China, India reject climate change restrictions

posted at 5:27 pm on July 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The old adage advises people not to interfere when their opponents seem intent on driving themselves to failure.  The leaders of China and India appear to understand that well.  Seeing that the West will adopt senseless restrictions on energy production and economic output, they have declined to jump off the same cliff themselves, throwing the G-8 conference into a turmoil that will be unfortunately brief:

Hopes of a deal on climate change at the Group of Eight industrialised nations summit in Italy were today hanging by a thread.

As world leaders sat down for a working lunch at the start of a three day meeting of the G8, it emerged that negotiations had failed to reach agreement on halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

Summit negotiators, who do the hard bargaining before the heads of state arrive to complete the agreements, failed to make progress on the issue in talks that continued late last night. China and India are understood to have blocked any mention of the target in the draft communiqué, insisting that the developed economies should promise to cut their own emissions sharply by 2020 before asking developing nations to commit to a long term target.

The breakdown in negotiations has undermined President Obama’s chances of producing a diplomatic coup when he chairs talks on climate change at a meeting of the 17-nation Major Economies Forum tomorrow.

That’s what will make the kerfuffle short-lived.  China and India won’t really matter in this conference.  Obama would like to get them on board in order to smooth passage of his agreement, but he’s going to get that agreement no matter what he does.  He needs to show something more on this trip than a meaningless reduction in nuclear arms with Russia, and a damaging agreement to kill Western economies and lower the standard of living in America over the long haul is exactly what he wants.  And he’ll say anything to get it, with or without India or China.

The better question will be what happens when he gets it.  The Senate passed a non-binding resolution in the Clinton administration telling the President not to bother submitting Kyoto for ratification without China and India agreeing to its restrictions.  That resolution passed unanimously.  More than a decade later, some Senators might be willing to handicap America for the benefit of China, but that will be a tough sell for most of them.  Any treaty requires 67 votes, and I’d be surprised if Obama could muster even half of that for Son of Kyoto.

Obama may plan to return home, waving a piece of paper over his head to the adoring masses of the White House press corps, claiming a victory for climate change in our time, but that’s as far as it will go without the two most populous nations on Earth exempting themselves from it.  Obama will push for the limitations in other ways, though, through Congress and the EPA, while China retains its economic advantage over the US, and India builds one.


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Pelosi is right. This is a jobs bill. Jobs for China. Jobs for India.

lorien1973 on July 8, 2009 at 5:29 PM

China and India have smart leaders.

MaiDee on July 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM

The Goracle speaks of his outrage in 5..4..3..2..1..

BobMbx on July 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM

It was predictable…

Romeo13 on July 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM

We are so screwed.

nukemhill on July 8, 2009 at 5:32 PM

There is a duel.

While America is busy cutting off one of its hands, China hides an extra pistol.

MadisonConservative on July 8, 2009 at 5:33 PM

China and India are understood to have blocked any mention of the target in the draft communiqué, insisting that the developed economies should promise to cut their own emissions sharply by 2020 before asking developing nations to commit to a long term target
Any nation that does not aspire to continued developement can sign the agreement. When you quit developing you you can only go backwards.

fourdeucer on July 8, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Didn’t Obama praise China as a nation to imitate? Guess not anymore.

darii on July 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Tell you what. Let’s go ahead and still force America to pay for the biggest scam in the history of scams. It will be the same as if we were standing in a 10 lane olympic swimming pool trying to keep the water clean by not peeing in it, while the folks in the other lanes are letting ‘er rip.

1) My actions won’t have an effect on the water quality.
2) Neither will the actions of the other nine swimmers.

But, if the government goes through with this, I’ve got my own plan.

cannonball on July 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Now, isn’t that special…and totally unexpected, of course. :-)

It would kill their economies.

But, not ours?

coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Maybe China and India can produce enough GHG to warm up Chicago. I think last night was the first July night I closed my windows on my house cause my wife and were concerned about the house getting too cold.

