Lies Wide Shut

posted at 9:36 am on July 10, 2009 by Dafydd ab Hugh

On June 26th, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-TX, 82%), sent a letter to ranking Republican member Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI, 88%); Reyes claimed that two days earlier, in a classified briefing by CIA Director Leon Panetta (a hyper-partisan Democratic former House member), the director admitted the CIA routinely misled and even lied to Congress under George W. Bush:

Exactly what actions Panetta disclosed to the House Intelligence Committee on June 24 is unclear, but committee chairman Silvestre Reyes said that the CIA outright lied in one case.

“These notifications have led me to conclude that this committee has been misled, has not been provided full and complete notifications, and (in at least one case) was affirmatively lied to,” Reyes wrote in a letter Tuesday to Michigan Rep. Peter Hoekstra, the committee’s senior Republican. A copy of the letter was obtained by The Associated Press.

Reyes said in the letter that he is considering opening a full investigation.

(A CIA spokesman says Panetta denies saying any such thing in his briefing; see below)

Then yesterday, somebody on the committee or at CIA leaked a second letter (obtained by Politico), sent by seven other Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee, also to the director; in it, the seven echo Reyes’s claim: That Panetta testified that “top CIA officials” concealed CIA operations from Congress and “misled them over the span of last eight years.” (For the full text of this second letter, see the end of this post.)

But of course, all eight accusers coyly refuse to say exactly what the CIA is supposed to have misled them about; they just allow the nation to draw the “obvious,” but not necessarily accurate, conclusion.

Democrats are using this bit of fluff to prop up the wobbly Squeaker of the House, insinuating — with no lawful way to debunk it — that Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Haight-Ashbury, 100%) was truthful when she said the CIA “never told her” we had already waterboarded a terrorist detainee and planned to waterboard a couple more:

In the letter [from the seven], Democrats demanded that Panetta correct a statement he issued on May 15 — just after Pelosi accused the CIA of misleading her during the Bush years about the agency’s use of waterboarding techniques — stating that it is not the CIA’s “policy or practice to mislead Congress….”

Democrats refused to say today what exactly Panetta told the members during the June meeting, citing the need to keep sensitive intelligence information classified. But committee members said they were appalled to learn from Panetta that the CIA had been misled them over the span of last eight years….

Asked if the letter should silence debate about whether she was fair in her characterization that the CIA had misled about its use of waterboarding, Pelosi shot back, “I didn’t know there was any question about propriety.” [sic -- "propriety?"]

And here is another one of those remarkably convenient coincidences that seem to crop up with great frequency in the Pelosi Congress:

[Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ, 100%), one of the seven signers] said that the release of the letter [from the seven] was timed to coincide today with the start of debate on an intelligence reauthorization bill. Among those issues up for debate is whether the number of lawmakers briefed on the CIA’s actions should be expanded.

How amazing that the letter from the seven insinuators was sent nearly two weeks ago, but leaked only yesterday, just before the hearings… during which Republicans intend once again to demand that Speaker Pelosi either put up or shut up — that she either show some evidence to back her accusation that the CIA lied to her, or else retract her bizarre claim and apologize:

Reyes and other committee Democrats sent Hoekstra a letter saying that CIA Director Leon Panetta had acknowledged that senior CIA officials have misled lawmakers repeatedly since 2001. But a GOP spokesman has suggested that the letter was timed to deflect a controversy involving House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s knowledge of CIA interrogation techniques.

Hoekstra told CBS’ “The Early Show” on Thursday that it appears that Reyes is “working on the political equation.”

Meanwhile, Pelosi herself is busy ducking questions and pretending she had no knowledge of the leaked letters and didn’t orchestrate them to save her own shaky reputation and increasingly untenable tenure as Squeaker of the House:

It’s been almost two months since Pelosi claimed the CIA lied to her about what interrogation methods they’d used on detainees. That accusation prompted Panetta’s statement defending the agency.

Since then, the speaker has refused to take any more questions on the subject. While Pelosi took numerous questions today, she deflected most and left matters in the hands of the House Intelligence Committee….

[House Minority Leader John] Boehner [R-OH, 92%] renewed his call today for Pelosi to either “put up the facts or retract her statement and apologize” to the intelligence committee.

Nobody privy to the actual intelligence, not even Reyes and the seven dwarfs, has explicitly claimed that Panetta said the CIA lied about briefing Pelosi or anyone else on waterboarding; but neither can anyone explicitly dispute it without winding up in la calabooza. And for that matter, Panetta’s spokesman denies that Panetta said any such thing in the first place; from the Politico piece:

CIA spokesman George Little told the Washington Independent late Wednesday that the claim that Panetta admitted his agency has misled Congress is “completely wrong.” He added, “Director Panetta stands by his May 15 statement.”

