Pope lectures Obama on abortion

posted at 5:55 pm on July 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Some people believed that Pope Benedict’s meeting with Barack Obama amounted to a slap in the face of conservative American Catholics, who have criticized Obama’s liberal stands and actions on abortion, a silly notion considering the official status of both men.  Even more obviously, they didn’t understand Benedict or know his history.  When Obama met Benedict, the Pope began with a lesson on the fundamental nature of human life:

Pope Benedict XVI stressed the church’s opposition to abortion and stem cell research in his first meeting with President Barack Obama on Friday, pressing the Vatican’s case with the U.S. leader who is already under fire on those issues from some conservative Catholics and bishops back home. …

“In the course of their cordial exchanges, the conversation turned first of all to questions which are in the interest of all and which constitute a great challenge … such as the defense and promotion of life and the right to abide by one’s conscience,” the statement said.

Even in his gift to the U.S. leader, the pope sought to underscore his beliefs. Benedict gave Obama a copy of a Vatican document on bioethics that hardened the church’s opposition to using embryos for stem cell research, cloning and in-vitro fertilization. Obama supports stem cell research.

“Yes, this is what we had talked about,” Obama said, telling the pope he would read it on the flight to his next stop, Ghana.

There is no word in this report about what Obama gave the Pope as a gift, although it does say that Obama brought a letter from Ted Kennedy and a request to keep the Senator in the Pope’s prayers.  One hopes that Obama is getting better protocol advice on gift exchanges than he did with Gordon Brown’s visit and his audience with Queen Elizabeth.  The Pope’s gift, though, sent a message.  The Vatican later confirmed that Benedict had only given copies of his recent encyclical on human dignity in economics to other heads of state, not the policy position on bioethics.

This should surprise no one.  As a cardinal, Joseph Ratzinger had taken a conservative line on doctrine, supported in that effort by then-Pope John Paul II, and was not one to shy away from confrontation.  He has gently but firmly insisted on reciprocity from Muslim states on freedom of Christians to worship when attending ecumenical meetings.  Benedict planned to control the agenda by making his meeting with Obama a teaching moment, even if Obama had already closed his mind:

Denis McDonough, a deputy White House national security aide, said of the pope and Obama, “They discussed a range of those issues, and I think the president was eager to listen to the Holy Father.” He said Obama was “eager to find common ground on these issues and to work aggressively to do that.”

Bu[t] he said there may be some issues on which they can’t agree.

Clearly, and on those issues, Benedict has no plans to remain silent.  Neither should we.

Update: Actually, the White House did a very good job picking out the gift this time.  Looks like they’re learning from their protocol mistakes, anyway.  (via Fallen Sparrow in the comments)


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The Pope probably got a letter from Teddy asking for absolution regarding a previous nighttime drive across a bridge. As for The One. He probably left in a huff. After all, no one gets to question The One’s divinity.

GarandFan on July 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Too bad that issue is beyond his pay grade.

Falz on July 10, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Pope Benedict XVI. +10

darii on July 10, 2009 at 6:02 PM

There is no word in this report about what Obama gave the Pope as a gift, although it does say that Obama brought a letter from Ted Kennedy and a request to keep the Senator in the Pope’s prayers. One hopes that Obama is getting better protocol advice on gift exchanges than he did with Gordon Brown’s visit and his audience with Queen Elizabeth.

Actually, Obama gave Pope Benedict an appropriately tasteful gift. Someone did their homework this time.

Fallen Sparrow on July 10, 2009 at 6:03 PM

As long as we have a consensus on being kind to convicts, sparing murders’ lives, and throwing out our immigration laws, then we can agree to disagree on killing babies.

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Maybe he should focus on lecturing to Catholic lawmakers who support abortion fervently. Word has it that Kennedy sent a letter. I wonder if the pope sent one back with a lecture on abortion.

Seriously, if the Catholics in Congress were against abortion, it would be banned today.

ThackerAgency on July 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM

FALZ:

I misread that as gay parade.

birdhurd on July 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Oops. Here’s the link to the story about Obama’s gift to the Pope.

Fallen Sparrow on July 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Laura in Maryland on July 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Harsh….but I like it.

ladyingray on July 10, 2009 at 6:05 PM

At least they agree on Keynsian economics.

jgapinoy on July 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM

There is no word in this report about what Obama gave the Pope as a gift…

A nice Koran, maybe?

