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Obamacare faces a backlash from the Center-Left

posted at 9:15 pm on July 10, 2009 by Karl
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Kirsten Powers, David Brooks and Michael Kinsley are not exactly charter members of the VRWC, but they do not have much nice to say about Obamacare — or the way Pres. Obama is trying to sell it to a skeptical public. Here’s Powers:

An analysis of a new poll from the centrist think tank Third Way finds that Obama needs to radically alter how he’s selling his plan to America.

Obama’s central message so far has focused on the promise of lower costs for health coverage and more accessibility. But the poll (conducted by the Benenson Strategy Group) suggests that these aren’t the most potent issues.

In fact, a mere 29 percent of respondents agreed with the promise that their premiums would go down as a consequence of reform. And regarding “accessibility,” only 9 percent said that in the last five years they were without coverage all or most of the time.

Moreover, when asked, “Who do you think will benefit most from reform?” a whopping 60 percent chose “other people, but not [me].”

Third Way labels this the “what’s in it for me?” phenomenon. It argues that Obama must convince the middle class — which largely has health care and is satisfied with that care — that his plan would benefit them.

David Brooks, while floating ideas that would make a government takeover of the US healthcare system even less politically saleable, recognizes the facts on the ground:

As Alec MacGillis reported in a front-page piece in The Washington Post this week, “All signs in Washington suggest that cost considerations will be kept at arm’s length as health-care legislation moves forward.” As my colleague David Leonhardt wrote in his column this week, “The current health care system is hard-wired to be bloated and inefficient,” and health care economists don’t see the current bills doing enough to fix that.

The basic problem is that the American people have gotten used to high-tech, all-everything health care, under the illusion that they don’t have to pay for it and that it’s always better for them. Politicians are unwilling to force voters and donors to give up that sort of system, even the parts that are ineffective.

Michael Kinsley piles on:

[P]eople, even liberals, are starting to get unnerved by the cost of all this. We now talk of trillions the way, even a few months ago, we spoke of billions. In mid-June, the Senate health committee put out its version of reform and was horrified when the Congressional Budget Office figured that it would cost a trillion dollars over 10 years (over current spending) and would still leave millions uninsured. The committee retreated to its lair and re-emerged in early July with a revised plan “scored” by the CBO as costing only $600 billion and leaving only 3 percent of the population uninsured. Six hundred billion doesn’t sound like all that much to achieve, or come close to achieving, an important and long-standing goal such as universal health care. But keep in mind that health-care reform is supposed to save money. Its premise is that the current path is unaffordable. In that sense, a “mere” $600 billion extra is total defeat.

And that’s before you recognize that the $600 billion figure is an accounting shell game – the program’s total outlays remain somewhere between $1 and $1.3 trillion. This dynamic is playing out even in the solidly Democratic House, where at least 40 members of the Blue Dogs were demanding changes to key aspects of the joint House bill and threatened to derail the leadership’s timetable.

Getting a pair of bills to a House-Senate conference and beyond requires that the House pacify enough Blue Dogs and that the Senate persuade enough centrists not to filibuster. It seems as though the recent efforts by Democratic leadership to adopt a more partisan approach has provoked a backlash in Congress and the punditocracy. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Maj. Ldr. Harry Reid may have tipped their hands too soon.

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Update: Roll Call reports that “House Democrats’ health care bill has been delayed indefinitely as leaders continue negotiations with fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats…”

Update x2: But wait, there’s more! From the Politico:

–Forty members of the conservative Blue Dog Coalition – representing just enough votes to kill a party-line vote – articulated their “strong reservations about the process and direction” of an early preview of the bill offered by chairmen of the Energy and Commerce, Education and Labor and Ways and Means committees.

—A pair of junior members of the House garnered 60-plus signatures on a letter siding with prescription-drug makers and President Obama and against the call of Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) to reinstate some price controls.

—A group of 22 wayward New Democrats expressed their hope that government-sponsored health coverage would piggyback on Medicare’s pre-existing network, despite earlier opposition to the idea from caucus leaders.

—And finally, a mix of 20 rural and Western Democrats made their case for why the bill should fix inequities in the reimbursement rates Medicare pays to health care providers in “low-cost, high-quality” states.

