Why is Obama administration supporting Zelaya instead of rule of law?
posted at 5:12 pm on July 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Last week, the New Republic warned the Obama administration not to make a fetish of the executive in Honduras at the expense of the rule of law. Now Mary Anastasia O’Grady at the Wall Street Journal joins TNR in pointing out the contradictions inherent in Barack Obama’s reaction to the Honduran crisis. Shouldn’t a glance at his allies in this policy give him a reason to reconsider his approach?
Reason has gone AWOL in places like Turtle Bay and Foggy Bottom. Ruling the debate on Mr. Zelaya’s behavior is Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chávez, who is now the reigning international authority on “democracy.”
Mr. Chávez is demanding that Mr. Zelaya be reinstated and is even threatening to overthrow the new Honduran president, Roberto Micheletti. He’s leading the charge from the Organization of American States (OAS). The United Nations and the Obama administration are falling in line.
Is this insane? You bet. …
Hondurans had the courage to push back. Now Chávez-supported agitators are trying to stir up violence. Yesterday afternoon airline service was suspended in Tegucigalpa when Mr. Zelaya tried to return to the country and his plane was not permitted to land. There were reports of violence between his backers and troops.
This is a moment when the U.S. ought to be on the side of the rule of law, which the Honduran court and Congress upheld. If Washington does not reverse course, it will be one more act of appeasement toward an ambitious and increasingly dangerous dictator.
Obama’s stated desire to hold direct talks with Chavez on the US-Venezuelan relationship was perhaps the least objectionable of the world leaders with whom Obama promised to meet “without preconditions” in July 2007. Since then, though, we have discovered direct funding from Chavez to FARC, the terrorist group attempting a revolution in Columbia, as well as the outright theft of private property in Venezuela’s nationalization programs from American investors. Clearly, Chavez’ interests have little to do with freedom and everything to do with raw power — just like his mentors, the Castro brothers, who have run Cuba as a prison island for 50 years.
Why, then, has Obama blindly followed Chavez’ lead in Honduras? The removal of Manuel Zelaya got botched, but it didn’t result in a military junta replacing him. The Honduran legislature remains in place, as does its courts, both of which unanimously issued the arrest warrant that the military executed. While there is a legitimate criticism about Honduran due process in this case, that’s not Chavez’ interest. He just wants his leftist ally put back in charge so Zelaya can continue to dismantle the constitutional form of government in Honduras just as Chavez has done in Venezuela.
The Obama administration had better decide whether it supports the constitutional due process in democratic republics or strongman rule. If it’s the latter, Obama couldn’t possibly do any better than he’s doing right now to push Honduras into a Chavez-style dictatorship. If it’s the former, then someone in the White House had better stop Obama from getting led by the nose by Chavez in Latin America.










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Birds of a feather defend each other together?
/sarc
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Ed, THANK YOU for finally veering away from Democracy!
Good post.
Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I’m losing count of moments when I expect people to wake up and say “Wow, I was so wrong, this guys IS a socialist!”
It’s like a frigging nightmare that people can’t see what’s going on.
WitchDoctor on July 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM
because he is Evil, simple as that
jp on July 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Following the playbook.
FireBlogger on July 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM
He’s hoping we won’t notice.
INC on July 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM
He hasn’t, Ed. He’s followed Chavez’ lead with his eyes wide open.
Mr. D on July 6, 2009 at 5:17 PM
The question is who is the puppetmaster… He’s just a puppet, a tool.. There is someone who is pulling the strings!!
Soros?
reshas1 on July 6, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Isn’t that giving him the benefit of the doubt?
Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Can anyone think of time when Obama supported the rule of law? Anywhere?
MarkTheGreat on July 6, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Could it also be that he aspires to be just like these guys? Ummmmm…could be.
kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Different take.
Its all about Obama backing the OAS against the Consitution of a member state…
He IS a “Citizen of the World” and wants SuperNational organizations, like the UN, to be able to override the laws of member states….
Wow… thinking on it… the UN cannot takeover the US unless the US is weakened both militarily, and economicly… is that Obama’s endgame?
Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM
To quote Obama, “They must think you’re stupid.”
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM
But once again he is backed into a corner of his own making…his supporters and his promises say he has to meet with Chavez, and the conservatives and moderates say no way.
So now he has to support Honduras, and offend Chavez and break another liberal promise, or support a dictator, and knowingly support illegal action.
