Quote of the Day
posted at 10:00 pm on July 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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“There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club.”
Update: The man who made this statement, Valley Swim Club president John Duesler, has the same name as the man who ran the O-Positive Obama campaign blood drive in Philly before Barack Obama’s inauguration. That information comes from — of all places — Democratic Underground. It may or may not be the same John Duesler, but there’s only one person by that name listed in the phone book in the Philly area.
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Absolutely, a true example of bipartisanship. I know I would donate. I know someone’s going to come through of these kids. Maybe find someone who will give them a day a week exclusively. I know kids need to see the real world but this is too real and they are too young.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Walt Kowalski was one of the most admirable characters in any movie I’ve seen.
MadisonConservative on July 8, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Is there someplace where I can donate to help fix the caps lock on your keyboard?
amerpundit on July 8, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Pennsylvanians also like to have sexual relations with members of their family, including the dog. Well those Pennsylvanians who vote Democrat anyway.
Mr. Joe on July 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Is somebody looking for me?
Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Because it seemed awfully…uh…strident as a response to someone commenting about PA. I’m not for the ban in most cases so maybe a helpful reminder to dial it back will keep the guy from getting the boot.
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 10:59 PM
That’s what I’ve heard too.
Sporty1946 on July 8, 2009 at 10:59 PM
I’m waiting 48 hours on this one. Not a lot there except a profoundly poor word choice (which smells of classism even if accepted charitably). Maybe it’s sweeps time for Philly local news, which can dig pretty low.
While as a private club they have the legal right to discriminate, as a practical matter they couldn’t do so with contracts like the one it appears they made with the camp. (Nor, of course, is it right for them to do so. Wrong and illegal are not always the same.)
Allegedly other camps were also turned away, and there appears to be at least one non-white person in the pictures on the club’s web site, where no hint of racial restrictions appears amidst their membership and visitor information. Huntingdon Valley is a weird little town, but it is also a suburb right on the border of Philadelphia, so neither city kids nor blacks are a strange sight. It may be that, however inartfully expressed, and however poorly handled, this really is about nothing.
raybury on July 8, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Wow, I grew up right near this swim club and would not at all be surprised if the bleeding hearts have trouble practicing what they preach. Being a dem, Obama supporter, green environment support is all about image not substance. The locations of two of those blood donation centers are located in this area as well. I think Duesler is classic liberal hypocrite, doesn’t shock me at all.
msmveritas on July 8, 2009 at 11:00 PM
I don’t know how racism can be “fought” with racism. Never understood that.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Ernesto,
Piss off! You know damn well latinos in Mexico are some of the worst racist people on the planet. My brother, married to a Mexicana, tells me how they even have it down to shades of brown and how much indian blood you have in you. It’s sickening when this country is accused of being racist, when most of the rest of the world is 10 times worse.
Back to the cave troll, and wait patiently for the next Cuda thread.
Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Prime Directive demands that we not interfere with the natural evolution and eventual self-destruction of the left. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Ronnie on July 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Okay. Sorry. I’ll try to be less…uh…strident with you.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:02 PM
You know the area, it’s not that it would be an unusual site, it is that they moved out of the city to Huntingdon Valley for a reason. I grew up right near here, I definitely don’t think this is an over reach.
msmveritas on July 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM
ignorant blanket statements are not on my list of favorite things.
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Yes. If you brought your head and are charitable.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Now children wanting to swim in a pool in summer time has come to this…………..
……….. pathetic.
Come to Cali, kids………..
……… we might be broke, but at least you can swim in the ocean if you want.
Seven Percent Solution on July 8, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Good point.
Wait for it…
Here comes…
– The Pool Czar!!
J.E. Dyer on July 8, 2009 at 11:04 PM
First really good belly laugh of the day! Man they are coming later and later. Soon nothing but sorrow!
TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2009 at 11:05 PM
A: Be a bit more tact in your replies
B: Yes…some of my best friends hail from PA, it’s a great state.
JetBoy on July 8, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Mr. Joe on July 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM
you are probably the biggest racist out there..
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Seriously an unnecessary statement.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:06 PM
I have my head, don’t know about charitable. My 1 year old flat screen TV is toast. Company bankrupt, no parts available. Warranty….doesn’t exist.
But I will donate to the kids and a pool.
Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 11:07 PM
I’m waiting too. The statement is poorly worded (”complexion”???!?!?!!!) and the reporter’s account of the incident definitely paints it as racism. I don’t doubt it could happen, but I’m waiting for more information on this one before I get outraged.
conservative pilgrim on July 8, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Is getting banned on your list of favorite things, because flying off the handle on the language usage might get you just that. Admin can be quick to cancel someone.
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Keeping kids out of swimming pools in the Summer time seems criminal in itself.
Jeeze let the kids swim and work out the club membership details later.
FireBlogger on July 8, 2009 at 11:08 PM
I think Mr. Joe is stirring the pudding. I hope SHARPTOOTH, takes you advice and doesn’t take the bait.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Hmmmm…I will have to take the unpopular opinion here.
I would like to see additional info. I worked in high school as a lifeguard at a public pool for the city. I am tired of the race card and spin on everything constantly.
Yes, I see there was a contract and the statement. I do not trust the media and they zero in on anything to stoke the fire.
My reaction is primary due to my experience.
bazil9 on July 8, 2009 at 11:09 PM
JetBoy on July 8, 2009 at 11:05 PM
tinkle off you poop stain just was not aggressive enough…
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Yah he was great. I saw the movie three times on three different dates with three different women it was that good.
I also like the map on the wall of the building manager’s office of the Detroit area. All three dates I pointed to the map mentioning where my 6-year old son lived off 14-mile road.
Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 11:09 PM
This smells more like a class issue, rather than a race issue to me
Zetterson on July 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Yep. Outrage may turn out to be wasted if there are circumstances of which we are unaware. Let’s wait and get all the facts before buying another MSM story.
clnurnberg on July 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Dude??? That’s plain ugly. Where’s the boss?
Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Speaker Karen Bass is now issuing the IOU’s for the airfare. Then, these kids can spend their summer bouncing to California.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Control yourself dude. Have you lost your mind?
Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Well, I tried.
JetBoy on July 8, 2009 at 11:12 PM
** || ** Missed it by THAT much.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Don’t worry, people. These racists are rich Democrat racists. Its ok for them to racists – don’t you know – they’re Democrats and they voted for everyone’s favorite Marxist.
Sporty1946 on July 8, 2009 at 11:13 PM
God that is so funny. Good one.
By the way, I never checked but is there a Stimulus Czar?
It wouldn’t surprise me. I doubt any of those Czars are even legal.
Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Colorado. Philadelphia-born, though.
amerpundit on July 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM
As I said earlier, unless this is a truly HUGE pool, the addition of 60 extra kids all at one time must be planned for in advance with extra supervision. The pool may not be large enough to comfortably deal with this.
And membership details take care of providing guards and staff. It’s not free and undersupervised pools are not safe!
clnurnberg on July 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM
c’mon everybody, i didn’t like his ignorant statement…i could have said far worse…
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Fly away, little starling…Fly fly fly…
Fly fly fly…
JetBoy on July 8, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Hitler!
lorien1973 on July 8, 2009 at 11:16 PM
You’re a good kid.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:16 PM
What’s interesting is that you get libs like that back in the SF Bay Area too. Pro-environment, pro-abortion, spiked fence, not-in-my-backyard, Volvo-drivin libs, pro-gorilla rights, dogs are Weimerranners types who wouldn’t want any of those kids anywhere near their cushy rich communities.
Boy, when Barry O. completely implodes the country, I’ll know where I can lead my militia for plunder.
:)
Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Yes, Lovey. We’re not racists don’t you know. We give to the Negro College Fund every year. It’s a class thing. ‘Those’ people just don’t know how to act when they leave their own neighborhoods.
Sporty1946 on July 8, 2009 at 11:17 PM
I guess some people are just more volatile then others. He must really really like Pennsylvania a lot.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:17 PM
Yes, but this is a good time for an act of contrition.
You went a bit out of bounds; Bishop (amongst others) tried to coax you back in, gently.
Bishop is an established poster here, and is to be respected.
Do yourself a favor, take his advice.
Simmer, cool, then chill.
massrighty on July 8, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Maybe there were just too many black kids and they want to enforce a ratio consistent with the general population regardless of qualifications. In other words, they are trying to enforce a racial quota system, which would make this reverse reverse-racism—or racism cubed. /s
FloatingRock on July 8, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Tru dat.
JetBoy on July 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Simmer, cool, then chill.
massrighty on July 8, 2009 at 11:18 PM
ok, i hear ya..thanks.
