to be the “conservative hub” online, but with crap like this, it’s going become Alex Jones’ #1 hangout. It’s stupid. There are real things to oppose in DC, but boogeymen is not one of them.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Why is it that whichever party is out of power immediately begins to have paranoid delusions about the other party? I think the FEMA camps rumor ranks up there with the notions that G.H.W. Bush used the CIA to run a drug smuggling operation, that Clinton murdered Vince Foster, and that G.W. Bush caused 9/11 to create a fascist police state. Someone call Alex Jones!

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

You forgot Internment Camps and the NRA (not what you think it is…)

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:43 AM

probably meaningless

There’s something about those two words that don’t make me feel a whole lot better. But, it’s great that you took such a strong stand on this.

genso on July 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

newton on July 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM

There is no supermajority in the house, where Hastings is.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

They better build more than 6 camps just for the pro-life
terrorists.

fourdeucer on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

For every one of us put in a camp, a thousand will toe the line.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

A bit off topic, but…

“‘(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

Wouldn’t this cover Andrew Sullivan’s cyber-stalking of Sarah Palin?

DrDeano on July 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Knowing Hastings, the camps thing was probably more about semi-permanent welfare housing than about concentration camps.

Count to 10 on July 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

There is no supermajority in the house, where Hastings is.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Anything that passes the House will eventually go to the Senate. Don’t forget that.

newton on July 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Why is it that whichever party is out of power immediately begins to have paranoid delusions about the other party?

hicsuget on July 10, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Evidently, you haven’t noticed anything that the junta in Washington has done since they took power. Well … ignorance is bliss, I guess. Don’t think. Just be happy.

BTW, what other American administration or Congress has ever talked about “Truth Commissions”? Is it paranoid of me to believe that a US Congress and White House would toy with the idea of “Truth Commissions”? Silly me. And that is the very least of what these traitors have been doing. Nation of cowards, indeed …

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Are we really mainstreaming the detention camps, now? Come on, Ed.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

When did you start working for Janet Napolitano?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Knowing Hastings, the camps thing was probably more about semi-permanent welfare housing than about concentration camps.

Count to 10 on July 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Haha

Probably just as bad…

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Need for paranoia? I’d say YES when you’re giving ONE person the authority to “label” someone because they oppose “government policy”.

Pray tell, what is the purpose of ‘labeling’ someone? Do they have to wear a yellow star on their outer garment? Maybe a pink triangle? Would there be a ‘penalty’ for not wearing the label? Will those so ‘labeled’ be proscribed from voting? Owning property? Traveling? Will they have to live in ‘designated areas’?

Not making an accusations here. Just asking questions.

GarandFan on July 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

This administration is comming dangerously close to the tripwire. I thought it would be an attack on the 2nd amendment but looks like they want to make certain behaviors illegal. I think they should pay close attention to what happened in Honduras. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country. I doubt the military will shoot its citizens on the order of a Obama who tries to take over.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on July 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Wouldn’t this cover Andrew Sullivan’s cyber-stalking of Sarah Palin?

DrDeano on July 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM

I don’t like that bill at all.

I’d rather have Todd Palin give that Sullivan a good piece of his (latex-glove-covered) fist. That’s be good enough for me.

newton on July 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

That language allows the Pentagon and Homeland Security leeway to adapt for other issues without having to worry that lawyers will descend upon them like locusts for not strictly limiting use to the statutes.

You are far too trusting of government.

True_King on July 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

That’d be… Damn!

newton on July 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Whether it passes or not, there are some seriously nasty people in the US govt. The irony is that what they propose is itself a hate crime.

OldEnglish on July 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Anything that passes the House will eventually go to the Senate. Don’t forget that.

newton on July 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

The traitors have 60 lunatics in the Senate. Nothing is going to stop them, there, either.

progressoverpeace on July 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Wow, how out there can some of these “servants of the people” be? While I know that reason dictates, in our current climate, that something like this won’t happen, it’s a bit intimidating to think that we are swiftly moving in a direction that it might. I have to have faith that the American public will wake before it’s too late. Preferably before 2010 so we can start the process of cleaning up the mess being made.

aelhues on July 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Hastings is off his nut, and ANYONE who supports this, pol or media, should have his name plastered all over the net so that we can take advantage of our 1st Amendment right and “discuss the issue” with him.

madmonkphotog on July 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM

This administration is comming dangerously close to the tripwire. I thought it would be an attack on the 2nd amendment but looks like they want to make certain behaviors illegal. I think they should pay close attention to what happened in Honduras. There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country. I doubt the military will shoot its citizens on the order of a Obama who tries to take over.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on July 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

They would include many “well-intentioned” Republicans… Thank Gaia that we now have hate crime laws… To think that we made it this long without them.

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM

COMPLETELY O/T, and I apologize…been away for awhile. But where is Allahpundit?

bernzright777 on July 10, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The left want nothing more than to do away with all things conservative. Including actual conservatives.

This will happen if we dismiss it as nonsense.

To us it is craziness.

To the left it is a goal.

katy on July 10, 2009 at 11:49 AM

COMPLETELY O/T, and I apologize…been away for awhile. But where is Allahpundit?

bernzright777 on July 10, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Staycation.

Upstater85 on July 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

When did you start working for Janet Napolitano?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

When did we start latching onto looney conspiracy theories?

Just because this guy wants it, doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen. This guy proposes a lot of stupid crap, doesn’t mean they pass.

Just a few months ago, conservative sites bent over backwards to disprove the FEMA camps, now we are saying they are a reality.

If you wanna be marginalized, believe this bullcrap will ever pass or pass any sort of legal muster. Your choice.

lorien1973 on July 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Remember also that one of Obama’s Mentors Par Excellence, professor Bill Ayers, said a long time ago that it would take the execution of 25 million Americans in order to accomplish his Communist goals…

newton on July 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

I doubt the military will shoot its citizens on the order of a Obama who tries to take over.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on July 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM

There are some Kent State students unavailable for comment.

jmarcure on July 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

COMPLETELY O/T, and I apologize…been away for awhile. But where is Allahpundit?

bernzright777 on July 10, 2009 at 11:49 AM

DHS Camp.

Of course.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

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