Also, deranged Rep. Pete Stark updates us on the cost: “Right under $1 trillion. … We’re trying to do it on the back of an envelope, but I don’t have any more than a guess.”

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We need to hold the line on this one!! Stay strong Republicans!!

Khun Joe on July 10, 2009 at 9:17 PM

So now it becomes just like the Tax & Kill bill; what will it take to make the faint hearted republicans and blue dogs to vote for this? And once again Pelosi and Co. will be very generous because it aint their money

Defector01 on July 10, 2009 at 9:21 PM

that’s a whole lotta info to digest, nightmares tonight over this.

SHARPTOOTH on July 10, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Those asses need to leave Washington and start breathing some real air for awhile. Perhaps a stint on the unemployment line might change their perspective.

GarandFan on July 10, 2009 at 9:24 PM

I believe the further President Obama’s poll numbers slip, the “free-er” Representatives become in opposing something they obviously know (whether that knowledge comes from actually READING the bill or instinctively) isn’t worth the cost and is destructive to our Health Care system.

In other words…continue to fall, baby. The lower the approval numbers go, the better for all of us (and this nation).

LiquidH2O on July 10, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Question: Given my background in economics (zero) I’m wondering how these budgetary numbers are derived. If we’re talking $1T to $1.3T over the next decade, has the CBO figured in the next recession?

Unless I’m wrong here, it seems to me that like it or not, a capitalist economy has cyclical ups and downs that are virtually un-preventable. So, second question: does that mean that during times of reduced “revenue” (tax dollars), does rationing increase as the program grows and is inevitably underfunded? And a follow up: does that also mean that during every recession the Congress will be “forced” to raise taxes to try to fund the starving Government Health Care Program?

BKeyser on July 10, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Anybody that votes for any of this stuff is toast. I will see to it. We need to take the Country back.

suzyk on July 10, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Lesson #1: Threaten a blue dog’s job and you threaten the policy or program.

Rovin on July 10, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Blue dogs are a crock of shit until now when they’re afraid they may lose their job. Then the suddenly care about fiscal sanity. There was what, like only 10 Dems that voted against Porkulus?

gsherin on July 10, 2009 at 9:38 PM

The only way to threaten Blue Dogs is to throw them out of office.

suzyk on July 10, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Somebody had better find a way to avoid this catastrophe or it will surely break the old camel’s back.

rplat on July 10, 2009 at 9:42 PM

It would appear as if the patient has said “Ugh!” instead of “Ahhh!”

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on July 10, 2009 at 9:45 PM

So how many years will it take for Obama to add more to the national debt then 8 years of Bush?

So far it would appear to be about 2.

18-1 on July 10, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Holy cow! I know I’m off topic, but to me, this transcends. It is pertinant, timely, and germaine to all the arguements we have been attemting to make. for your consideration the words of a man better than we, Patrick Henry.

If we wish to be free– if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending–if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained–we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

Archimedes on July 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Defector01 on July 10, 2009 at 9:21 PM

You are on the money. Pelosi will just find something to hide in the bill to bribe the needed number to pass the thing. Some representatives will be given “permission” to vote no to save their skins in upcoming elections. Others will be browbeaten into it. It ain’t over. After seeing how cap n tax went, I don’t think there are too many Repubs or Blue dogs with any balls.

catlady on July 10, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Old enough to remember that Medicare was only going to cost about $400 million in total when it became law.

There is far more than $400 million lost to Medicare annually in fraud, waste and abuse of the system.

I still cannot get over how few realize that once government is in competition with the private sector for a service, the private sector, in order to reduce costs, will give their employees over to the government system in a heartbeat.

Obamacare will indeed be the end of any sort of private health care insurance or means of payment for all but the very very rich…who can afford to spend lavishly while the rest of the population has to fill out forms, stand in lines and perhaps die whilst waiting for a simple exam, let alone a life-saving procedure.

And, few understand, that if government controls it, they can easily ration it. Do you get that kidney, or does some other person get it, based not on immediate medical need but on proximity to those who control it? Will affirmative action standards be put in place? Will a person be denied services because of some sort of other habit or lifestyle choice? Who decides? The doctors…there will be fewer and fewer of them…or a federal bureaucrat working under a ceiling of keeping outlays minimal?