The charge — that one of these supposed “misleadings” was whether Pelosi and other Democrats were briefed on waterboarding — is inuendo, based upon unavailable evidence that cannot be checked or validated in any way. It just hovers overhead as an a priori accusation: unverifiable, unrebuttable, irrefutable. Well, who can argue with that!

The Democrats get to wallow in triumphalism: See? We Democrats had no inkling we were torturing detainees; we surely would have stopped it if we knew; so don’t blame us, it’s all George Bush’s fault! And Republicans are stymied, since the only way to rebut the claim is to leak classified intelligence.

Meanwhile, the Democrats are using this alleged (and denied) “misleading” to demand that henceforth, the CIA must brief every member of both House and Senate Intelligence Committees on every CIA action; from the Washington Times piece:

House Republicans oppose at least one provision in the intelligence authorization bill, and they have an unusual ally: the White House.

Obama’s aides have said they will recommend he veto the bill if it includes a Democratic-written provision requiring the president to notify the intelligence committees in their entirety about covert CIA activities.

Under current law, the president is only obligated to notify the top Democratic and Republican leaders of the House and Senate and the senior Democratic and Republican members on each chamber’s intelligence committee.

Democrats want to open the briefings to all members of the House and Senate intelligence committees unless committee leaders agreed otherwise. That would be about 40 lawmakers, depending on shifting membership rosters, instead of the eight required by law.

They claim the Bush administration sought to undermine congressional oversight. However, the White House is concerned that briefing more lawmakers might compromise the most sensitive U.S. intelligence operations.

Gee, you think?

To demonstrate the insanity of this proposal — pushed by congressional Democrats and opposed by Republicans and President Barack H. Obama — all we need do is take a look at some of the Democrats on the two committees.

When Sen. John “Jay” Rockefeller (D-WV, 94%) was the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (he is still a member but no longer chairman), he was one of the leaders in abusing his intelligence access to perpetuate the “Bush lied, people died” meme; he repeatedly stated that no prewar intelligence supported the idea that Saddam Hussein had ongoing chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons programs — even though he himself had earlier stated the exact opposite, and despite a wealth of intelligence indicating exactly that, published in the committee’s own report on pre-war intelligence during Rockefeller tenure.

Rockefeller also agreed with a CBS interviewer’s question, on September 9th, 2006, that “the world would be better off today if the United States had never invaded Iraq — even if it means Saddam Hussein would still be running Iraq.”

Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA, 100%), Russell Feingold (D-WI, 100%), and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI, 90%), all current members of the Senate Intelligence Committee — Feinstein is the chairman — wrote a letter in July, 2007, demanding a “special prosecutor” be appointed to investigate then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for perjury… because of a trivial difference between Gonzales’ testimony and that of then-FBI Director Robert Mueller over the exact subject of a hospital-room discussion between Gonzales and former Attorney General John Ashcroft three years earlier.

Mueller, who was not present during the conversation itself, gained the impression afterwards that the discussion had been about the Terrorist Surveillance Program (TSP); but Gonzales testified to Congress three years later that it was about a different but similar surveillance program. And for that, four Democratic senators wanted to send Gonzales to federal prison — the three mentioned above, plus Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY, 100%).

To complete the humiliation, the very next day — July 29th, 2007 — the New York Times published a story revealing that the subject was not, in fact, the TSP… it was the “data mining” surveillance program. So Gonzales had been telling the truth all along, and it was Mueller who misunderstood which program was under discussion. None of the senators who had called for Gonzales to be jugged for perjury ever apologized, including the three who today sit on the Senate Intelligence Commmittee; they just quietly dropped their demand.

This bespeaks such unseriousness of purpose — at a time when the Iraq war was flagging, Gen. David Petraeus’ new counterinsurgency strategy was just starting, and more than ever we needed our government to show solidarity and steadfastness — that I question whether any of these three should even be allowed to serve on such a delicate and supposedly bipartisan committee as the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

Turning to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the current chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-CA, 82%), flunked an intelligence quiz just a month before he was slated to assume that position; the quiz included such tricky, unfair questions as whether al Qaeda is Sunni or Shiite. (Reyes’ answer: “They are probably both,” followed by “Predominantly — probably Shiite.”)

