TO DO SO IS CONSIDERED TREASON.
elduende on July 10, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Then why didn’t they charge and try him for treason?
You are still tap dancing.

IF THE HONDURAN MILITARY HAD ANY GUTS AND HAD PULLED OFF A REAL COUP BY RIGHTS THIS PIECE OF SHIT WOULD HAVE A BULLET IN HIS HEAD.

NOW GO AWAY TROLL!

Now we know what your idea of justice is and that you don’t know the meaning of the word “troll”.

Again, does article 239 or any other article say you can’t propose to hold a Constituent National Assembly?

Bill Blizzard on July 10, 2009 at 10:15 PM

What, are you an idiot or is English you second language? Let me guess, you’re from Venezuela and Chavez is your idle, if not Castro and Stalin?

Frickin’ commies!

To answer your question for the last time troll:

HE CANNOT CALL FOR A CONSTITUENT NATIONAL ASSEMBLY IF THE PURPOSE IS TO CHANGE ONE OF THE FOUR IRON CLAD PROVISIONS OF THE HONDURAN CONSTITUTION.

los artículos pétreos lo cual es un delito de traición a la patria

TO DO SO IS CONSIDERED TREASON.

FURTHERMORE, HE AUTOMATICALLY FORFEITS HIS OFFICE NO IMPEACHMENT NECESSARY, NO DISCUSSION, NO DEBATE.

TO CALL HIS THUGS INTO THE STREETS IN THE FACE OF THE ILLEGALITY AND DO SO AFTER HIS OWN PARTY, THE JUSTICE MINISTRY, THE CONGRESS, AND THE SUPREME COURT, PUT HIM BEYOND HONDURAN LAW AND IN ACTIVE REBELLION AGAINST THE STATE.

IF THE HONDURAN MILITARY HAD ANY GUTS AND HAD PULLED OFF A REAL COUP BY RIGHTS THIS PIECE OF SHIT WOULD HAVE A BULLET IN HIS HEAD.

NOW GO AWAY TROLL!

And don’t you think they need one if there are no impeachment provisions? I’m sure the constitution doesn’t say if 239 is violated that the fix is to kidnap and ship him off to a different country.

The only reason for that is because the powers that be in Honduras are afraid of the people. And that is what you are tap dancing around.

He didn’t violate article 239. Does that article state that you can’t hold a Constituent National Assembly?

Bill Blizzard on July 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM

It sounds like “playing dumb” is the only defense your kind can muster for poor ol’ Zaleya.

Yes, the supreme court decided that Zelaya’s actions were in violation of the article that forbids even proposing extending term limits for the president. Anyone can see that he was well past the planning stage and in the process of executing the plan when he was booted out of the country in his suddenly stained jammies.

The Honduran Supreme Court ruled that Zeyala had tripped the provisions of Article 239, and the Honduran Congress agreed. They are the bodies authorized by the Constitution to make the call, so for all practical purposes he DID violate Article 239. You and I are not sworn to uphold the Honduran Constitution, nor are we charged with the responsibility for carrying out the law under that Constitution. And neither are Chavez, Clinton and Obama.

It is up to our Supreme Court to rule on our Constitution. Likewise for Honduras. You seem to be saying that since you don’t like the current Honduras Constitution, illegal and unconstitutional actions in Honduras should be ignored.

Forget what the “referendum” was for. Zelaya had no authority to call one; it takes two thirds of the Honduran Congress to call for a referendum. The head of the armed forces does not report to Zeyala; he had no authority to dismiss the general.

Bill, you sound like a typical leftist: To hell with constitutions and laws – let’s do what we want anyway.

Bill Blizzard on July 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Are you being deliberately dense? What was the purpose of that proposed national assembly genius? It was to change the constitution so that the one term limit could be overwritten. Stop beclowning yourself.

elduende on July 10, 2009 at 4:39 PM

He didn’t violate article 239. Does that article state that you can’t hold a Constituent National Assembly?

