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Examiner vs Examiner on Palin

posted at 12:05 pm on July 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Ever since Sarah Palin announced her resignation from office, conservatives have debated on the merits of the choice, including in the lengthy comment threads at Hot Air.  Even the Washington Examiner, one of the leading new lights of conservative media, has found itself at odds internally over Palin’s actions.  Editorial page editor and longtime conservative stalwart Mark Tapscott says that conventional wisdom cannot explain Palin:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s announcement of her resignation cannot be read in terms of the conventional wisdom of politics -  i.e. that she’s getting out ahead of some damaging political revelation she knows is right around the corner, she’s fed up with the constant personal attacks on her and her family, or she’s running for president in 2012 and wants to be free of the constraints of office.

A close reading of her actual words in her announcement reveals otherwise. The key fact about Palin is that she is not a conventional politician. She actually means what she says, which is why her statement must be read in light of that fact, not that she has ulterior motives. …

Palin is embarking on an independent path in nationa politics that, if she is successful, will lead to a new third force. Not necessarily a third party, but definitely a populist insurrection that could reshape American politics for years to come. Does the Tea Party Protests movement come to mind?

Prisoners of conventional wisdom almost certainly will miss the significance of Palin’s decision. But they’ve never understood why she struck such a powerful chord with everyday Americans in 2008, so we ought not be surprised that this announcement is [completely] beyond their ability to understand what is really happening.

Chris Stirewalt, the political editor at the Examiner, says that Tapscott’s missing the point.  Palin’s problem has been the incessant drama, and that this only adds to her credibility problem with the majority of the electorate:

Sarah Palin learned a lot of things in her time as John McCain’s running mate — about the savagery of the media; about the duplicity of politicos; about her own gifts as a politician.

But she did not learn the most important lesson of 2008: no drama. …

David Letterman’s gross, unfunny joke about Palin’s teenage daughter, the ongoing skirmish among the former McCainiacs and the frivolous ethics complaints against her by Democratic hacks are all just part of life for Palin these days. But rather than rising above the squalor, Palin has fully engaged on each point. She stayed in the headlines blasting washed-up Letterman for days, continued to dish about the failings of McCain’s campaign and quit office blaming the ethics complaints for her departure.

There is always a lot of sound and fury around Palin, but does it signify anything other than her status as a celebrity?

Michael Barone, who is, well, Michael Barone, just throws his hands in the air:

I was astonished by Sarah Palin’s announcement that she is going to resign as Governor of Alaska. I’ve read over her “point guard” explanation for doing so, and I still don’t get it. She’s says he going to advance the causes she believes in by leaving public office? She will evidently leave office with only 16 months to go in her term (she says she’ll resign July 26 and Alaska governors take office in December); why not serve out the 16 months? It’s not that long a time. …

Some are hailing her resignation as a political masterstroke. I’m just puzzled. How does resigning as governor strengthen her as a presidential candidate?

All of these have elements of the truth.  If all Palin wants to be is a speaker and activist, then her resignation as governor of Alaska won’t hurt her at all.  Thanks to her notoriety, Palin will attract crowds and media wherever she goes and whatever she does.  If she chooses to be chair of the Tea Party Movement, I suspect most would be happy to grant her the title, and she’d be effective at it.

If, however, Palin wants to pursue national office rather than just be an activist for the rest of her life, her resignation will prove a very messy hurdle.  Alaskans trusted her with their higher office on the assumption that she would take it seriously enough to complete the term.  Voters would have understood if she had to resign in January to become Vice President, but because — in her own words — she didn’t want to deal with governing as a “lame duck.”  The first question in any campaign debate for Palin from now on will be, “Will you quit in the middle of a presidential term if you get disenchanted or get ethics complaints filed against you?”

Palin’s supporters might think that resigning is a brilliant strategic stroke, but those are by far not enough to get her elected President, as the last election pretty clearly showed.  Palin needed to build a sober resumé as an executive, someone who could show that the media had her all wrong — someone, as Stirewalt points out, could have her substance eclipse her celebrity.  Palin needed to build a broader base, not narrow it down to the true believers, and she had an opportunity to do that by finishing out her term in the tough conditions of an economic downturn.  Instead, she resigned to leverage her celebrity, which will not convince current non-believers and political agnostics of her substance.  Instead, it gives them even more reason to distrust Palin.

