Quote of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on July 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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“We were under incredible pressure from the world to release detainees at Gitmo. You just don’t know what people are going to do.” (via JWF)
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“You put your Left foot in, You pull your Left foot out….”
nationspatriotcom on July 7, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Shocker! Taliban commander goes back to work after freedom from prison. I would never have guessed it could happen. It’s to bad we don’t have something in the US that we could look at to see what sort of rate of recurrence there could be for violent people.
I hope the Marines find the btard first, and fast.
todler on July 7, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Ok, if we really need to take up a collection for bullets or rope, I’m in.
When did we forget how to deal with pirates and terrorists?
18-1 on July 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM
Who knew these were bad people?
If the world is so damn concerned with their release, why won’t they accept the detainees within their borders?
darii on July 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM
What’s the worst that could happen?
Jim Treacher on July 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM
I wonder if having so much information about him will make it easier to find and neutralize him.
Cindy Munford on July 7, 2009 at 9:37 PM
To provide the full context for the quote:
You certainly know what people are NOT going to do if they are kept at GITMO. This is beyond pathetic. F*ck world pressure. What the hell was “the world” going to do? Boycott the US? LOL. Anyone who follows “the world” is a moron.
progressoverpeace on July 7, 2009 at 9:38 PM
The treasonous imbeciles who release terrorists should be in Gitmo, too.
profitsbeard on July 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to bomb free.
whitetop on July 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM
NEWSFLASH: Palau is now an Al-Quaeda stronghold.
therightscoop on July 7, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Bush proven right.
the_nile on July 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM
We knew. We saw. And we see you letting them go.
Thanks 52, for enabling evil!
thebrokenrattle on July 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Obamamuertism of the day? The year?
Hog Wild on July 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Sounds like he governs better than Obama does.
Mark1971 on July 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM
These early evening QOTD threads is throwing me off.
Back on topic. This is like people being shocked that illegals are out comitting crimes. Hello!
SouthernGent on July 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM
Boy, I hate using profanities but there’s one word I really want to use.
Bite my tongue real hard.
SteveMG on July 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Idiocracy. It’s here.
fogw on July 7, 2009 at 9:47 PM
The article says he was released in late 2007.
SteveMG on July 7, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Just rented Body of Lies. Good Middle East spy yarn. Ridley Scott does it again.
John the Libertarian on July 7, 2009 at 9:51 PM
That’s just a distraction.
Ok, yea, I’m busted….
Hog Wild on July 7, 2009 at 9:52 PM
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. We are choosing political expediency over common sense and human life. How can the leaders of the United States be so stupid? How can we as a people? I’m ashamed.
ROCnPhilly on July 7, 2009 at 9:53 PM
I expect the “heavy world pressure” came from the Saudis so that potential leaders could return to the field.
BL@KBIRD on July 7, 2009 at 9:53 PM
LOL! Priceless! And so true!
Josiah on July 7, 2009 at 9:54 PM
Oh let’s be nice to them.
mankai on July 7, 2009 at 9:54 PM
good? I’ve been wanting to see that
blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:55 PM
It would be funny if it were happening to another country.
jukin on July 7, 2009 at 9:58 PM
Memo to the troops:
Just kill him this time, guys.
J.E. Dyer on July 7, 2009 at 9:59 PM
If America hadn’t bombed all the Afghan balloon factories and flower shops, this Zakir fellow might have had a job waiting for him.
Bishop on July 7, 2009 at 10:00 PM
If you put a well-placed bullet in them you know exactly what they will, or more appropriately, will not do.
Grafted on July 7, 2009 at 10:06 PM
WTF kind of political correct bulls… is this. We’re fighting a war here. This screwball is a terrorist that didn’t have the guts to uniform up to go to war but would surely saw the head off a captured soldier or reporter if he got the chance.
What the hell, Guantanamo wasn’t nice enough? He needed to be rehabiltaed in the Bahamas or some such rot?
Only solution to this kind of PC crap is to take no prisoners. Jeez we’ve become a country of whimps, fools, sissies and sheep and with Presidente Pinnochio in charge we are being led to the slaughter.
dhunter on July 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Remember, taking actions like this is winning the respect of the Islamic world.
