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posted at 10:00 pm on July 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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“There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club.”
Update: The man who made this statement, Valley Swim Club president John Duesler, has the same name as the man who ran the O-Positive Obama campaign blood drive in Philly before Barack Obama’s inauguration. That information comes from — of all places — Democratic Underground. It may or may not be the same John Duesler, but there’s only one person by that name listed in the phone book in the Philly area.
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He’s the sports guy. He’s very funny and kind, I’d hate to see him catch a bunch of flak for being silly. Goodnight, talk to y’all tomorrow.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:48 PM
How many Dr.John G Duesler JR’s can there ppossibly be in the Philly subs?
It is likely the same guy
clnurnberg on July 8, 2009 at 11:49 PM
OK then… Well, it would appear that you are actually talking about class instead of race. That said, if these kids paid to come, why should they get kicked out?
Oh, and here’s a tip. Next time you see a black person, just stay on the other side of the road. We wouldn’t want you to catch their cooties.
Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Well, there’s this little valve on the side. Get your gauge out, take the cap off the valve and measure the pressure. If it’s too high, release pressure. If it’s too low, pump it up.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:49 PM
‘nite
Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Welcome to Obamerica.
TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Wasn’t there a black slave population in Mexico once, and after being freed the population dwindled to nothing while the black population in the U.S. multiplied. What happened to those former slaves did they just go home? Isn’t there ethnic cleansing of blacks by hispanics in S. Californ right now? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
DFCtomm on July 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM
You say this as if every race doesn’t pull the same crap. It swings both ways, but only certain groups have the thought police deciding when its a crime and when its not.
Rbastid on July 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Yes Lox. I work so many hours and by the time I get to comment here at night either the thread is all talked out ect..
I should check out the site and I am not saying that there isn’t a race issue here, but from my experience in what I did I see things not just black and white (no pun intended)
The statement about “complexion” was not good. I do not doubt that race issues are a problem but I also get tired of it constantly being used like it is a “major” crisis we all are facing. Unity? I have never seen so much divisiveness sense this administration. In my mind, race relations have been set back. As a conservative voter last year I was called a racist for the first time in my life. I suppose I look at things slightly different now.
I was a lifeguard and worked for the city. I saw somethings that were not to my liking. Not a race issue but it is not a day care after school problem. We had kids that could not swim and the liability was great. For a few dollars we were the daycare. I don’t prefer to go into it further.
bazil9 on July 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Ernesto, I don’t know your intentions, but you really need to get out more.
I have a lot of acquaintances from east coasts states that will often use the “N-word” and such. I don’t know what your point is about PA, but racism/classism can reside in the minds of all people.
Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Is it your experience that 15 year old daughters are routinely assaulted and gang-raped by the members of a Day Camp program, because I can’t seem to find a link anywhere.
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 11:53 PM
I don’t think those kids were planning on being in the pool that long…
JetBoy on July 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM
guntotinglibertarian on July 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM
One of my favorite movies…classic!
The Sheriff is a Near!
Liberty or Death on July 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM
.
That kind of talk is tiring.
Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM
So a leftist “news” paper does a hit piece accusing a pool club of racism..and it turns out that the pool owner is a major leftist himself?
LOL!
MaximusConfessor on July 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Dave is just pointing out that because it MIGHT happen, they should be kicked out. Following in Dave’s spirit, perhaps because he MIGHT break the terms of usage, he probably should be kicked out or HA.
Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 11:56 PM
I see…must be why groups of Asian kids are not to be trusted, they might suddenly attack Pearl Harbor.
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 11:57 PM
“True, true” ~Dave2.0
Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 11:58 PM
MaximusConfessor on July 8, 2009 at 11:54 PM
I would not say I ever agree with you- but you just made a funny.
bazil9 on July 8, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Can you catch cooties on line?
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Ask Dave. He seems to be the expert in all things black…
Upstater85 on July 9, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Depends on whether or not they can cross the computer/brain barrier.
clnurnberg on July 9, 2009 at 12:00 AM
Fees at the Valley Swim Club for weekday membership (Monday through Thursday) are $215 for one adult and $30 for each child.
Full-Time membership is $395 for the first adult and $110 for a second member, adult or child. Additional children are $55 each. There is also an application fee of $75.
First of all, I think the president of the club used a most unfortunate choice of words in his statement: “There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion… and the atmosphere of the club.” I truly want to believe he was referring to the family environment of the club and not the skin color of the campers.
