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Gallup’s poll on the morally objectionable

posted at 8:52 pm on July 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Gallup apparently got the idea to conduct this survey from the Mark Sanford mess, but beyond that, the data presents some interesting comparisons.  Are there any taboos left in American life on which we can have broad agreement?  Yes there are, although surprisingly few.  Here are the taboos still getting majority agreement:

  • Married men and women having affairs: 92%
  • Polygamy: 91%
  • Cloning humans: 88%
  • Suicide: 80%
  • Cloning animals: 63%
  • Abortion: 56%

Compare the above list to those issues that are no longer considered taboos by the majority.  Sex between unmarried adults only gets 40% support as a taboo, but gay or lesbian relations are 47% taboo, with 49% calling them morally acceptable, the only statistical tie on the list.  Bearing children outside of marriage is narrowly considered morally acceptable, 51%-45%.  Of all the choices, divorce and the death penalty have the least amount of support for being taboo, only 30%.  Gambling and wearing fur are more taboo, as is medical research on animals.

On affairs, the polling on that is remarkably consistent across time and political viewpoints.  The number calling it a taboo has increased over the last eight years, from 89% to 92%.  Republicans oppose it more than Democrats, but the difference is hardly remarkable (97% and 89%, respectively).  Clearly, politicians expecting a long and successful career could hardly do worse than to get caught in an extramarital affair in either party.  They’d be better off being polygamists, except for the legal bills.

What got left off the list entirely is also interesting.  Gallup didn’t ask about incest, pedophilia/pederasty, murder, or theft.  Apparently (and thankfully), those are such universally-accepted taboos that Gallup didn’t feel the need to ask.  Let’s hope that continues. (via US News)


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Unfortunately, an affair hasn’t yet hurt our slimy mayor, Tony Villar.

LASue on July 7, 2009 at 8:57 PM

I think threads without comments are taboo.

So here’s my contribution to morality for the day.

JohnGalt23 on July 7, 2009 at 8:57 PM

They should have asked whether inconsequential polls should be taboo.

jgapinoy on July 7, 2009 at 8:58 PM

What got left off the list entirely is also interesting. Gallup didn’t ask about incest, pedophilia/pederasty, murder, or theft. Apparently (and thankfully), those are such universally-accepted taboos that Gallup didn’t feel the need to ask.

Unless you can moonwalk. Then we’ll overlook the pederasty.

Ted Torgerson on July 7, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Ed, you forgot the ultimate taboo.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Apparently (and thankfully), those are such universally-accepted taboos that Gallup didn’t feel the need to ask. Let’s hope that continues. (via US News)

Are they? Or is that stuff just the second tier. If same sex reltionships becomes mainstream, why would sex with animals or children be taboo the next time these polls are done? After all, if we say love between two dudes is okay why not a dude and a goat? Neither the dude on dude or the dude on goat “relationship” is a normal lifestyle or makes biological sense but if you defend dude on dude you had better be on the side of goat love.

highhopes on July 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM

No Madoff?

Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Child molestation? I’d say that’s gotta be up there…

Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:03 PM

I heard about 30 seconds of Jacko’s memorial service. It was where is brother was talking about how much they like to play baseball and playing and beating Gordy’s (Motown Mogul) kids. He talked about all the games they played, the laughing, joking,etc.

So, please, no more of this crap that he was weird because he never got to play like the other kids, therefore, it is only natural that he would want to sleep with latino or caucasian boys between the ages of 12 and 13 years.

Blake on July 7, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Is cougar hunting taboo

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Is cougar hunting taboo

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:07 PM

trendy now-a-days

Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Apparently a high percentage of people engaged in extra-marital affairs nevertheless respond that it is immoral.

dedalus on July 7, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Here are the taboos still getting majority agreement:

BB hitting on all of the HA cougars: 100%

txag92 on July 7, 2009 at 9:09 PM

I didn’t think I would ever say this, but I’m getting sick of Hot Air and the people on here and what they think is important.

suzyk on July 7, 2009 at 9:09 PM

highhopes on July 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Trust me, if you see sex between consenting, unrelated adults as being analogous to sex between human beings and animals, it says more about you than it does about gay people.