In the end, perhaps the two sides of the Palin debate have talked past each other for the last few days.  If Palin wants to be freed up to give speeches and focus on the faithful, her resignation will not dim those possibilities at all.  If she plans to advance in national office, though, she has to address the “conventional” as well as the unconventional to win national office, and resigning halfway through a first term is no way to go about it.


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They hate her guts so much and like that article says, it’s because she’s just like us.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Please don’t add me to the “she’s just like us” crowd.

I would have never quit my position that I was elected to, nor surrendered to MSM smear merchants.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

People don’t think it’s an affront to them. They think it’s a bad move. Can you see the difference?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

But the deed is done now. She can’t take it back. What good does it do her, or you, to keep raising the bar. Like every other life decision….you start from here and make the best of it. Anything else sounds either vindictive or simply crying over spilt milk.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

lady, MadConMan and BB have been posting hundreds of the same talking points and strawmen for days.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

but what others (Ed) were saying about it didn’t include all of that.

Count to 10 on July 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Thanks. Yes, that’s part of why I wasn’t very impressed with Ed’s initial post on the resignation.

If you don’t get a chance to watch the video, you can read her statement here. I think it’s pretty clear, myself – hope it answers some questions.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Boehner/Graham 2012!!

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Al Franken will be sworn in tomorrow. I think we have bigger fish to fry right now, with Stuart Smalley with the 60th vote. 2010 and the damage that will be done before we can unleash hell.

BTW, obama….drink the tea.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

how much did the ‘Is Obama gonna vote ‘present’ as CIC’? work against the sitting president during the elections? It’s weak.

RepubChica on July 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM

It also turned out to be true.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

I love the “she needs to stop the drama” argument.

She didn’t start the drama. It’s entirely media/Democrat created.

But, as is so often the case anymore, the Dem/media talking points become accepted fact.

Even by our side, apparently. You’d think they would know better.

tsj017 on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Boehner/Graham 2012!!

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Did you eat stupid for breakfast?

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

lady, MadConMan and BB have been posting hundreds of the same talking points and strawmen for days.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I’ve read their posts…guess what?

I’m in agreement with them. 100%

Anyone who has read any of mosts would have figured that out by now…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM

But the deed is done now. She can’t take it back. What good does it do her, or you, to keep raising the bar. Like every other life decision….you start from here and make the best of it. Anything else sounds either vindictive or simply crying over spilt milk.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Why do you want us to ignore it if we don’t like it? Why are you upset that people are criticizing that decision?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Heh.

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM

But unlike Sanford… Palin isn’t doing anything stupid. She is stepping down… so that Alaskans have the leadership they need. And the people of America can begin to have her.

Darn I have to share her now!

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM

I hope you’re right.

SouthernDem on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

lady, MadConMan and BB have been posting hundreds of the same talking points and strawmen for days.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

And it seems you’ve been talking out of your ass.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Did you eat stupid for breakfast?

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

I’m gonna take a shot in the dark and suggest that he might have been being sarcastic.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

:) Madison seems to think so. I’m almost 5ft. 4in. But so long as he’s keeping my cup filled, I won’t complain.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM

MYself LOL.

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

lady, MadConMan and BB have been posting hundreds of the same talking points and strawmen for days.
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

People call Ed a sexist. An elitist. Etc

I call them out on it. That is not a straw man.

I’m sick of this. I’m sick of this website too.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

lady, MadConMan and BB have been posting hundreds of the same talking points and strawmen for days.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Then what is my excuse?

I hope you’re right.

SouthernDem on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Have I been wrong yet?

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Well, you’re so right about the debate! It’s neat, to me. Loads of pros and cons, with a lot of insightful remarks being made from odd corners on this move. Clearly, everyone will decide for themselves what they think, and what they think will reflect more about their own personal values than on Palin, per se.

