Statist health care, by the numbers

posted at 4:22 pm on July 7, 2009 by directorblue

0: The number of unrehearsed, unscripted questions asked of President Obama during his “Town Hall” on health care reform.

13: The number of teeth that British veteran Ian Boynton pulled out himself with pliers “because he couldn’t find an NHS (National Health Service) dentist… [he] could not afford to go private for treatment so instead took the drastic action to remove 13 of his teeth that were giving him severe pain.”

14: The percentage of all patients in Britain who wait more than one (1) year to receive treatment after a referral by a general practitioner. Half of all National Health Care patients in Britain wait between 18 and 52 weeks for treatment.

37: The “health care ranking” assigned to the U.S. by the World Health Organization among the world’s countries. This oft-quoted number is used to justify an overhaul of the U.S. health care system and lists countries like Italy (2), Andorra (4), Malta (5), Singapore (6), Oman (8), Portugal (12), Greece (14), the United Kingdom (18), Ireland (19), Columbia (22), Cyprus (24), Saudi Arabia (26), the UAE (27), Morocco (29), Canada (30), Chile (33), the Dominican Republic (35) and Costa Rica (36) ahead of the U.S. Considering that no U.S. citizens travel to these countries when experiencing a life-threatening situation, it’s worth questioning the methods by which the WHO arrived at these rankings. Their criteria included subjective and political assessments such as “Fairness in financial contribution“. Suffice it to say that the WHO’s rankings are clearly fraudulent and are designed to influence U.S. policy.

60: Average cancer survival rate (all types) for patients in the United States. Canada’s survival rate is significantly lower at 55%, while Europe’s is a dismal 48%.

81: Average percentage of those who survive a diagnosis of prostate cancer in the United States versus 43% in Britain under their National Health Service.

90: Number of days, on average, each Canadian patient must wait for an MRI under the Canadian government-run health care system.

750: The estimated number of people waiting in line (in the pouring rain) at Britain’s Bury Office attempting to register for dental care.

2050: By this year, “Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (health care for the poor) will consume nearly the entire federal budget.” And by 2082, Medicare spending alone will consume the entire federal budget. This trajectory is, quite obviously, unsustainable for our children and our grandchildren. Congress is bequeathing our descendents a bankrupt health care system — for just the third of the medical system that the government already runs!

10,000: Number of Canadian breast cancer patients to file a class action lawsuit against Quebec’s hospitals because, on average, they were forced to wait 60 days to begin post-operative radiation treatments.

280,392: The number of jobs that employers would shed if government levied an employer mandate, requiring them to insure all employees. A 2007 study by Katherine Baicker of Harvard University and Helen Levy of the University of Michigan (“Employer Health Insurance Mandates and the Risk of Unemployment“) found that “0.2 percent of all full-time workers and 1.4 percent of uninsured full-time workers would lose their jobs if a health insurance mandate were written into law. Workers who would lose their jobs are disproportionately likely to be high school dropouts, minority, and female.”

443,849: The number of British patients of the National Healthcare Service (NHS) who waited four or more weeks for inpatient admittance into a hospital (Excel file) in May of 2009 (more than 75% of all patients).

1,500,000: The number of Canadians who do not have — and cannot find — a general practitioner/primary care physician due to shortages in medical staff: “In Norwood, Ontario, 20/20 videotaped a town clerk pulling the names of the lucky winners out of a lottery box. The losers must wait to see a doctor… Shirley Healy, like many sick Canadians, came to America for surgery. Her doctor in British Columbia told her she had only a few weeks to live because a blocked artery kept her from digesting food. Yet Canadian officials called her surgery ‘elective.’ …’The only thing elective about this surgery was I elected to live,’ she said.”

12,000,000: number of illegal immigrants who would qualify for free health care and — in all likelihood — additional health care rights for relatives under the Democrats’ universal health care plan, according to a reported statement by the office of Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and spokespeople for the racial separatist group La Raza.