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Philadelphia is one of, if not the most racist city in the NE US. I know because I grew up there and still visit friends and/or family at least twice a week. I moved south about 30 miles to Wilmington De. in 1985 and was amazed at how well all races got along here.
Bill Blizzard on July 8, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Yeah, the issue here really is the owner’s statement…about “the complexion”…not that simply the kids were denied a swim.
Although, as a lifetime swimmer, diver, and water rat, I would have been utterly disappointed if I were one of those kids.
JetBoy on July 8, 2009 at 11:21 PM
That’s probably true. Don’t pool laws specify the maximum number of people in the pool depending on the size?
I remember years ago reading a story in a paper (it was a long time ago) about a child who drowned and it was so crowded that nobody noticed the child struggling maybe because of that.
You have to keep one eye on your kid at all times at a younger age. Tougher when you have to watch more than one.
Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Wow, that could be a Bill in Congress. Very impressive.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Good point and very true.
bazil9 on July 8, 2009 at 11:23 PM
Look, it seems pretty obvious what happened here. 60 inner-city black kids show up at a private club dominated by affluent housewives and their kids and dominate the pool – being loud, rowdy, etc. The wealthy enlightened, “liberal” Obama-voting housewives are appaplectic. They go to the management and scream about paying lots of money to be members of a quite “private” club that now has 60 inner-city kids running wild while day-camp councellors try to coral them. They threaten the Management they will be dropping their memberships if the “problem” isn’t corrected immediately.
The President signed the deal because he assumed with his liberal Obama-voting membership, it wouldn’t be a problem. He was wrong. As payback for his disappointment in his members, he takes an intentional shot at them as racists.
Is anybody really surprised in the least? It’s as much about class as it is race but it is about race.
TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2009 at 11:23 PM
You’re welcome. This can be a really supportive place. Best advice for anyone here; learn to recognize the “Mentor types,” (who will help you,) and the “Playground Bullies” (who will cut you.)
Many good folks here.
massrighty on July 8, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Complexion be damned. The kids camp paid in advance for the use of the pool and facilities.I’d litigate the crap out of the owner/operator of the pool. Perhaps obtain it in an out of court settlement. Demand it if it went to trial.
coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Many pools arrange for special times for large private groups to swim in order to manage this effectively. They have to think of safety.
This guy’s statement was stupid, though, and I am thrilled that he is a big Obot
clnurnberg on July 8, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Take it in stride. I suffer by being from the state that elected Al Franken and so must occasionally defend the dwindling number of Minnesotans who don’t howl at trees and worship the memory of Wellstone.
Just remind yourself that, although your state elected Murtha, at least you’re not from Wisconsin (I’m talkin’ about you, Jeff).
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally.
.
/s
Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM
But wouldn’t they have thought of that when they wrote the contract and accepted the money? They would have had the specifics and probably hired extra life guards.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Why? Because Pennsylvania is a northern state? Lemme tell ya something. I grew up in Pennsylvania. I now live in Arkansas. I’d like to say this report about the kids getting kicked out of the pool surprises me, but sadly, it doesn’t. I observed a whole lot more racism living in Pennsylvania than I ever have in the South. Is it a generalization to say racism is commonplace in PA? I guess so (altho John Murtha seems to unfazed by the characterization), but so is the assumption that some states are more enlightened than others by virtue of their geography.
NoLeftTurn on July 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM
I wonder what Sonya Sotomayor would have to say about it….
I’m guessing she’d be against it. There’s only one kind of racism she supports.
FloatingRock on July 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Day Camp, for hose of you unfamiliar with it, is as its name implies. You get on a bus and go to different places each day for a good chunk of the Summer. In Boston the camps are run by non-profits like the Boys and Girl’s clubs and neighborhood houses. They fees are kept as low as possible with subsidies to encourage participation. The parents don’t go with the kids. In fact, most of the kids are from single parent homes and this is like daycare for older kids…
TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2009 at 11:27 PM
I don’t believe the story. I just don’t. I believe they weren’t welcomed but I don’t believe they were kicked out and told they were being kicked out because they have the wrong complexion (black).
CCRWM on July 8, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Allegedly the contract allowed the camp 90 minutes every monday. I assume it was a preset time. I would love to see all the details and see if both sides played by the prearranged rules.
clnurnberg on July 8, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Ain’t hard to figure out. I’ve been on both sides of the equation.
TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2009 at 11:27 PM
I am keeping my eye on Mr. Joe. It’s always the person who retaliates (sharptooth) that gets caught.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Sharptooth gets a root canal
blatantblue on July 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM
If they were quite rich black kids they may have been allowed to stay. Poor black kids? No way. Poor white kids? No way.
TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Who you calling ho’s?
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM
I’ve also seen the “race card” played many times in situations where it had no factor. That’s why I checked out the The Valley Swim Club website and looked at other news stories first, before commenting. I suppose there may be other reasons here, and more information would be helpful. There’s nothing wrong with reserving judgment.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM
massrighty on July 8, 2009 at 11:24 PM
thank yo both, i appreciate the advice…
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Huh? I.m missing something…
TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Actually, I was thinking reverse discrimination which is often race-based. I’ve seen a few victims of it and it really soured them.
ROCnPhilly on July 8, 2009 at 11:32 PM
“Day Camp, for hose of you”
I’ve been up all day nursing a sick 302 small block, so I’m a bit twitchy.
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Very cool.
JetBoy on July 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Sharptooth gets a root canal
blatantblue on July 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM
there’s more truth to that then you realize.
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:36 PM
OK… is this racist or just a slip of tongue?
http://gawker.com/5310208/brian-kilmeade-would-like-species-and-ethnics-to-remain-pure
Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Agreed.
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:36 PM
The Dems fight ‘racism’ with Racism everyday. They are experts at it. After all, they have been the home for racists for over 170 years. What do you think Multiculturalism is all about? It ain’t about everyone getting along and living in harmony. It’s about fomenting hatred against whitey.
Sporty1946 on July 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Another gem. Man, you people are on a roll tonight.
Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Time to call it a night. Let’s build a pool tomorrow!!!! Can you imagine the delicious rationalization going on right about now amongst the members of this club. Sorry we don’t get to hear it.
Good night everyone, sweet dreams. Hey, Hawkdriver, your obviously busy, we are thinking about you and looking forward to hearing from you. Take care.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Are you experiencing pain?
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Nighty to night to you too.
I’m off to finish my book.
Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Good Excuse to drop in a 350 (while you can still get them)
TheBigOldDog on July 8, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Are you experiencing pain?
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:40 PM
yeah, the ego kind…
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:41 PM
Are you experiencing pain?
Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 11:40 PM
but i’m back down on earth now.
SHARPTOOTH on July 8, 2009 at 11:42 PM
I saw that, the point (not very eloquently phrased) was that the study was done in a very homogeneous society and he wasn’t sure it would be applicable to the melting pot that is the U.S. Somebody is just looking to be offended.
Cindy Munford on July 8, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Well, I’m not sure this was so much of a stretch. If you didn’t understand the context, I think it would be offensive. That said, I don’t think he meant anything malicious. He just, well, didn’t do such a good job.
Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 11:45 PM
I doubt it’s the same John Duesler who shilled for Obama. THIS John Duesler seems to have a firm grip on reality, which would preclude him from stumping for O’Chimpy.
Look, you’re relaxing around a private pool in a civilized, dignified environment. All of a sudden you have 40-50 screaming, hyper-active “African-Americans” making a mad dash for all you hold sacred. Does this EVER happen in reverse? Not if you value your Caucasian life it doesn’t!
These parents have read the papers and watched the news. Should we wait unitl their 15-year old daughter is assaulted and gang-raped before we “protest too much”???
Let’s discuss racial reality before we bend over backward trying to tie this “pool guy” to Obama so we can just wash our hands of this.
David2.0 on July 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Right on. My best friend who lives in Newark, CA is from Philadelphia. He tells me stories and stuff about how really racist everybody is there. It’s worse there. It ain’t anywhere near that bad in Alabama where I lived and worked for over 5 years. The people in the south are nicer than Detroit, Philadelphia and the SF Bay Area. Just try to rent an apartment or room in a house from a 1st generation Chinese immigrant.
Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM
O/T but did anyone hear about the Pentagon denying a flyover request to the “God and Country” military rally in Idaho (for the first time in 42 year history of the event), apparently because of its religious associations?
Quote from the story.
Fallen Sparrow on July 8, 2009 at 11:47 PM
Idiom of the day: To err is human, to forgive divine.
Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 11:48 PM
But she is just so beautiful; tricked and tweaked and covered in aftermarket goodies…if only it would STAY RUNNING WITHOUT ME HOLDING THE $%&#@*&^#% CARBS OPEN…*swears and rants and stubs toe while kicking hoist*
Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 11:48 PM
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