WashJeff on July 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Lets send Krugman over to Asia to explain things.

gwelf on July 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM

…..And he’ll say anything to get it, with or without India or China

money quote of the day….

cmsinaz on July 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM

China is not playing this too well… they should pretend to be all aboard… maybe even sign on… who is going to keep a check on them? Obama? Even so, what’s Obama gonna do? And by the time anything can be done, it’d be too late.

mankai on July 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Lets send Krugman over to Asia to explain things.

gwelf on July 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM

FIFY

mankai on July 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM

a damaging agreement to kill Western economies and lower the standard of living in America over the long haul is exactly what he wants.

Congratulations, Ed! You finally realized it’s not stupidity, it’s malice.

Daggett on July 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Who would have thought, 20 years ago, that Americans would vote in an inept dictator wannabe, and China, and India would grow to be the prosperous, and common sense nations on the planet?

capejasmine on July 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM

FIFY

mankai on July 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM

*wink wink*

gwelf on July 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Do you see that big L on Obama’s forehead…..

_________________

Loser!!!!

cmsinaz on July 8, 2009 at 5:38 PM

He needs to show something more on this trip than a meaningless reduction in nuclear arms with Russia, and a damaging agreement to kill Western economies and lower the standard of living in America over the long haul is exactly what he wants. And he’ll say anything to get it, with or without India or China.

ouch

gwelf on July 8, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Nazi bastages!

thomasaur on July 8, 2009 at 5:39 PM

The main problem is defining “greenhouse gases”. C02 isn’t the bad guy here, unless it’s being spewed by algore.

kirkill on July 8, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Job, jobs, jobs! Gone, gone gone!

jeanie on July 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM

CO2 is not a damned pollutant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jimmy2shoes on July 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM

China and India must be more educated than our Democratic leaders.

CynicalOptimist on July 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM

No problem. Just change the date. Make it a promise to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by (some number) over the next century. Declare victory. Have a party.

Skandia Recluse on July 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Maybe China and India can produce enough GHG to warm up Chicago. I think last night was the first July night I closed my windows on my house cause my wife and were concerned about the house getting too cold.

WashJeff on July 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM

And it’s still only 63 degree’s out here in the south suburbs, with rain, of course.

But I guess I should be grateful, it was only in the 50′s the 2 weeks I was over in Europe, with floods, of course.

Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM

CO2 is not a damned pollutant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jimmy2shoes on July 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM

If it is… then algore is the biggest offender just by opening his freakin’ mouth.

CynicalOptimist on July 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Time to put Biden in charge of oversight of the Chinese and Indians. That always gets results worthy of a comic strip.

kirkill on July 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM

You remember that scene in the movie ‘Old School’ where Frank the Tank says “Let’s go streaking!!!!”

Everyone at the party just looks at him funny as he goes running down the road naked?

Yeah, America is Frank the Tank.

Thunderstorm129 on July 8, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Congratulations, Ed! You finally realized it’s not stupidity, it’s malice.

Daggett on July 8, 2009 at 5:37 PM

The hate just oozes out of him…

ladyingray on July 8, 2009 at 5:43 PM

Didn’t Obama praise China as a nation to imitate? Guess not anymore.

darii on July 8, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Well, he also praised CA for it’s success.

a capella on July 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM

mankai on July 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Actually, the Chinese are playing this very well.

It is obvious they think the Precedent ™ is a lightweight that they don’t even need to pay lip service to. This is a big middle finger to Ogabe, and I’m enjoying every minute of it.

PimFortuynsGhost on July 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM

but that’s as far as it will go without the two most populous nations on Earth exempting themselves from it.

I think you mean “with the two most populous” or “agreeing to it”.

I are an editer.

Daggett on July 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Any treaty requires 67 votes, and I’d be surprised if Obama could muster even half of that for Son of Kyoto.

Obama has already decided that he doesn’t need Senate ratification for treaties.

Just like his new START treaty, he will just implement it through executive orders.

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM

I envy China and India. It must be nice to have leaders that put their own country and their own economic interests first and refuse to play some silly climate change fantasy game.
I swear…they must look at Obama and praise God or whatever non christian non offensive progressively accepted deity they pray to.