$311,000,000 ($311 million): The amount of additional funding requested last month by the Obama administration simply to combat Medicare fraud. Medicare fraud is estimated at $60 billion annually.

$3,600,000,000 ($3.6 billion): The amount of added malpractice insurance costs to the current health care system instigated by an out-of-control trial lawyer lobby that donates heavily to Democrat causes.

$10,000,000,000 ($10 billion): The estimated amount of Medicaid fraud, based upon FBI estimates. Criminal practices include billing for nonexistent, overstated, or unnecessary services, kickbacks to patients, inflated costs, etc.

$60,000,000,000 ($60 billion): The estimated annual amount of Medicare fraud, due to widespread criminal operations that victimize taxpayers and specialize in dead doctors, fake patients, non-existent treatments and the like.

$107,000,000,000,000 ($107 trillion): The estimated shortfall of the Medicare and Social Security programs, which are utterly and completely bankrupt; they can be legitimately called an “enormous version of Bernard Madoff’s Ponzi scheme”.

Canada and England don’t pay as high a price for their health care because they freeload on American innovation. If we utilized their systems, Americans might worry less about paying for health care, but we’d get 2009-level care and long lines. Those are the immutable laws of supply and demand. Government monopolies don’t innovate. Only the free market innovates.

Furthermore, government bureaucrats already raped the Social Security Trust Fund — there is no trust fund. They raped the Medicare Trust Fund — there’s nothing left. They raped the Highway Trust Fund — it’s empty. I could go down a long list of things the government said it would do, but hasn’t done. Because the big government statists are liars. They even moved these massive expenditures “off the books” to conceal the damage they’ve done.

And now the Democrat Party, the union bosses and the trial lawyers are launching the most massive attack on the American people in the history of government.

They promise health care for everyone, but they will not — and they can’t possibly — deliver it. The numbers don’t lie.

References: Sick in America: ‘Free’ Is Good? (ABC News), There’s no such thing as free health care (Reason Magazine), Social Security and Medicare Projections: 2009 (National Center for Policy Analysis), Who is Debby Smith?, E.R. P.R., Bureau of Labor Statistics, July 2009.
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The Democrats also want “mental health parity” where mental health is covered exactly the same as health care.

So in short, if you’re lonely and bored, taxpayers will pick up the tab for you to chat with a licensed psychologist at $100.00 an hour.

No chance of fraud or abuse there, of course.

NoDonkey on July 7, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Dr. Obamas office, Hold Please!

fourdeucer on July 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM

Dr. Obamas office, Hold Please!

fourdeucer on July 7, 2009 at 4:29 PM

“Please remain on the line. Your call is important to us. You will be connected to a customer service representative in . . . two . . . days . . .

In the meantime, would you like to contribute to the Barack Obama re-election campaign? Or would you like an appointment on the 10th OF NEVER!

NoDonkey on July 7, 2009 at 4:30 PM

Excellent summation; should be tattooed to the backside of every member of Congress (both parties).

michaelo on July 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM

This study is complete charlatanry. I went to an emergency room in Japan due to a serious bout of food poisoning in 2006. There were blue bins, just like the ones you put screws and nails into, that had scalpals and scissors. It looked soo Marcus Welby, M.D.

The doctor gave me a weak prescription of Tylenol.

Needless to say, I cut my business trip early and flew back to the US.

I know people who have done the same when in Europe as well.

jdubya on July 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM

At what point do Americans march on Washington?

Thunderstorm129 on July 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Oh, that’s all just too complicated. It goes on and on and on.

As an independent voter, you need to appeal to me with something more…accessible.

Like “Yes We Can” or “First Black President”

For heaven’s sake, don’t bore me!!

guntotinglibertarian on July 7, 2009 at 4:38 PM

Or would you like an appointment on the 10th OF NEVER!

NoDonkey on July 7, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Love it.

fourdeucer on July 7, 2009 at 4:38 PM

What’s not even considered is that those who pay less or nothing for their healthcare will attempt to use more of it. Remember the HMO? “I’m already paying a monthly fee and a $10 co-pay is nothing, so I’m going to the doctor about this sniffle.” Any good or service perceived as free or as an exceptional value is over-utilized. Period.