Cicero43 on July 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Other than for PR BS reasons, I can’t see any reason for these two to have a convo.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Sorry, didn’t mean to make that all a link. Yes, I know: the preview button is my friend.

VanPalin on July 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Today is one of those days I am especially glad I swam the Tiber.

May the Lord take this meeting to break into the mind and hear of President Obama so he might see the evils of abortion.

talking_mouse on July 10, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Good job papem

blatantblue on July 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Fallen Sparrow on July 10, 2009 at 6:04 PM

What a relief, that’s sounds like a beautiful gift.

Cindy Munford on July 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM

He said Obama was “eager to find common ground on these issues and to work aggressively to do that.”

What would “common ground” be between killing babies and not killing babies? Maiming babies?

Cicero43 on July 10, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Did Obama explaint to the Pope how he didn’t want his daughter “stuck with a mistake”?

Bicyea on July 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM

There is no word in this report about what Obama gave the Pope as a gift

Obama did give the Pope a gift.

Obama left the country…

Hog Wild on July 10, 2009 at 6:15 PM

best gift he could have given the pope was a reversal on his view on abortion. Our country would be better off if we stop KILLING babies!!!

whatzit2u on July 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM

So, maybe what bugs me is that Obama is playing around with his “common ground” blather which is how he persuaded many Catholics to follow him blindly to the White House. He played the “we’ll support social justice” if you don’t pay attention to our other positions.

Yes, Benedict handed him “instructive tomes”, but he needed to also emphasize that your moral compass and actions matter, whether you are a world leader or just a parent of two young girls. And, it needed to be delivered firmly, without a smile.

2nd Ammendment Mother on July 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM

He said Obama was “eager to find common ground on these issues and to work aggressively to do that.”

What would “common ground” be between killing babies and not killing babies? Maiming babies?

Cicero43 on July 10, 2009 at 6:11 PM

From an old WaPo piece dated June 3, 1994 on Clinton’s meet with the Pope:

President Clinton sought common ground with Pope John Paul II today despite their disagreement over abortion as he opened his European tour with a day of maneuvering through political and diplomatic minefields.

Among those minefields was a session with Italy’s new prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, whose inclusion of the neo-fascist-rooted National Alliance in his governing coalition has ignited fears in Europe and elsewhere of a fascist resurgence. Clinton said Berlusconi assured him that all members of his government “from top to bottom” are “unequivocally committed to democracy,” and …

“plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”—”the more it changes, the more it’s the same thing”

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 6:18 PM

He has gently but firmly insisted on reciprocity from Muslim states on freedom of Christians to worship when attending ecumenical meetings.

Was that before or after he apologized for quoting a former pope? Was that before or after he went to pray in a mosque? Was that before or after he advertised Islam as a great religion. . . you know the people he’s supposed to convert?

If Obama had gotten the same results as the pope you’d be ridiculing him. I guess that is what comes with the nature of the hierarchy of Catholicism. The pope could say abortion is a great thing, and you’d still probably come up with a reason he is right.

This is not a knock against the pope here, more your characterization of him. I always find conservative anti-abortion Catholics fascinating. Catholics have voted Democrat, pro-abortion, and FOR OBAMA for decades. I don’t understand why they TAKE the credit for being the ‘most’ against abortion. This visit with the pope ensures Obama will get a majority of Catholic votes AGAIN next election.

I see it as contempt for Christians other than Catholics that do good. I find it humorous among the minority ‘holier than thou’ conservative pro-life Catholics.

ThackerAgency on July 10, 2009 at 6:21 PM

Obama did give the Pope a gift.

Obama left the country…

Hog Wild on July 10, 2009 at 6:15 PM

That was his gift to us…

To the pope he gave one of these.

Scrappy on July 10, 2009 at 6:22 PM

VanPalin on July 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM

He’s the one who coined the phrase “dictatorship of relativism” after all.

jgapinoy on July 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Actually they don’t. The social teaching of the Church, dating back to its initial articulation in “Rerum novarum” is that propery rights are God-given and that socialism, being rooted in the vice of envy, is based upon class warfare and the abolition of property, “cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church” (Quadragesimo anno, 117). The current Pope writes, “Integral human development presupposes the resposible freedom of the individual and of peoples” (Caritas in veritate, 17, emphasis in original).

As much as the religiously ignorant in the State-Run Media would have you believe, Catholic doctrine is far more “conservative” than some would have you believe.