I’ve seen people say that Sanford will “live down” the fiasco he just created. Me? Not in a million years. I didn’t know much about him before, and now ALL I know is about the inner workings of his middle-aged besotted mind. He could be absolutely brilliant, but I am sure my ears would automatically shut off while I wandered off thinking about hiking and the appeal of Latinas over 4 gorgeous boys.

The notion that she would have been allowed to garner executive experience is wrong-headed, in my opinion. I agree with the commenter on radio this morning. 15 ethics charges now. By October, 22. By December 40. The strategy to tie her up so she could not govern was obvious and, to the dismay of Alaskans, worked. Those who dislike her could not have cared less about the state. They had a plan, and it was being executed easily and successfully. Break her financially. Make sure she couldn’t even work with her own legislators.

There was no way for her to establish that record in Alaska after running for VP. Common knowledge is based on the past, and in the past, nobody cared a whit about the losing VP candidate. They, of course, went back home and quietly back to work.

Palin wasn’t allowed to do that. It’s obvious she never would be allowed to do that. The drama comes from outside, not from her in 80% of the cases. And anyone who thinks she should have said nothing while Letterman took after her 14-year-old is playing unfair, in my opinion. No other politician would have said nothing about that, either.

She’s turned a negative into a potential positive. I know, for this Independent, I’m even MORE curious about her. I really look forward to seeing what happens and what emerges as her key messages.

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Anyone who has read any of mosts would have figured that out by now…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM

That should be…anyone who has ready any of my posts would have figured that out by now…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

And it seems you’ve been talking out of your ass.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

No, no. He’s been informing us not to read what anyone says in these threads, and TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT.

If he doesn’t have Green Room status, he ought to.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Ah well
good day

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Why do you want us to ignore it if we don’t like it? Why are you upset that people are criticizing that decision?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Because it hurts any chance she does have. She gets enough of this from people who really, really don’t like her. What benefit comes for her or you to continue to complain about something that is done, finished, over, kaput? Let’s move on and find a way to support her. You don’t like what she did….we get that.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Have I been wrong yet?

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Only in claiming Alaska better than Wisconsin.

PWNED.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM

I’m gonna take a shot in the dark and suggest that he might have been being sarcastic.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Actually, no. I’m serious…Boehner/Graham would be my dream ticket as it stands right now. A large dose of conservatism, with a dash of social-moderation thrown in. And a team that has a proven record of successful fights with the lefties.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Did you eat stupid for breakfast?

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM
I’m gonna take a shot in the dark and suggest that he might have been being sarcastic.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

I hope so, he channeled into one of my reoccuring nightmares that shows Graham running for president, with mcccain bringing up the ‘rear’ to support him.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Heh

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

All I have to say is if you two are trolls, then I wanna be one too!

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM

So that’s what you call it…

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Only to those up to the task.

Did you eat stupid for breakfast?

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Jet’s taste in politicians isn’t his best trait.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Only in claiming Alaska better than Wisconsin.

PWNED.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM

LOL.. umm okay.

But people only go to Wisconson for curds, beer and to get to Canada.. and then Alaska ;)

*smiles* I want my Cheese Curds! You got flavors?

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Is Blatant leaving because his criticism of Palin has resulted in a little backlash.

Imagine being Palin.

pugwriter on July 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

You’re writing in paragraphs now? Wow.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Boehner/Graham 2012!!

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:01 PM

.
Where is the executive experience?

Americannodash on July 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Jet’s taste in politicians isn’t his best trait.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM

*sigh*

A burden I have to bear. But I just know I’m right. Dangit.

;)

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Because it hurts any chance she does have. She gets enough of this from people who really, really don’t like her. What benefit comes for her or you to continue to complain about something that is done, finished, over, kaput? Let’s move on and find a way to support her. You don’t like what she did….we get that.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM

So analyzing what we perceive to be a losing strategy and suggesting she not employ that tactic again is a bad thing?

This has happened in the past. Some people who like Palin won’t take any criticism of her because they feel it only hurts her. If that’s the case, why does a sports team always review the last game, even if they lost, to figure out how to win in the next game?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Ah well
good day

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Quitter.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I’m sick of this website too.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Don’t leave.