Of course, that’s not a concern for our president and congress – only more control over the lives of Americans is important.

ROCnPhilly on July 7, 2009 at 4:38 PM

good post

reppin us blue men

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Awesome. Simply awesome.

nukemhill on July 7, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Well done. Clear, coherent and easy to repeat to the voters in our lives who want to believe the ObamaCare lie.

myrenovations on July 7, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Considering that no U.S. citizens travel to these countries when experiencing a life-threatening situation, it’s worth questioning the methods by which the WHO arrived at these rankings.

One must also consider the numbers of folks from supposedly better countries that come to the US when they need treatment.

Vashta.Nerada on July 7, 2009 at 4:43 PM

12,000,000: number of illegal immigrants who would qualify for free health care and — in all likelihood — additional health care rights for relatives under the Democrats’ universal health care plan,

That’s only if you believe those bogus government “estimates” of how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the United States. The real number is probably (at least) twice that amount.

Back in the early 1980′s when Reagan signed the “one-time” amnesty bill, the official government “estimate” of how many illegals were then residing here and would be eligible under the bill was 1.1 – 1.2 million; more than twice that number (over 3 million) actually applied for and received amnesty.

AZCoyote on July 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM

good post

reppin us blue men

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I didn’t have enough coffee today so it took me a minute to get it, but good one!

I concur, fantastic post. If this doesn’t resonate with people, I don’t know what will. You stand in line and then you die.

sherry on July 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Well…you’re 37. Better set up for an open heart operation now. First opening, July 21, 2054.

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Anyone knows those aren’t pliers he has to remove teeth, those are Channel Locks. Please get your dental equipment straight.

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 4:46 PM

$311,000,000 ($311 million): The amount of additional funding requested last month by the Obama administration simply to combat Medicare fraud. Medicare fraud is estimated at $60 billion annually.

$10,000,000,000 ($10 billion): The estimated amount of Medicaid fraud, based upon FBI estimates…

Contradiction? Any info on the discrepancy here?

sweetlipsbutterhoney on July 7, 2009 at 4:47 PM

If the U.S. has such a sucky health care system, then why is it that nearly all of the great medical breakthroughs, drugs, and new medical devices originate here?

I have always believed that the so called W.H.O. rankings are a complete fraud. It would be nice if someone with the clout to pull it off would do some in depth investigation into that stuff.

I heard John Stossle got nailed for doing a looksie into Canada’s less than stellar health care system.

flyfishingdad on July 7, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Who can put this in a YouTube video with good production values?

OhioCoastie on July 7, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Medicare fraud is estimated at $60 billion annually.

Well sure, but the administrative costs are low.

What, you want us to pay AND look at the bills?

Slave driver.

NoDonkey on July 7, 2009 at 4:49 PM

ZERO: the number of congressmen subject to Obamacare

Hunt035 on July 7, 2009 at 4:49 PM

This post is RACIST!!! How dare you question The Won, from whom all blessing flow? We will all be dead within the next six months if we don’t allow Obama, Pelosi and Reid to give us free health care, free energy, free housing, free education and, most importantly, free unicorns. Because if we don’t, all the unicorns will die from lack of love.

Please, think of the unicorns, you selfish bastards.

Physics Geek on July 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Well…you’re 37. Better set up for an open heart operation now. First opening, July 21, 2054.

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Will a little contribution to the SEIU get me in sooner? Say… Fall of 2038?

ROCnPhilly on July 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM

sweetlipsbutterhoney on July 7, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Medicare AND Medicaid. No contradiction, they are two different government run boondoggles. One bankrupts the federal government and one bankrupts the state and federal governments. They both shortchange the healthcare professionals.

txmomof6 on July 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM

sweetlipsbutterhoney on July 7, 2009 at 4:47 PM

From what I remember, $10 billion is food stamp fraud, $60 billion is medicare fraud.

lorien1973 on July 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Excellent summation; should be tattooed branded on the backside of every member of Congress (both parties).

michaelo on July 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM

It saves on ink and electricity…just doing my part to save the planet from Al Gore.