Siobhan on July 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Frottage?
Corpse-boinking?

whitetop on July 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Here are the taboos still getting majority agreement:

BB hitting on all of the HA cougars: 100%

txag92 on July 7, 2009 at 9:09 PM

You gals like it…

Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:11 PM

So, please, no more of this crap that he was weird because he never got to play like the other kids, therefore, it is only natural that he would want to sleep with latino or caucasian boys between the ages of 12 and 13 years.

Blake on July 7, 2009 at 9:05 PM

You are right in the sense that his upbringing shouldn’t be the excuse for his weirdness in his 40s. You are wrong in this sense- Some of the videos shown this week left me with the impression of a trained monkey moonwalking or dancing on demand whenever the music started playing. You can’t totally discount his upbringing when assessing the pathetic human being he bacame.

highhopes on July 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM

What got left off the list entirely is also interesting.

Actually, they are the only interesting ones. A taboo isn’t just anything that is morally objectionable, but something that is so culturally repugnant that no one even wants to talk about it.

progressoverpeace on July 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Flag burning, slandering our troops, declaring wars lost, how do those rate on the taboo scale?

Bishop on July 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Are Michelle Obama’s arms taboo?

Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Apparently (and thankfully), those are such universally-accepted taboos that Gallup didn’t feel the need to ask.

Maybe they were terrified at the answer.

BacaDog on July 7, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Trust me, if you see sex between consenting, unrelated adults as being analogous to sex between human beings and animals, it says more about you than it does about gay people.

Siobhan on July 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM

I never said that. Please re-read without your own bias on the fore of your comprehension. Your intolerance is evident.

highhopes on July 7, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Modern taboos are throwing recyclables in the garbage and driving an SUV.

gridlock2 on July 7, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Where is ‘Electing a Community Organizer to the Highest Office in the Land’ on the list???

BigWyo on July 7, 2009 at 9:22 PM

63% of people think that cloning animals is immoral, though they may be eating from cloned cattle or the clone’s offspring since the FDA doesn’t require special labeling meat produced from the cloning process.

Also of the 63%, it might be interesting to see how many would clone a deceased pet. It is currently done, though expensive.

As time goes on the moral questions surrounding cloning will become much more intricate as technologies allow for genetic selection or manipulation during reproduction. Stamping out 100 identical copies of yourself will be taboo, but eliminating unwanted traits won’t.

dedalus on July 7, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Modern taboos are throwing recyclables in the garbage and driving an SUV.
gridlock2 on July 7, 2009 at 9:22 PM

I was going to say that disagreeing with gorebal wormening was the new modern taboo until I remembered that it’s actually treason.

Bishop on July 7, 2009 at 9:24 PM

You gals like it…
Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:11 PM

I’d say so.

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Lol bishop
gorebal warming

love it

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Modern taboos are throwing recyclables in the garbage and driving an SUV.

and lighting up…unles you possess a messianic aura.

whitetop on July 7, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Ed, you forgot the ultimate taboo.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Classic. It never gets old!

Nethicus on July 7, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Depends on the company. Conservatism and Christianity are major taboos among the wine-sipping liberal elite.

John the Libertarian on July 7, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Are Michelle Obama’s arms taboo?

Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:15 PM

No. But likening her to a mythical species from a 1960’s sci-fi television show with an overacting Canadian star is.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 9:34 PM

You gals like it…
Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:11 PM
I’d say so.

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:24 PM

I know someone who would love it.

txag92 on July 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Modern taboos are throwing recyclables in the garbage and driving an SUV.

gridlock2 on July 7, 2009 at 9:22 PM

What about fishing for/eating SEA KITTENS

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Christianity seems taboo today

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 9:36 PM

You are right in the sense that his upbringing shouldn’t be the excuse for his weirdness in his 40s. You are wrong in this sense- Some of the videos shown this week left me with the impression of a trained monkey moonwalking or dancing on demand whenever the music started playing. You can’t totally discount his upbringing when assessing the pathetic human being he bacame.

highhopes on July 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM

Sure I can. His brother’s had the same upbringing. They were all entertainers. They do the same thing over and over – thousands of times. It’s called performing – not abuse. They like it and they are rewarded handsomely for it. He also controlled his own life when he reached 18 and had enough money to work or not work. Most people do the same damn thing every day on command and don’t receive a fraction of what the Jacksons’ receive.