He is a rookie, making unbelievable mistakes…
right2bright on July 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Very much more of this goofball, make-up-up-as-we-go-along foreign policy, and people might start to think we elected an incompetent last Nov.
JamesLee on July 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Do you have a link to this?
Buddahpundit on July 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM
I think Obama was in the process of working out some sort of deal with Chavez, and this move in Honduras puts a major dent in Chavez goals so Obama is coming to his aide for some other favor he’s trying to work out with Chavez. stupidly
jp on July 6, 2009 at 5:19 PM
That’s a rhetorical question, right?
Daggett on July 6, 2009 at 5:20 PM
Coin toss….Law lost.
BobMbx on July 6, 2009 at 5:20 PM
What has Zelaya got to do with Democracy? Other than his attempts to overthrow it?
MarkTheGreat on July 6, 2009 at 5:20 PM
It’s pretty obvious that he supports strongman rule. Both in Honduras, and here at home.
MarkTheGreat on July 6, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I think Obamessiah is hoping to be come America’s answer to Chavez, Velaya, Castro, et. al. With whom else would such a man side?
sondiehl on July 6, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Because people deserve to have their leash held at all times and never never ever allowed to growl when the doorbell rings.
Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Wow, the WSJ came up with a very good description of Obama. It is Obama they’re talking about, right?
;)
Daggett on July 6, 2009 at 5:22 PM
I can’t think of any.
The Honduran constitution states that a president that advocates for the elimination of the one term requirement is to be removed from office and may not hold any elected office for 10 years.
Zelaya not only advocated for the removal of the limit, he violated the law, repeatedly in order to create his referendum.
He got all the due process he was entitled to.
MarkTheGreat on July 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM
He’d attempt to use democracy to overthrow it.
Referendum? Voice of the People, eh hm I mean Teh Payple!.
Chavez knows how to use democracy for his benefit. As does Hamas.
Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Questions like this make me want to tear my hair out, if I had any hair.
What part of “Obama is setting himself up to be the Chavez of the USSA” don’t you understand?
Daggett on July 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM
ha ha!
1. They would have to turn off the TV coverage of Michael Jackson or future American Idol episodes.
2. They would have to understand what a socialist is.
3. People CAN see what is going on – if they watch NBC, CBS, CNN, and ABC, they see everything that is going on over at the green side of the Obama administration.
VibrioCocci on July 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM
1. Stupidity.
2. Obama doesn’t want to anger his new friends in Cuba.
3. Obama doesn’t believe in the rule of law.
4. Hugo has some illicit pictures of obama with a goat….
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Where’s Hillary in all of this?
Lame Duck SoS?
Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:27 PM
The idiot is out of control….BO has never lived near Main Street USA so he doesn’t have a clue how far he has already over-reached……the goose is cooking folks, wait for it.
David in ATL on July 6, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Clearly,
Chavez’Obama’s interests have little to do with freedom and everything to do with raw powerkirkill on July 6, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Something along these lines, with some deeply ingrained Marxist ideology his guiding instinct.
peski on July 6, 2009 at 5:27 PM
don’t forget the Congressional Black Caucuses recent Cuba trip in this calculus either.
jp on July 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM
FIFY
VibrioCocci on July 6, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Hmmmm….
Uigers getting hammered in China, nothing from the UN, nothing from Obama.
Honduras, UN and OAS sides with outsted President… so does Obama.
Iran, UN sides with present Government, so does Obama.
Israel, UN sides with Palestinaians, and are against an Iran strike… so is Obama, on both counts.
Me thinks I start to see a trend.
Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 5:29 PM
She is having a meeting the Zelaya this week. We have to make sure Pol Pot…er Zelaya has the proper wardrobe and pancake makeup put on just so.
Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Thanks for asking this–from what I’ve read there isn’t one.
That’s what I thought.
INC on July 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM
I believe that the military acted in the best interest of their country. If Zelaya had remained in the Honduras, Chavez & Co. probably would have sent many outsiders in to protest and act on behalf of Zelaya. That would have meant more confrontation, leading to more bloodshed. So although exporting Zelaya may not have been ‘by the book’, it was the most prudent thing they could do.
gobblemom on July 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Because The Precedent is one of the COCOA-Puffs. They all stick together.
You just can’t stop yourself from sayig this over and over. Oy.
Well, considering that Shrillary is slated to meet with Zelaya, I guess we all know the public answer to this.
Of course, this is no surprise to those of us who have been trying to impress on people how dangerous The Precedent and his Washington junta are.
