China, India reject climate change restrictions

posted at 5:27 pm on July 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The old adage advises people not to interfere when their opponents seem intent on driving themselves to failure.  The leaders of China and India appear to understand that well.  Seeing that the West will adopt senseless restrictions on energy production and economic output, they have declined to jump off the same cliff themselves, throwing the G-8 conference into a turmoil that will be unfortunately brief:

Hopes of a deal on climate change at the Group of Eight industrialised nations summit in Italy were today hanging by a thread.

As world leaders sat down for a working lunch at the start of a three day meeting of the G8, it emerged that negotiations had failed to reach agreement on halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

Summit negotiators, who do the hard bargaining before the heads of state arrive to complete the agreements, failed to make progress on the issue in talks that continued late last night. China and India are understood to have blocked any mention of the target in the draft communiqué, insisting that the developed economies should promise to cut their own emissions sharply by 2020 before asking developing nations to commit to a long term target.

The breakdown in negotiations has undermined President Obama’s chances of producing a diplomatic coup when he chairs talks on climate change at a meeting of the 17-nation Major Economies Forum tomorrow.

That’s what will make the kerfuffle short-lived.  China and India won’t really matter in this conference.  Obama would like to get them on board in order to smooth passage of his agreement, but he’s going to get that agreement no matter what he does.  He needs to show something more on this trip than a meaningless reduction in nuclear arms with Russia, and a damaging agreement to kill Western economies and lower the standard of living in America over the long haul is exactly what he wants.  And he’ll say anything to get it, with or without India or China.

The better question will be what happens when he gets it.  The Senate passed a non-binding resolution in the Clinton administration telling the President not to bother submitting Kyoto for ratification without China and India agreeing to its restrictions.  That resolution passed unanimously.  More than a decade later, some Senators might be willing to handicap America for the benefit of China, but that will be a tough sell for most of them.  Any treaty requires 67 votes, and I’d be surprised if Obama could muster even half of that for Son of Kyoto.

Obama may plan to return home, waving a piece of paper over his head to the adoring masses of the White House press corps, claiming a victory for climate change in our time, but that’s as far as it will go without the two most populous nations on Earth exempting themselves from it.  Obama will push for the limitations in other ways, though, through Congress and the EPA, while China retains its economic advantage over the US, and India builds one.


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According to Drudge, Obama promises not to allow average temperatures to rise more than 2 degrees C.

(If someone already mentioned this, I apologize.)

btw, this is officially the end of the world. There is obviously nothing worth saving of the present system.

JiangxiDad on July 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Seven Percent Solution on July 8, 2009 at 6:44 PM

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I did not hit your link but if has anything to do with the theme of “The Remains Of The Day” and/or PM Chamberlain’s blunder, I’ve already seen it many times. A sad & true story associated with one of this world blackest and dumbest moments of the 20th century.

Americannodash on July 8, 2009 at 6:55 PM

China & India have got it right. They are smarter than us now.

China and India know about statism and socialism first hand. Neither wants to go back to those slow growth rates and lack of consumer goods. A lot of people here should hang.

JiangxiDad on July 8, 2009 at 6:57 PM

sherry on July 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM

Come to Austin! Today’s record high was 106! Could go higher in the next few days! If ya get hot, you can maybe find a lake that has water in it so you can wade!

mimi1220 on July 8, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Obama has stated that ‘Cap & Trade’ is about ‘jobs’. He’s absolutely right, it’ll mean more US jobs go offshore to India and China.

ajackson on July 8, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Cap and trade is about jobs . . . right.

Worked out so well for the Spaniards, didn’t it?

Once again, if it’s been tried and proven to be a failure elsewhere, then Dims insist that we must have it here.

Liberalism really is a mental disease.

AZCoyote on July 8, 2009 at 7:43 PM

How do you say “Sucker!” in Mandarin and Hindi?

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Barak.

profitsbeard on July 8, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Elect JohnnyU!!! I’ll make some damn jobs!!

johnnyU on July 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Are comments down or something – i cannot seem to post. Apologies if i am spamming.

nagee76 on July 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM

I would respect India more had they simply said no. This entire cycle of making demands is hardly diplomatic, and Mr. Obama is driving wedges where he should not again.

Maverick Muse, you have to understand that India is playing a game here, just as China is. We ALL KNOW that the United States would never come close to doing half of “what needs to be done” according to the enviro-nuts – not without seriously DAMAGING your economy AND in turn the global economy.