Laura in Maryland on July 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Obama Care really means:

http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/WAV_files/commercial_WAV_files/alkaseltzer.wav

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM

sweetlipsbutterhoney on July 7, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Medicare = gov’t-paid health care for old people.

Medicaid = gov’t-paid health care for poor people.

Two different programs.

AZCoyote on July 7, 2009 at 4:54 PM

If some republican could get that in a commercial, we may be able to knock universal health care down hard.

fourdeucer on July 7, 2009 at 4:54 PM

That’s what you call pure ownage.

TheUnrepentantGeek on July 7, 2009 at 4:57 PM

I think, as a show of good faith before implementing Obamacare, all the members of Congress in favor of it should have to receive their personal medical care in Canada for a year or two. That way, they’ll either realize the error of their ways, or there won’t be enough of them left to pass it.

Grayson on July 7, 2009 at 4:57 PM

100,000

More than 100,000 ambulance journeys (in Britain’s NHS) were delayed at casualty units by more than 30 minutes in the month of March alone – an increase of 18 per cent in 12 months.

http://www.pronurse.co.uk/news/articles/1529-patients-kept-waiting-for-hours-in-ambulances-as-nhs-chases-targets

Laura in Maryland on July 7, 2009 at 4:57 PM

If some republican could get that in a commercial, we may be able to knock universal health care down hard.

That’s presuming any of the networks would run it.

NoDonkey on July 7, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Doesn’t matter a damn. Our Dear Leader is going to shove this piece of sh_t down our throats.

America wanted change. Well, here it is America. Change you can die from.

spmat on July 7, 2009 at 4:58 PM

I concur, fantastic post. If this doesn’t resonate with people, I don’t know what will. You stand in line along with @12 million newly insured by the taxpayer illegals and then you die.

sherry on July 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM

FIFY

txmomof6 on July 7, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Hey….that guy has the same “Home Dental Kit” that I have.

genso on July 7, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Laura in Maryland on July 7, 2009 at 4:57 PM

I’m going to add some anecdotal stuff here:

My best buddy is a paramedic in our area. He started EMS when we were in High School, and has done many things in that area of work. He’s told me so many stories of picking up the SAME PEOPLE OVER AND OVER in the “amboolance”

The same hookers
Illegal immigrants
and general participants in lowlife debauchery
And they spend night after night free in the hospital

He’s gone to houses, after driving his ass off, only to get to a house in which someone says:

“my grandpa smelled bad so i thought he was dyin”

and we pay for it!

our system is better than the brits, but still. we need a lot work

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 5:03 PM

If some republican could get that in a commercial, we may be able to knock universal health care down hard.

They spent all the money on a really dorky commercial with a bureaucrat wagging his finger and shaking his head standing between a patient and doctor. It is so bad, I was wondering if the Dems put it together to make fun of us.

Laura in Maryland on July 7, 2009 at 5:05 PM

sweetlipsbutterhoney on July 7, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Two different programs.

Torch on July 7, 2009 at 5:06 PM

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Paramedics in Baltimore City complained a few years back that residents were using ambulances as free taxis to the emergency room for ROUTINE health care. When the commie Baltimore Sun reports it, you know its bad.

Laura in Maryland on July 7, 2009 at 5:07 PM

If some republican could get that in a commercial, we may be able to knock universal health care down hard.

fourdeucer on July 7, 2009 at 4:54 PM

The problem is that Republicans will eventually support Obamacare. It’s a government growth issue. In that, there is true bi-partisanship.

And…

As taxes increase, all the old will be poor. Then Medicare and Medicaid will acheive unity.