Note: The CNN site is a shambles; when you first go to the link, you may see nothing but black where the text should be. But I discovered that if you click inside the text area, then Select All, you should be able to see a ghostly image of the selected text. Thank goodness for the “multiple layers of editing” we find in the elite news media.

The next ranking Democrat on the committee is Rep. Alcee L. Hastings (FL, 100%)a former federal judge who was impeached and removed from office for accepting a $150,000 bribe, then perjuring himself when caught.

Yep, there’s a reliable, trustworthy, expert gaggle of folks that I’d love to see be constantly apprised of the most vital, ongoing, and heavily classified CIA operations. American’s national security would be vitally compromised if congressmen like Sen. Jay Rockefeller and Rep. Alcee Hastings weren’t allowed to fully exert their “oversight authority” over our primary intelligence-gathering agency.

Let the full committee in both houses see everything. Better yet, why not the entire Congress, all 435 of them? Why should we slight former vice chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, Sen. Patrick “Leaky” Leahy (D-VT, %) — who leaked an intelligence report, unclassified but still strictly confidential, to a CBS reporter, so compromising himself that he resigned from the committee?

Heck, as the Electronic Frontier Foundation keeps telling us, “Information wants to be free.”

Full text of the letter from the seven insinuators to the Director of the CIA, Leon Panetta

June 26, 2009

The Honorable Leon E. Panetta, Director
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, D.C. 20505

Dear Director Panetta,

You recall, no doubt, that on May 15, 2009, you stated the following in a letter to CIA employees:

“Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and values.”

Recently you testified that you have determined that top CIA officials have concealed significant actions from all Members of Congress, and misled Members for a number of years from 2001 to this week. This is similar to other deceptions of which we are aware from other recent periods.

In light of your testimony, we ask that you publicly correct your statement of May 15, 2009.

Sincerely,

/s/

Anna G. Eshoo
Rush D. Holt
Alcee L. Hastings
John F. Tierny
Mike Thompson
Janice D. Schakowsky
Adam Smith

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The foxes are guarding the fox house. I don’t think there are any hens left.

The Rogue Tomato on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

shawked

phatfawzi on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

It explains why the new acting commissioner was coincidentally promoted a few days before: he was their fall guy.

blammm on May 17, 2013 at 12:40 PM

This is NOT a good or decent person.

Jabberwock on May 17, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Is Miller a tax cheat also?

docflash on May 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Wait… If they staged it they knew the internal report and decided to damage control it…

That had to come from above and the one person who had the lost at stake said he didn’t know about it because the report wasn’t released yet…

Skywise on May 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

so if i get this right? the department that makes sure were all honest LIED? OK i get it. Just wanted to make sure.

phatfawzi on May 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

In an exchange with Republican representative Kevin Brady, Miller said, “I’m going to take exception to the concept of targeting, because it’s a loaded term,” and one that “describes something that didn’t exist here.”

“Targeting, Congressman Brady, is what right wing whackos like Sarah Palin does, with pictures of targets and all, and we didn’t use any pictures.”

TXUS on May 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Terp Mole on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Great reference. I’ll take it farther: Government has arranged to kidnap its own “wife”- and taxpayers are father-in-law Wade, who’s expected to come up with the ransom money.

Bat Chain Puller on May 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Horrible Customer Service

Bwahahahahahahaha

TAKE’n from a man’s labor … no different from slavery..

tooo bad them slave owners n da south didn’t practice “good customer service”

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

These people (liberals in charge) have no conscience. They believe government is the answer, and therefore only have to answer to themselves. It’s all a big party, complete with hats and hooters.

kirkill on May 17, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Man it is hard to not go on a profanity laced rant in these comments.

CycloneCDB on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Every American citizen should watch this hearing to see who will be in charge of their most personal medical information…!!!!!!!!!!!!

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

It’s a pipe dream, but Congress should reciprocate the contempt the IRS commissioner showed Congress today and completely defund the entire IRS organization! That would hopefully get their attention…

geojed on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Is the government throttling our comments here at HA…? Slow down…!

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Taxpayers aren’t the ‘customers’ of the IRS. They are the EMPLOYERS of the IRS.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 PM

This guy is really restoring my faith in big government!

/sarc

I can’t wait to find out what “bad customer service” looks like under ObamaCare.

gwelf on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

So your faking this from top to bottom, and we’re supposed to trust you to be completely honest and forthright from now on?

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Can’t wait.

Who’s The Racist? The Most Racist Countries In The World And The Answers Will Surprise Only The Race-Mongers

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Is everyone testifying about the IRS being put under oath?