Remember a poorer America is actually going to make things worse for China’s products and India’s services sectors. The United States is now the biggest trading partner for both the countries – and it is going to stay that way for quite some time.

As far as India is concerned IF WE EVER AGREED to any of these terms, we are basically committing national suicide. Our power requirements are met mostly by coal – we are now trying to get more civilian nuclear power (based on the agreement signed with Bush Admn in 2007)

Basically India and China are jointly giving THE EXCUSE that the US needs to step out of this dumb and insane asylum idea.

IF Obama and the Dumbocrats HAVE ANY BRAINS left, they will take this excuse and run away from the agreement – and instead agree to some laughably feeble reductions that is bound to happen any ways as technology gets better.

Then again as we all know Obama is a fucking Alynskite – for God’s sakes you guys have a commie for President.

As an Indian, i will pray for the USA – only God can save you from this madness.

nagee76 on July 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM

For the first time, America and the other seven richest economies agreed to the goal of keeping the world’s average temperature from rising more than 2C (3.6F).

They also agreed to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 80 per cent by 2050 as they strove for a worldwide deal at Copenhagen in December.

How are they going to do it? This is truly nation destroying stuff. They are insane. I’m really thinking we need a world wide revolution against these liberal lunatics that have way to much money and power to impact people world wide.

jmarcure on July 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM

I don’t know why the Senate would like it anymore today than they did when Clinton was president. In fact I think there is more skepticism today than there was then.

Terrye on July 8, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Obama’s “Cap and Trade”, also known as:

“Losing Ohio.”

Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Obama’s “Cap and Trade”, also known as:

“Losing Ohio.”

Sapwolf on July 8, 2009 at 8:59 PM

And Pennsylvania, Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado & Nevada

izoneguy on July 8, 2009 at 9:04 PM

I would respect India more had they simply said no. This entire cycle of making demands is hardly diplomatic, and Mr. Obama is driving wedges where he should not again.

Maverick Muse, you have to understand that India is playing a game here, just as China is. We ALL KNOW that the United States would never come close to doing half of “what needs to be done” according to the enviro-nuts – not without seriously DAMAGING your economy AND in turn the global economy.

Remember a poorer America is actually going to make things worse for China’s products and India’s services sectors. The United States is now the biggest trading partner for both the countries – and it is going to stay that way for quite some time.

As far as India is concerned IF WE EVER AGREED to any of these terms, we are basically committing national suicide. Our power requirements are met mostly by coal – we are now trying to get more civilian nuclear power (based on the agreement signed with Bush Admn in 2007)

India could very easily point out that we are actually trying to do something to curb greenhouse gas emissions by taking to nuclear power – some thing that the US does not want to do it for itself, thanks Pelosi, Obama, Reid and your anti nuclear ayatollahs Markey and Waxman.

Basically India and China are jointly giving THE EXCUSE that the US needs to step out of this dumb and insane asylum idea.

IF Obama and the Dumbocrats HAVE ANY BRAINS left, they will take this excuse and run away from the agreement – and instead agree to some laughably feeble reductions that is bound to happen any ways as technology gets better.

Then again as we all know Obama is a fracking Alynskite – for God’s sakes we have a commie for President.

As an Indian, i will pray for the USA – only God can save you from this madness.

nagee76 on July 8, 2009 at 9:09 PM

According to Drudge, Obama promises not to allow average temperatures to rise more than 2 degrees C.

(If someone already mentioned this, I apologize.)

btw, this is officially the end of the world. There is obviously nothing worth saving of the present system.

JiangxiDad on July 8, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Ain’t that just the utmost in arrogance? Not going to allow average temperatures to rise more than 2 degrees Celsius? I guess he hasn’t realized that this is slightly above his pay grade.

jimmy2shoes on July 8, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Since solar activity has been shown to regulate global overall temperatures more than any man-made carbon-emissions and such…

Just how are they going to regulate the amount of energy given off by the sun?

Lots of sunspots…a rise in overall temperatures, and mega aurora borealis and aurora australis.

Lack of sunspot activity, lor greatly lesser sunspot activity…and we get overall lower temperatures.

There are other events that control temperature…declination of the earth vis-a-vis the sun, apogee and perigee of the eliptic orbit of the earth in the solar system as it orbits the sun.

But none of this is mentioned most of the time. Instead we get the pap that carbon dioxide is a pollutant.

With “accepted science” like this, might as well resurrect the alchemists and wizards.

The hubris is sickening.

coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM

I think the democraps / liberal scumbags must be masochistic. They enjoy knee-capping themselves and prostrating before foreign powers.