However, if I paid that much money to take my kids to a pool, I might get a little upset to see an entire bus load of day campers, of ANY color, invading what I believed was a private, family oriented pool club. It’s the quantity (65 kids!), the noise level and possibly inadequate adult supervision that I would be concerned about.
I honestly hope the club changes their mind about allowing the day camp to swim there. Perhaps if they posted a notice,something like: Tuesdays from 10 AM to 2 PM “Camp Whatever” will be using the pool. It would give members the option to come on that day or not.
Barb Dwyer on July 9, 2009 at 12:05 AM
I’ve interacted with racists of many different races, ethnicities and nationalities. Sometimes, it’s simply ignorance. Sometimes, it’s real hostile bigotry. And sometimes, what is claimed to be racism is not racism at all.
If I had been supervising their pool and there was a behavior problem with some of the new children, I would have talked to them and their counselor. I would have names of those who were misbehaving. I would have descriptions of the behavior problem. I wouldn’t kick the whole group out after one visit without attempting to solve the problem. But they did. That and the images on their website is what gets me suspicious of racism.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Complexion
blatantblue on July 9, 2009 at 12:10 AM
For once, please try to stay on topic in this tread.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 12:13 AM
OK, time to call it a night.
Later.
Upstater85 on July 9, 2009 at 12:13 AM
my brain is broken. when i first read the headline about changing the complexion (the rest of the headline wasn’t there) i went the michael jackson route and figured the kids’ parents didn’t want the kids swimming and possibly bleaching their skin a paler color, which didn’t make any sense to me. note to self: read the entire article – t least the entire headline.
Blight on July 9, 2009 at 12:15 AM
I blame Ochimpy. He was supposed to heal the nation.
csdeven on July 9, 2009 at 12:17 AM
Typical liberals! They’ll proudly vote for a black President but won’t let their kids swim in the same pool with black kids. I’ll bet Duesler got dozens of angry phone calls from members demanding he revoke the deal with the day camp. And I’ll bet every one of them voted for Obama.
rockmom on July 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM
It may just be a question of numbers and staffing. I will wait until all the info is in before painting Dr Duesler, Obot that he is, a great big racist.
Nowhere on the site did I see a form for daycamp group registrations.
clnurnberg on July 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM
They should have thought of that before they took the money. After all, they took money from an organization, not a family. I’m sure the arrangements were acceptable to John before the kids arrived and the fears of “rape” or whatever other posters have put up here kicked in with his well-heeled customers.
Reminds me of the Johnathan Club here in LA. Lots of upper-crust judges and legislators were members, and then their (previous) membership criteria got out…
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, what is it?
unclesmrgol on July 9, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 12:10 AM
I hear you and appreciate your opinion. I have had some experiences that add to my opinion.
For the record, I have lived, traveled and worked around many different races, ethnic and nationalities. I am not ignorant and I try to look at things evenly.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 12:23 AM
If you don’t swim in their toilet, they should not pee in your swimming pool.
It’s all the pop psychology rage these days. What people tell others they see, what they tell themselves that they see and what they really see, are all different, of course, but few can see that.
Sigmund on July 9, 2009 at 12:25 AM
rockmom on July 9, 2009 at 12:20 AM
And that is the kicker. Good times, unity and love.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 12:26 AM
Spoken like a typical bigoted,narcissistic liberal.
Baxter Greene on July 9, 2009 at 12:30 AM
From a Philly article on the matter. 60 kids is a lot of kids, and if the club was not going to arrange a separate swim time, which is logical and what most clubs do to accomodate teams and camps, they should not have accepted the money.
clnurnberg on July 9, 2009 at 12:30 AM
I’ve not noticed any ignorance on your part, and appreciate your even temperament. It’s a good combination.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 12:31 AM
How many “kids” did the contract specify?
How big was the pool?
What were the ages and swimming abilities of the group.
What pool times were specified in the contract?
What was the conduct of the group?
Its been my experience at the local YMCA pool,that a tight pool schedule is an absolute necessity in order to accomodate the many different and competing needs of the members. Such as mom’s teaching tykes groups, elderly rehab groups, child swim instruction groups, etc etc…
Also, there are just so many lanes in a pool, and oftimes members go there at specific times to swim laps(each in a dedicated lap-swim lane). Free swim times for large groups, if not coordinated and planned carefully in advance, whatever the the groups complexion, can overwhelm even a large pool. Moreover the safety provided by the duty lifeguard/s may become inadequate when more swimmers are in the pool than they can manage or protect.
Beyond a possible poor choice of words by a manager, I suspect that there was a larger group than was anticipated by the staff, which strained the pools safety environment.