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

What does that say about IRS leadership’s honesty and credibility?

WHAT ‘HONESTY’ AND ‘CREDIBILITY’?

GarandFan on May 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Rep Mike Kelly just finished up…..the gallery erupted in applause.

CoffeeLover on May 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

No retirement – jail. No pension, no healthcare plan, just fines and imprisonment. For a *shitload* of IRS people, damnit.

Midas on May 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Miller’s big concern? Customer service.

Democrats’ solution: We should outsource this to phone operators in Mexico. And any phone operator and every remote family member can have U.S. citizenship.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM

In a just world this guy would be led from the hearing in handcuffs…

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM

The House GOP, if they had any balls at all (yeah, I know) need to do a few things immediately.

Voting to repeal ObamaCare is fun and all, but we know it goes nowhere in the Senate (at least for now).

DEFUND it. Starve the beast.

And we’d better start having some serious discussions about a total revamping of the tax code- eliminate the income tax, and start de-funding the IRS while you’re at it.

Enough already.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on May 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM

No retirement – jail. No pension, no healthcare plan, just fines and imprisonment. For a *shitload* of IRS people, damnit.

Midas on May 17, 2013 at 12:53 PM

This.

Let’s see how many of them howl and scream their way to the top of the problem when faced with real punishment.

VibrioCocci on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM

The Conservative customer is always WRONG …

- IRS motto

ShainS on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM

The Tea Party weren’t “Targeted”.

They were just zeroed in on for IRS harassment.

portlandon on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I don’t know if it’s the fact that I grew up hearing stories from my grandparents about the communist Russia that they escaped as German Russians, but today’s hearings brought tears to my eyes. I can’t believe this is my country and the country my grandparents were so proud to become citizens of and my father fought for in WWII. Please, someone tell me we can be saved.

lea on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Even though it’s risible in the context, I’d give the IRS Commish a break on “horrible customer service.” Given the nature of all large organizations — with their mission statements and accompanying objectives to service “customers” and other stakeholders — that’s much how IRS leadership undoubtedly sees it.

But sadly, it just shows how out of touch managers in large organizations can be.

bobs1196 on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

yeah, but what a fire it was!

I think sesquapredictable mentioned something about being out of pickled baby’s feet.

kirkill on May 17, 2013 at 1:00 PM

These poor IRS people are just doing the jobs that “normal” Americans won’t do.

kirkill on May 17, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Not mentioned here is this is the fellow Hillary brought in to arrange for the IRS audits of the Clinton women and enemies. Remember? And here he was, back at the IRS and that did not raise suspicion?

pat on May 17, 2013 at 1:05 PM

This charlatan was promised his great pension, and all the bennies, in exchange for all the lies.

How does any sane person believe a single word from these thugs?

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.
 
Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

 
I missed that one. I remember something about shrubbery and reading up on Korean pickled cabbages, though.

rogerb on May 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

>>Customer service

Please don’t taze audit me bro

bbordwell on May 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

“I want to give unelected bureaucrats like Steve Miller more power and more authority over my life, and especially my children’s lives! Big Government FTW!” -Average Dem voter

visions on May 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I’d have to check my notes – Miller

You have notes on that?

Ummm…No – Miller

You just said you have notes on that meeting…Now you’re saying you don’t have notes?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:08 PM

On a sidenote, except for a few brief appearances by libfree to yap about a black church being burned down in 1802, this week has been low-troll. Curious.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

1. In re-ed

2. Intoxicated from all the crap

3. Working harder…’cause sugah daddy’s in trouble

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Please detail the contents of your prayers – IRS

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Carnac the magnificent holds the envelope to his head.

“How did the man working on his rain gutter fall down?”

Could be the latter…

selderane on May 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

The Rogue Tomato on May 17, 2013 at 1:11 PM

The Conservative customer is always WRONG …

- IRS motto

ShainS on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM

It’s Rush Limbaugh’s Fault

Democratic Caucus & Il Duce’s motto

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM

It’s mealy-mouthed bureaucrats like this that make me wish I was serving on this committee. It would give me perverse pleasure to reduce this guy to tears with the worst dressing-down he’s ever gotten.

CurtZHP on May 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM

IRS…Your Shadow Government at Work

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Carnac the Magnificent holds the envelope to his head.

“When should Obama resign?”

NOW.

