The lock-up-your-opponents bills of 2009?
posted at 11:08 am on July 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Would Congress ever pass legislation that would allow the executive to determine at its own discretion whether political opponents had crossed the line into domestic terrorists and build camps in which to keep them? Sounds like something out of 20th-century totalitarian systems or dystopian fiction. Mark Tapscott says it’s not fiction, and he warns readers about an effort by Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-FL) to do just that:
Rep. Alcee Hastings – the impeached Florida judge Nancy Pelosi tried to install as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee until her own party members rebelled – introduced an amendment to the defense authorization bill that gives Attorney General Eric Holder sole discretion to label groups that oppose government policy on guns, abortion, immigration, states’ rights, or a host of other issues. In a June 25 speech on the House floor, Rep. Trent Franks, R-AZ, blasted the idea: “This sounds an alarm for many of us because of the recent shocking and offensive report released by the Department of Homeland Security which labeled, arguably, a majority of Americans as ‘extremists.’”
Another Hastings bill (HR 645) authorizes $360 million in 2009 and 2010 to set up “not fewer than six national emergency centers on military installations” capable of housing “a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster.” But Section 2 (b) 4 allows the Secretary of Homeland Security to use the camps “to meet other appropriate needs” – none of which are specified. This is the kind of blank check that Congress should never, ever sign.
It’s not paranoid to be extremely wary of legislation that would give two unelected government officials power to legally declare someone a “domestic terrorist” and send them to a government-run camp.
To be fair on the second point, most legislation includes phrases similar to the “meet other appropriate needs” as a means of allowing flexibility in using facilities commissioned by Congress. Under unforeseen circumstances even apart from creating concentration camps for abortion opponents, the six national emergency centers might need to get some use other than housing military personnel or civilians evacuated from a disaster area. That language allows the Pentagon and Homeland Security leeway to adapt for other issues without having to worry that lawyers will descend upon them like locusts for not strictly limiting use to the statutes.
However, the designation of domestic terrorist groups — a necessary and critical process for keeping the peace — should not fall into the hands of just one person. That process needs oversight and consensus to be credible and fair. Congress should have some involvement, especially in oversight. Holder could be the greatest AG in the history of the US but still should not have the absolute authority to make that designation, especially after the track record of the DHS in using vague parameters and broad-based smears of legitimate political protest earlier this year.
Mark may also want to look at HR 1966, introduced by Rep. Linda Sanchez last April in reaction to the suburban mother who drove one of her daughter’s acquaintances — a 13-year-old girl — to suicide. Bas cases make bad law, and that’s doubly true here. Look at this language and imagine how this could be used:
Sec. 881. Cyberbullying
‘(a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Who decides what constitutes “substantial emotional distress”? What is the definition of “severe” and “hostile”? What kinds of persons can claim victimhood under this bill? This purports to be a bill to prevent cyberbullying — which is hardly a crime wave in America anyway — but could easily be perverted to shut down “mean” bloggers.
This Congress has taken a strange and dangerous turn away from the principles of free speech and towards … something else entirely.
Update: Apparently, the Irish are also having trouble with this concept.
Update II: I think I was a little too subtle in my post. I don’t think Hastings is passing a “concentration camp” bill, but just a badly worded piece of pork. Irishspy in the comments sums it up better than I did above:
I read the original text of these bills a few days ago and, while I have strong concerns about the lack of due process in allowing the AG to simply designate someone a dangerous person just because of his beliefs or (IIRC) tattoos, Hastings’ amendment about the regional command centers looks more like a bunch of pork for areas affected by base closures than anything else.
That was my point. The language that Mark points out is pretty much legislative boilerplate, probably meaningless in the sense Mark takes it. I’m much more concerned about the cyberbullying bill and the authority Hastings wants to grant to the AG.
Update II: Radio Vice Online has been looking at the cyberbullying bill, too.
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No worries. Our DC GOP geniuses in leadership will find a way to give Barry the lead again.
hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM
Obama fatigue has set in already. For dems that is. I was tired of him just knowing who and what he was back in early 2008. Welcome to the funk libs.
