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		<title>By: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Obama on Smart Grid: No longer about jobs &#124; Youth Political Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Air » Blog Archive » Obama on Smart Grid: No longer about jobs &#124; Youth Political Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MarkT</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/08/obama-on-smart-grid-no-longer-about-jobs/comment-page-2/#comment-2410179</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is &lt;strike&gt;jobs&lt;/strike&gt; pork...&lt;strike&gt;jobs&lt;/strike&gt; pork.  We need it, but we&#039;ll get the mangled half-baked bureaucratic version that panders to power companies and unions, not the version that delivers power efficiently across the nation, so that we can build the baseline power generation where the fuel is, essentially eliminating transportation costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is <strike>jobs</strike> pork&#8230;<strike>jobs</strike> pork.  We need it, but we&#8217;ll get the mangled half-baked bureaucratic version that panders to power companies and unions, not the version that delivers power efficiently across the nation, so that we can build the baseline power generation where the fuel is, essentially eliminating transportation costs.</p>
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		<title>By: J.E. Dyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.E. Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, oh, oh.  &quot;Smart Grid&quot; contains some of the provisions that will have the biggest impact on the average citizen.  This is NOT about giving us a more modern electrical grid to make our lives better and our economy more competitive.

It&#039;s about all kinds of things, but some of them include installing the remote-control thermostats in residential buildings, requiring &quot;utility providers&quot; to achieve absolute reductions in power and fuel usage across their customer base, and preparing homes and businesses to support electric vehicles.

Mandating that an increased percentage of electric power be generated by &quot;alternative&quot; methods -- but not, of course, nuclear power -- when combined with control of your thermostat and requirements for your power provider to demonstrate reductions in your electricity usage can lead to only one thing:  state dictation of how much electricity is available to you.  It won&#039;t end with your thermostat, either:  everything in your home or business that runs on electrical power will be controlled remotely via the Smart Grid.  The most likely regimen would be an average daily allocation that you&#039;d have to figure out how to stay within.

Don&#039;t fall for this, people.  There are a number of websites at which these provisions of Waxman-Markey have been parsed out.  It&#039;s all in there.  This bill is NOT about giving you a better power grid in a way advantageous to you.  It&#039;s about controlling your ability to exercise free market demand against that power grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, oh, oh.  &#8220;Smart Grid&#8221; contains some of the provisions that will have the biggest impact on the average citizen.  This is NOT about giving us a more modern electrical grid to make our lives better and our economy more competitive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about all kinds of things, but some of them include installing the remote-control thermostats in residential buildings, requiring &#8220;utility providers&#8221; to achieve absolute reductions in power and fuel usage across their customer base, and preparing homes and businesses to support electric vehicles.</p>
<p>Mandating that an increased percentage of electric power be generated by &#8220;alternative&#8221; methods &#8212; but not, of course, nuclear power &#8212; when combined with control of your thermostat and requirements for your power provider to demonstrate reductions in your electricity usage can lead to only one thing:  state dictation of how much electricity is available to you.  It won&#8217;t end with your thermostat, either:  everything in your home or business that runs on electrical power will be controlled remotely via the Smart Grid.  The most likely regimen would be an average daily allocation that you&#8217;d have to figure out how to stay within.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fall for this, people.  There are a number of websites at which these provisions of Waxman-Markey have been parsed out.  It&#8217;s all in there.  This bill is NOT about giving you a better power grid in a way advantageous to you.  It&#8217;s about controlling your ability to exercise free market demand against that power grid.</p>
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		<title>By: rockmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>rockmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when do the start writing the checks to GE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when do the start writing the checks to GE?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Unemployment has a four-letter cause: O-B-A-M-A.

Jim Treacher on July 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;
ROFL!&lt;/strong&gt;

That was a good one, Jim.

-Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Unemployment has a four-letter cause: O-B-A-M-A.</p>
<p>Jim Treacher on July 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM</p></blockquote>
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ROFL!</strong></p>
<p>That was a good one, Jim.</p>
<p>-Dave</p>
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		<title>By: taznar</title>
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		<dc:creator>taznar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the end of June, the Obama administration had realized that unemployment continued to rise despite all of the pork projects it had funded through Porkulus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Considering the unemployment rate is now higher than Obama&#039;s team had projected it would be without a stimulus, can we now say that unemployment has risen so much because of porkulus? 