Meanwhile, the current administration is (almost) silent when Islamic dictators oppress their people.
Somehow this latter silence isn’t going to affect their opinion of us.
Go figure.
SteveMG on July 7, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Air raiding. Not bombing. So sayeth THE WON (pbuh).
18-1 on July 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM
I have a friend who is down at Gitmo interrogating right now. He can’t say much about the terrorists, just keeps saying, “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”
RWLA on July 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM
The recidivism rate for Guantanamo detainees according to the Pentagon is 1 in 7 (that we know of). Given that number, I do not know why Obama wants to release these savages back into the wild (yeah Bush released this particular guy I know). Forget about the questionable morality of holding enemy combatants indefinitely without a trial (or simply a military tribunal), any one of these terrorists has the ability to cause harm to American soldiers and innocent civilians. I am totally okay with locking away these nuts and throwing away the key if it means the life on one American soldier or innocent civilian is saved. Anyway, the fact that this occurred should not shock anyone.
Shock the Monkey on July 7, 2009 at 10:27 PM
I still say we should release all these GITMO detainees….
From at least 20,000 feet.
Ok, make sure… 35,000 feet.
More time on the way down for them to get ready for their Virginians.
44Magnum on July 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM
There is only one word that even comes close to discribing the release of this animal based on “intense pressure from the world” or anywhere else. INSANE.
Whoever made that decision is personally and directly responsible for each and every death of the military personnel that now have to go back after him.
MikeA on July 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM
Has anyone actually gone into the reasons why Guantanamo was chosen in the first place? Seems few care about that. Any discussion of essential elements of the decision to use Guantanamo Naval Station were pushed aside by a vocal left and a dumbed-down (malevolent) MSM a long time ago.
Right now, the Obama Administration has few choices.
None of these are free of “unintended consequences.”
Obama can close the detention facilities. Which leads to another set of bad options. Doing so would result in a release all detainees to third parties, or just let them go, wherever they wish. Thus, we can bet on meeting many of them again, as is the case of our friend Mullah Zakir. Zakir earned his bones and his credibility for merely being held at Gitmo and being released. He played us…big time…as a former Vice President would say.us
We can execute the remaining “homeless/nationless” detainees. A suggestion that has been tossed about quite a lot, here at HotAir, and on other blogs. Is this what we have become? This Administration would never consider that…Nor would or should any…not this long after capture.
Obama could bring them here to the US, to be housed in US Federal Prisons. Without benefit of trial or arraignment? Doing so leads to several other bad options.
We would, under the Constitution and US Code (and in violation of Johnson v. Eisentrager) (see below) have to provide them with full habeus corpus rights. Once on US soil, they are “US persons.” We can then look forward to most being released into the general public, as landed immigrants, once the judicial system finds it cannot provide a “fair’ trial for them.
We could hold “kangaroo courts” to find them all guilty of whatever meets the circumstances. But, we are still a nation of laws and the Rule of Law…for now.
If they are released into the general public, if we follow the letter of the law, and Constitution, we wait for even one of the released detainees to be involved in any act of terrorism domestically, or be involved in conspiracy to commit acts of terror domestically, and then deal with a whole new rubric of political fallout.
Obama can keep the detention facilities open. Thus, he’d have to deal with with the major political fallout of breaking a much heralded first day in office Executive Order being ignored…repudiated, actually,by the signator of that Executive order. Obama would also have to explain to the rest of the world that we “have no other options” and deal with the fallout of that. Obama would thus also have to recognize the we are indeed in a global war on Islamofacist terrorism. In keeping Gitmo open, the Obama Adminsitration would end up sending more battlefield captees to Gitmo. The “Bagram Option” has already met with resistance…it violates Afghan sovereignty, openly.
The Obama Admnistration would also have to follow on point the Bush policy for Gitmo, and be prepared to hold those at Gitmo for over a decade or more…perhaps for life. Shades of Spandau Prison.
And then there is that little Cuban “problem.”
Legally, Cuban law covers non-US military persons at Guantanamo, under treaty agreements established long before Castro came to power. Fob it off on Cuba? Would a Castro regime be a willing player? For once Cuba accepts de facto jurisdiction of the detainees…thus involving a Cuban legal recognition of US Sovereignty over the US Naval Station at Guantanamo…would the Castro regime be willing to discard one of the fundamental pillars of Castro’s domestic and foreign policy…and recognize a foreign colony on Cuban soil?