NeoKong on July 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

It’s a sad day when both India and China are more capitalistic than the US.

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Maybe the president should offer to cut our emissions by twice as much to show good faith. Then have Joe Biden hint that we’ve given Greenpeace the green light to take out our coal mines if they feel the need. Sheesh! This world is crazy without smart U.S. leadership.

ROCnPhilly on July 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

But I guess I should be grateful, it was only in the 50’s the 2 weeks I was over in Europe, with floods, of course.

Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Just try to imagine the idiocy of equalizing rain fall, sunshine, temperatures, crop growth rates, and cattle flatulence.

fourdeucer on July 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

CO2 is not a damned pollutant!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jimmy2shoes on July 8, 2009 at 5:41 PM

The trees seem to like it.

portlandon on July 8, 2009 at 5:49 PM

I are an editer.

Daggett on July 8, 2009 at 5:45 PM

I thunk is better said such as, for example: I is an editer.

ericdijon on July 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM

“Yeah, America is Frank the Tank.”

For once as an adult I am proud of my country!

WitchDoctor on July 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Wow, two nations that have no intention of committing economic suicide. And the lemmings are surprised?

GarandFan on July 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

I have to admit I did not see his use of the EPA-as-Brownshirts coming.

Dirty, shady and dirty. 2010 can’t come soon enough. This regime has to be defeated and it begins in the 2010 mid-terms.

FireBlogger on July 8, 2009 at 5:51 PM

but but but… we’re jumping off a cliff… everyone else should follow….

gatorboy on July 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Just try to imagine the idiocy of equalizing rain fall, sunshine, temperatures, crop growth rates, and cattle flatulence.

fourdeucer on July 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

You forgot to mention all the folks in Germany, Austria, Hungary, etc, who eat sauerkraut with every meal……and wash it down with a big ole stein of beer.

Flatulence of major proportions.

Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM

China and India are traitors to the globe.

Racists too.

Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 5:55 PM

China, India reject climate change restrictions

It’s OK… the left will still consider the Chinese and Indians less than cultured…

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Ed, surely you jest. You’re citing realities that don’t exist any more. Doncha know we live in historic times? The little language in the constitution about treaties, well, those are words, just words, and this administration is smarty pants smart enough to run the country without the willing congress’s oversight and consent.

Any treaty requires 67 votes, and I’d be surprised if Obama could muster even half of that for Son of Kyoto.

gatorboy on July 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Obama will push for the limitations in other ways, though, through Congress and the EPA, while China retains its economic advantage over the US, and India builds one.

Ah, but then the pressure will come from the unions and corporations to put tariffs on Chinese and Indian goods because of the advantages they have over our products.

Then, all hell breaks loose…

SteveMG on July 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM

What? No troll input?

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

It’s a sad day when both India and China are more capitalistic than the US.
MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2009 at 5:48 PM

It will be ok. Once Ogabe starts building the gulag system to imprison conservatives and Christians, we will be equal again.

Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM
I was just getting ready to have some Polish sausage,and baked beans with honey and bourbon.

fourdeucer on July 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Obama is our Gorby.

RobCon on July 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM

It will be ok. Once Ogabe starts building the gulag system to imprison conservatives and Christians, we will be equal again.

Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Or less than equal…

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM

What? No troll input?

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Big words and policy discussion scare trolls.

Thunderstorm129 on July 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM

It’s OK… the left will still consider the Chinese and Indians less than cultured…

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Much the same way as I consider some hick friends of mine in Manassas that got paid in AOL stock when AOL was competing with BBS…

ericdijon on July 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM

China and India deserve a pass on this one. I mean, at least the CA legislature is wise enough to apologize to the Chinese. Obama will shortly pronounce that it is the US’s bully-influence which has kept the rest of the nation down, and besides, it was the US which was polluting long before the rest of the world, so we’re naughty and must be publicly shamed through these disastrous economic policies.

gatorboy on July 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

I hearby rename this bill to “Shooting ourselves in the foot while polishing the shoes of our international competitors.”

shick on July 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

America has so much more potential than withering Europe… What is the appeal for Obama loyalists to embrace the European model?