Blake on July 7, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Gallup didn’t ask about incest, pedophilia/pederasty, murder, or theft. Apparently (and thankfully), those are such universally-accepted taboos that Gallup didn’t feel the need to ask. Let’s hope that continues.

I guess you missed Congress and the state media honoring a deceased pedophile for the last week or so.

18-1 on July 7, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Are Michelle Obama’s arms taboo?

Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:15 PM

I don’t think so but those MONSTER HIPS are.

CC

CapedConservative on July 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Taboo today? Discussing Barack Obama’s faith.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Modern taboos are throwing recyclables in the garbage and driving an SUV.

gridlock2 on July 7, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Hmm, the godking of liberalism has no problem driving around in SUVs, and I have a strong suspicion he does not recycle.

18-1 on July 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Unfortunately, an affair hasn’t yet hurt our slimy mayor, Tony Villar.

LASue on July 7, 2009 at 8:57 PM

???

His affair is likely the main reason he decided not to run for Governor.

The Race Card on July 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM

How about taking money from other people’s kids and giving it to Barack Obama’s friends? Does that rate a high taboo percentage?

18-1 on July 7, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Where does presidential middle names fall on that list?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM

No Madoff?

Upstater85 on July 7, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Madoff should have gotten the Chinese treatment. He should have been led down a quiet cinder block hall flanked by two guards. After about halfway through, one guard puts a 9 mm shell in the back of his head. That’s how you take care of them.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM

highhopes on July 7, 2009 at 9:02 PM

How much time do you devote to thinking about being gay?

The Race Card on July 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Taboo today? Discussing Barack Obama’s faith.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM

What faith?……

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM

I know someone who would love it.
txag92 on July 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM

you love it

and don’t post a photo like that again

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Exactly.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 9:47 PM

Where does presidential middle names fall on that list?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 9:44 PM

I think the immorality order goes something like

speeding
sneaking fireworks into liberal states
cheating on your taxes
armed robbery
murder
eating live kittens while nuking Paris
intoning the name that must never be said

18-1 on July 7, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Blake on July 7, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Yea but his bros were older
Michael has had no life

I’ve heard recordings of him saying one of his greatest wishes in life was to be able to go to a store
like a normal person and talk to normal people about normal things

that’s sad to me
regardless of what happened with children

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:50 PM

18-1 on July 7, 2009 at 9:49 PM

You only gunney sack the live kittens.
/

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 7, 2009 at 9:50 PM

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Screw Thriller. Off The Wall was my favorite Michael album.

FlyoverJ-HawkFan on July 7, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Except for the fact that Polygamy, in large, is done according the free will of all persons who participate in it. Nobody is harmed. (You can’t extrapolate those rare instances of child abuse). And polygamy, mind you, was practiced by most of our beloved prophets in the Old Testament.

Having an affair is almost always against the wishes of the spouse and children, and it ruins the participant’s and his/her family’s lives.

Suicide only depresses the participant’s family, and if you believe in an afterlife, the participant is much worse off.

Cloning humans is unnatural, but I can’t find any more criticism for it than that.

Abortion is against the free will of those whose life is terminated, and can be considered murder.

I’m sorry, but I don’t see how polygamy is still so widely seen as morally objectionable. It is a practice long sanctioned (and in some cases, commanded) by God in the Bible. It is practiced all over Africa and Asia. And it is clearly different than the other things on the list.

iamse7en on July 7, 2009 at 9:54 PM

That’s because America has gone down the tubes.

Time for us all to move back to the countries of our ancestors.

MaximusConfessor on July 7, 2009 at 9:54 PM

I didn’t think I would ever say this, but I’m getting sick of Hot Air and the people on here and what they think is important.

suzyk on July 7, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Don’t let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out.

davidk on July 7, 2009 at 9:55 PM

I notice on both this and the Ohio poll they forgot to ask about “gay marriage”.

Rocks on July 7, 2009 at 10:00 PM

I didn’t think I would ever say this, but I’m getting sick of Hot Air and the people on here and what they think is important.

suzyk on July 7, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Sorry your majesty. Next time command how we should respond to topics.