I think, this thread topic should of had one of AP’s Raw Steaks attached so that the feeding frenzy, could have been seen for what it was– just another premature ejaculation by the “holier than thou” contingent, and latina’s like earnesto.
NO HORSE PLAYING POOLSIDE!
by order of the management
“Let’s Roll”
On Watch on July 9, 2009 at 12:36 AM
And the camp has already found a new place where they will have the pool to themselves at the needed times. The Girard School has plenty of space.
No, this doesn’t absolve Valley of dumb decision making and I’m sure they will abandon the practice of accepting large camp groups in the future.
clnurnberg on July 9, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Here’s an allegation from one of the black kids’ parents:
When the minority children got in the pool all of the Caucasian children immediately exited the pool,” Horace Gibson, parent of a day camp child, wrote in an email. “The pool attendants came and told the black children that they did not allow minorities in the club and needed the children to leave immediately.”
Now that is just obvious BS. No one in their right mind would make such a statement in 2009. Especially Philadelphia: the city is 60% black, so it’s not like “minorities” are an exotic variant.
My reading: black kids were so loud and rowdy that they were ejected and of course that immediately becomes race issue.
guntotinglibertarian on July 9, 2009 at 12:41 AM
A father said
to his young double-seeing son,
“Don’t be misled:
You see two where there’s only one.”
His son replied, “It’s quite clear
that what you claim cannot be true,
or then four moons would appear
where there are surely only two.”
— Based on a story told by Idries Shah
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 12:31 AM
I heart you Lox. :)
Racial discussions and religion I stay away from. Rarely do I find we can have an open honest discussion and people explode.
I see that you said earlier you would have a talk with those misbehaving. Should it be a race or specific class, they bury it. People are so afraid to be called racist ect.. so in my mind it creates an on going issue. Everyone tip toes around anything that could create a backlash.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 12:46 AM
The thread is looking dead. Did I help kill it? Nah…we (or most of us have to work in the AM)
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 12:49 AM
I have not read many of the comments, so maybe it has already been covered, but does anyone know for sure what meaning of “complexion” the guy was using?
There is the “color, texture, and general appearance of the skin, esp. of the face” usage, which would presumably mean race, but also there is the “general appearance or nature; character; aspect” usage.
If what he had in mind was the “general appearance or nature; character; aspect” usage, which would not necessarily mean race at all, maybe just too many yelling, and maybe rowdy, kids, then I think that many here may have “the rope around his neck” a “little” too fast and a “little” too tight.
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM
The Camp paid $1900 for a pool membership (which is the price of a single family membership) and thinks they can bring 50 to 60 kid every day to swim?
This isn’t about race….it is about a Day Camp trying to cheat a Swim Club.
But a bad choice of words there.
Kasper Hauser on July 9, 2009 at 12:53 AM
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM
I am half Greek. My family that is 100% is very dark olive complected skin. Darker then some AA’s at times.
However, I say that is a stretch. They were black and he made the statement. I have played devils advocate here and see another side but that was a very poor statement-period.
That did not address the issue but did smack of racism. Not what we need now or ever. Feeds the fire they are burning.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 12:57 AM
Kasper Hauser on July 9, 2009 at 12:53 AM
Well said.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 12:58 AM
Lox? Did ya leave me? :(
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM
My observations on pools and pool behavior:
1)Never go to the pool before 3pm. Day Camps overcrowd the pools. If they have a 1;10 ratio of campers to children consider yourself lucky.
2)Pools that have concessions stands tucked into a corner of the pool area are more likely used for Romeo and Juliet moments than for eating food.
3) You will not only find hair, leaves etc at pool but if you look closely – condoms
4)Lifeguards only blow whistles for dunking, or innocent horsing around. They are never blown for a boy walking behind his girlfriend (of the day) holding her breasts that are popping out of a too big/small bikini. Whistles are never blown for skin to skin contact between a boy and girl from head to toy -even if they are under 13. When you ask they will tell you that they are not the hormone police, that they only whistle for “life-saving” situations.
5)Vulgar language only warrants a timeout if it is directed at a lifeguard.
6) I won’t even get into the bathroom cleanliness issues because none of them are clean.
7) Parents are not required to be there unless they are under 10.
8) Games where teens and preteens try to take off someone’s swimsuits are a regular visual.
This stuff happens the most between 12-4. After 4 more families start showing up and the the “unwatched” start leaving.
If any of this happened the first time these kids swam, or if they saw a drug deal (dealers like using kids) then I can understand the decision.
If it is just race then shame on the swim club president.
journeyintothewhirlwind on July 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM
You may be right. I don’t know. But I do know that, even if you are right, that won’t stop the verbal lynching.