I would appreciate it, Ed, if you could start addressing this issue by asking why The Precedent supports Zelaya’s attempted coup. That would be more accurate and set the context so that all can understand. I think that some other commenters might also appreciate it if you put this idea of returning the leader of an attempted coup, to help carry the coup through, into a proper historical context that all can relate to.
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Here’s Obama’s plan 1) bring down the once mighty United States 2)Bring about a global financial collapse where the only “solution” to the “emergency” is one global currency. The remnants of the “free world” will not like this, so, the more dictatorial regimes that are in power, the easier it will be to implement the “solution.” Call it “global hegemony.”
johnnybgood on July 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM
Ogabe is following Chavez because Ogabe doesn’t have a clue how to lead; he takes his cues from others.
President Pantload yet again, showcasing to the world just how badly the U.S. has regressed in a few short months.
Bishop on July 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Repeat from Octavio Sánchez, lawyer, former presidential adviser (2002-05) and minister of culture (2005-06) of the Republic of Honduras.:
A ‘coup’ in Honduras? Nonsense.
INC on July 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM
But she’s behind the scenes? Barry takes credit for all of this?
Does she want it this way or does he?
Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM
If I had to guess why…Obama is hell bent on showing that Bush was wrong, evil, stupid, whatever. To do so, he has to get working, friendly relations with everyone Bush had little to no relations with. That way, he can say, “See, it was all Bush’s fault that America was so hated in the world.” He can then claim he is the best evah at this whole diplomacy thing.
Only problem is that these pesky dictators have continued to do the very things Bush fought against them for in spite of Obama’s overtures. Now Obama has egg on his face and will, like always, backtrack to Bush’s original stance.
And the media will consider it “smart diplomacy”.
Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM
Well, I haven’t seen her at the U.N. pounding her shoe on the podium.
Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM
I don’t think that Obama gives any of this ANY thought.
He’s playing a popularity game and it’s going to bite him in the …
bridgetown on July 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM
We might see real sulfur.
Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Wasn’t this answered over in the thread on “bypassing the Senate’s Constitutional role”?
Those pesky Constitutions are always getting in the way. The Precedent doesn’t like to be held to pieces of paper. I mean, it’s just wood pulp and some cotton fibers, right? Who would base a society on wood pulp and cotton fibers? That’s crazy …
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Remember, according to PMS-NBC polling, O’bama set an alltime record, winning 70% of the high school dropout vote. No “One” had ever done that before.
Del Dolemonte on July 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM
Call it “global hegemony.”
johnnybgood on July 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM
I thought of a better term: “global community organizing.”
johnnybgood on July 6, 2009 at 5:38 PM
I second the motion. All in favor?
sondiehl on July 6, 2009 at 5:39 PM
He’s so awful he would be sitting the bench in single A ball as a rookie.
chemman on July 6, 2009 at 5:39 PM
Look at who Obama supported in the Iranian election. Look at who he says has to give up their land. Look at who he is negotiating with now. That tells a pretty grim story.
fourdeucer on July 6, 2009 at 5:39 PM
There is something terribly sinister about Obama–not sure what that is, but am totally unable to trust anything he does.
jeanie on July 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM
same reason all the OAS leaders support him: no incumbent wants to legitimize kicking out the [corrupt] incumbents.
Kenosha Kid on July 6, 2009 at 5:40 PM
For all I know it could be the other way around. How do we know Obama isn’t orchestrating all of this?
Guardian on July 6, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Speaking of being “led by the nose”, that picture of Obama in Russia that is leading Drudge is just pathetic. You couldn’t ask for an image that better projects weakness.
DaveS on July 6, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Does one have to look any further than here in the states? Don’t tell me you have not listened to any of his blathering?
N4646W on July 6, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I’m still waiting to see Obama’s Thesis from Columbia on Russia.
If i had to guess, he probably loved the USSR and hated to see it fall by the wayside. Probably theorized on how they could have kept it going.
therightscoop on July 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM
If there’s an anti-democracy despot in the world, Obama wants to kiss his keister. Obama is weak scum.
Jeff from WI on July 6, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Obama is the next terrorist attack that we have all been expecting since 9-11.
Someone help me here…. Isn’t there a mechanism in our Constitution (what’s left of it) or in our laws, to stop this Obama? Can’t the CIA or FBI take him into custody for treason against our Country? That’s what he’s doing – Nothing makes sense or is constitutional.
suzyk on July 6, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Aye.
chemman on July 6, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Aye.
Ed, you need to read the threads.
There has been tons of info and analysis here and here.