ROCnPhilly on July 7, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Laura in Maryland on July 7, 2009 at 5:05 PM

I know some of the ads are so pathetic you have to wonder who the target audience is. I would donate in a second to get this on prime time. A paid half hour commercial with the right spokesperson this would resonate long and loud.

fourdeucer on July 7, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Laura in Maryland on July 7, 2009 at 5:07 PM

so bad

and they get the free nights stay in the ER.

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 5:11 PM

My husband was recently laid off. Here’s a little nugget about his experience with our state unemployment office.

After about 10 minutes of prompts, there is..”if you would like to speak to a representative, press 0.” Ringy dingy… Then: “Due to many calls, our representatives are very busy, it will be several minutes before you can speak with them.” Then follows a …get ready for this…a DIAL TONE.

Are all of you ready to hear DIAL TONES when this is for medical treatment??? Are you READY?

marybel on July 7, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Are you READY?

marybel on July 7, 2009 at 5:16 PM

I’m so EXCITED!!

:D

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 5:17 PM

Can you imagine Sarah Palin in a Proffesional studio with a large easel and large posters with these bullet points. She could knock it out of the park. No more universal health care. End of story.

fourdeucer on July 7, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Ya know what? The more I read about this whole plan, and what is will mean for me as I get older, Who they plan to cover and who they plan to let die, etc., the more I think that when I hit 65 or 70 I am going to rob a bank. If I get by with it I’ll have all the money I need. If I get caught, the state will have to pay 100% of all my healthcare and other expenses until I die. The dems will make sure that criminals get coverage, so that is one way to beat the system.

MikeA on July 7, 2009 at 5:22 PM

DirectorBlue!

maverick muse on July 7, 2009 at 5:24 PM

I’m planning my own operations. Buy a “surgery for dummies”,a good razor knife, snips, binder twine and a huge roll of duct tape.

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 5:26 PM

At what point do Americans march on Washington?

Thunderstorm129 on July 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM

It’s scheduled for September… check out the DC Tea Party info.

CC

CapedConservative on July 7, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Believe me when I sincerely say:

THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST HOTAIR POSTS… evah!

Comprehencive and to the point.

Glenn Jericho on July 7, 2009 at 5:34 PM

At what point do Americans march on Washington?

Thunderstorm129 on July 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM
It’s scheduled for September… check out the DC Tea Party info.

CC

CapedConservative on July 7, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Unfortunately by then it will be too late. The next two weeks are critical to stopping Obamacare. If it isn’t brought to the floor before the August recess, Obama won’t have the month of August to “sell” this to the American people. Call your congressmen in the next two weeks, especially Nelson, Landrieu, Pryor, Lincoln, Bayh and of course Baucus and Conrad.

txmomof6 on July 7, 2009 at 5:36 PM

No more universal health care. End of story.

fourdeucer on July 7, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Yeah, she has super powers.

Esthier on July 7, 2009 at 5:36 PM

I’m planning my own operations. Buy a “surgery for dummies”,a good razor knife, snips, binder twine and a huge roll of duct tape.

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 5:26 PM

You forgot the bottle of Jack Daniels to deaden the pain.

txmomof6 on July 7, 2009 at 5:37 PM

Would be a good idea for those with the cash to by a slot in every medium to large newspsper in the country and publish this as an ad.

jeanie on July 7, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Unfortunately by then it will be too late. The next two weeks are critical to stopping Obamacare. If it isn’t brought to the floor before the August recess, Obama won’t have the month of August to “sell” this to the American people. Call your congressmen in the next two weeks, especially Nelson, Landrieu, Pryor, Lincoln, Bayh and of course Baucus and Conrad.

txmomof6 on July 7, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Evan Bayh is one of my Senators; I’ll certainly call him, but I seriously doubt he’ll vote against Obamacare.

Morgan on July 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Canadian healthcare sucks… I finally got a referral to a dermatologist at the end of May and I was told today I *might* get in by the end of September… I wish I lived in the US. :(

Trapped In Canada on July 7, 2009 at 5:47 PM

When Obama signs his two daughters up for the medical plan then I’ll sign on too. He could get 100% support if he’d insist that Congress sign on as well. Until that time, he’s going to face opposition from just about anyone with an IQ that’s even room temperature.