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 10:02 PM

I didn’t think I would ever say this, but I’m getting sick of Hot Air and the people on here and what they think is important.
suzyk on July 7, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Are your feelings important?

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 10:02 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Arrrrghhh!

jgapinoy on July 7, 2009 at 10:04 PM

Most people do the same damn thing every day on command and don’t receive a fraction of what the Jacksons’ receive.

Blake on July 7, 2009 at 9:37 PM

I agree with you about 99%

My only point was that Jackson did not have a normal upbringing amid a successful career in the public life. MJ was a media star from the age of 12. It takes huge character to rise above that and Jackson never did.

highhopes on July 7, 2009 at 10:05 PM

And polygamy, mind you, was practiced by most of our beloved prophets in the Old Testament.

Most? There’s Abraham, & he certainly suffered the consequences for it (so has Israel).
David & Solomon also were demonstrable failures in all aspects of family life, & they suffered for it.
What other “prophet” was polygamous?

jgapinoy on July 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Wearing fur is more taboo than divorce? Sad.

KS Rex on July 7, 2009 at 10:09 PM

txag92 on July 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM

Be still my heart :P

FontanaConservative on July 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM

What other “prophet” was polygamous?

jgapinoy on July 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Muhammad.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 7, 2009 at 10:12 PM

you love it

and don’t post a photo like that again

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 9:46 PM

YES SIR MR. BB!

txag92 on July 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM

His brother’s had the same upbringing. They were all entertainers. They do the same thing over and over – thousands of times. It’s called performing – not abuse. They like it and they are rewarded handsomely for it. He also controlled his own life when he reached 18 and had enough money to work or not work. Most people do the same damn thing every day on command and don’t receive a fraction of what the Jacksons’ receive.

Blake on July 7, 2009 at 9:37 PM

One difference is that from the beginning that it was all about Michael- not the brothers. No Tito Jackson albums.

I ultimately blame Joe Jackson for the way he whored out his kids.

highhopes on July 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Why would people even care about polygamy? I really wish people would stay out of their neighbors bedrooms.

KMC1 on July 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Gallup didn’t ask about incest, pedophilia/pederasty, murder, or theft.

That’s because the Anti-American/Progressive/Liberal/Democratic Agenda in this country is all about those exact things, with Homosexuality, Abortion, Beastiality, Polygamy, Polyandry, etc.

That’s been their agenda for over 40 years plus, going back to Kinsey and his corrupt, perverted clique of Academic Hollywoodite Perverts.

Once you break down all taboos, morales, ethics, values, etc., then anything and everything is wide open to them.

Witness Scandanavia & Holland, where open approval of Homosexuality has led to the absolute destruction of the institution of Marriage and all morals, values, ethics, and religious underpinnings (except for their Dhimmitudish surrender to Radical Islam).

Now, “group marriages”, “human-animal” marriages, etc., have been approved, and regular marriage is so in disfavor, that it’s a dead and dying institution in all of Europe.

Sex-trips to the Far East for pederastic/pedophiliac purposes are as common as American College kids going to Cancun, and soon, that last barrier will be removed there, as well.

I’m not a religious person; in fact, I’ve been a dedicated Athesist, since the age of about 10 or 11; but I’m smart enough to see, that the Anti-American/Liberal/Progressive/Democratic Agenda in this country, matches what their counterparts in Europe have successfully implemented, and it’s only a matter of time here, as well.

We truly are, living in amoral, evil times!

Dale in Atlanta on July 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM

txag92 on July 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM

Do it again and you get a spanking

blatantblue on July 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Why would people even care about polygamy? I really wish people would stay out of their neighbors bedrooms.

KMC1 on July 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM

a post that just preceeded mine, that proves my point exactly!

Dale in Atlanta on July 7, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Most? There’s Abraham, & he certainly suffered the consequences for it (so has Israel).
David & Solomon also were demonstrable failures in all aspects of family life, & they suffered for it.
What other “prophet” was polygamous?

jgapinoy on July 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM

Uh. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and even Moses. Those are the major ones. In fact, it was tradition (first set by law in the OT) among Jews, that when the husband of a woman died, the husband’s brother would take the widow as his wife, thus the brother would have 2 wives. Polygamy was the NORM in the Bible. And Jesus came not to change that law, but to fulfill it.

iamse7en on July 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Near as I can tell, one relativly new tabboo is being a christian, heterosexual, conservitive white male with a job. Almost nobody thinks that is acceptable anymore.