Porkulus is like trying to treat a cancer patient with only pain medication. It may cover up the symptoms for a while, but it doesn&#039;t fix the problem. And every employer in the country knows it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the end of June, the Obama administration had realized that unemployment continued to rise despite all of the pork projects it had funded through Porkulus.</p></blockquote>
<p>Considering the unemployment rate is now higher than Obama&#8217;s team had projected it would be without a stimulus, can we now say that unemployment has risen so much because of porkulus? </p>
<p>Porkulus is like trying to treat a cancer patient with only pain medication. It may cover up the symptoms for a while, but it doesn&#8217;t fix the problem. And every employer in the country knows it.</p>
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		<title>By: RalphyBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>RalphyBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this part... Oil, and especially gasoline, are unmatched for a few key reasons:
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Availability
Portability
Energy Density
Safety
Price
Infrastructure
Ease of use by consumers
Adaptability
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Until something better at most of these and any important ones that I missed comes along, everything else will be second fiddle. The world uses &lt;strong&gt;85,000,000 barrels per day&lt;/strong&gt; for a reason.
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Most, if not all the renewable energy sources are storage dependant; they require storage capacity so peak production times can be used to buffer low/no production times. Also, to use in modes of transport, portable storage is kinda a must. 
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Wind and solar are fine examples of this. Storage is really the key for both of those. Safe, portable, adaptable, high energy density storage that is easy to use and low in price is what is needed to displace oil as king. After we have that, any energy source can be use to fill the storage container. (Gee... Energon Cubes... Awesome!)
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Oh... and one more thing, if it&#039;s batteries, lots of non-eco-friendly chemicals are needed... Lots (for you Prius drivers).
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I now return you to your regularly scheduled &quot;Biden is a Moron&quot; thread.
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Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this part&#8230; Oil, and especially gasoline, are unmatched for a few key reasons:<br />
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Availability<br />
Portability<br />
Energy Density<br />
Safety<br />
Price<br />
Infrastructure<br />
Ease of use by consumers<br />
Adaptability<br />
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Until something better at most of these and any important ones that I missed comes along, everything else will be second fiddle. The world uses <strong>85,000,000 barrels per day</strong> for a reason.<br />
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Most, if not all the renewable energy sources are storage dependant; they require storage capacity so peak production times can be used to buffer low/no production times. Also, to use in modes of transport, portable storage is kinda a must.<br />
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Wind and solar are fine examples of this. Storage is really the key for both of those. Safe, portable, adaptable, high energy density storage that is easy to use and low in price is what is needed to displace oil as king. After we have that, any energy source can be use to fill the storage container. (Gee&#8230; Energon Cubes&#8230; Awesome!)<br />
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Oh&#8230; and one more thing, if it&#8217;s batteries, lots of non-eco-friendly chemicals are needed&#8230; Lots (for you Prius drivers).<br />
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I now return you to your regularly scheduled &#8220;Biden is a Moron&#8221; thread.<br />
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Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Midas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...the Obama administration had realized that unemployment continued to rise &lt;strike&gt;despite&lt;/strike&gt; because of all of the pork projects it had funded through Porkulus.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fixed it.

Not only has it not helped job creation, it&#039;s caused job loss.  Businesses see what&#039;s going on, and the uncertainty surrounding the economy and this administrations taxation, spending, nationalization (past and future) have business owners cutting back, curtailing hiring, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;the Obama administration had realized that unemployment continued to rise <strike>despite</strike> because of all of the pork projects it had funded through Porkulus.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Fixed it.</p>
<p>Not only has it not helped job creation, it&#8217;s caused job loss.  Businesses see what&#8217;s going on, and the uncertainty surrounding the economy and this administrations taxation, spending, nationalization (past and future) have business owners cutting back, curtailing hiring, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: landlines</title>
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		<dc:creator>landlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait!!! I thought that Gas was an &lt;strong&gt;EVIL FOSSIL FUEL!!!&lt;/strong&gt;


...or has the Enviro-Wacko&#039;s story changed again???