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

How else could they make the money they lend to US.

the_nile on July 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

AnninCA doesn’t have anything to say?

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

In China, ManBearPig is a special delicacy.

Mr. Joe on July 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

How else could they make the money they lend to US.

the_nile on July 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

The same way we have been… they just don’t spend it like we do.

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

There is only one answer to this and we all know what that is. We must adopt even stricter carbon policies in order to take up the slack of the other countries. If they refuse to do their part we will just have to step up and do it for them. It will embarrass them greatly and increase our standing of likability on the European stage. Come on, what’s more important? The love of France or food on your table?

jmarcure on July 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM

In China, ManBearPig is a special delicacy.

Mr. Joe on July 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

In America, Flying Arseholes are seen in the White House

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:02 PM

At this rate I may move to Hong Kong

izoneguy on July 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Nanny state…

cmsinaz on July 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

And it’s still only 63 degree’s out here in the south suburbs, with rain, of course.

Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM

No Tornado warning in your area this year either I think. Now that is a freaky weather year.

WashJeff on July 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Nanny state…

cmsinaz on July 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Heck, even in China they have Nanny Statism. They just don’t waste their money on funerals celebrations for pedophile Pop Stars.

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM

The implications for Waxman-Markey, a version of which will soon be taken up by the Senate, are huge. If India and China–the world’s biggest emitter of CO2–decline to limit their carbon emissions, it is impossible to claim that Waxman-Markey will have any discernible impact on the Earth’s climate, even if you buy the anthropogenic global warming hoax hook, line and sinker. The only impact the bill could have would be to hobble America’s economy and pave the way for China and India to replace the U.S. as the economic superpowers of the 21st century.

izoneguy on July 8, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Methinks politicians pollute the air with too much of their C02..

I propose they reduce their breathing by 50% for the next 3 years..

Zippy_Slug on July 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Why doesn’t government start setting an example for us.

Ground Scare Farce One

Make all federal employees bike to work

Send Joy Behar to Cuba.

That should cut back on our emissions.

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

It would kill their economies.

But, not ours?

coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM

It’s typical Liberal “logic.”

Socialized health care is a disaster everywhere else it’s been tried, so we need to have it here, no matter the cost.

Huge government “stimulus” spending bills were tried without success in the U.S. during the 1930′s, and again (and again and again and again) in Japan during the 1990′s, and they failed to revive either country’s economy, so we should do it again here.

Whatever policy clearly won’t work is the policy Dims insist we must have.

AZCoyote on July 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM

. The only impact the bill could have would be to hobble America’s economy and pave the way for China and India to replace the U.S. as the economic superpowers of the 21st century.

Unless the US and other signatories put high tariffs and trade restrictions on Chinese and Indian products.

Smoot-Hawley rhymes with Waxmen-Markey.

SteveMG on July 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

China and India are understood to have blocked any mention of the target in the draft communiqué, insisting that the developed economies should promise to cut their own emissions sharply by 2020 before asking developing nations to commit to a long term target.

Now the opening sentence makes more sense. On first reading, I paused at opponents as I don’t see India in the same category with China: “The old adage advises people not to interfere when their opponents seem intent on driving themselves to failure.” I would respect India more had they simply said no. This entire cycle of making demands is hardly diplomatic, and Mr. Obama is driving wedges where he should not again.

This green movement forced the birth of the federal EPA since the 1960s. You’d think they’d be satisfied by now, but that will never happen. They’ll conquer the world given any opportunity.

Stop the world. I want to get off.

maverick muse on July 8, 2009 at 6:07 PM

ManBearPig, its fat and bitter.

Mr. Joe on July 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM

The ChiComs will slap us down if we even suggest they go along with are carbon nonsense. They can do it by refusing to buy any more debt.

We are slaves.

Mr. Joe on July 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM

ManBearPig is best served with a side of bitter treasury notes.

Mr. Joe on July 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM

And it’s still only 63 degree’s out here in the south suburbs, with rain, of course.

Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 5:42 PM
No Tornado warning in your area this year either I think. Now that is a freaky weather year.