Meanwhile, the fascist in chief commits treason every single way he can possibly find to commit it.

I can’t believe we’re going to let this go on for 3.5 more years.

Spiritk9 on July 8, 2009 at 10:08 PM

How are they going to do it?

The same way he kept the unemployment rate from going above 8 percent.

I hope they remember to add a provision stating they won’t allow volcanoes to erupt while negotiating this agreement.

xblade on July 9, 2009 at 3:00 AM

Only land owners should have a right to vote!

Libertarian Joseph on July 9, 2009 at 6:37 AM

Then again, does anyone really on land? We all rent it via property taxes… ah well

Libertarian Joseph on July 9, 2009 at 6:38 AM

own*

I think land owners would vote better. but who knows

Libertarian Joseph on July 9, 2009 at 6:38 AM

…for God’s sakes you guys have a commie for President.

As an Indian, i will pray for the USA – only God can save you from this madness.

nagee76 on July 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Good thing yer in India. We’re not allowed to say stuff like that here.

But then again, maybe we need you more here.

petefrt on July 9, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Since solar activity has been shown to regulate global overall temperatures more than any man-made carbon-emissions and such…

coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM

The science is in and the debate is over. SUV’s cause sun spots.

petefrt on July 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Cap and Trade is a sham and purely political, otherwise Sen. Byrd would be totally in favor of it no matter whether coal burns black, white or green.

MSGTAS on July 9, 2009 at 10:18 AM

This is wanted by the cartel so as to level the playing field. The intention, openly visible by their actions, is create a better distribution of the world’s assets. Why? Easier to control populations, easier to manipulate the global money supply, and less of a chance of a strong nation ,such as ours, to rebel.

They have pointmen, political figureheads if you will, that do their bidding. Whether that figurehead understands he’s being manipulated for a particular cause does not matter, what matters is that the figurehead pushes the agenda forward. Politically they are currently exemplified by the Obama and Bush clans. The Obama faction pushes the socialization of a nation, which borrows from the banking cartel to fund the government, and the Bush faction pushes amnesty to further blur the borders which lead to eventual NAU integration. It doesn’t matter whether it’s called NAU or NAFTA, or whatever, what matters is that we become economically and ethnically integrated, it will provide the same outcome.

Please, see through veil.

True_King on July 9, 2009 at 10:37 AM

President Obama and other leaders backed historic new targets for tackling global warming last night in an agreement designed to pave the way for a world deal in the autumn.

For the first time, America and the other seven richest economies agreed to the goal of keeping the world’s average temperature from rising more than 2C (3.6F).

They also agreed to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 80 per cent by 2050 as they strove for a worldwide deal at Copenhagen in December.

This from this morning’s Drudge Report.
(China, India, Russia noticably not present in the associated group hug picture).

Now let’s get this deal strait. The goal for all this cap and trade crap (I don’t know what they call it in other countries, except I’m sure that either the words “crap” or “American Folishness” is tacked to the end) is to keep the world temperature from rising another 2 degrees C. So we can assume that if the presen’t slight cooling trend continues (global warming doesn’t happen) then Cap and Trade was successful and well worth the trillions of dollars and the Cap and Trading will continue. If it turns out that it didn’t work (temperatures once again start rising)….THEN WE MUST DO MORE.

I love these win-win scenarios for the lefty-loons.

Wake up America, the sky isn’t falling. This isn’t about saving the world. This is about controlling the world and those of us in it.

There has been no average global temperature increse in a decade but a lot of money has been spent to position a group of private companies to make big money off this when it’s passed and the money trail leads to AlGore.

Ask yourself why atomic energy been downplayed when it is a safe, super-logical choice with it’s technology already proven and available.?

Answer: It doesn’t require Cap and Trade.

Ernest on July 9, 2009 at 10:47 AM

China really said “you buy the crap that we produce, when was the last time your country could produce something that was profitable”

Tremmy on July 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Crap and Trade = Lower GDP = Less Jobs
Maybe those whom own or have interest in businesses that will support this! Hey, Does’nt Al Gore have interest in some of those companies?

BigMike252 on July 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Even crippled by its corrupt government and moronic laws, China is still a rising power, not to mention they aren’t fooled by this ‘global warming’ bull.. This is bad news folks. They are more likely to call in our debts with each passing year, at which point we might well end up like a prize bull with a ring through it’s nose.

Dark-Star on July 9, 2009 at 4:02 PM

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