Chris of Rights on May 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

The Rogue Tomato on May 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM

PLEASE make Kelly’s statements and applause available, HA !
Didn’t record it, and hubby needs to see/hear it !!!

pambi on May 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Having dealt with the IRS about back taxes, I can affirm that it does indeed have horrible customer services. You will never get the same answer from different phone reps about the same question. You often get contradictory answers, in fact. But each time they’ll insist the current answer is Gospel truth.

I remember I had a payment agreement setup that I was running late on. “Submit payment by X date or the agreement will be canceled,” they said. Now, it costs over $100 to set one of those things up (don’t ask me why) so I really didn’t want to have to do it again. So I went online and submitted my payment before X date. However, it didn’t post to their system until after X date. They said the agreement was canceled.

“No,” I said, “As you can see I submitted the payment on time. There shouldn’t be a new agreement.”

“The system canceled your agreement, so you need a new one,” they replied.

“But I paid on time. I paid before the deadline. I shouldn’t have to do this.”

And on and on it went for weeks. Finally, they re-instituted the original agreement. But, my God… I almost feel bad for the people working there. It’s like critical thought has been beaten out of them. That or the IRS simply hires people who don’t think.

Could be the latter…

selderane on May 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

This is much worse than Watergate as potentially millions of voters were denied by the IRS the truth about this administration.

bucknut on May 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM

pat

at 1:05

Do you have where you got the info that Miller did a audits of Clinton women for Hillbeast.

If so there is a possible this is the Clintons depth charge they let go on Obama, after they figured Obama was going to blame her for Benzazie…..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

So…ummm…

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-irs-deliberately-chose-not-fess-scandal-election_724711.html

I’m going to say it again. Shut. It. Down.

NOW.

Chris of Rights on May 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

The concept that citizens are the “customers” of the IRS is strange. The IRS is not a business with customers.

Is there any business in the private sector that could jail you and seize your private property for not using their services and giving them money?

visions on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

When Obama prances around the country shouting to businesses…You didn’t build that…

It’s not so strange.

Miller and likely most of the IRS crew are leftists.

The Dept. of Treasury has their own Union…and they contribute mostly to the DNC and democrats…

In 2012 Union membership gave $1,000 to republicans and over $100,000 to democrats.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

“Fundamentally change America”…we’re going to have to take apart this government one Fascist/Socialist/Commie at at time.
It will take years to overcome the effect Dear Leader has had on our country and its media.

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Please, someone tell me we can be saved.

lea on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Yes, but it requires speaking out when you least want to and be willing to endure the consequences of speaking out.

darwin on May 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

I sense Jarrett’s fingerprints in this mess. Lerner has to go, and Sarch Hall Ingram needs to be re-assigned or fired. Will not stand letting her oversee the Obamacare agenda. Cannot be trusted.

Amazingoly on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Well the IRS just ought to update their phone system to do the following:

If you are a member of a conservative group, Press 1.

If you are a associated with a Jewish group, Press 2.

If you plan to protest Planned Parenthood, Press 3.

If you plan to oppose Green Energy, Press 4.

If you plan to protest Obamacare, Press 5.

And the recording upon pressing those options simply ought to state, you are now being transferred to Homeland Security. I mean the IRS leaders talk about poor customer service and the reason they targeted conservative groups was to be more efficient. I mean, lets provide some solutions here and cut out the middle man. /

rsherwd65 on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

The concept that citizens are the “customers” of the IRS is strange. The IRS is not a business with customers.

Is there any business in the private sector that could jail you and seize your private property for not using their services and giving them money?

visions on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Is Congress permitted to Waterboard witnesses to get a truthful answer to the question asked?

meci on May 17, 2013 at 1:20 PM

A customer is someone who voluntarily comes to you for a mutual exchange of good or valuable consideration. The IRS seizes property at the point of a gun. I’m not your damn customer, pal, and I want you to be a federal prisoner.

RadClown on May 17, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Really, the “customer service” term says all you need to know.

We really and truly have lost the concept of government of and by the people. I totally agree with shutting it down. This is insane.

ORconservative on May 17, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Time for decimination of the IRS (yes, in the military sense)

One out of ten employees from the division are fired at random. Only those that come clean will be spared.

blammm on May 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM

You want to know how deeply the IRS lies? They send people to prison who figure out that filing tax returns are completely voluntary according to Treasury Department regulations and the IRS Manual. In fact, the IRS does more than lie. They ruin honest peoples’ lives. THAT’s what they do. The good news: if you know how to fight ‘em, they back off. Trust me.

HiJack on May 17, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Acting IRS commissioner Steven Miller took issue with the use of the word “targeting” as it relates to the IRS’s singling out of Tea Party and other conservative groups, calling it a “loaded term.”

Like when Sarah Palin talked about some House Democrats “targeted” for defeat.

But unlike Sarah Palin, whose political opinions are well-known, the IRS is supposed to be a politically neutral agency which collects taxes according to the laws voted by Congress.

Since the Tea Party, Patriot, and other conservative groups supported Republicans over Democrats, weren’t they “targeted” in the Sarah Palin sense?

IRS Commissioner at hearing: “We provided horrible customer service here. I will admit that. Horrible customer service.”

Customer service? A customer is a person who buys something of value from a seller. What has the IRS ever sold to us for our taxes? If the IRS wasn’t a government agency with the power to collect taxes, no one would buy anything from the IRS!!!

This is not “horrible customer service”. This is coercive use of government power for political purposes.

Exit question for Steven Miller: Who told you and the IRS to do this?

Steve Z on May 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM

OK,

So, this Miller was the goong the Clintons sent to audit Judical Watch back in the 1980′s.

So, I smell revenge on Obama on this by the Clintons.

If true, this would be huge imnsho.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Gotta wonder: was Jim Crow just a matter of horrible customer service?

matt curtis on May 17, 2013 at 1:33 PM

dictatorship
secret police
state controlled media
and more

who the hell will stand up for The United States?

losarkos on May 17, 2013 at 1:34 PM

What a day for HA to be broken…

d1carter on May 17, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Is it still America?

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Washington Examiner May 14, 2013 by Paul Bedard

Deja vu: IRS boss of Tea Party probes targeted anti-Clinton groups in 1990′s..

connections

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 1:38 PM

The concept that citizens are the “customers” of the IRS is strange. The IRS is not a business with customers.

Is there any business in the private sector that could jail you and seize your private property for not using their services and giving them money?

visions on May 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM

This is the Orwellian Newspeak of the Obama Administration. Like taxpayer subsidies to the Solyndras and Fisker Karmas of the world are “investments” in clean, green energy. With a rate of return of negative 100%.

If we the “customers” of the IRS are the coerced “investors” in Solyndra et al. and Obama’s wonderful windmills and choo-choo trains, WE DEMAND OUR DIVIDENDS!!! NOW!!!

Steve Z on May 17, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Is it still America?

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM

I guess it depends on our definition of “America”, but as far as I’m concerned it hasn’t been America for a long…long…time.

HiJack on May 17, 2013 at 1:43 PM

So who was the plant at the ABA conference, that asked Lerner about targeting certain groups?

Was this a member of the media – willing to play along? Or some political hack, that just slipped in to ask the question?

Hill60 on May 17, 2013 at 1:50 PM

I don’t know if it’s the fact that I grew up hearing stories from my grandparents about the communist Russia that they escaped as German Russians, but today’s hearings brought tears to my eyes. I can’t believe this is my country and the country my grandparents were so proud to become citizens of and my father fought for in WWII. Please, someone tell me we can be saved.

lea on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 PM

This might sound familiar to you: Back in the USSR

What we have now discovered about Barack Obama and Eric Holder’s America, if we didn’t already know it, is that any belief in a benign and decent government in this country is absolute horseshit. Liberalism has been revealed as a fascist joke.

slickwillie2001 on May 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-boss-of-tea-party-probes-targeted-anti-clinton-group-in-1990s/article/2529533

I asked FNC to check it out since the hearning didn’t address it.

amr on May 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Lighter moment???!!! Yous gotta be kidding me. False analogy.

CUSTOMERS, in this case, do not have a choice of not patronizing their provided service.

Sir Napsalot on May 17, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I’ve been a government employee before. This is a failure of management. Rank-and-file IRS agents know exactly what they’re supposed to do and not supposed to do. They would not have done this without directives, I don’t care what the numbers say about party affiliation. This rot goes deep.

alwaysfiredup on May 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM

NYT: Official Says Treasury Dept. Knew of I.R.S. Inquiry in 2012

The Treasury Department’s inspector general told senior Treasury officials in June 2012 he was investigating allegations that the Internal Revenue Service had targeted conservative groups, disclosing for the first time on Friday that Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Every time I see a photo of Steve Miller I always think about this episode form the Three Stooges (hint: tarantula)

OxyCon on May 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM

You know who else had bad customer service?

Kermit Gosnell.

myiq2xu on May 17, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Tea Party

Just thought I would use fowl words on the internet….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM

More “horrible customer service” from Democrats.

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on May 18, 2013 at 1:10 AM