Because it hurts any chance she does have.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM

I think the argument is that she already did that by quitting.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Fair enough, but does that mean she’d quit mid-term in a second presidential term if we had a democrat-controlled congress, or a RINO-controlled one?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

If she suddenly discovered that SHE was the problem? And had a good VP?

I’d hope she’d have the humility to do what is right for the COUNTRY… above her personal ambition.

In this case, the attacks on her personaly (which were not going to stop) were getting in the way of the functioning of the Office of the Gov of Alaska… SHE was the catalyst of the problem.

So, SHE solved the problem the only way she could…

Think Nixon’s resignation, vs Clintons Impeachment… Nixon IMO did the right thing… Clinton? dragged this country through a year or so of crap, for his personal reasons.

Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Knock it off with your faux support for Sarah Palin. Everyone can see right thru it.

No talking points from Axelrod today or did you get fired for poor performance?

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Where is the executive experience?

Americannodash on July 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Where was it with Obama? Where is it with Palin?

Boehner and Graham know how to deal with Congress. That’s gotta be key, depending on who still controls it after 2012.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

nor surrendered to MSM smear merchants.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Please please stop arguing that. I have no problem with those who think she made a mistake resigning. It may or may not come back to haunt her; only time will tell, but she did not do it over MSM smears. She handled them with grace and spine of steel for a YEAR! They weren’t eating up her time and state tax dollars. PLEASE, it was ethics charges brought against her OFFICIALLY, that were actually costing her state money and her staff’s time that should have gone toward governing, not slutty flight attendant vulgarity or even the truly disgusting Trig Truther crap.

Like it or not, agree with it or not, she had a valid reason for stepping down that had NOTHING to do with not being able to handle media driven slurs.

pannw on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Ouch…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Btw…Tapscott nails it. He looks at this big move by Sarah in a personally unique and promising way, like many of us here, not through the prism of the round-table chess gaming the punditocracy plays pretending to all be kingmakers of the political landscape. I’m glad both opinions were presented in this article–nicely done, Ed. Glad we can all agree to disagree. Will try and keep it clean. ;-)

RepubChica on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Knock it off with your faux support for Sarah Palin. Everyone can see right thru it.

No talking points from Axelrod today or did you get fired for poor performance?

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I think she got axed for drinking on the job.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

The first question in any campaign debate for Palin from now on will be, “Will you quit in the middle of a presidential term if you get disenchanted or get ethics complaints filed against you?

“Excuse me governor, you say you have executive experience. Please tell us what experience you have the last year and half? You have spent it defending 25 ethics complaints? How could you get anything done when you spent the last year and half in court? And how much of the taxpayer money did you spend on those ETHICS COMPLAINTS. Did I mention ETHICS COMPLAINTS?”

broker1 on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I’m sick of this website too.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Don’t let the hatah’s harsh your mellow.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Ouch…

Doesn’t bother me. Grumpies are everywhere.

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM

On Friday I was depressed/dispirited.
On Saturday I was defensive.
But today I am able to have a sense of humor about the situation.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM

So far I think that Sarah has spoken in a way that expresses to her supporters what she stands for and feels. The elite’s in public office continue to have focus groups to tell them what the country “wants to hear”. I would rather have someone who actually tells me how “they” feel about issues. Tired of the political “crap” that I hear everyday and want someone honest to tell me the facts with no spin. Such as “well the Dem’s did ….” or “Bush started this ….”. Stand for something and don’t blame others.

hillbilly on July 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM

broker1 on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Moby? Is that you?

And why do you care? I paid for those complaints. Thank you very much!

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Actually, no. I’m serious…Boehner/Graham would be my dream ticket as it stands right now.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Okay then, I’m going to just pretend you’re doing mescaline right now.

*whispers*Ummmmmmmmmm WTF????*whispers*

I hope so, he channeled into one of my reoccuring nightmares that shows Graham running for president, with mcccain bringing up the ‘rear’ to support him.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM

He’s on mescaline. I hope.

All I have to say is if you two are trolls, then I wanna be one too!