If you liked the HMO approach that many of us suffered through, then you will love government run health care.

And if you are used to getting free stuff from government already…then, of course you will be in favor of this. Why not? You don’t have to pay for it. You aren’t even paying taxes.

coldwarrior on July 10, 2009 at 10:01 PM

So how many years will it take for Obama to add more to the national debt then 8 years of Bush?

So far it would appear to be about 2.

18-1 on July 10, 2009 at 9:49 PM

The dems own the last 2.5 years.

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 10:02 PM

That “we inherited” the debt (or anything else) from Bush is a lot like telling folks that you inherited that old car from Uncle Bill, right after you drove it, drunk, into that bridge abutment.

Ain’t Uncle Bill’s fault you hit the gas instead of the brake.

coldwarrior on July 10, 2009 at 10:10 PM

So this is what passes for “thought” in DC? Sorry Mr Brooks, I think most everyone understands quite well what healthcare costs.

Sometimes I think people like this just fill in the blanks in their brain with what they think the “insiders” think. No independent thought here. Move on, nothing to see:

The basic problem is that the American people have gotten used to high-tech, all-everything health care, under the illusion that they don’t have to pay for it and that it’s always better for them. Politicians are unwilling to force voters and donors to give up that sort of system, even the parts that are ineffective.

r keller on July 10, 2009 at 10:14 PM

The dems own the last 2.5 years.

CWforFreedom on July 10, 2009 at 10:02 PM

That’s true…but even giving them the 06-08 they are not going to come out well.

IIRC, Obama will easily add more to the debt this year then Bush did in 01-06…

18-1 on July 10, 2009 at 10:14 PM

I keep the chart of the deficit during Bush and then the projected one under Obambi and beyond on my fridge so I am daily reminded of why I dislike politicians so much…

catlady on July 10, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Congress would be well advised to adopt the “First, Do No Harm” principle from the medical community.

landlines on July 10, 2009 at 10:17 PM

American Power tracked-back with, “House Dems Seek Tax Hikes on Wealthy to Pay for Health Reform”:

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/house-dems-seek-tax-hikes-on-wealthy-to.html

Donald Douglas on July 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM

ObamaCare will be the death of America.

-Dave

Dave R. on July 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Dare I hope?

On (knee)cap and tax too?

Yakko77 on July 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Medicaid and Medicare ARE national health care if you ask me…and they are broken. I heard Sen. Richard Burr on the radio here in Raleigh, NC (WPTF AM), and he said part of this healthcare bill simply shifts the cost to the states and is another unfunded mandate. Go figure.

SouthernGent on July 10, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Also, deranged Rep. Pete Stark updates us on the cost: “Right under $1 trillion. … We’re trying to do it on the back of an envelope, but I don’t have any more than a guess.”

I would suggest any of the following to Rep. Stark.

1. stop trying to do it on the back of an envelope.
Use spreadsheets, and actual accounting methods.
2. If you don’t understand the underlying math, don’t pass the frigging bill.
3. Don’t be in such a hurry – if it’s a good idea, 6 more months of review and deliberation won’t hurt it; If it’s a bad idea, haste won’t help it.

massrighty on July 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM

massrighty on July 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Just like the sleazy used car salesman down the street…wing it, be light on facts, push to close the deal, make sure you get the buyer to believe that if he don’t buy today, right now, he’ll never see a deal like this ever again…

In other words…we got the Chicago Hustle goin’ on.

coldwarrior on July 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM

coldwarrior on July 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Yeah, because every on of these deals always has to be done now! now! now! or the world will end.

massrighty on July 10, 2009 at 10:44 PM

I find it amusing that Obammy and his super-ultra-smart political advisers decided to come out of the box on healthcare reform by abandoning the “poor children” and “49-million uninsured” approach favored by the Dems for the past decade or so.

Seemed politically astute at the time, as they realized that most people don’t really care about – or believe in – the “poor children” and care more about keeping the insurance they have than being dragooned into some socialized nightmare just so some faceless (and mythical) 49 million people other than myself can be insured.