Fallen Sparrow on July 10, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Get ‘em, papa!

AbaddonsReign on July 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Credit where credit is due: Obama’s gift to the Pope was tasteful and appropriate. It was a stole from an American saint, St. John Neuman. H/T The Anchoress for posting about it.

evergreen on July 10, 2009 at 6:30 PM

I can’t see any reason for these two to have a convo.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM

The Pope’s gift to the President, and the resulting publicity, is a good enough reason for the meeting. Isn’t it? The Pope just reminded all Americans that every human life is precious, from the moment of conception.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Update: Actually, the White House did a very good job picking out the gift this time. Looks like they’re learning from their protocol mistakes, anyway. (via Fallen Sparrow in the comments)

However the White House continues to not discuss the Relic, because when Obama first viewed it… a bright White Light began to eminate from the Stole, and Obama backed away in Fear…

Obama then ensured the Pope would get the Relic, as it would get another Holy object out of “His America”.

/dam, I should start writing for the Enquirer!

Romeo13 on July 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM

ThackerAgency on July 10, 2009

Your contempt for Catholics knows no bounds.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 6:42 PM

I wonder if Obama told the Pope about:
his plan to impose new limits on charitable tax deductions thru tax law not to mention the effect his stimulus and cap and trade will have on discretionary income

or that conservatives donate more to charity than liberals

or that his vice president reported a total of $3,690 in charitable donations, (0.2% of their income) over the last decade.
I wonder.

http://philanthropy.com/news/updates/7244/obama-plans-to-reduce-charitable-deduction-for-wealthy-donors

diogenes on July 10, 2009 at 6:48 PM

i’m certain he worked his magic on the pope and the pope will soon come out in favor of abortion and stem cell research

rjoco1 on July 10, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Dan Brown’s next novel in the making.

Ugly on July 10, 2009 at 6:50 PM

ThackerAgency on July 10, 2009

Your contempt for Catholics knows no bounds.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 6:42 PM

Lox exactly

Thacker- ok you are the most pro-life. Feel better?

By the way your logic is convoluted.

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 6:53 PM

The stole, a long scarf-like garment that is worn around a priest’s neck, had lain with Neumann’s body for 18 years until it was removed in 2007.

So they stole a scarf from the body of a dude who died 18 years before and that’s considered an improvement in Obama’s gift giving practices.

Nice.

Guardian on July 10, 2009 at 6:55 PM

How can this be? Wasn’t it the AP who claimed that Obama “granted” an audience with the Pope?

golfer1 on July 10, 2009 at 7:01 PM

His remark to the Pope was short and curt…….We Won

right2bright on July 10, 2009 at 7:03 PM

You don’t suppose Messiah Obama tried to ‘sell’ the Pope the b.s. line about being ‘personally opposed to abortion’ (while doing everything in his power to promote it), do you? If he could sucker millions of ‘U.S. Americans’ with that line, surely he could sucker some old German priest, couldn’t he?

olesparkie on July 10, 2009 at 7:11 PM

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 6:53 PM

I don’t know why, but some people hate others more than they love life.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM

evergreen on July 10, 2009

As if the big-eared freak had anything to do with it but say, “OK, as long as we can get it for free.” No credit to that sucka$$.

SKYFOX on July 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM

When Pope Benedict entered a mosque, he was wearing the pectoral cross that any bishop would wear. He held it with his hand as the entourage stood in silence in the place of worship. Any other Christian would have been forbidden to wear the object in a place devoted to Islam.

I’d say His Holiness won that round, and made his position on the Truth of his Faith quite clear — enough that he would risk offending his guests.

manwithblackhat on July 10, 2009 at 7:16 PM

I’m surprised he didn’t want to know if ‘the One’ has seen any good movies lately or what he likes to do in his spare time…:rolleyes:

DanaSmiles on July 10, 2009 at 7:18 PM

I’d be more excited about what the Pope did if he wasn’t espousing other thing sounding lefty.

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 7:19 PM

That was his gift to us…

Scrappy on July 10, 2009 at 6:22 PM

But Obama is coming back to this country. He may never visit the Vatican again.

Just sayin’….

Hog Wild on July 10, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Obama does not have a conscience to have been awakened by his conversation with the pope.

TXMomof3 on July 10, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Barry. Doesn’t. Care. what the Pope says.

Its all Kabuki theater to help Maobama’s image.

to repeat: Barry. Doesn’t. Care.