I would hope that there are at least a few in the Administration, and in Congress, who are actually doing a decent and serious staff study on Gitmo, and actually raising serious questions about what can and can not be done, and then address the ramifications of each choice before allowing yet another spate of “promises” and hope and change instead of logic and legality to rule serious deliberations.
But, I doubt that is going on…no one wants to be tagged with keeping Gitmo open, not now, not any more.
Guantanamo is the only place on earth under US operational control that meets the specifications of Johnson v. Eisentrager [1950].
In J v. E, the U.S. Government argued, and the US Supreme Court determined that:
1. A nonresident enemy alien has no access to U.S. courts in wartime.
2. These nonresident enemy aliens, captured and imprisoned abroad, have no right to a writ of habeas corpus in a court of the United States. (See Ex parte Quirin)
3. The Constitution does not confer a right of personal security or immunity from military trial and punishment upon an alien enemy engaged in the hostile service of a government at war with the United States. (In this section the Army quoted the Geneva conventions, implicitly recognizing that the prisoners had rights and obligations under Geneva Conventions).
When J.v. E was ruled upon by the US Supreme Court, we still were an occupying army in post-war Germany, and we had full control of places such as Landsberg Prison (among others) where Germany civil law did not apply. Once the Occupation ended, German law conveyed on those still held in US/Allied Occupation prisons.
Many were released within months or even weeks.
So, reality bites.
If there were no Guantanamo Naval Station, most of the battlefield captees/enemy combatants would probably have been dead and buried a long long time ago…once any intelligence of value was derived. The Bush Administration actually thought this one out, a long time ago. For following the Rule of Law, and the Constitution, Bush was soundly condemned in almost all quarters.
One of these days, soon, I hope, history will be much kinder on Bush than the Code Pinkers, Obama, and the Left in general, who still want to rule by “feelings” and penumbras…the Rule of Law, and the Constitution, be damned.
coldwarrior on July 7, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Here’s the quote of the day. Levin Schooling Powell.
V15J on July 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM
“Memo to the troops:
Just kill him this time, guys.
J.E. Dyer on July 7, 2009 at 9:59 PM”
I notice we’re not hearing a lot about “new” detainees.
Good!
Star20 on July 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM
And I’m reading “Child 44″ and wondering if I’m reading about our future in America instead of what happened in the Soviet Union in the 50’s.
Scary stuff, great book.
Knucklehead on July 7, 2009 at 10:56 PM
October 6, 1993
infidel4life on July 7, 2009 at 10:57 PM
It is like releasing a level three sex offender from jail. That individual, who has shown no remorse for his previous crimes and expecting that individual to not re-offend. This example may be considered a poor one to compare to a known terrorist, but sometimes extreme scenarios can equal each other in merit and disgrace. The disgrace is in the minds of people who let a known entity loose while expecting a positive outcome.
Americannodash on July 7, 2009 at 10:59 PM
I don’t have a problem letting them go as long as they insert some nifty little tracking/listening devices in their vital organs before they walk. That would be smart intel.
Socmodfiscon on July 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
So we can attribute the deaths of two of our brave soldiers this week to a cowardly government that cannot withstand “incredible pressure from the world”.
You know what incredible pressure is? When you’re on the 100th floor of a burning building and your choices come down to being incinerated or hurling yourself out the window.
guntotinglibertarian on July 7, 2009 at 11:18 PM
These are the same folks you see in the movies who walk into a room the creepy noises are coming from.
Limerick on July 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM
For post of the day, I nominate I Still Hate You, Sarah Palin, a satire up at NRO.
Terrie on July 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM
No, those are always babes in tank tops. I don’t think I could bear to see Janet Napolitano in a ripped wife- beater.
guntotinglibertarian on July 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Here’s a thought, tell ‘em to either take a prisoner home with them or STFU!