Problem is, Obammy and his whiz kids chose to sell Socialized healthcare on the basis that it is skyrocketing healthcare costs that threaten to bankrupt America.

What they failed then to realize is that any government plan that would provide universal care would be wildly expensive (why deal with reality, we’re Democrats?) and that the public would instinctively know this.

Add to that the GAO and Congressional Budget Office estimates of the increased costs – and the public’s uneasiness with Obammy and the Dem’s insane “stimulus” spending, and the NEW, economically-prudent rationale for socialized healthcare carries zero credibility with the public.

All that said, the real menace we face is the arrogance of the Democrat congress, who are all too likely to say, “To hell with what the people want, we’ve been slavering over the prospect of single-payer, Socialized healthcare for 50 years and we’re finally in a position to shove it down their throats”.

guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM

I often wonder what part of *NO* these Jackasses don’t understand. A majority of American people do not want these massively expensive and Socialist programs. And yet, they’ll deal with each other until they pass something.

It’s as if we don’t matter. I’m thinking a very harsh lesson is going to need to be delivered. Something more than just a loss of office for these people. Tar, feathers…something.

Is it that they just get caught up in the deal making and lose their minds. D.C. needs to be burned to the ground.

mrpeabody on July 10, 2009 at 10:55 PM

You know, I am sick and tired of this blue dog crap. Basically, a blue dog does not have core values, votes with the liberal Dems, and then, votes with the Conservatives if the wind starts to change. I AM NOT IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mobydutch on July 10, 2009 at 10:55 PM

You know, I am becoming more convinced that Obama’s real agenda is very simple: commit to so much new domestic spending that the only choice will be to completely – and I mean COMPLETELY – shut down and disband our military. I believe this is the point of the world tour he is on right now – he is preparing the world for a total U.S. pullout from all defense obligations and treaties, and leaving the world to go to the dogs. It will be done in the name of domestic fiscal imperatives, and anyone who objects will be forced to choose between maintaining a military and huge tax increases.

This is the ultimate liberal Utopia: a USA with no military and gargantuan cradle-to-grave government taking care of everyone.

rockmom on July 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM

If the Blue Dogs and Repubs can stall this until the August break, the rubes are gonna figure out what a mess this bill is. Given the trajectory of the deficit, Obama’s poll numbers and the natural forces of gridlock, health “reform” won’t happen unless the Senate libs decide to do a reconciliation cram down with 51 votes financed by higher taxes on all those evil rich people who are supposed to shut up and pay for everyone else’s freebies.

One other point – the HELP bill’s $600B-ish price tag did NOT include hundreds of billions in addtl Medicaid spending, which pushes the price over $1 trillion dollars.

Another problem in Massachussets where they implemented healthcare reform is that — no surprise — new doctors didn’t materialize out of thin air to take care of all the new state subsidized patients who now had insurance. Good luck getting a doctor appt there.

We have a $2T deficit. We need to whack spending, and yes, prob raise taxes to dig ourselves out of this hole that we are in. The 40 year consumption party is over, but, hey, we got some cool houses out in the middle of nowhere to show for it.

johnboy on July 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM

the real menace we face is the arrogance of the Democrat congress, …
guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Money quote!

massrighty on July 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM

You know, I am sick and tired of this blue dog crap.

I agree: these are basically Lefties who pretend to be “thoughtful moderates” in order to win in closely-divided districts. Total frauds. I almost have more respect for the outright, wack-job Lefties, who no longer bother to pretend.

guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM

massrighty on July 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Why, thank you, massrighty.

BTW, you must be as lonely a soul in Mass as I am in Marin County, California.

guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 11:06 PM

the real menace we face is the arrogance of the Democrat congress, who are all too likely to say, “To hell with what the people want, we’ve been slavering over the prospect of single-payer, Socialized healthcare for 50 years and we’re finally in a position to shove it down their throats”.

guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Just who again is voting for these slobs?
It totally confounds my senses.

Miss Molly on July 10, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Filthy liars, all of them. They don’t care about you or me or healthcare or the environment. They care only about getting reelected so that they can continue to have power and wealth and travel the world at our expense.

maryo on July 10, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Just who again is voting for these slobs?