24K lady on July 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Evan Bayh is one of my Senators; I’ll certainly call him, but I seriously doubt he’ll vote against Obamacare.

Morgan on July 7, 2009 at 5:45 PM

He voted against the Omnibus budget and he is fiscally more reasonable than Obama. If you emphasize the bankrupt the country aspect of Obamacare you might make an impact. Worth a shot.

txmomof6 on July 7, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Canadian healthcare sucks… I finally got a referral to a dermatologist at the end of May and I was told today I *might* get in by the end of September… I wish I lived in the US. :(

Trapped In Canada on July 7, 2009 at 5:47 PM

I’m sorry to hear about that, but I wish more Americans heard your stories. Too many think Canada is health care utopia.

Esthier on July 7, 2009 at 5:51 PM

24K lady on July 7, 2009 at 5:50 PM

i’m as dumb as a box of rocks and i get it!

Ghoul aid on July 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Many think only of the fact that they think they won’t have to pay! And Oby and his henchmen do nothing to dispel that idea. I know otherwise intelligent people who have bought into this myth.

jeanie on July 7, 2009 at 5:59 PM

pretty brutal post.

Time for one of those “investigative reports” that the press does so well. You know the Pulitzer thing

“Comfort the Afflicted, Afflict the Comfortable”

Oh, wait, that only applies to capitalists….never mind.

Maybe in a few years, and lots of pain and suffering and deaths, they’ll move themselves to do a tiny report on some of the minor improvements that could be made in Obamacare (well, with your permission, boss)

r keller on July 7, 2009 at 6:01 PM

750: The estimated number of people waiting in line (in the pouring rain) at Britain’s Bury Office attempting to register for dental care.

While that explains it.

F15Mech on July 7, 2009 at 6:04 PM

This is a great post. I’m going to send a link to everyone in my address book. Thanks so much.

I wonder what the statistics are for infection in non-US hospitals. It’s bad enough here, but did you notice the picture with the ABC report? Where is that from? Don’t wash sheets; turn them over. BLECHHHH

pannw on July 7, 2009 at 6:07 PM

If this thing shows a glimmer of passing we have to head for DC—quick! O will have his phony picketers and DNC plants everywhere. I have been reading that this may be impossible to un-do once it’s settled in.

jeanie on July 7, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Thanks for this post. Great resource…will definitely be sharing it!!

OK_Nate on July 7, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Canadian healthcare sucks… I finally got a referral to a dermatologist at the end of May and I was told today I *might* get in by the end of September… I wish I lived in the US. :(

Trapped In Canada on July 7, 2009 at 5:47 PM

I hate to pour salt on your wounds, however do you know what the avg wait time would be for a non life threatening surgery? (Such as a torn ligament).

The reason I ask is because a couple of weeks ago I tore a ligament in my hand. It took 8 days and three Doctor visits to get me scheduled for surgery, the next day (the 9th day).

I received urgent treatment with-in an hour. Saw a Orthopedic surgeon 3 days later, who referred me to a hand specialist 4 days later. Once I saw the hand specialist (who said we want to operate within 10-14 days of this type of injury) I was scheduled for surgery the next day.

I could have been cut the time down a few days by scheduling the first Orthopedic surgeon with the hand specialist but I did not.

Can you expect that sort of care in Canada? or is that also a huge waiting list.

F15Mech on July 7, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Best post ever about the Universal Health Scare.

Congrats, DirectorBlue

notagool on July 7, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Too bad we can’t put an actual number on the amount of doctors who will retire, drastically reduce their workload, stop seeing Medicare, Medicaid or public option patients or simply not go into the field of medicine if this gets passed.

txmomof6 on July 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Looks like the Federal takeover of the health system is on! Obama is planning to appoint a national Health Care Czar. Effectively cutting out the states’ oversight agencies. Just now on Fox Business. Anyone have info?