Itchee Dryback on July 10, 2009 at 7:29 PM

If the Pope wants to get their attention regading abortion, the EXCOMMUNICATE the DEMS that are Catholic.

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM

regading=regarding

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM

So they stole a scarf from the body of a dude who died 18 years before and that’s considered an improvement in Obama’s gift giving practices.

Nice.

Guardian on July 10, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Doesn’t that make the Pope a fence?

Cicero43 on July 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM

I bet the chick magnet doesn’t even listen. Abortion is too handy for guys that like doing the mystery dance with whomever suits their fancy.

Hening on July 10, 2009 at 7:33 PM

although it does say that Obama brought a letter from Ted Kennedy and a request to keep the Senator in the Pope’s prayers.

Teds’ askin for prayers?
I’ll pray for the drunken, bloated, murdering bag of sh..

I pray he gets a brain tumor the size of Massatuchits, barely clings to life, stays a Senator for twenty more days then, like Michael Jackson…

OOOPS, Dear Lord forgive me, I know I should hold myself to a higher standard than a bunch of scumbag liberals who would trash a downs syndrome child, his’ Loving mother, and make rape jokes about 14 year old girls so let me try again:

Now I lay me down to sleep, pray the Lord lays Ted down too, forever,

OOOPS, Sorrry I guess I just can’t do it after all.

dhunter on July 10, 2009 at 7:36 PM

As a practicing Catholic, I am very pleased that Obama has finally gotten his proticol act together regarding his gift to the Pope. I thought it was thoughtful and very personal and, although I disagree with about 99% of his policies, I am happy Obama finally did some good gift.

I also thought Michelle was appropriately dressed, however, I would have preferred that she wear a really stylish HAT instead of that dreary mantilla. Although covering the head is asked, a black curtain is not compulsory…black women tend to wear hats well, and I wish Michelle had chosen something really lovely instead of that black rag.

marybel on July 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM

+1
____________________

they need to walk the walk if they are practicing Catholics…

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Building a winning team and developing good family relationships requires focusing on areas of agreement and discussing areas of disagreement civilly. It requires we not throw bombs at, or goad fights among, one another. This is difficult to do, but it’s part of being responsible and respectful in a diverse republic.

Or, we can be a puritanical party that all share exactly the same views, lose election after election, and never advance any item on our agenda.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 7:48 PM

they need to walk the walk if they are practicing Catholics…

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Are you Catholic?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 7:49 PM

This is not a knock against the pope here, more your characterization of him. I always find conservative anti-abortion Catholics fascinating.

Look at the ignorance of thought employed to construct those sentences. This is a comment typical of Catholic intolerance and a life spent in the dark developing a mind that manifests and spews the identical darkness.

ericdijon on July 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Now I have a new label for Ackbar – REGIFTER
No wait. That’s not accurate. Some mindless prole on the WH staff conned some nice people out of a relic and Barry Dunham gets the credit. He gave what was not his to give.

Pardon my pedestrian, material ways. When I give a gift, it is always MY time, or MY talent, and sometimes MY treasure. The A$$hat in the oval office just pulled another fast one. Now everybody thinks he found a clue.

Blacksmith8 on July 10, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 7:49 PM

born and raised….

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 7:57 PM

I just feel if you truly believe in the church’s teachings then abide by them…if not, then either leave or attend services without taking communion….

I know, I know, lots of hypocrisy within the church’s wall but that’s just my feelings…

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Not knocking Catholicism but I grew up Catholic and found it to be too liberal for my tastes, so I switched.

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:03 PM

I’d say His Holiness won that round, and made his position on the Truth of his Faith quite clear — enough that he would risk offending his guests.

manwithblackhat on July 10, 2009 at 7:16 PM

“offending his guests”???
Sometime, (when you’re really feeling full of yourself), try to enter a mosque (anywhere on the planet) while holding a crucifix in plain sight. Then try to keep ALL of your blood inside your body.

The Pope ROCKS!!!

Blacksmith8 on July 10, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I’m shocked he didn’t give the Pope a copy of the koran on a Kindle or something.

KSgop on July 10, 2009 at 8:06 PM

I don’t know why, but some people hate others more than they love life.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Congratulations!
Acknowledgment and acceptance of the problem is the first..and personally hardest, first step toward healing and a healthier mental state.

I’m pullin’ for ya!
You can do it!