Blacks
Hispanics
Single moms
Greens
Pony-tailed hippie Leftists
Ugly feminists
Moochers
Limousine Liberals
Illegal aliens
Gays
Public employees
Radical union workers
“Activists” whose funding comes from the Federal government
Dead people in Illinois

Quite a coalition.

guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 11:12 PM

The basic problem is that the American people have gotten used to high-tech, all-everything health care, under the illusion that they don’t have to pay for it and that it’s always better for them. Politicians are unwilling to force voters and donors to give up that sort of system, even the parts that are ineffective.

This guy is scary. I think what he’s saying here is we SHOULDN’T have the best medical care available to us, that we really don’t NEED that MRI, or that fancy super expensive new cancer drug, or that nifty cutting edge sonic knife. Naw, we need to get used to having more basic care, and leave that fancy stuff to the elite.

What most people REALLY want is NOT government health care. We want our PRIVATE health care made more affordable. Find out what’s driving up the costs so fast and remove those things. A lot of government red tape, unbelievable mal-practice settlements that drive costs through the roof, having to cover the costs of illegals and others who don’t stick around and pick up any sort of bill…those things need to be dealt with.

flyfishingdad on July 10, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Oh say, have the media been reporting that the govenment run health care plans, Medicare and Medicaid, actually cost more to administer than plans run by private insurance companies?

maryo on July 10, 2009 at 11:16 PM

You know this is not about “altering” or “fixing” the plan, it’s only about how to sell it to the US Public (with the assistance of the state run media of course). In other words, new language, not a new plan.

katablog.com on July 10, 2009 at 11:16 PM

we really don’t NEED that MRI

Funny story: I suffer from chronic sinus infections. I went to a new GP, looking for anti-fungal medicine to deal with it.

He suggested an MRI, just in case…just in case…the symptoms with which I had been familiar for 20 years might happen to be some sort of brain tumor.

I told him I didn’t want an MRI.

He was astounded and assured me that my insurance would pay for it.

I told him I already knew that, but that I didn’t want to over-use the healthcare system. I also told him that I understood that he needed to protect himself in the 1-in-a million case that my problem wasn’t sinus, but a brain tumor, so I would be happy to write out and sign a release of liability against him, if he would just stop screwing around and give me the prescription I knew full well that I needed.

He was…speechless.

guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM

guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 11:12 PM

1. You left “dropouts” off your list.
2. Not as lonely in Mass as you might think; I work in manufacturing, and live in a medium-small town. So, lots of conservatives in my daily life.

massrighty on July 10, 2009 at 11:23 PM

We have a $2T deficit. We need to whack spending, and yes,

prob raise taxes to dig ourselves out of this hole that we are in

. The 40 year consumption party is over, but, hey, we got some cool houses out in the middle of nowhere to show for it.

johnboy on July 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM

You were on a roll johnboy, right up to the “raise taxes” part. This nation will thrive only when taxes are lowered by putting this money back into working taxpayer’s pockets–which will put consumer spending back on track–which will put people back to work.

Rovin on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Rovin on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

That old Maggie Thatcher quote comes to mind.

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually,
run out of other people’s money.”

coldwarrior on July 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM

What most people REALLY want is NOT government health care. We want our PRIVATE health care made more affordable. Find out what’s driving up the costs so fast and remove those things. A lot of government red tape, unbelievable mal-practice settlements that drive costs through the roof, having to cover the costs of illegals and others who don’t stick around and pick up any sort of bill…those things need to be dealt with.

flyfishingdad on July 10, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Yes but even perfect sense, such as you just so clearly stated, is not processed the same as you and me. In the liberals mind what you just stated means that more government, not less will solve the problem.

Hence, there will always be a rift and a push towards more government control. Complacency is the enemy and the more overwhelmed we get the harder it is to combat it even in the face of perfect sense.