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:07 PM

You have to wear the big hat while snorting marshmallow creme and singing Gloria Estefan’s “Turn The Beat Around”. Initiation must be adhered to.

Only to those up to the task.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Up and at attention. Thank Christ for boxers.

*smiles* I want my Cheese Curds! You got flavors?

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Dip them in honey mustard. Trust me.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM

I’m sick of this. I’m sick of this website too.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Don’t you dare leave. I’ll send Helen Thomas to your house disguised as Julie Banderas.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Is Blatant leaving because his criticism of Palin has resulted in a little backlash.

Imagine being Palin.

pugwriter on July 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM

Blatant isn’t running for anything. Were he, your comments would be relevant.

A burden I have to bear. But I just know I’m right. Dangit.

;)

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Heh. I’m just naturally against men named Lindsey.

Where was it with Obama? Where is it with Palin?

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Well, she was working on it. And the little time she had was certainly better than what Obama had. That said, her decision won’t help that argument next time.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM

LOL…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM

I’m sick of this. I’m sick of this website too.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Don’t you dare leave. I’ll send Helen Thomas to your house disguised as Julie Banderas.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM

I think he ran out of lotion.
BB is just frustrated. He’ll be back.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM

So analyzing what we perceive to be a losing strategy and suggesting she not employ that tactic again is a bad thing?

This has happened in the past. Some people who like Palin won’t take any criticism of her because they feel it only hurts her. If that’s the case, why does a sports team always review the last game, even if they lost, to figure out how to win in the next game?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Look, I admire any conservative from Madison, but I don’t think you are looking at the bigger picture here. What does complaining about this do to help her or you? Please….if you can answer that question in a concise way, I will listen. Otherwise, as I said, it all sounds pointless.

She may fall away from the national scene totally destroyed or she may rise from this and be a tremendous asset. I’d rather support her than help tear her down.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I’m sick of this. I’m sick of this website too.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Don’t you dare leave. I’ll send Helen Thomas to your house disguised as Julie Banderas.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM

MadCon…you know he’ll be back…you don’t have to threaten him with a promise…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM

In this case, the attacks on her personaly (which were not going to stop) were getting in the way of the functioning of the Office of the Gov of Alaska… SHE was the catalyst of the problem.

Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

No, the people filing the frivolous lawsuits were the problem. She could have leveraged her weight in Alaska to attack them and maybe even have driven off the lawsuits without having to fight them in court.

However, you referenced her lame duck status, and so did she. Therefore, the question still stands about how she would treat lame duck status if she were POTUS.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I think he ran out of lotion.
BB is just frustrated. He’ll be back.
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM

It’s that or there were good looking co-eds at the beach. Maybe both.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Some people who like Palin won’t take any criticism of her
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

There he goes again. Just like clockwork. Strawmen galore.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Don’t you dare leave. I’ll send Helen Thomas to your house disguised as Julie Banderas.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Sick and twisted, Madison.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM

If they really think this won’t hurt Palin, why are they so hostile those that think it will?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

24/7 pundits have been writing her obit for 3 days now.

Blogger pundits condemned the decision for 3 days now. (and have slowly been reversing since)

Palin never experienced any true criticism on her record, but a distorted attacks of her personal character & family started in Aug ‘08. Alot of the wounds experienced from the ‘08 campaign never got to heal because the target was never allowed to be taken off of Palin. McCain gets to go back to the Senate, but Palin went back to the Governors office and retribution was delivered to her by the crazy ObamAlaskan followers & Murkowski Republicans the never liked her before ‘08.

Palin supporters have been running 24/7 defense for 11 months. Please excuse them if they seem a little rough around the edges or haggard from the Destroy Palin Blitzkrieg for the last 332 days. The lines between the enemy and friendlies is blurred.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM

What does complaining about this do to help her or you? Please….if you can answer that question in a concise way, I will listen.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Okay, I’m going to put this as directly as I can, because I’ve said it a dozen times.

Ignoring her mistakes is not good. Addressing her mistakes and advising that she not make similar ones in the future is an attempt to help her make what we see as better decisions in the future.