Itchee Dryback on July 10, 2009 at 8:07 PM

If the Pope wants to get their attention regading abortion, the EXCOMMUNICATE the DEMS that are Catholic.

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 7:30 PM

+1
____________________

they need to walk the walk if they are practicing Catholics…

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 7:47 PM

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Okay. So, what would you have the Pope do differently?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:09 PM

he gave the pope an i-pod with his recent speeches

rjoco1 on July 10, 2009 at 8:14 PM

n July 10, 2009 at 7:33 PM

although it does say that Obama brought a letter from Ted Kennedy and a request to keep the Senator in the Pope’s prayers.

Teds’ askin for prayers?
I’ll pray for the drunken, bloated, murdering bag of sh..

I pray he gets a brain tumor the size of Massatuchits, barely clings to life, stays a Senator for twenty more days then, like Michael Jackson…

OOOPS, Dear Lord forgive me, I know I should hold myself to a higher standard than a bunch of scumbag liberals who would trash a downs syndrome child, his’ Loving mother, and make rape jokes about 14 year old girls so let me try again:

Now I lay me down to sleep, pray the Lord lays Ted down too, forever,

OOOPS, Sorrry I guess I just can’t do it after all.

dhunter on July 10, 2009 at 7:36 PM

I’d think prayers for Mary Jo would be more appropriate.

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Pope against abortion…American Catholics vote in the most pro-abortion President ever….Pope should start admonishing HIS OWN PEOPLE FIRST!

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Without American Catholic Vote….Obama LOSES.

Thanks guys

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:22 PM

I agreed with Jeff’s idea, I know it won’t come to fruition though….they will be judged when the time comes…

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Toady Kennedy’s letter hauled across the Atlantic by the Omaba seems like some high-level elitism at work here.

The are less complicated ways to get your mail to the Pope.

ericdijon on July 10, 2009 at 8:27 PM

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Just to be clear, do you also agree that Catholics are to blame for Obama? As in this:

Without American Catholic Vote….Obama LOSES.

Thanks guys

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Just to be clear, do you also agree that Catholics are to blame for Obama? As in this:

Without American Catholic Vote….Obama LOSES.

Thanks guys

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Don’t you?…It’s statistically true

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Yes, there are a lot of liberal Catholics out there and I don’t understand their thinking but hey, that’s America…

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

The Pope’s gift to the President, and the resulting publicity, is a good enough reason for the meeting. Isn’t it? The Pope just reminded all Americans that every human life is precious, from the moment of conception.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Yes, I think you’re right.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:31 PM

What group didn’t give Obama a majority?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Did the Pope vote for Obama?

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 8:45 PM

What group didn’t give Obama a majority?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

smarties.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM

What group didn’t give Obama a majority?

military

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Yes, there are a lot of liberal Catholics out there and I don’t understand their thinking but hey, that’s America…

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

While I think the abortion issue is more important than the war and economics many Catholics likely believe the Dems rhetoric regarding the war and social justice. These Catholics were misguided on the war and on economic justice as social spending grew faster under Bush than under Clinton.

Conservative Catholics did not in general vote for him. I suspect Church going Catholics conservative or not did not either.

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 8:51 PM

Yes, there are a lot of liberal Catholics out there and I don’t understand their thinking but hey, that’s America…

cmsinaz on July 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

I don’t know about your parish, but every parish I’ve ever attended has been very pro-life. So, what do we do about those who do not follow Catholic this teaching?

Should the Pope be silent about all other matters, but only talk to American Catholics about how we vote in elections and Congress on abortion? Should the Pope excommunicate American Catholics if they vote wrong on any Catholic issue? Isn’t this what is being proposed here? And doesn’t this feed into one of the bigoted claims against devout Catholics? That we’re papists who mindlessly worship idols and follow papal orders?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:53 PM

smarties.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Not that education makes one a “smarty” Obama won the educated vote.

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Update: Actually, the White House did a very good job picking out the gift this time. Looks like they’re learning from their protocol mistakes, anyway. (via Fallen Sparrow in the comments)

Ed, may I suggest reading this about the gift Obama gave His Holiness:
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/07/what-will-pres-obama-give-the-pope-when-he-is-admitted-to-his-holinesss-presence/

Vatican Watcher on July 10, 2009 at 8:55 PM

I don’t know about your parish, but every parish I’ve ever attended has been very pro-life. So, what do we do about those who do not follow Catholic this teaching?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:53 PM

I have been pleasantly surprised at how pro-life the Churches are here. I do think that the gravity of the sin that is abortion demands a harsh response. This is not about funding food banks or whether we should be in Iraq. In fact war is viewed totally differently by the Church as you know.