MikeA on July 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

But the House passed a “hate crimes” bill in April and refused an ammendment clarifying that “sexual orientation” did not include pedophilia (or necrophilia, etc). Apparently opposing the gay agenda is more taboo than common sense clarification of language that will become law to not include the whoel gamut of perversions.

AnotherOpinion on July 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM

92 percent believe it is taboo to have an affair? Considering the huge number of married people having affairs, they must mean taboo for everyone but them.

Corsair on July 7, 2009 at 11:41 PM

The really telling point about that poll is the fact that morality is applied to animals. The cloning of animals cannot be a morality issue, since it does not refer to human on human behaviour.

OldEnglish on July 8, 2009 at 12:48 AM

Dale in Atlanta on July 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM

True, that.

Human (women and child) trafficking is a huge problem. Our public schools are rife with teacher-student sex – I read about it in the news regularly.

I remember reading in the Brussels Journal about a Dutchman who “married” 2 sisters. The three of them live together. Disgusting.

atheling on July 8, 2009 at 2:33 AM

The cloning of animals cannot be a morality issue, since it does not refer to human on human behaviour.

OldEnglish on July 8, 2009 at 12:48 AM

But it can lead to monster science between humans and animals. I believe I read an article about something like that going on in the UK recently.

atheling on July 8, 2009 at 2:35 AM

Polygamy was the NORM in the Bible. And Jesus came not to change that law, but to fulfill it.

iamse7en on July 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM

You’re correct that polygamy was the norm in the old Testament. However, you’ll also find that it was not a practice limited to Semitic people (and polygamy is still practiced among Muslims today). It was also regularly practiced in Asia (concubinage), Africa and the Americas.

The ancient Romans, however, practiced monogamy in marriage (though adultery was rampant), and after the Roman Empire fell, the Roman Catholic Church’s influence throughout the Holy Roman Empire propagated that tradition which was refined to what is normative in modern Western civilization.

atheling on July 8, 2009 at 2:44 AM

suzyk@9:09
+1

DDT on July 8, 2009 at 2:46 AM

I’m sorry, but I don’t see how polygamy is still so widely seen as morally objectionable. It is a practice long sanctioned (and in some cases, commanded) by God in the Bible. It is practiced all over Africa and Asia. And it is clearly different than the other things on the list.

iamse7en on July 7, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Polygamy degrades women to the status of property and breeders.

‘Nuff said.

atheling on July 8, 2009 at 3:05 AM

Polygamy degrades women to the status of property and breeders.

‘Nuff said.

atheling on July 8, 2009 at 3:05 AM

Now you’re sounding like a liberal. That is absolutely untrue and ridiculous. These polygamist families choose to have children and how many, as a family unit, and you are degrading them by calling it ‘breeding.’ How are they property? In what ways are they enslaved? What freedoms do they lack that other women and mothers enjoy?

I personally know a few polygamist mothers, and they couldn’t be happier choosing the life they live. They see their husband’s other wives as sisters and close friends. They believe their husband has the capacity to love more than one women just as a parent has the capacity to love more than one child.

From a purely political standpoint, these people are choosing, for themselves, to live a life that brings them happiness and does no harm to anyone else. It’s ridiculous that the government criminalizes it. Look at it from their perspective. You have a family style that is criminalized, and a modern style of extra-marital affairs throughout the world that is fine according to law. That doesn’t add up. Of course, I don’t think adultery should be criminalized either, but polygamy is a life style they choose and it doesn’t harm anyone.

Of course, if there are cases of child abuse (which are VERY rare in these communities), then that should be criminalized.

The happiness and self-esteem attributed to many of these mothers is too great to casually say the family unit in which choose to live causes them to be “property” or “breeders.”

‘Nuff said.

iamse7en on July 8, 2009 at 4:05 AM

Gallup didn’t ask about incest, pedophilia/pederasty, murder, or theft.