INC on July 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM
There could be an argument to be made that restoring Zelaya to power maintains some kind of stability in central America when in the not to distant past overthrows weren’t all that uncommon. It’s not an argument I would buy regarding Zelaya and the legitimacy of the Honduras legislature reasons for his ouster but it’s an argument that could be made.
But the not the reasoning Obama is using anyway.
lowandslow on July 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM
I was just thinking how PROUD he’s making his lowlife Commie professors.
Jeff from WI on July 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Why on earth does anybody think this Banana Republic dictator is anything other than a Banana Republic dictator?
notagool on July 6, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Obama? Support the rule of law? After violating the Constitution 33 times since January? Obama is Zelaya to the inth power, Obama KNOWS this and he KNOWS many of the American people know this. Obama fears that what happened with Zelaya, will happen to Obama…AND IT SHOULD. Unfortunately, no one in Washington has the guts to do the right thing, and REMOVE OBAMA because, frankly, Congress is just as bad as Obama…BOTH PARTIES.
nelsonknows on July 6, 2009 at 5:48 PM
What thesis, it’s probably a bunch of beer and marijuana stained pages of childish drawings.
chemman on July 6, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Unofficially there is; it starts with a “2″ and ends with “nd Amendment”.
Bishop on July 6, 2009 at 5:49 PM
No, you cannot make that argument!
Go read the article I linked to above. Here is more of it:
A ‘coup’ in Honduras? Nonsense.
INC on July 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM
+100; :)
chemman on July 6, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Second the motion. All not in favor, vote no.
NaCly dog on July 6, 2009 at 5:52 PM
He goes on to say:
INC on July 6, 2009 at 5:52 PM
FARC was a large donor to Obama’s campaign, and to the Democrats who took the majority from the RNC. The Chavez/FARC/Obama connection has been known over a year with the mutual emails and internet communications.
Why ignore all the information to date that scholarly research journalists have already published, that many have posted for you on your threads, Ed? Mannerisms aside, the findings don’t align within your perception?
Obama is an authoritarian. That was clearly exhibited years ago by the Santa Clara, CA labor attorney in his series of articles researching the Obama-Ayers relations. Search Stephen Diamond‘s blog prior to the NY research articles (HotAir featured) that were produced independently and arrived at the same conclusions.
maverick muse on July 6, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Those pesky Constitutions are always getting in the way. The Precedent doesn’t like to be held to pieces of paper. I mean, it’s just wood pulp and some cotton fibers, right? Who would base a society on wood pulp and cotton fibers? That’s crazy …
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 5:36 PM
I think it is the stench of phosphur that Chavez talked about. Maybe the carbon footprint from burning the constitution would be Obama’s gravest sin.
fourdeucer on July 6, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Yep. And worse. But don’t say “hussein” …
There are tons of provisions, from eligibility to his criminal campaign financing, to the IG firings, to his giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and on and on. Enforcement, however, hasn’t been our forte. And don’t mention that eligibility thing – it embarrasses too many on the right.
In a perfect world, The Precedent would be sitting in jail awaiting his very harsh sentence to be read. In the real world, The Precedent is out on another leg of his Traitor Tour, working to bypass the Constitution in some deal to disarm the US and generally destroying the US, after which he’ll run around the world making up some more lies about America and then return to buzz Manhattan in Air Force One and scare the peons.
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Obama supports all Marxist/communist regimes and their leaders . . . since when has the law had anything to do with the behavior of the Obama regime?
rplat on July 6, 2009 at 5:53 PM
CHEnge
Christien on July 6, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Obama is a classic academic Third World Marxist-Leninist. These people believe that the U.S. is evil because its economy and political system “explots the poor” around the world. They believe our Constitution was written by rich white capitalists in order to secure their riches and “oppress the poor.” It is not a “legitimate” government, because the only legitimate government in their view is one that is “of the people” i.e “the masses.” Zelaya hoped to prove with his referendum that he was supported by “the masses” and no doubt Obama would have cheered him on in his attempt to change Honduras’ Constitution to stay in power, because his power was “legitimate.”
Obama is backing Zelaya because he believes in what Zelaya was trying to do and he believes that the Honduran Constitution does not matter, what matters is “the will of the people.”
rockmom on July 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM
DUH!!!
When has Obama ever supported the rule of law…in the US or elsewhere?
landlines on July 6, 2009 at 5:59 PM
I never dreamed that the U.S. would be part of the AXIS OF EVIL but, here we are.