WashJeff on July 8, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Did you see where the average temp in August is only supposed to be 69 degrees in Chicago. Very strange.

sherry on July 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Did you see where the average temp in August is only supposed to be 69 degrees in Chicago. Very strange.

sherry on July 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Come on out to AZ if you’re cold. We’re in triple-digits now, and will be until October.

You can leave your sweaters at home.

AZCoyote on July 8, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Ed:

Competitive advantage.

Actually, it’s comparative advantage.

Wiki Link

SteveMG on July 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM

America under 0bama is like riding in a boat when the captain keeps shooting holes in the bottom.

Cicero43 on July 8, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Perhaps obama should listen to the nearly 32,000 US scientists who have signed their names to a petition questioning all of this CO2 madness.

Of course, what would they know?

keep the change on July 8, 2009 at 6:22 PM

what idiot thinks he has the POWER to change the global temp.? These men think they are God! This is crazy talk, they are going to reduce the temp by 3 degrees.

Liberalism is a mental disorder!

Lisa on July 8, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Everybody’s giving Obama the finger.

Time for another town hall meeting packed with mindless kool-aid drinkers to draw attention away from his World Tour that accomplished nada.

fogw on July 8, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Start learning Mandarin, or at least start having your children taught the language of our soon to be Chinese masters.

ernie on July 8, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Everybody’s giving Obama the finger.

Time for another town hall meeting packed with mindless kool-aid drinkers to draw attention away from his World Tour that accomplished nada.

fogw on July 8, 2009 at 6:23 PM

…Just remember to break Helen Thomas’s middle finger…

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Maybe Tapper can ask Ogabe what the correct temperature of the earth is supposed to be, just so we know when we have done enough.

Bishop on July 8, 2009 at 6:27 PM

Start learning Mandarin, or at least start having your children taught the language of our soon to be Chinese masters.

ernie on July 8, 2009 at 6:25 PM

…Naw… we could always sell them Europe ;)

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM

AnninCA doesn’t have anything to say?

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Nationalized healthcare will fix this problem.

AnninCA

Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 6:30 PM

I question their patriotism!

Beto Ochoa on July 8, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Oh Lord, please save our land. Smite the evil Democrats, both the cunning and the stupid. Free our land of Communist.Free our land the corrupt.Free our land of the ignorant.
We as this in your name. Amen.

P.S. Thanks for the MJ deal. One less abuser of kids.

Jeff from WI on July 8, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Obama is running us toward WWIII in record pace.

In the near future, a broke down U.S. will look pretty appetizing to the Chinese and Ruskies.

Good-bye world power.

cntrlfrk on July 8, 2009 at 6:37 PM

China & India have got it right. They are smarter than us now. I mean their leaders are smarter than ours. The chinese & indian know the hoax that is called AGW or climate change. Al Gore should travel to China all by himself. He can try to peddle his BS over there. A little jail time in a chinese prison would be good for Gore and great for us.
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Possibly off topic but maybe not:
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Obama has been defined by the coined phrases “All Barack Obama Statements Come With an Expiration Date.” “All Of Them.”
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Someday I desire that sooner rather than later, the American people rise up and coin a new phrase for Obama. “Your expiration date in office can’t come soon enough for us.”
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It is pretty sad when almost everything this man does is so anti-american and the state run media (ObamaTV.org) obliges him. Once upon a time it was considered to be “The Mass Media was our Fourth Estate” holding our governments actions accountable to the people, of the people and for the people so that we would not perish from this lack of being misinformed. Ah, the days when journalism really was a “journalistic professionalism of ethics” and not just the free rides they got on Airforce One. Now for some journalist/broadcast anchors (the ones that bow in particular) are these WH junkets to the anywhere including flyovers to the Statue of Liberty and back home. Along with this junket is free meals & tickets in cities like Washington D.C. and New York City all on the taxpayers dime. What a country we have now damn it.

Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Knucklehead on July 8, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Tacky is just easy to spot.

It just IS.

Loxodonta on July 8, 2009 at 6:45 PM

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