GarandFan on July 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Janet Napolitano…in a wife beater? Time to wash my eyes out with Jack Daniels. Janet Reno was bad enough.
coldwarrior on July 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM
Is ICE running a Catch & Release program for Gitmo and Afghanistan? I’ve heard ICE has had a lot of succes with the C&R program on our southern border.
c3ichief on July 7, 2009 at 11:37 PM
Man up, buddy, or I’ll send ya a jpeg of Sotomayor in a see-through babydoll.
guntotinglibertarian on July 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM
I prefer my “wise Latinas” to be more of this caliber…
Alessandra Ambrosio
But, thanks for the Sotomayor offer. :-)
coldwarrior on July 7, 2009 at 11:47 PM
OH,OH,OH,..pick me!!!…pick me!!….I can tell ya!!!..I can tell ya!!!
christene on July 7, 2009 at 11:54 PM
An amendment to a bill swiftly moving through the US Congress will allow the Obama Administration’s Attorney General to classify Americans as domestic terrorists if they are pro-life, pro-gun and anti-big government… He’s also proposed the creation of “emergency camps” that are nothing more than prisons,” warns political strategist Mike Baker.
But how does Alcee Hastings feel about Gitmo?
Akzed on July 8, 2009 at 12:22 AM
Combine this with Black Panther Bobby Rush’s gun-control bill and Jose Serrano’s bill advocating the repeal of the 22nd Amendment and we have…Venezuela X2.
guntotinglibertarian on July 8, 2009 at 12:31 AM
What’s the worst that could happen?
Jim Treacher on July 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM
………………………………
Well, he could be elected Senator from Minnesota.
Nah, make that Michigan, Dearborn will put him over the top!
Joe Pyne on July 8, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Your more right than you know. Obama has put the soldier into the th position that he can’t afford to take prisoners. Nobody can walk off the battlefield, because they will be free as a bird later. pathetic Obama. pathetic.
portlandon on July 8, 2009 at 12:38 AM
Then there is the growing possibility that Gitmo stays open…
And, detainees (even if found “not guilty”) would stay incarcerated.
That rush job press/photo op signing that Executive Order (Copy here) may be a nail on Obama’s coffin insofar as the vocal Left is concerned…if he doesn’t produce results. And, apparently, other than more platitudes and empty promises, that hopey changey stuff, Obama can’t.
Obama thought merely saying it was so would suffice…
Obama, meet Reality.
coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 12:43 AM
That was perfect!
How oh how do we compete against the Democrat depravity?
petunia on July 8, 2009 at 1:31 AM
I say we put the detainees on a ship, and sail it in the Bermuda triangle until it vanishes.
darktood on July 8, 2009 at 1:42 AM
Thanks coldwarrior,
your insight and presentation of the Gitmo situation is informative and superior to anything coming from the Obama administration.
Obama may be breaking his word on Indefinite detention so that he can go there and practice negotiating with them:
Negotiating with Terrorists
The Obama administration ignores a longstanding — and life-saving — policy.
By Andrew C. McCarthy
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODFkYTU2MjBmMTE5MDUzZTEzZWMyMTE5ZWZjNWI4Mjg=
Good thing we have a failed community organizer in the White House because the long history of failure in trying to negotiate with dictators and terrorist would look awfully stupid coming from someone who actually has a record of accomplishment.
Just another day of idiocy coming from Obama.
Good thing he has the policies of Bush that he can follow behind and emulate concerning fighting the “War on Terror”:
These were all war crimes according to liberals when Bush was President.
Now that Obama is President,it’s “smart power”.
democrats….NO…CREDIBILITY…..WHAT…SO…EVER!!!!!
Baxter Greene on July 8, 2009 at 2:28 AM
Better QOTD:
“Obama’s ability to charm is his greatest strength and Putin is not a guy that can be charmed,” Kuchins said late yesterday.
Ugly on July 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM
“under incredible pressure from the world to release them”.Who ever was exerting the pressure can GFO.
DDT on July 8, 2009 at 2:38 AM
It’s called the American Way.
DDT on July 8, 2009 at 2:39 AM
Another Memo to the Troops:
Shoot to Kill/Take NO Prisoners
BigMike252 on July 8, 2009 at 2:44 AM
LOL…+100!
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 8, 2009 at 3:58 AM
I think we need to return them to the middle east. Put them in a field. Give them a weapon. Then, Mirandize them… I think that begins with “You have the right to remain silent”…
CC
CapedConservative on July 8, 2009 at 4:23 AM
FOX News won’t name their source.