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Not that education makes one a “smarty” Obama won the educated vote.

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Nearly everyone in my family have Ivy PhD’s–a bigger bunch of morons you’ll never meet.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:57 PM

What group didn’t give Obama a majority?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

What group didn’t give Obama a majority?

smarties.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Takes one to know one.

military

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:48 PM

I can believe that, but I’ve not read polling for that. Is it true? Do you have a reference?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Not that education makes one a “smarty” Obama won the educated vote.

The first person to propose a form of universal compulsory education was Danton, one of the leaders of the French Revolution, who oversaw the execution of thousands of nuns and priests. He was a kind of proto-Lenin in regards to capturing the minds of the young and brainwashing them with leftist ideology.

aengus on July 10, 2009 at 8:58 PM

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Agreed. Just on anti-Catholic bigotry patrol, here.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:58 PM

I can believe that, but I’ve not read polling for that. Is it true? Do you have a reference?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:57 PM

no loxie, I have faith :)

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:59 PM

He was a kind of proto-Lenin in regards to capturing the minds of the young and brainwashing them with leftist ideology.

aengus on July 10, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Seems to me you’re saying conservatives have no excuse for having surrended control of the institutions. It’s not like we weren’t warned. Personally, I plead ignorance.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Nearly everyone in my family have Ivy PhD’s–a bigger bunch of morons you’ll never meet.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Does this include graduates from before the 70′s, when the infiltration started growing rapidly?

Then again, I’ve known PHD’s who got theirs decades before the 70′s who were absolutely brilliant in their subject area, but as thick as wood on everything else. Academics can be very strange people.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 9:04 PM

The Pope probably got a letter from Teddy asking for absolution regarding a previous nighttime drive across a bridge. As for The One. He probably left in a huff. After all, no one gets to question The One’s divinity.

GarandFan on July 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Teddy could have gotten that at any point via confession. Of course, since, in Catholicism faith must be actively buttressed by works wherever possible, we have no idea what was the given penance (works Teddy needed to perform to mitigate the results of his sin) if Teddy did indeed seek absolution.

unclesmrgol on July 10, 2009 at 9:05 PM

The filthy liar in the White House met with the head of the Roman church on the 500th birthday of John Calvin.

I make this connection to point out that, as far as these meet-and-greets go, the Pope is nothing more than a head of state of a very small nation. A member of Jerimiah Wright’s racist perversion of Christianity is not going to really care about what the head of Roman Catholics tells him about faith or morality (the Pope’s gift was a nice touch though). There is no equivilent “Presbyterian Pope” for the filthy liar to meet and greet with to make common cause with on behalf of Protestants.

Bottom line, Obama gets traction out photos with the Pope but this wasn’t a discussion of faith. Benedict lectured the filthy liar on abortion in the same way that Hugo Chavez lectured the filthy liar on American imperialism. Nothing more and no real discussion of faith. Much as the filthy liar’s press releases make it sound as if this was a holy visit instead of a diplomatic one.

highhopes on July 10, 2009 at 9:06 PM

I have faith :)

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 8:59 PM

I do too. Not all, but a very high percentage of the military I’ve met are truly wonderful and patriotic people, regardless of their education or religion or race or anything else.

Where do they find such people?

Right here. In America.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Does this include graduates from before the 70’s, when the infiltration started growing rapidly?

Then again, I’ve known PHD’s who got theirs decades before the 70’s who were absolutely brilliant in their subject area, but as thick as wood on everything else. Academics can be very strange people.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 9:04 PM

No. 80′s and forward. Brilliant wastes, not helpful in preserving society,just taking advantage of it.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Where do they find such people?

Right here. In America.

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Yes. Amazing.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Vatican Watcher on July 10, 2009 at 8:55 PM

OMG!

jay12 on July 10, 2009 at 9:11 PM

highhopes on July 10, 2009 at 9:06 PM

I like the way you always show respect and use Obama’s title. I don’t have such discipline, but thank you for your good work.

JiangxiDad on July 10, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 8:31 PM

What group didn’t give Obama a majority?

Loxodonta on July 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Lutherans, Wisconsin Synod

Jeff from WI on July 10, 2009 at 9:13 PM

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