Miss Molly on July 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM

Rovin on July 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Our administration is surely disappointed with the unemployment numbers. But notice that your friendly neighborhood liberal is still dodging behind the months-in-office-inherited-worse-economic-disaster-since-the-Great-Flood excuse. the The dropping poll numbers are expected by The One’s people (to a degree) and the game is to allow the suffering to continue for now and try to control the money supply. All the gold and inflation bugs are sweating more every day. The adminsitration now hopes that the porkulus kicks in just in time for 2010 and definitely by 2012. With a growing economy, a cadre of paid election cheats and a fawning media, The One will be on course to lead us forward. They just take the pressure now and will swerve to the center for pragmatic reasons. Like The One sending predators for hits in Afghanistan. Or the Gitmo flip flop.

They don’t want to try to KILL our traditional capitalism or democracy just yet. They just want to bleed it for The One’s true “victim” constituency. A group which he believes has been cheated by a white, Christian, democratic, capitalistic America. He is Robin Hood with a Hugo Chavez agenda.

IlikedAUH2O on July 11, 2009 at 12:39 AM

guntotinglibertarian on July 10, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Don’t forget “economic illiterates” and, even more important, “people who have never bothered to read the Constitution.”

DrMagnolias on July 11, 2009 at 6:17 AM

The first time health care first got subsidized was during WWII as a ‘perk’ extended to those older workers who were retiring under the first wave of Social Security. They needed to be enticed back to work, along with moms and others, as the heavy industry needed a labor pool. Prior to that health insurance was true insurance: you bet you would get sick and the insurer betted you wouldn’t. And that was limited to the top managers of a company as a ‘perk’.

Health care got subsidized by tax breaks.

What are the lessons of subsidies?

Whatever is subsidized gets used uneconomically as its full cost does not fall upon those getting it.

Thus it is over-used.

Thus it costs more as it is over-used and there is a limited supply of whatever is being subsidized.

Prices go up even with a subsidy, and as the subsidy also grows with an inflator there is then a mechanism in place to make costs spiral upwards.

You want cheaper, more affordable, better, more accessible health care?

Get rid of the subsidies that pay for the overhead that doctors have to get in the way of non-productive staff to keep track of health care payments. We have driven the charitable hospitals to the point of no return by pricing them out of the market as charity cannot cope with the spiraling cost of subsidized health care. Physicians would be able to lay off clerical staff (which in most practices I have seen that staff is at least 1/3 if not 1/2 of the total staff of the practice), remove the overhead tracking cost, put direct payments (not co-payments, but actual cost of service) back in the hands of the health care providers, and allow doctors to give personal price breaks to certain income levels and free service to the poor if their practice can sustain that.

The system is rigged and it cannot be fixed as it is.

The UK cannot make this work and now have to import doctors as you would have to be nuts to want to practice medicine FOR a government bureaucrat… some still do as a humanitarian gesture, but they become bureaucrats in doing so. Germany is seeking to make those more well off pay for ‘private’ insurance while still paying for ‘public’ insurance: pay twice, get once, get some ‘reimbursemed’ by the State which is a subsidy. The number of MRI machines in Canada is equal to the number in the metro Philadelphia region…. plus in western Canada if you live out in very rural areas you need to get a maternity room booked 10 months in advance, good luck on that, I tellya. This does not work anywhere.

You can have abundant health care.

You can have quality health care.

You can have affordable health care.

Choose two out of three.

ajacksonian on July 11, 2009 at 7:01 AM

ajacksonian on July 11, 2009 at 7:01 AM

.
We can have all three, if we institute tort reform, and pick and choose insurance coverage.

darktood on July 11, 2009 at 7:19 AM

Another problem in Massachussets where they implemented healthcare reform is that — no surprise — new doctors didn’t materialize out of thin air to take care of all the new state subsidized patients who now had insurance. Good luck getting a doctor appt there.
We have a $2T deficit. We need to whack spending, and yes, prob raise taxes to dig ourselves out of this hole that we are in. The 40 year consumption party is over, but, hey, we got some cool houses out in the middle of nowhere to show for it.
johnboy on July 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM

I have 2 problems with your analysis. One, while it is true that there is a doctor shortage, that is not a reasonable argument against reform. If doctors are paid what they are worth and not saddled with outrageously unaffordable malpractice insurance, the supply would meet the demand. Obviously ObamaCare will result in even fewer people choosing to be doctors, and the few that remain will be third rate third worlders.