National Security Secret or Threat?
No.
This senior U.S. defense official confirmed to FOX News on Tuesday that they were under incredible pressure to release the terrorists. What a pussie, safe in a bureaucratic office, feeling threatened under incredible pressure, as if there were a gun or hacksaw to his/her head, as if in the line of fire, as if in combat. This breed of defense official is contemptible. The blood of every life lost fighting to capture these terrorists is on the hands of this “defense official” breed for not standing up to win the bureaucratic battles for American security.
Indulgent, like giving in to spoiled children whining for more candy, letting loose the terrorists, closing Gitmo to appease a loud minority against the will of the majority voice, AND against all logic. SABOTEURS. Even Gore says that political will is a renewable resource: GET THE WILL TO PROTECT AMERICA.
maverick muse on July 8, 2009 at 4:31 AM
True Grit. In thinking of POTUS material, I always project a face off between a candidate vs. Putin. During the primary campaign it was Fred! hands down. You can’t afford to blink. You can’t fabricate your qualifications with Putin who has his act together, absolutely. Against Putin, Obama’s a ninny, a wannabe, smirk material for Russian authoritarians to use. Same with Hillary.
maverick muse on July 8, 2009 at 4:45 AM
It’s simple, just change gitmos name, and they’re no longer at gitmo
Jeff from WI on July 8, 2009 at 6:10 AM
More evidence of the incompetence of President Pantywaist. Not only is he going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq, he has decided to make Afghanistan his nation building project. And in doing so, he also sends the enemy its leaders. Will the sychophant media bring this up in a press conference?
pearson on July 8, 2009 at 7:11 AM
He was released and sent back to Afghanistan by Bush/Cheney if the report is accurate.
M_Laveau on July 8, 2009 at 7:37 AM
another ‘Doh!’ moment for this administration….
agree with those above, take no prisoners…you think they are giving the captured US soldier in Afghanistan the 5 star treatment like they were getting at Gitmo? providing him with a bible, etc….I don’t think so…
cmsinaz on July 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM
How about Club Akmed? Sorta has that Islamist day spa sound to it.
highhopes on July 8, 2009 at 7:48 AM
You have to ask? They gave the filthy liar in the White House a pass on Iran, why on earth would they offer incovenient questions on his terrorist friendly policies?
Obama loves terrorists and the media loves Obama. Therefore, the media loves terrorists. It really is that simple and disgusting.
highhopes on July 8, 2009 at 7:50 AM
highhopes on July 8, 2009 at 7:48 AM
cmsinaz on July 8, 2009 at 7:51 AM
The solution is to stop taking prisoners.
Sic Puppy on July 8, 2009 at 8:03 AM
lol
Jeff from WI on July 8, 2009 at 8:09 AM
Change prisoners attitudes. I suggest letting them form a marching bagpipe band complete with kilts.
Jeff from WI on July 8, 2009 at 8:10 AM
Just who are you employed by? Who did you swear to serve?
Repeat after me,”America first,the rest of the world after America is safe”.
oldernwiser on July 8, 2009 at 8:10 AM
Great stuff. The sad truth is that the liberal stupidity that now neuters the administration, and always neutered the State Department, has fully penetrated the DoD. And with Ogabe running things, the eunuchs in DoD are looking to shine and advance their careers (and pensions) quickly, before the adults come back.
Jaibones on July 8, 2009 at 8:35 AM
Memo to the troops:
Just kill him this time, guys.
J.E. Dyer on July 7, 2009
I assume they have photos of this guy from Gitmo they can disseminate with a shoot-on-sight order.
SKYFOX on July 8, 2009 at 8:51 AM
“You put your Left foot in, You pull your Left foot out….”
nationspatriotcom on July 7, 2009 at 9:32 PM
“You stick you head up your a$$ and you spin it all about,
You do the Bama pokey and you turn yourself around…”
Kind of fits our Commie in Chief :)
Thanks for the laugh!!
Rob
rgranger on July 8, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Terrie on July 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM
He’s mad isn’t he. We need to take his advice and get just as angry. My favorite line is the one that says the Democrats are a criminal organization masquerading as a political party. One of the truest things I’ve heard in a long, long time.
jeanie on July 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Does anyone want to take odds on whether the marines will capute him alive this time?