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:01 AM
Somehow, I don’t buy this story. What happened to this new “era” of racial harmony Obama was supposed to bring with his election? Is it just me or do race relations seem worse now? I have had in my ancestry “discrimination.”My Grandmother came from Sweden in 1920 under conscription. She was forced to give my mother up for adoption because she could not afford both my aunt and my mother. Am I asking for reparations?I’ve had about all I can take when it comes to “discrimination.” Sorry for the rant.
sandee on July 9, 2009 at 1:01 AM
I have to agree. I mentioned up thread. I think it has been the identity politics and purposely pitting of people against each other. Race and class. I have seen it and it makes me sad/angry. I say we just went way backwards. If someone knows my conservative view points- for the first time I am racist, cold hearted and so many nice compliments. It pisses me off to be honest.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:08 AM
The DUmmies are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They will biatch and moan about other people being racist but if a black person looked at them cross-eyed, they’d turn into George Wallaces.
Speedwagon82 on July 9, 2009 at 1:08 AM
I know I have been trigger happy at times, but unless it’s blatant, I prefer using at least a “three strikes” rule for bigotry, and it’s even better to have a longer pattern of behavior to observe. So, I confess I amy have judged too quickly here. But it just feels wrong to me.
Discussion is always good. Yelling can get tiring or disturbing. Threats and charges can get scary.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Again, I have not read most of the comments, and just scanned the main story (mainly because I do not find these kind of stories very interesting, nor very relevant to the “greater scheme of things), so maybe I am missing some things here, but I would want to hear from the guy who said “complexion” and what he has to say, before hanging him. I recall a city council meeting someplace where some guy said something about paperwork going into a “Black Hole” in some government bureaucracy and “suddenly” it was all about race.
Since “complexion” was used along with “atmosphere” it sounds to me like it could have just referred to a lot of rowdy and screaming kids, not necessarily racism, so I am not ready to hang the guy yet.
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:12 AM
No. I won’t leave you without saying goodnight. But, sometimes you make me think. So, please stop doing that. Then I can respond more quickly.
I’d like a spanakopita, please.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:15 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM
In code..I defended you recently. I was very upset but let it go. I didn’t want to but didn’t think it would help but add gas to a burning fire.
I told you I heart you- your the best Mr Lox. I love your humor, respect for others and rational reasoning.
It is difficult to always convey what your thinking or feeling in a few sentences on the thread. It can be misinterpreted. So your 3 strikes rule I understand.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:12 AM
I just took an unpopular opinion ..maybe on the thread. You didn’t read all the comments, neither did I. I was not bashing you.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Verdict first, evidence later. Off with his head!!!
Cheshire Cat on July 9, 2009 at 1:20 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:15 AM
I make Mr Lox think? lol that is a compliment!
spanakopita…it is good but my family has taught me to make so many recipes. Are you up for grilled octopus?
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:22 AM
I could not very well convict you of bashing me with insufficient evidence of it any more than I could convict the “complexion” pool guy of racism with insufficeinet evidence of it, so your safe.
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Whew..then I am safe from a law suit ;)
I was just stating my opinion earlier. I was a life guard, a varsity state swimmer, volunteered for teaching children swimming lessons and worked for the city public pool system. I kept it in mind when reading the post. But my opinion is just my opinion. Nothing will change because I gave it- limited of course. :)
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:30 AM
If you wish, I will give a mutual friend permission to share my contact info with you. But if not, that’s okay.
Sometimes, I can’t figure out whether I’m being helpful or not. Sometimes, I can’t even figure out what’s happening here. Of course, I’m hardly rooted in the reality of human culture, so…
It can be difficult to understand people here at times, because people have widely different backgrounds and intentions, but only post a few sentences here and there. And then, some people here have wicked senses of humor, that might pass as being serious. And of course, some enjoy chumming now and then to see if it lures any fish to the top of the barrel.
Hitler!
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:31 AM
When I go swimming (laps) I go during adult times, which are limited, as it is not such a helter skelter navigation/obstacle course and also as my ears do not like all the yelling that a lot of kids do. Adults tend to not be nearly as loud.
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:36 AM
And all of this happened at a private club, in the City [&@#^!%#* (Punch!) $#!&!^#%$ (Kick!)@*^$%!@*%$] of Brotherly Love.
newton on July 9, 2009 at 1:36 AM
Only muslim-sponsored events in foreign countries, such as Obama’s “Yes we koran” speech in Egypt, are worthy of our tax dollars now.