If you ignore a weakness or misstep, it can be made again. If this ends up hurting her, we need to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Therefore, the question still stands about how she would treat lame duck status if she were POTUS.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Same tired Axelrod talking points. Are you and BB in the same room?

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM

If you ignore a weakness or misstep, it can be made again. If this ends up hurting her, we need to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

Why would “we” have anything to do with her personal choices?

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM

She could have leveraged her weight in Alaska to attack them and maybe even have driven off the lawsuits without having to fight them in court.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:17 PM

It honestly concerns me that she didn’t. I always felt she was a fighter, and her best position to fight these and help the people was to stay where she was. Those lawsuits are wrong, but she can’t keep them from happening to someone else as a private citizen.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM

lol…BB don’t go, no one else remembers my bra size but you.

RepubChica on July 6, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Same tired Axelrod talking points. Are you and BB in the same room?

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Give it up already.

Why would “we” have anything to do with her personal choices?

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM

In the context of asking what we could do to help her, really, everything.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Palin supporters have been running 24/7 defense for 11 months. Please excuse them if they seem a little rough around the edges or haggard from the Destroy Palin Blitzkrieg for the last 332 days. The lines between the enemy and friendlies is blurred.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM

And I’ve been there with the supporters going after dipsticks like Poptech and The Wall and LevStrauss and all the other true Palin haters.

However, if you’re busy pushing back the assault from one side, it’s not unwise to question why the general is throwing some of the supplies away.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM

tsj017 on July 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Sarah is Sublime.

maverick muse on July 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Okay, I’m going to put this as directly as I can, because I’ve said it a dozen times hundreds and hundreds of times over and over.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Give it up MadConMan. You’re not Clyde Barrow.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Ah well
good day

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Quitter.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

LOL.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Where was it with Obama? Where is it with Palin?

Boehner and Graham know how to deal with Congress. That’s gotta be key, depending on who still controls it after 2012.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

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I don’t speak for the left in regards to their voting patterns. I just look how well this POTUS shows his lack of executive experience everyday.
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Does not being a Mayor or a Governor count as executive experience for Sarah Palin? It is not a trick question JB. You are only fooling yourself if you think that she has no executive experience.

Americannodash on July 6, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Okay, I’m going to put this as directly as I can, because I’ve said it a dozen times.

Ignoring her mistakes is not good. Addressing her mistakes and advising that she not make similar ones in the future is an attempt to help her make what we see as better decisions in the future.

If you ignore a weakness or misstep, it can be made again. If this ends up hurting her, we need to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:20 PM

OK…right…as I said, we GOT that. Is there a point in the near future that you will turn your thinking and writing skills toward supporting her? Cause, you know, the game is still being played right now. There is no halftime or rest day in this game.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Why would “we” have anything to do with her personal choices?

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM

If she’s going to ask us to vote for her to lead this country one day, they have everything to do with us.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Please please stop arguing that. I have no problem with those who think she made a mistake resigning. It may or may not come back to haunt her; only time will tell, but she did not do it over MSM smears. She handled them with grace and spine of steel for a YEAR! They weren’t eating up her time and state tax dollars. PLEASE, it was ethics charges brought against her OFFICIALLY, that were actually costing her state money and her staff’s time that should have gone toward governing, not slutty flight attendant vulgarity or even the truly disgusting Trig Truther crap.

Like it or not, agree with it or not, she had a valid reason for stepping down that had NOTHING to do with not being able to handle media driven slurs.

pannw on July 6, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Precisely. She knows the smears aren’t going to stop when she leaves office, the will continue as long as she continues to be feared by her opponents–Dem and GOP.

As for her “incoherent” speech. Anyone willing to pay attention can quickly pull a three (maybe four) point outline from it:

1) Alaska’s role in the nation as a State with vast natural resources.

2) Her administrations accomplishments in as stewards of those resources.

3) The best (only) way to continue that stewardship, given the current political climate, is to pass the torch to her Lt. Gov.

4) She has work to do on a broader, more national, scale, and she is now free to do it.

See, that wasn’t so hard. Was it?

pugwriter on July 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Is there a point in the near future that you will turn your thinking and writing skills toward supporting her?