ROCnPhilly on July 7, 2009 at 6:36 PM

It’s scheduled for September… check out the DC Tea Party info.

CC

CapedConservative on July 7, 2009 at 5:28 PM

Pardon the OT, but it looks like my local TeaParty folks are rabid Paulites, troothers and loons. The original tax day protest was great (aside from freezing my keister off in the rain), but after that, it seems like the nuts hijacked the local movement. Do you have info on this DC protest of which you write?

Laura in Maryland on July 7, 2009 at 6:51 PM

Too bad we can’t put an actual number on the amount of doctors who will retire, drastically reduce their workload, stop seeing Medicare, Medicaid or public option patients or simply not go into the field of medicine if this gets passed.

txmomof6 on July 7, 2009 at 6:33 PM

About 25% of MD’s practicing here are foreign born – a good deal of those docs are not just here for the $ they are here because they can actually practice medicine without being enslaved to their government. With that incentive gone – why stay here?

It’s not just the Doctors – about 15% of the RN population is from other countries – will they stay? Doubtful, since they come here to escape working in the national healthcare nightmare.

Obamacare will make our MD & RN shortage worse – creating yet another crisis. That crisis will require a government takeover solution.

About retirement or workload reduction -
With the implementation of Card Check and/or this being a national emergency (or something) retirement/workload reduction may not be an option.

batterup on July 7, 2009 at 7:42 PM

directorblue

This is a phenomenal post. Thank you for compiling all this data and presenting it in such a user friendly format.

This is issue is so important, maybe our hosts would consider leaving your article tacked up and allowing you to add more data as we approach the artificial deadline imposed for congressional voting the end of July?

batterup on July 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Well done. Nice post.

PersonalLiberty on July 7, 2009 at 7:59 PM

I’ll forward to everyone on the planet. Oh wait! I’m not a Facebook member. Guess it’s back to cut-and-paste in email.

liberty0 on July 7, 2009 at 10:46 PM

“And now the Democrat Party, the union bosses and the trial lawyers are launching the most massive attack on the American people in the history of government.”

Don’t forget ‘Cap and Tax.’

Voodoo on July 7, 2009 at 11:28 PM

Wow, EXCELLENT essay, directorblue. I haven’t read anything this good in some time. Thank you. Excellent.

Amy Proctor on July 8, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Excellent summation; should be tattooed to the backside of every member of Congress (both parties).

michaelo on July 7, 2009 at 4:32 PM

Actually it’s an excellent one sided summation. Too bad we can’t have a complete picture drawn in this debate.

mycowardice on July 8, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Actually it’s an excellent one sided summation. Too bad we can’t have a complete picture drawn in this debate.

mycowardice on July 8, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Actually, it’s a debunking of the one-sided summation that’s being thrust at us by a compliant and corrupt MSM and a grasping political elite.

Let me guess, you think you’re trying to be neutral, don’t you?

Merovign on July 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Let me guess, you think you’re trying to be neutral, don’t you?

Merovign on July 8, 2009 at 11:00 AM

No, but I know screaming one sided posts when I see them.

mycowardice on July 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM

I work in the N.H.S ,have done for twenty years but i don’t just blindly support it.

I work in a foundation hospital,we compete for patients, sell our service’s to other hospital’s including those in the private sector.The money goes back into the hospital.

96% of hospital’s have met its “18 weeks” waiting time target, whereby patients referred from a GP for further treatment start that treatment within 18 weeks

The average wait for treatment for patients admitted to hospital is now 8.6 weeks. Outpatients waited an average of 4.6 weeks at January 2009.
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Statistics/Performancedataandstatistics/18WeeksReferraltoTreatmentstatistics/index.htm

The clock starts when the hospital receives the patient’s referral letter from their GP or when the patient books their own hospital appointment via the electronic Choose and Book system.

http://www.chooseandbook.nhs.uk/
France and Sweden’s system’s are probably better then ours.

I don’t understand why it’s ok for million’s of children to be without insurance.

Do people really believe there is nothing negative with the U.S system?

mags on July 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM

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