Ronnie on July 9, 2009 at 1:36 AM
It’s not that big a compliment. I didn’t say you make me think rationally. Try. I dare you.
Not on my witness stand, your honor. How about baklava?
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:37 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:31 AM
LOL- Lox I work with the public, I can hardly understand what everyone is doing or what the heck is happening.
I do truly enjoy you. For me you are refreshing.
If you speak of BB with your info, he has mine as well. I am not brilliant my friend,(sorry I am not McCain) just speak on my own experiences and encounters in my everyday life.
I only really got into politics this last year and appreciate different opinions and points of view.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:40 AM
You’re nothing but a pack of race cards!
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:42 AM
You are probably better off that way. It’s more Drang than Strurm anyway.
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:43 AM
LOL- touche pussy cat.
Okay- no octopus. Sorry I don’t make baklava or care for it really (omg a Greek tragedy) My family is from the islands, seafood is a big deal.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:44 AM
I’d give it a day before we see Al Sharpton cannonballing in the Valley Swim Club.
karlant on July 9, 2009 at 1:45 AM
I can’t explain myself, I’m afraid, Sir, because I’m not myself you see.
Cheshire Cat on July 9, 2009 at 1:46 AM
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:36 AM
I understand. I am in my 30’s but I get what your saying.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:46 AM
Sometimes, I confess that I forget to drang my banjo.
Pluck!
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:47 AM
I am not afraid to sound stupid…what is Drang and Strurm?
I know google is my friend.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:48 AM
karlant on July 9, 2009 at 1:45 AM
I see it in my crystal ball…
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 1:49 AM
I suggest you begin at the beginning and go on till you come to the end: then stop. And as you go, try to avoid dotting your tees and crossing your eyes.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:53 AM
More or less, Drang is smoke, Sturm is fire. Again, more or less, in my context.
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:57 AM
Sturm und Drang = Storm and Stress. A style of literature and music. Goethe & Haydn, etc.
We elites through such terms around to repel cooties.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 1:58 AM
Maybe if I just read the directions then I will directly be directed in the right direction.
Cheshire Cat on July 9, 2009 at 1:59 AM
Not a problem solver. A problem creator or a problem exploiter.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:00 AM
KentAllard on July 9, 2009 at 1:57 AM
Thx- I get it now.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 2:00 AM
Mr Lox, if I may..what state are you in (okay I know your sense of humor-I do not mean mental state lol) or at least what area in the country?
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 2:03 AM
You clueless Yankees seem to be all thinking about pretty small issues these days when your Boy Blunder just gave away your country store to me.
PootyPoot on July 9, 2009 at 2:04 AM
If you read long enough, you’re sure to get somewhere. But please remember, the world of books is flat. So don’t fall off the edge.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:07 AM
If everybody minded their own business, the world would go around a great deal faster than it does.
Cheshire Cat on July 9, 2009 at 2:09 AM
We elites through such terms around = We elites throw such terms around
Preview is not my friend when I’m have difficulty with both perception, thinking, judgment, spamming and greller.
I’m slightly dylsexic too.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:12 AM
Cheshire Cat on July 9, 2009 at 2:09 AM
heh
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 2:12 AM
Where the liberals are a dime a dozen and still overpriced.
The Northeast.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:13 AM
Every once in a while, I need a break from Sturm und Drang.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:18 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:13 AM
Sorry Mr Lox. I am in Fl and I can hardly take it. I have been to the North East, beautiful in places but the people are.. well ya know.
I guess I cant deliver some Greek specialties to you.
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 2:23 AM
Sorry. Had to shut down & restart my browser because I started a humongous music file. One moment, please.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:29 AM
What’s wrong with Florida?
Prior to becoming a hermit, I simply stopped discussing anything political. It is awkward, but can be done. Also, it’s amazing how friendly people can be if you smile a lot, ask questions, and act like an idiot.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:32 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:29 AM
I gotta hit the hay soon, but I will wait for you. No problemo. This is the bazil Lox thread now..unless anyone wants to break in?
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 2:32 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:32 AM
What is wrong with Fl?…lots. I predict it is California about 20 years ago. I was born in Cali and raised there half my life, so I am not just guessing.
Yes, i work in the health care industry..I just smile and nod and keep my political opinions to myself. I may rupture one day :)
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 2:36 AM
A warning, though, before anyone breaks in. We are armed and dangerous.
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:36 AM
Loxodonta on July 9, 2009 at 2:36 AM
lol- yes! I am tired but still frisky! Beware
bazil9 on July 9, 2009 at 2:37 AM
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