As for raising taxes: NO, that is not the solution. The solution is regulatory reform so that insurance companies are free to offer a menu of options without being mandated to cover items which hike up the cost, and to allow companies to compete over state lines.

Buy Danish on July 11, 2009 at 8:22 AM

The only real solution for America’s health care system is TORT Reform… I get at least (2) emails a day asking me if I have ever taken a certain type of medication, informing me that if I have taken such medication, I could be entitled to large payoff’s. These emails don’t ask me if I had any medical problems as a result of taking such medicine, they simply attempt to tempt me into thinking I could some form of a substantial payoff simply for having taken the medicine.

I also hear these type of ads on our local radio programming. Lawyers are a big part of this problem, and Americans would be wise to identify the problem and start there rather than allow the invent of a brand new beast that is written by the very same people who are a big part of the problem to begin with; LAWYERS disguised as politicians.

Keemo on July 11, 2009 at 9:05 AM

A huge number of Americans have finally thrown in the towel on the media, admitting that the big media is absolutely in bed with Democrats, and can not be trusted to provide accurate & factual news.

Hopefully, Americans will now realize the role played in so much of our everyday life by Lawyers & Judges. We, as a people, must zero in on the problems that plague our way of life, rather than allow propaganda to keep us confused and off target.

In my humble opinion, Lawyers have had their chance to run the greatest country ever created. Lawyers have proven to the American people that they are addicted to money, power, and sex, rather than serving at the pleasure the citizens.

Enough with Lawyers… Who should run the country, you might ask. I don’t have that answer, just know Lawyers have written laws that serve their industry rather than uphold the laws that were already in place.

Why is William Jefferson a free man? Why is John Murtha a free man? An entire thread could be written on the subject of “why is (fill in the blank) walking free.”

Keemo on July 11, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Just saw Barry speaking to the Ghana congress. He pledged $62 billion dollars in health care assistance to Africa. Even when he is out of the country he spends money. As Bugs Bunny would say, “What a maroon.”

bigtexmex on July 11, 2009 at 9:22 AM

The CBO just released its numbers, which are pretty good for the public option plan from the House. There should be a savings of 1.7 billion.

That’s a step in the right direction. I personally think that Republicans are wrong to fight this. It is a gamechanger for small businesses and for growth of jobs.

And we need that.

AnninCA on July 11, 2009 at 9:27 AM

The Simple Truth, that nobody dares speak of, is that health care costs rise as folks age, and stops when they die. Socialized medicine is about prioritizing (rationing) health care so that society benefits, not the individual. It is better for society to let the aged die earlier (cheaper).

Is that what people want? because, that is the program. The quid pro quo for signing on? Freebies. Everybody likes free money. Freebies are the drug of socialism – serving as an aid to cloak the real, but ugly, agendas.

shaken on July 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM

It is a gamechanger for small businesses and for growth of jobs.
AnninCA on July 11, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Marxist math alert!

It is a “gamechanger” all right – individual citizens and small businesses will be taxed up the wazoo to pay for this, those who have private options will drop it for the artificially ‘cheaper’ public option of inferior, rationed care, and it’s a job killer.

But yeah, other than that it’s a fabulous plan.

Buy Danish on July 11, 2009 at 9:54 AM

FREE healthcare for 47 million Americans only costs $1 TRILLION to $3 TRILLION.

TN Mom on July 11, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Buy Danish on July 11, 2009 at 9:54 AM
TN Mom on July 11, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Both of you are awesome!

Keemo on July 11, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Rahm and Axelrod only seem to dispense AnninCa when their plans are in trouble. And then we are subjected to her smug self-important ridiculous analysis. Ann if you want to see how successful obamacare will be…just look at Masscare where it has been in place for several years now and what an awful mess it is.

red131 on July 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM

So how many years will it take for Obama to add more to the national debt then 8 years of Bush?

So far it would appear to be about 2.

18-1 on July 10, 2009 at 9:49 PM

By the end of this year the deficit will be at least
triple what it was at the end of Bush’s second term. So the answer to your question is less than one year.

eyedoc on July 11, 2009 at 9:34 PM

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