.
100 to 1 against.
barnone on July 8, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Nothing can go wrong…go wrong…go wrong……
Johan Klaus on July 8, 2009 at 9:56 AM
And…
If Cuba, in an act to impress the rest of the world, going all soft and mushy and peaceful, decides to recognize US sovereignty over Guantanamo, there will be a huge financial payoff…Cuba will probably want to cash those annual US Treasury lease checks (going back to 1959) and with simple interest, that’s a pile of US Dollars.
Then, the detainees are given over to Cubnan law…and since none of them have violated any Cuban law, nor committed any crimes on Cuban soil…all the detainees are set free.
Cuba gets a huge pile of money it has refused to recognize, it makes big friends with the Islamists jihadis…and it can then negotiate a new treaty to cover Guantanamo, resulting, most likely, in this Administration closing all of Gitmo, not just the detention facilities…and Russia, China, and Venezuela have access to one of the best natural harbors in the Western hemisphere.
So…will Cuba do this?
coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Well this is understandable, since the EVIL BOOOSH obviously had him waterboarded before they released him.
Oh, you mean he wasn’t waterboarded? Then why did he go back to the Taliban. We gave him three squares and a Koran. Why would he want to go back to killing americans?
I know, if we would have just read him the Miranda Rights, he would LOVE america.
PappaMac on July 8, 2009 at 11:40 AM
The only truly effective method of “waterboarding.”
coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Bush was right to let this guy go?
orange on July 8, 2009 at 12:13 PM
What is your evidence for saying that Obama loves terrorists? Bush is the one who let this guy go. Does he love terrorists?
orange on July 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM
You do realize that our Founding Fathers were also ‘too gutless’ to wear uniforms to go to war, right?
Dont misunderstand me – I’m not equating the two. I’m just pointing out that it’s silly to say that anybody who doesnt wear a uniform in war is automatically evil. Dont judge somebody by their clothes; judge them by their actions.
orange on July 8, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Let’s look at that list:
Rendition – was wrong under Bush, still wrong under Obama.
Enhanced interrogation- torture was wrong under Bush, still wrong under Obama.
Indefinite detention – holding people without any oversight was wrong under Bush, still wrong under Obama.
Military Tribunals – nobody ever said this was a war crime.
Signing Statements – nobody ever said this was a war crime. In fact, they can be useful, but Bush overused them to extreme degrees. If Obama does the same, it will be wrong when he does it.
NSA wiretapping – spying on people without oversight was wrong under Bush, still wrong under Obama.
Bombing villages and killing civilians with drone attacks – are you saying that you support killing civilians?
Keeping troops in Iraq based on conditions on the ground – nobody ever said this was a war crime.
Hope that helps.
orange on July 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Bovine excrement.
Even the rag tag Continental Army wore uniforms…and had devices placed on their collar, shoulders or head gear designating their unit or colony.
There was a precedent for this. It was a form of self-preservation upon capture, as the British Army routinely hanged any persons carrying a weapon who posed a threat to British formations who was not in a uniform. Bandits (i.e., non-uniform or non-nation identifiable persons committing hostile acts) were to be summarily executed.
Only one or two of the Founding Fathers wore a uniform, as they held commissions from one of the colonies or from the Continental Congress itself…the rest of the Founding Fathers were civilians, and not engaged in military activities, nor committing hostile acts against British soldiers.
Your comparison is faulty. Weak.
coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 12:40 PM
To say that you are engaged in revisionism is to be polite.
coldwarrior on July 8, 2009 at 12:41 PM
A) You arent making a good case for yourself
but
B) Thank you for being polite. Much nicer than calling me bovine excrement!
orange on July 8, 2009 at 1:28 PM
US of A!
…
ElRonaldo on July 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Looks like we are now the post-grad school for terrorist leaders.
ElRonaldo on July 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM
All you have to do is put the bastards in Clark County,WA jail for a week and they will spill their guts. They would have to – the food and conditions are so filthy and inhumane as to wonder which country you’re in. At least they get to see daylight. Fuck the bastards!!!
LarryG on July 8, 2009 at 7:24 PM
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