PS - Isn&#039;t the &lt;strike&gt;US&lt;/strike&gt; Obamaniac government hell bent for preventing any domestic drilling for new supplies of &lt;em&gt;gas&lt;/em&gt;, as well as oil??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait!!! I thought that Gas was an <strong>EVIL FOSSIL FUEL!!!</strong></p>
<p>&#8230;or has the Enviro-Wacko&#8217;s story changed again???</p>
<p>PS &#8211; Isn&#8217;t the <strike>US</strike> Obamaniac government hell bent for preventing any domestic drilling for new supplies of <em>gas</em>, as well as oil??</p>
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		<title>By: petefrt</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/08/obama-on-smart-grid-no-longer-about-jobs/comment-page-2/#comment-2408583</link>
		<dc:creator>petefrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smart Grid will enable smart monitoring and smart control of your energy usage. That means &lt;em&gt;de facto&lt;/em&gt; rationing for non-essential uses, such as air conditioning or whatever gubmit bureaucrats decide is &#039;non-essential&#039;. It  means differential charges for power for peak versus non-peak times of day/week and seasons of the year. So maybe your power will cost $5/KWh  from 10:00 PM-6:00 AM in winter, but $10/KWh at night in summer (air conditioning), and $20/KWh in summer during normal daytime business hours.

Their Smart Grid will enable them to monitor your household thermostat (and eventually other appliances), so if they feel you&#039;re using too much heat in winter, or too much air in summer, they can levy a prohibitive surcharge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart Grid will enable smart monitoring and smart control of your energy usage. That means <em>de facto</em> rationing for non-essential uses, such as air conditioning or whatever gubmit bureaucrats decide is &#8216;non-essential&#8217;. It  means differential charges for power for peak versus non-peak times of day/week and seasons of the year. So maybe your power will cost $5/KWh  from 10:00 PM-6:00 AM in winter, but $10/KWh at night in summer (air conditioning), and $20/KWh in summer during normal daytime business hours.</p>
<p>Their Smart Grid will enable them to monitor your household thermostat (and eventually other appliances), so if they feel you&#8217;re using too much heat in winter, or too much air in summer, they can levy a prohibitive surcharge.</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romeo13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My mechanic worked for the local gas company and they have always had their fleet run on CNG.

barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, I&#039;ve got a 16 year old Nissan Pickup for a second car that I&#039;m thinking of converting... I only use it for local run around travel...

Just gotta figure out the cost benefit once I buy a compressor for the house...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My mechanic worked for the local gas company and they have always had their fleet run on CNG.</p>
<p>barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve got a 16 year old Nissan Pickup for a second car that I&#8217;m thinking of converting&#8230; I only use it for local run around travel&#8230;</p>
<p>Just gotta figure out the cost benefit once I buy a compressor for the house&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Coming Next: Apple Pie Inspections! &#171; Temple of Mut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coming Next: Apple Pie Inspections! &#171; Temple of Mut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Waxman-Markey Bill is being hailed by Congress in control of liberal Democrats as a jobs creatio.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: barnone</title>
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		<dc:creator>barnone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 5:29 PM
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I agree.  But I changed all my farm equipment over and I run off of high Pressure CNG.  (you need the compressor at home too.)  But every business with local delivery should convert their fleet.  How many local companies go more than 70/100 miles per day?  You don&#039;t NEED the fuel station if you have the plug at the business already.
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My mechanic worked for the local gas company and they have always had their fleet run on CNG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 5:29 PM<br />
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I agree.  But I changed all my farm equipment over and I run off of high Pressure CNG.  (you need the compressor at home too.)  But every business with local delivery should convert their fleet.  How many local companies go more than 70/100 miles per day?  You don&#8217;t NEED the fuel station if you have the plug at the business already.<br />
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My mechanic worked for the local gas company and they have always had their fleet run on CNG.</p>
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		<title>By: The Anchoress — A First Things Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Anchoress — A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Could hit 14%? Depressing chart here Obama/Biden/Pelosi&#8217;s &#8220;JOBS&#8221; fixation: Never mind&#8230; Obama&#8217;s/Congress&#8217; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Could hit 14%? Depressing chart here Obama/Biden/Pelosi&#8217;s &#8220;JOBS&#8221; fixation: Never mind&#8230; Obama&#8217;s/Congress&#8217; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romeo13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There is a $65k PER 18 Wheeler incentive to buy a new vehicle using CNG. The HOPE AND CHANGE will be that if people buy enough trucks, then the truck stops will start will start distributing CNG in greater quantity.

barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Problem is that they are doing it backwards.

They should use tax incentives to put in the PUMPS.  Because if there are not enough pumps nationwide, you CAN&#039;T buy the truck...

As usual, they try to do things backwards, which means it will not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is a $65k PER 18 Wheeler incentive to buy a new vehicle using CNG. The HOPE AND CHANGE will be that if people buy enough trucks, then the truck stops will start will start distributing CNG in greater quantity.</p>
<p>barnone on July 8, 2009 at 5:02 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Problem is that they are doing it backwards.</p>
<p>They should use tax incentives to put in the PUMPS.  Because if there are not enough pumps nationwide, you CAN&#8217;T buy the truck&#8230;</p>
<p>As usual, they try to do things backwards, which means it will not work.</p>
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		<title>By: econavenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>econavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
    Way too many Bob’s around here. 