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:24 PM

I already have, and if you continue to ignore that, I’m done with this. I provided a link to my blog, others vouched for my support, etc. I’m sick of having to claim I’m a supporter because I don’t like her resigning.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Give it up MadConMan. You’re not Clyde Barrow.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Is that all you’ve got other than calling folks who disagree with you trolls?

You. Are. Pitiful.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 2:26 PM

lol…BB don’t go, no one else remembers my bra size but you.

RepubChica on July 6, 2009 at 2:22 PM

0_o

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Question! This is especially for those that think that Palin made a big mistake by leaving her position early.

If Palin is nominated to be the Republican candidate for President would you vote for her, against her or not at all?

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 2:27 PM

If Palin is nominated to be the Republican candidate for President would you vote for her, against her or not at all?

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 2:27 PM

99.99% sure I would vote for her. However, that .01% would depend on what she did in the next couple of years.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Heh. I’m just naturally against men named Lindsey.

Beats the heck out of “Barack” tho…haha

Okay then, I’m going to just pretend you’re doing mescaline right now.

Mescaline? Nah, I did have an extra big bowl of Cap’n Crunch (with crunch berries!) this morning tho…

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I already have, and if you continue to ignore that, I’m done with this. I provided a link to my blog, others vouched for my support, etc. I’m sick of having to claim I’m a supporter because I don’t like her resigning.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Then be done with it. You want to claim that this criticism doesn’t do damage to the fact that you have supported her in the past but you think that this action by her warrants disregard for all that she has done in the past. I get you. Have fun with that.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Where to begin?

Jay Cost asked a question this morning over at RealClearPolitics — “What if she doesn’t want to be President?” To me, the question should be “What if she doesn’t CARE if she becomes President?”

Everybody has been looking at this from the POV of electoral politics — is she running, not running, etc, because that is our only frame of reference. But, it isn’t Palin’s only frame of reference. Mark Tapscott did something no one else has really done. He read what she said carefully and assumed she meant every word. I followed his example and re-read both her resignation statement AND her July 4 Facebook post (Tapscott added an update to his post telling everyone to read this statement carefully, as well). The Facebook post actually had a statement that made me think I understand what she is doing. She said that she had been watching the reaction of the MSM and that it was predictable and ironic. Then she said, “How sad that Washington and the media will never understand; it’s about country.” She also used the phrase “higher calling” again.

She is resigning, I think, because she feels the Governor’s Office in Alaska is now compromised by politics to the point of inhibiting its effectiveness. She would rather leave than be ineffective, so she is trying to give the office a new start.

At the same time, she has always wanted to to have a positive impact, whether on Wasilla, Alaska as a whole, or the US. I fully agree with Tapscott now — she has the idea of starting a new movement in American politics, one that she sees as being of renewal and restoration of those values and principles that founded the country, and that she believes are under assault by liberals and that have been lost sight of by those “establishment” elements of the GOP. In that respect, she is very much like Ronald Reagan. People sense, in both of them, that lived, and loved, the founding principles of the country, the same things we live and love. That, I think, is what Tapscott meant when he said that those “prisoners of convential wisdom” didn’t understand her appeal and cannot begin to understand what she is trying to do. I also think she wants to lead this movement and that only it really matters, not her personal results. If it leads to the Presidency in 2012, 2016, 2020, or never, it’s all well and good to her, as long as the big stuff gets taken care of. This is a woman of great persoanl faith. She truly believes that whatever path she ends up on or whatever point she ends up at is where she is meant to be. And she will gladly accept that. Now, does she have a “grand strategy” for doing this? Not yet, I think. But she is going to collect like-minded people around her now and begin to map out the strategy while, at the same time, laying out the goals.

Now, to the elephant in the room. I’d like any of you (Ed included) to tell me just what “experience” prepares a person to be President of the United States? Being a governor? Please. The principal roles of the President are CINC and guiding foreign policy. There is no state, save perhaps CA or NY, that have the international role needed to prepare a President. In fact, the only President in the last 60 years who had ANY experience that was really relevant to the Presidency were Eisenhower and GHW Bush (Director of CIA).