Bill Blizzard on July 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Please come up with the legal authority that trumps Article 239 in the Honduran Constituion, and share it with us, or stop posting your leftist propaganda.

Article 239 specifically states that any president who so much as proposes the permissibility of reelection “shall cease forthwith” in his duties, and Article 4 provides that any “infraction” of the succession rules constitutes treason.

Article 239 specifically states that any president who so much as proposes the permissibility of reelection “shall cease forthwith” in his duties, and Article 4 provides that any “infraction” of the succession rules constitutes treason.

For those who rule behind the scenes, Zelaya took a step too far when he began to push for the convocation of a constituent assembly in order to democratize Honduras’s notoriously exclusionary political system. Expectedly, these efforts were opposed by the national Congress and the Supreme Court, both of which are controlled by an inbred clique of career politicians and judges invested in keeping Honduran politics restricted–including members of Zelaya’s Liberal Party.

Zelaya was not seeking to stay in power by unconstitutional means; even if his political reforms had succeeded, he would have been out of power within the year. The only side guilty of unconstitutional action is the coup plotters.

Honduras’ non-coup
Under the country’s Constitution, the ouster of President Manuel Zelaya was legal.
By Miguel A. Estrada
July 10, 2009

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-estrada10-2009jul10,0,1570598.story

FloatingRock on July 10, 2009 at 1:54 PM

thanks for the shout out!

Uh Ed, I think you forgot Obama in that group

blue1 on July 10, 2009 at 2:14 PM

And the UN, the OAS, ALBA and various left wing human right organizations. Pretty much all the people that are outrages already, only they’d be more outraged because Zelaya would be in prison… for a short time, before he’s freed by a mob and the military is forced to either shoot a bunch of rioters or retreat.

Ed’s plan would have been a disaster.

most of the international outrage would have been limited to Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, and Daniel Ortega, and no one would be meddling in Honduran affairs.

Uh Ed, I think you forgot Obama in that group

I don’t know what’s happened to Ed…

JackOkie on July 10, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Based on the fact that he keeps making certain arguments without providing any evidence as a basis, which perhaps a hundred people here have requested on the various Honduras threads, my guess is that Ed hasn’t been reading our comments in these threads, especially Elduende’s, and is instead basing his analysis on the MSM.

I like to think that if Ed had been participating in these threads, or at least reading them, his analysis would be better, but I could be wrong. Maybe he keeps making the same baseless arguments time and again because he keeps getting called on it and still thinks he’s right.

In regards to Clinton they have specifically asked for the legal basis for her opinions as regards “the coup”. They have presented to the State department the legal basis for Honduras’s actions. They are demanding a response as it impacts our foreign aid to Honduras. The Honduran government now knows it has major support in DC!!!!

Who knows, maybe Repubs read our demands here last week!

The Repubs have stepped up. Three cheers.

Thank you! That’s the story in a nutshell, and I am mystified why Ed and others don’t seem to understand that.

I was long a faithful visitor to Captains Quarters. I don’t know what’s happened to Ed here at Hot Air (too busy to get it right?), but I am less and less inclined to stop by. Ed’s was a unique presence in the Blogosphere; here he’s sounding more and more like just another hack. It’s a damn shame.

What are you saying? Do you DARE to compare the Fauxbama regime to others like it?

After all, they’re only part way to such a thing, maybe 20%.

We all have to be patient and wait until it’s 51% like other ‘regimes’, THEN we can speak out!

- At which point we won’t have the right to speak out, ohh well….

Chainsaw56 on July 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Right now, we are in 1933′s Weimar Republic in the process of being morphed by the modern day NSDAP (democrat party) led by a charismatic speech maker who thinks he has all the answers (Obama). He’s even picked out targets to blame all his mistakes on (the so called “rich”), and is proposing all sorts of bad ways to punish them.

Yes, Obama and the Pelosi/Reid democrats are FAR beyond liberals, they are full blown authoritarian National Socialists.

So let’s all pretend that Alcee Hastings’ “Round Up the Patriots Act” could never amount to anything.