What do you call a guy with no arms and not legs floating in the river?……..

Sorry. I couldn’t control myself

AverageJoe on July 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1196755/The-astonishing-story-man-born-arms-legs--world-famous-swimmer-surfer-footballer.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nick Vujicic&lt;/a&gt; is the new answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
    Way too many Bob’s around here. </p>
<p>What do you call a guy with no arms and not legs floating in the river?……..</p>
<p>Sorry. I couldn’t control myself</p>
<p>AverageJoe on July 8, 2009 at 5:13 PM</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1196755/The-astonishing-story-man-born-arms-legs--world-famous-swimmer-surfer-footballer.html" rel="nofollow">Nick Vujicic</a> is the new answer.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Honorable Max Baucus
The Honorable Chuck Grassley
Committee on Finance
United State Senate
Washington, DC 20510

RE: Alternative Fuel Mixture Tax Credit

Dear Senators Baucus and Grassley,

I make my living working for PAPER COMPANY in the forest products industry. I am extremely proud that our industry is the leading producer and user of renewable biomass energy in the nation. That&#039;s why I am concerned that you are considering disqualifying black liquor, a renewable biomass byproduct of the paper-making process, from eligibility for the alternative fuels mixture tax credit. Disqualifying black liquor from credit eligibility would threaten the health of our industry and jeopardize the good-paying &quot;green&quot; jobs it provides.

Black liquor is a renewable biomass fuel used by pulp mills to produce electricity and heat, thus making it possible for those facilities to generate approximately 66 percent of their energy needs onsite. Using black liquor for fuel avoids fossil fuel use and, unlike fossil fuel, black liquor is carbon neutral-thus providing exactly the kind of environmentally friendly energy that the alternative fuel mixture tax credit was designed to encourage. In fact, the energy we produce from biomass exceeds the total energy produced from solar, wind and geothermal power combined.

You need to preserve the eligibility of forest products facilities to receive this credit not only because of the industry&#039;s contribution to renewable energy production but also because good paying jobs, like mine, could be lost by this action. The economic downturn has caused a dramatic decline in demand for consumer goods, which in turn has caused an historic decline in demand for paper, packaging and building materials. The forest products industry has already lost 300,000 workers since 2006: a quarter of its workforce. When mills close, manufacturing jobs are lost, and the renewable energy they produce is lost, too.

I urge you not to revoke this important tax credit. By maintaining black liquor&#039;s eligibility, you are supporting renewable energy production and &quot;green&quot; manufacturing jobs.

Sincerely,

James


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Honorable Max Baucus<br />
The Honorable Chuck Grassley<br />
Committee on Finance<br />
United State Senate<br />
Washington, DC 20510</p>
<p>RE: Alternative Fuel Mixture Tax Credit</p>
<p>Dear Senators Baucus and Grassley,</p>
<p>I make my living working for PAPER COMPANY in the forest products industry. I am extremely proud that our industry is the leading producer and user of renewable biomass energy in the nation. That&#8217;s why I am concerned that you are considering disqualifying black liquor, a renewable biomass byproduct of the paper-making process, from eligibility for the alternative fuels mixture tax credit. Disqualifying black liquor from credit eligibility would threaten the health of our industry and jeopardize the good-paying &#8220;green&#8221; jobs it provides.</p>
<p>Black liquor is a renewable biomass fuel used by pulp mills to produce electricity and heat, thus making it possible for those facilities to generate approximately 66 percent of their energy needs onsite. Using black liquor for fuel avoids fossil fuel use and, unlike fossil fuel, black liquor is carbon neutral-thus providing exactly the kind of environmentally friendly energy that the alternative fuel mixture tax credit was designed to encourage. In fact, the energy we produce from biomass exceeds the total energy produced from solar, wind and geothermal power combined.</p>
<p>You need to preserve the eligibility of forest products facilities to receive this credit not only because of the industry&#8217;s contribution to renewable energy production but also because good paying jobs, like mine, could be lost by this action. The economic downturn has caused a dramatic decline in demand for consumer goods, which in turn has caused an historic decline in demand for paper, packaging and building materials. The forest products industry has already lost 300,000 workers since 2006: a quarter of its workforce. When mills close, manufacturing jobs are lost, and the renewable energy they produce is lost, too.</p>
<p>I urge you not to revoke this important tax credit. By maintaining black liquor&#8217;s eligibility, you are supporting renewable energy production and &#8220;green&#8221; manufacturing jobs.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>James</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: AverageJoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>AverageJoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Way too many Bob’s around here. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;em&gt;What do you call a guy with no arms and not legs floating in the river?........&lt;/em&gt;