DanMan on May 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM
Yeah, but who else do they have?
hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Obama’s response: “Let me be clear — Quack! Quack!”
KS Rex on May 9, 2013 at 6:55 PM
What else can they “win”?
Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM
You missed spelled it: limp d!ck.
except when Reggie comes calling.
I want to watch the one spin out of control. Literally.
AllahsNippleHair on May 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM
Several months late on that. Where were they last November?
GarandFan on May 9, 2013 at 6:59 PM
I don’t really have Obama fatigue right now. My frustration is with the Senate Gangbangers.
Wigglesworth on May 9, 2013 at 6:59 PM
How’s those student loan fees going? Higher rates and higher cost to go to school now that the Govt’s got the “business”? That worked out as well as RobertObamaCare, didn’t it?
Rovin on May 9, 2013 at 6:59 PM
They both suck.
And remember 42% didn’t even know ObamaCare is the law of the land as of last week.
1-20-17
PappyD61 on May 9, 2013 at 7:00 PM
Lame Duck Liar. The Benghazi Bullsh*tter. The Teleprompter Reader In Chief.
One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America
Basilsbest on May 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM
Does this just reveal how close the GOP and the rat-eared wonder are in policy?
davidk on May 9, 2013 at 7:01 PM
Joe Scarborough … check your registation
J_Crater on May 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM
Quack! Quack! Thump! Quack! Quack! Thump!
davidk on May 9, 2013 at 7:03 PM
Another worthless poll.
Bottom line is make a difference voters are the Food Stampers and other benefit receivers and they all swing Democrat…
albill on May 9, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Not bad for a leaderless party demonized by the media non stop. Now just imagine if the GOP had a spine!
Jack_Burton on May 9, 2013 at 7:08 PM
Circling the wagons for The One. But since he’s a lame duck, it okay to begin to consider disagreeing with Obama as Dems start to position themselves for 2016.
JimLennon on May 9, 2013 at 7:10 PM
Gun Protectors—1
Gun Grabbers —-0
canopfor on May 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM
Bravo Can!
Rovin on May 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM
They do have a spine. Just look how hard they are pushing “immigration” reform against the will of the people.
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Mimzey on May 9, 2013 at 7:33 PM
I’d like to hear Johnny Carsons response as to just what kind of lame duck he is, as in ” he is so lame even Sheila Jackson Lee won’t greet him when he speaks to congress.”
tim c on May 9, 2013 at 7:50 PM
A two day old tuna sandwich could be tied with or ahead of ObamThe guy has accomplished about as much
scalleywag on May 9, 2013 at 8:03 PM
canopfor on May 9, 2013 at 7:18 PM
Bravo Can!
Rovin on May 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM
Rovin:———-:O
canopfor on May 9, 2013 at 8:11 PM
Tell a lie often enough, loud enough… They are just trying to write the narrative hoping that if enough people believe it, it will become the truth.
deepdiver on May 9, 2013 at 8:22 PM
and now even David Frum is criticizing the schumer/rubio thing?
immigration reform must really suck bad
oh well, Mario…here’s a clue…when Frum is off the reservation, time for you to have an ‘awakening’..and quick
http://minx.cc/?post=339838
r keller on May 9, 2013 at 8:24 PM
Lame fluck is more like it.
A bigger charlatanic thug the land never had.
Schadenfreude on May 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM
Calling him a Lame Duck isn’t right. He’s no Duck.
trigon on May 10, 2013 at 12:54 AM
Why would anyone compare the GOP’s to Obama’s on anything at this point?
Obama’s not going to be an election opponent for anyone in the GOP ever going forward.
It’s as meaningless as it would have been to compare Obama’s number’s to Bush’s numbers in 2008. Bush wasn’t running.
To quote Hillary, “What difference, at this point, does it make?”
VekTor on May 10, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Should have been “GOP’s numbers to Obama’s numbers“
VekTor on May 10, 2013 at 5:35 PM
There is excise tax on all alcoholic beverages, but beer, wine, and distilled liquor are all licensed and tracked separately.
gryphon202 on May 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM