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Blake on July 8, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Kind of figured by the comment. California Nurses Association is pretty typical, SEIU is big and pushing more into healthcare, as are others.

Lots of non-union nurses seem to be more reasonable, IMO.

cs89 on July 8, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Where do we look to, “Look for the union label”, on a California nurse?

Kind of figured by the comment. California Nurses Association is pretty typical, SEIU is big and pushing more into healthcare, as are others.

Lots of non-union nurses seem to be more reasonable, IMO.

Not if they start paying attention now. If they do, they can stop ObamaCare in its tracks by calling their elected representatives and promising to replace them if they support this. It’s really not rocket science at all.

by Ed Morrissey

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Former President Carter initiated the Dept of Education on October 17, 1979. For almost forty years of the Dept. of Education & public schools have been dumbing down our society. Now, what would it take for a sudden intuitive leap of understanding (not that kind of catholic epiphany Ed) for the American population to grasp the short and long term effects? I would be very surprise to say the least. Face it Ed, Obamacare is rocket science to them.
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They have been indoctrinated by a host of things [i.e.] 1) The socialistic point of view by the public school systems. 2) Parental absentia or less quality alone time with the kids. 3) Their collective apathy towards politics itself is out of wack if not dangerous.
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Unless there is a collective come to Jesus moment out there in our America with a majority of them paying specific attention to the ramifications of this Obamacare disaster, we are totally screwed. Ed, our society has a very short attention span. You know it and I know it. I’m not giving up here at all, although it seems so. It is just the facts of life that now thrive here in America. Will we have to wait until it can be repealed? Can something like this be repealed? Who knows?

That’s going to be entirely outlawed?

Except it won’t be outlawed for government workers who will be able to have their own insurance plan to see their own doctors and the government will not be interfering with that?

A second impact of low payments is that you reduce the number of providers, and make each provide carry a heavier patient load. That way, you have effective rationing in the form of long waits.

Clark1 on July 8, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Yep. You make it difficult to call in and make an appt. (Oh, we’re all filled up; call back at the beginning of next month. Oh,we don’t have this month’s schedule, so call back in a few days. Oh, we’re all filled up – call back next month.)

You make it even more difficult to get an appt with the type of specialist you need to ultimately see. Someone here from Canada said he had to make appts with 3 doctors before he could see a surgeon many months later to schedule surgery on a wrist injury. The delay caused him to lose 85% use of his wrist.

After getting an appt, you make the wait to see the doctor too long.

That’s how they ration care. And remember, this is not going to be forced on government workers. And nurses always get a head of any line because they have working relationships with the doctors.

Clark1 on July 8, 2009 at 4:43 PM

A third impact is providers leaving the profession in droves.

Why the hell would anyone want to go through the hell it takes to go through med school, take on the loan burden, only to make a slightly above income while working 70 hour weeks?

We already have a physician, nurse and pharmacist shortage and that’s at current reimbursement rates. What will happen when reimbursement shrinks?

Do any of these idiot Democrats think of this? Are they even aware any of these problems exist?

And why are a bunch of failed lawyers reforming health care anyway? How about reforming our crappy legal system?

It is for the good of the State – for the good of us all.

Be it so ordered.

OhEssYouCowboys on July 8, 2009 at 4:16 PM

In other words, social justice, which is the change Obama believes in.

Unfortunately, he has no clue what the word “justice” means. To him, it means redistributing outcomes according to what the state deems “fair” at any given moment.

This wonderful bill will create a “black market” for health care where those that can afford the under-the-table medical care will get it.

IndyConserv on July 8, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Smart people are already establishing tiny neighborhood clinics. These are an excellent investment opportunity.

cs89 on July 8, 2009 at 4:31 PM

SEIU and the California Nurses Association are big RN unions. I just checked – they also support card check, the most dishonest legislation around.

1. By making payouts so low that doctors lose money on certain treatments or patients. That way, the gov’t says, “We cover X,” but in reality, no one will provide the service because it is a big money loser.

2. A second impact of low payments is that you reduce the number of providers, and make each provide carry a heavier patient load. That way, you have effective rationing in the form of long waits.