Sorry. I couldn&#039;t control myself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Way too many Bob’s around here. </p></blockquote>
<p><em>What do you call a guy with no arms and not legs floating in the river?&#8230;&#8230;..</em></p>
<p>Sorry. I couldn&#8217;t control myself</p>
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		<title>By: barnone</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Bob - you can buy for $350 an adapter with computer so that your current car can run on high pressure CNG AND/OR gasoline.
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You can plug in at home at night, fill up a small tank in your trunk and get about 70 miles until you need to run on gasoline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:58 PM</p>
<p>Bob &#8211; you can buy for $350 an adapter with computer so that your current car can run on high pressure CNG AND/OR gasoline.<br />
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You can plug in at home at night, fill up a small tank in your trunk and get about 70 miles until you need to run on gasoline.</p>
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		<title>By: jazz_piano</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;CNG vehicles aready work. I’m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds good to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>CNG vehicles aready work. I’m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.</p>
<p>Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds good to me.</p>
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		<title>By: barnone</title>
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		<dc:creator>barnone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Steve Z on July 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM
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Boone Pickens talked about it last night on Beck.
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There is a &lt;strong&gt;$65k PER 18 Wheeler&lt;/strong&gt; incentive to buy a new vehicle using CNG.  The HOPE AND CHANGE will be that if people buy enough trucks, then the truck stops will start will start distributing CNG in greater quantity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM<br />
Steve Z on July 8, 2009 at 4:26 PM<br />
.<br />
Boone Pickens talked about it last night on Beck.<br />
.<br />
There is a <strong>$65k PER 18 Wheeler</strong> incentive to buy a new vehicle using CNG.  The HOPE AND CHANGE will be that if people buy enough trucks, then the truck stops will start will start distributing CNG in greater quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: BobMbx</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobMbx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;CNG vehicles aready work. I’m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My point was: I won&#039;t buy a CNG car as long as I can buy  some &lt;strike&gt;Detroit&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;strike&gt;Tennessee&lt;/strike&gt; FOMOCO iron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>CNG vehicles aready work. I’m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.</p>
<p>Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 4:50 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>My point was: I won&#8217;t buy a CNG car as long as I can buy  some <strike>Detroit</strike> <strike>Tennessee</strike> FOMOCO iron.</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo13</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So is the solution to getting a brick to fly. 

Would you buy a brick that flys? Me neither.

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:37 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Huh? Its already being done.  It works.  Its using an energy form we have in abundance.  It keeps that money in OUR economy instead of shipping it to other countries.

CNG vehicles aready work.  I&#039;m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So is the solution to getting a brick to fly. </p>
<p>Would you buy a brick that flys? Me neither.</p>
<p>BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 4:37 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Huh? Its already being done.  It works.  Its using an energy form we have in abundance.  It keeps that money in OUR economy instead of shipping it to other countries.</p>
<p>CNG vehicles aready work.  I&#8217;m just suggesting making CNG available at gas stations, and for it to be an option from a Major Car company that consumers can then choose.</p>
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		<title>By: jazz_piano</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazz_piano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Here http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/billions-in-us-bonds-seized-in-smuggling-operation/ and here http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095

riverrat10k on July 8, 2009 at 4:46 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Here <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/billions-in-us-bonds-seized-in-smuggling-operation/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/billions-in-us-bonds-seized-in-smuggling-operation/</a> and here <a href="http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095" rel="nofollow">http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095</a></p>
<p>riverrat10k on July 8, 2009 at 4:46 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: riverrat10k</title>
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		<dc:creator>riverrat10k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can you give us a link?

jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Here http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/billions-in-us-bonds-seized-in-smuggling-operation/ and here http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can you give us a link?</p>
<p>jazz_piano on July 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM</p>
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<p>Here <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/billions-in-us-bonds-seized-in-smuggling-operation/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/12/billions-in-us-bonds-seized-in-smuggling-operation/</a> and here <a href="http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095" rel="nofollow">http://cryptogon.com/?p=9095</a></p>
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