Boy, wouldn’t that be awkward for a pollster to get a “no” response on.

Hawkins1701 on July 8, 2009 at 5:25 AM

iamse7en on July 8, 2009 at 4:05 AM

You cite polygamy in Muslim countries while denying that women and offspring are treated as property. For shame, to deny the abuses heaped upon girls and women in Islam.

No one yet is arguing a limit to how many children with you.

Closer to home, Lost Boys from Southern Utah should give you pause.

You bring “commandment from God” as a directive for polygamy. I don’t recall Abraham having been commanded by God to take Sarah’s handmaiden, only Sarah’s suggestion being barren herself. I seem to recall that God was unhappy that David and Solomon took on concubines, particularly as David betrayed his best military officer, sabotaging him to death in order to abscond with his wife, having lusted after her. I also don’t recall Muslim’s having been commanded by God to take on extra wives so much as permitted. It seems a uniquely Mormon trait to use God’s commandment to idealize polygamy, even if “only practiced by a minority”.

maverick muse on July 8, 2009 at 5:54 AM

They also didn’t ask about Swingers?

Swingers are a Republican-leaning constituency; mostly successful small businessmen, and young urban professionals.

It’s a constituency that has been ignored by the GOP for far too long.

ericdondero on July 8, 2009 at 6:04 AM

We live in a loveless culture that desecrates beauty.

Roger Scruton
Beauty and Desecration

The current habit of desecrating beauty suggests that people are as aware as they ever were of the presence of sacred things. Desecration is a kind of defense against the sacred, an attempt to destroy its claims. In the presence of sacred things, our lives are judged, and to escape that judgment, we destroy the thing that seems to accuse us.

To yield to this temptation, however, we must first remove the chief obstacle to it: the consecrated nature of the human form. We must sully the experiences—such as death and sex—that otherwise call us away from temptations, toward the higher life of sacrifice. This willful desecration is also a denial of love—an attempt to remake the world as though love were no longer a part of it. And that, surely, is the most important characteristic of the postmodern culture: it is a loveless culture, determined to portray the human world as unlovable.

That suggests a simple remedy, which is to resist temptation. Instead of desecrating the human form, we should learn again to revere it. For there is absolutely nothing to gain from the insults hurled at beauty by those—like Calixto Bieito—who cannot bear to look it in the face. Yes, we can neutralize the high ideals of Mozart by pushing his music into the background so that it becomes the mere accompaniment to an inhuman carnival of sex and death. But what do we learn from this? What do we gain, in terms of emotional, spiritual, intellectual, or moral development? Nothing, save anxiety. We should take a lesson from this kind of desecration: in attempting to show us that our human ideals are worthless, it shows itself to be worthless. And when something shows itself to be worthless, it is time to throw it away.

It is therefore plain that the culture of transgression achieves nothing save the loss that it revels in: the loss of beauty as a value and a goal. But why is beauty a value? It is an ancient view that truth, goodness, and beauty cannot, in the end, conflict. Maybe the degeneration of beauty into kitsch comes precisely from the postmodern loss of truthfulness, and with it the loss of moral direction. That is the message of such early modernists as Eliot, Barber, and Stevens, and it is a message that we need to listen to.

To mount a full riposte to the habit of desecration, we need to rediscover the affirmation and the truth to life without which artistic beauty cannot be realized. This is no easy task. If we look at the true apostles of beauty in our time…we are immediately struck by the immense hard work, the studious isolation, and the attention to detail that characterizes their craft. In art, beauty has to be won, but the work becomes harder as the sheer noise of desecration—amplified now by the Internet—drowns out the quiet voices murmuring in the heart of things.

One response is to look for beauty in its other and more everyday forms—the beauty of settled streets and cheerful faces, of natural objects and genial landscapes. It is possible to throw dirt on these things, too, and it is the mark of a second-rate artist to take such a path to our attention—the via negativa of desecration. But it is also possible to return to ordinary things in the spirit…to show that we are at home with them and that they magnify and vindicate our life. Such is the overgrown path that the early modernists once cleared for us—the via positiva of beauty. There is no reason yet to think that we must abandon it.