Other than those two roles, the main purpose of the President is to set the domestic goals for the government and to persuade the American people that his (or her) goals are the right ones and that he (or her) knows the path to follow to achieve them. In the ability to persuade, I think Palin has demonstrated that she would have few equals. Does she need more knowledge in order to form those goals and determine the right path to follow? Yes. She is not ready in July, 2009 to assume the Presidency. But, give her time. Knowledge can be obtained. The ability to sway mass amounts of people to your POV is God given. And, she has it.

SCSoxFan on July 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Nah, I did have an extra big bowl of Cap’n Crunch (with crunch berries!) this morning tho…

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

You are aware that those are not real berries, right?

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM

See, that wasn’t so hard. Was it?

pugwriter on July 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Just because you can pull points from it, it doesn’t mean the speech wasn’t bad.

If Palin is nominated to be the Republican candidate for President would you vote for her, against her or not at all?

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 2:27 PM

If the election were held today, and it was between her and Obama, I’d vote for her (though I would not so secretly wish she’d completed a term as governor first). But it’s still over three years away, and I have no idea what she’ll do between now and then.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Instead, she resigned to leverage her celebrity,

Sarah Palin did not list that as one of her reasons for resigning. What dark unpleasant space did you pull that out of?

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM

However, if you’re busy pushing back the assault from one side, it’s not unwise to question why the general is throwing some of the supplies away.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM

“We are not retreating – we are advancing in another direction.”
-Douglas MacArthur

“It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.”
-Douglas MacArthur

“You are remembered for the rules you break.”
-Douglas MacArthur

“Politically speaking, if I die, I die.”
-Sarah Palin

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM

On Friday I was depressed/dispirited.
On Saturday I was defensive.
But today I am able to have a sense of humor about the situation.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:13 PM

And what were you doing on Sunday?

LiquidH2O on July 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

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Do you pretty much lose your arguments frequently here HA? Or is it just the ones you are trying to make on this thread?

Americannodash on July 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

“Politically speaking, if I die, I die.”
-Sarah Palin

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM

This is the type of person I want. I’m tired of those who put their fingers in the wind. Have a position and stand.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Mescaline? Nah, I did have an extra big bowl of Cap’n Crunch (with crunch berries!) this morning tho…

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

AHA!

You want to claim that this criticism doesn’t do damage to the fact that you have supported her in the past but you think that this action by her warrants disregard for all that she has done in the past.

I didn’t say a damned thing about what she’s done in the past.

I get you.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM

No, you don’t.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Beats the heck out of “Barack” tho…haha

True. But then what doesn’t?

You are aware that those are not real berries, right?

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM

That’s his hallucinagins talking. It was just regular Cap ‘n Cruch.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:35 PM

You are aware that those are not real berries, right?

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM

Oh, sure. Next thing you’ll tell me is that there are no Keebler elves maikng cookies in trees.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:35 PM

“Politically speaking, if I die, I die.”
-Sarah Palin

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM

“If he dies, he dies.”
Ivan Drago, Rocky IV

Uh oh…

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM

And what were you doing on Sunday?

LiquidH2O on July 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Making tomato sauce for canning. I hear food is going to be more expensive next year.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 2:37 PM

AHA!

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM

LMAO!

I’m a druggie.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 2:37 PM

*shakes his head*

Say it with me, children:
Sarah Palin is not the Conservative Messiah to be worshipped like the One. Sarah Palin is not the Conservative Messiah to be worshipped like the One. Sarah Palin is not the Conservative Messiah to be worshipped like the One. Sarah Palin is not the Conservative Messiah to be worshipped like the One…..

Vatican Watcher on July 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I tried your chant there, but the only thing that kept coming out was “I will NOT be demoralised by the fifth column!” “I will NOT be demoralised by the fifth column!” “I will NOT be demoralised by the fifth column!” “I will NOT be demoralised by the fifth column!”

44Magnum on July 6, 2009 at 2:38 PM

What dark unpleasant space did you pull that out of?

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Just because it’s dark, doesn’t mean it’s unpleasant.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:38 PM

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