TheSitRep on July 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM
I too wish Ed would recover from his bout with “botch”-alism. From Bloomberg, the Honduran supreme court, by a unanimous 15-0 decision, ordered Zelaya’s arrest for treason and other crimes and deportation to prevent mass violence:
So who botched what? Failure to follow the Alinski code?
Barnestormer on July 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Clinton is to meet Zelaya.
maverick muse on July 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Well put, rockmom.
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM
We have been going around this circle jerk for several days trying to figure out why the Obama/Clinton crew are in bed with Chavez/Ortega. There is no logic to it except very tenuous links to Rev Wright/Alinsky.
Absolutely nothing else makes sense. This is Rev Wright’s position on Central America. It is also Alinsky’s relative to organizing the poor to take over. Obama taught his methods as a community organizer. Ayers supports the same.
I’m not certain we will ever know. What we do know is this policy could get a lot of people killed.
Despite all of this, where are the collected voices of Repubs lending morale to the current government, which unlike any other, is taking a stand against Chavez/Ortega. Even the US did not do that.
patrick neid on July 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM
No, it didn’t. The Honduran military obeyed the orders of the civilian authority who acted in accordance with the requirements of the Honduran Constitution.
No, there isn’t. See above.
single stack on July 6, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Constitution does not matter, what matters is “the will of the people” SO LONG AS OBAMA GETS WHAT HE WANTS, which happens to be the negation of contract law, and negation of Constitutional Government.
maverick muse on July 6, 2009 at 6:03 PM
HA poster elduende gives us some excellent background here.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/06/zelaya-landing-aborted-to-try-again-today/comment-page-1/#comments
Obama’s involvement didn’t just start with this Honduras event and elduende tells us why the Latin lefties are all in a tizzy about this. It apparently will have repercussions in their own countries. Scroll through and read his comments.
a capella on July 6, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Obama Backs Botched Coup Attempt By Zelaya
Christien on July 6, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Uh, actualy the Constitution was written on HEMP, which is why its still in such good shape…
Isn’t it interesting to have our Founding Docs written on a now illegal substance?
Maybe Barry will use that meme to outlaw the Constitution! Its Evil! Its written on DRUG PAPER!
It should be SMOKED, not followed!
Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 6:04 PM
We, the people, are not.
In one of elduende’s translation of Chavez, Chavez still despises the U.S. while he is BFF with Obama.
(No, he didn’t say BFF, but that’s about the drift I got!).
INC on July 6, 2009 at 6:06 PM
I like it.
Or how about:
Obama Backs Unconstitutional Coup by Zelaya
INC on July 6, 2009 at 6:07 PM
I’m begining to think its all about setting a precedent, where a SuperNational Organization (OAS and UN) can over ride the clearly written constitution of a member state.
Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Let’s face it, Barry has a lot in common with Latin American dictators. Foremost is his delusion of self-grandeur. Followed by his belief that only he knows what is right.
GarandFan on July 6, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Heh. Very interesting. Good eye, Romeo.
We laugh about it now, but I wouldn’t be surprised. Nothing this fool does, or tries to do, surprises me anymore.
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 6:09 PM
I am just your ordinary, run-of-the-mill citizen living in the midwest. Yeah, I’ve been voting since 1972 and never voted for a democrat but I figured that Obama was just like any other politician and that these things run in cycles.
I’ve seen the posts about Obama being a communist, a statist, a facist and a Marxist but I never get worked up or incensed by what politicians do because sooner or later they get voted out of office and we start a new cycle.
Until now! I am really, really worried about our country and the inaction of our legislative branch that is supposed to check the powers of the executive branch. I have come to believe that Obama truly is trying to change our form of government because every damn thing he has done prooves this. We need to start screaming at our Senators and Reps. especially if they are democrats.
I have fired off a written letter to my Representative, Carnahan and both my Senators, Bond and McCaskill. I have stated my fears without insult and begged them to think about what direction our country is headed and implored them to take action. We all need to do this and engage our families and neighbors in informed conversation. This has gone too far!
Vince on July 6, 2009 at 6:09 PM
It’s a practice run for here. A president makes himself Constitutionally ineligible to be president but there is no specific mechanism for removing him. When anybody tries, international thugs come in and in the name of “democracy” make sure the Constitution is not followed. When the legitimate government doesn’t cave in, bring in mobs, get somebody killed, and then it becomes an international crisis. Good-bye national sovereignty.
It’s a practice run. Same scenario here. It’s just a matter of time before Obama is forced to admit it.
justincase on July 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM
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