City Journal Spring 2009.
A quarterly magazine of urban affairs, published by the Manhattan Institute, edited by Brian C. Anderson.

maverick muse on July 8, 2009 at 6:07 AM

just curious where “sex with dolphins” came in on that list

no reason ;)

triple on July 8, 2009 at 7:04 AM

It is a practice long sanctioned (and in some cases, commanded) by God in the Bible.

Oh, “God” said its ok. Well alrighty then. Got any justifications for it that aren’t completely imagined?

It is practiced all over Africa and Asia. And it is clearly different than the other things on the list.

You know what else is practiced all over africa? Genital mutilation. We need more of that.

triple on July 8, 2009 at 7:07 AM

Morally objectionable

Chinese tactical cyber war on America and S.Korea

maverick muse on July 8, 2009 at 7:35 AM

Outstanding joke here with this thread. A thread about TABOO subjects on the day of MJ’s funeral.

Brilliant commentary on our hypocrisy, as a nation, without saying a word.

Jeff from WI on July 8, 2009 at 7:45 AM

Near as I can tell, one relativly new tabboo is being a christian, heterosexual, conservitive white male with a job. Almost nobody thinks that is acceptable anymore.

MikeA on July 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Throw in “Southern” and you have the most persecuted group of Americans ever.

highhopes on July 8, 2009 at 7:54 AM

The Bible is a warts-and-all kind of book, showing just about every aspect of human nature. Lots of behavior that is recorded in it doesn’t have God’s approval. Even Jesus’ closest followers behaved badly sometimes (e.g. Peter’s denial of Jesus; quarrels over who was best; and Paul’s persecution of Jewish believers in Jesus)– BTW, I think that’s one indication that the New Testament is a true account, because it shows them in an unflattering light.

When people say that this or that behavior is found in the Old Testament, I try to find out if it was superseded or corrected in the New. For example, some religious leaders in the O.T. did have more than one wife, but a bishop or deacon is permitted only one, according to I Timothy.

To me, it helps to ask whether something in the Bible is required or prohibited under civil law (applicable to people living in ancient Israel), ritual law (applicable to Jews worshipping in Israel before the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 A.D.) or moral law (applicable to all people at all times, e.g. murder, fornication, same-sex stuff, lying, stealing).

KyMouse on July 8, 2009 at 8:08 AM

Where does a foreign born Marxist President rank?

bill30097 on July 8, 2009 at 8:10 AM

With the question phrased that way, I wonder how many people answered the way they did because they personally felt it was acceptable or because they felt it was generally acceptable.

JohnJ on July 8, 2009 at 8:37 AM

It’s really sad that support for having children out of wedlock is still growing.

With all of the research in recent decades which shows how damaging it is to the children, I would have thought we would be making headway on that issue.

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM

They also didn’t ask about Swingers?

Swingers are a Republican-leaning constituency; mostly successful small businessmen, and young urban professionals.

It’s a constituency that has been ignored by the GOP for far too long.

ericdondero on July 8, 2009 at 6:04 AM

What about Stormy for Senate?

Upstater85 on July 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM

I didn’t think I would ever say this, but I’m getting sick of Hot Air and the people on here and what they think is important.

suzyk on July 7, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM

It’s really sad that support for having children out of wedlock is still growing.

With all of the research in recent decades which shows how damaging it is to the children, I would have thought we would be making headway on that issue.

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM

I think we should bring back calling them what they are…B*****DS.

Jeff from WI on July 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Trust me, if you see sex between consenting, unrelated adults as being analogous to sex between human beings and animals, it says more about you than it does about gay people.

Siobhan on July 7, 2009 at 9:10 PM

The fact that you believe he said they were analogous, when he quite clearly didn’t says a lot about you and the lengths you are willing to go to defend your position.

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2009 at 8:56 AM

The ancient Romans, however, practiced monogamy in marriage (though adultery was rampant), and after the Roman Empire fell, the Roman Catholic Church’s influence throughout the Holy Roman Empire propagated that tradition which was refined to what is normative in modern Western civilization.

atheling on July 8, 2009 at 2:44 AM

In one of Paul’s letters, he lists the characteristics desireable in a church leader. One of these characteristics was that he be married to one woman.

MarkTheGreat on July 8, 2009 at 9:04 AM

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