Examiner vs Examiner on Palin

posted at 12:05 pm on July 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Ever since Sarah Palin announced her resignation from office, conservatives have debated on the merits of the choice, including in the lengthy comment threads at Hot Air.  Even the Washington Examiner, one of the leading new lights of conservative media, has found itself at odds internally over Palin’s actions.  Editorial page editor and longtime conservative stalwart Mark Tapscott says that conventional wisdom cannot explain Palin:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s announcement of her resignation cannot be read in terms of the conventional wisdom of politics -  i.e. that she’s getting out ahead of some damaging political revelation she knows is right around the corner, she’s fed up with the constant personal attacks on her and her family, or she’s running for president in 2012 and wants to be free of the constraints of office.

A close reading of her actual words in her announcement reveals otherwise. The key fact about Palin is that she is not a conventional politician. She actually means what she says, which is why her statement must be read in light of that fact, not that she has ulterior motives. …

Palin is embarking on an independent path in nationa politics that, if she is successful, will lead to a new third force. Not necessarily a third party, but definitely a populist insurrection that could reshape American politics for years to come. Does the Tea Party Protests movement come to mind?

Prisoners of conventional wisdom almost certainly will miss the significance of Palin’s decision. But they’ve never understood why she struck such a powerful chord with everyday Americans in 2008, so we ought not be surprised that this announcement is [completely] beyond their ability to understand what is really happening.

Chris Stirewalt, the political editor at the Examiner, says that Tapscott’s missing the point.  Palin’s problem has been the incessant drama, and that this only adds to her credibility problem with the majority of the electorate:

Sarah Palin learned a lot of things in her time as John McCain’s running mate — about the savagery of the media; about the duplicity of politicos; about her own gifts as a politician.

But she did not learn the most important lesson of 2008: no drama. …

David Letterman’s gross, unfunny joke about Palin’s teenage daughter, the ongoing skirmish among the former McCainiacs and the frivolous ethics complaints against her by Democratic hacks are all just part of life for Palin these days. But rather than rising above the squalor, Palin has fully engaged on each point. She stayed in the headlines blasting washed-up Letterman for days, continued to dish about the failings of McCain’s campaign and quit office blaming the ethics complaints for her departure.

There is always a lot of sound and fury around Palin, but does it signify anything other than her status as a celebrity?

Michael Barone, who is, well, Michael Barone, just throws his hands in the air:

I was astonished by Sarah Palin’s announcement that she is going to resign as Governor of Alaska. I’ve read over her “point guard” explanation for doing so, and I still don’t get it. She’s says he going to advance the causes she believes in by leaving public office? She will evidently leave office with only 16 months to go in her term (she says she’ll resign July 26 and Alaska governors take office in December); why not serve out the 16 months? It’s not that long a time. …

Some are hailing her resignation as a political masterstroke. I’m just puzzled. How does resigning as governor strengthen her as a presidential candidate?

All of these have elements of the truth.  If all Palin wants to be is a speaker and activist, then her resignation as governor of Alaska won’t hurt her at all.  Thanks to her notoriety, Palin will attract crowds and media wherever she goes and whatever she does.  If she chooses to be chair of the Tea Party Movement, I suspect most would be happy to grant her the title, and she’d be effective at it.

If, however, Palin wants to pursue national office rather than just be an activist for the rest of her life, her resignation will prove a very messy hurdle.  Alaskans trusted her with their higher office on the assumption that she would take it seriously enough to complete the term.  Voters would have understood if she had to resign in January to become Vice President, but because — in her own words — she didn’t want to deal with governing as a “lame duck.”  The first question in any campaign debate for Palin from now on will be, “Will you quit in the middle of a presidential term if you get disenchanted or get ethics complaints filed against you?”

Palin’s supporters might think that resigning is a brilliant strategic stroke, but those are by far not enough to get her elected President, as the last election pretty clearly showed.  Palin needed to build a sober resumé as an executive, someone who could show that the media had her all wrong — someone, as Stirewalt points out, could have her substance eclipse her celebrity.  Palin needed to build a broader base, not narrow it down to the true believers, and she had an opportunity to do that by finishing out her term in the tough conditions of an economic downturn.  Instead, she resigned to leverage her celebrity, which will not convince current non-believers and political agnostics of her substance.  Instead, it gives them even more reason to distrust Palin.

In the end, perhaps the two sides of the Palin debate have talked past each other for the last few days.  If Palin wants to be freed up to give speeches and focus on the faithful, her resignation will not dim those possibilities at all.  If she plans to advance in national office, though, she has to address the “conventional” as well as the unconventional to win national office, and resigning halfway through a first term is no way to go about it.

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If she plans to advance in national office, though, she has to address the “conventional” as well as the unconventional to win national office, and resigning halfway through a first term is no way to go about it.

Please explain how having to defend herself against ethics charges the rest of her term can possibly be good for running for national office? It seams that the longer she remains in office the more ethics complaints are sure to come her way. Can she be effective if she is allways having to defend herself? Can anyone?

jims on July 6, 2009 at 1:29 PM

genso on July 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Willfully ignoring my other posts, I see. That’s fine. I succinctly laid out my issues with her resignation. Either you are truly interested and will read and/or respond to them, or you’re trolling.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM

As I’ve said before, I voted for McCain in 2008, and only because of Palin. I’ve stated my support for Palin numerous times. I made my support of her clear on my defunct blog. People can stop with the “you hate her if you don’t support her resignation” crap.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Yep Mad, you have stated your support. I can back you on that.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM

the lengthy EPIC comment threads at Hot Air

FIFY, Ed.

(It was the gift that keeps on taking lol.)

bluelightbrigade on July 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Palin’s voting record shows her conservative bona fides…what does she have to do, carry a cross on her back across the USA, and then finally be nailed up and reborn?…..

luvstotango on July 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Oh please, spare us the martrydom and slightly offensive anti-Christian imagery.

You’ve completely missed my point in your zeal to defend Sarah Palin the person (not Sarah Palin the politician). It’s not just about being a conservative, if that were the case then I’d be the best candidate for the job! It’s not just about having unquestioning and uncritical supporters to organize- Ron Paul would have won if a frothing-at-the-mouth band of followers is necessary. It’s also not just about experience- on that basis McCain should have been able to put Hugo Chavez on the ticket and still win.

In short the ideal candidate for 2012 will be somebody who brings all of the above to the table and more. Ideally, there will be a social/fiscal conservative out there with the experience and negotiating skills to fix this country after Obama has finished the political equivilent of joy-riding around the nation in a stolen vehicle. Sarah Palin doesn’t add up to the person I feel I can get behind to do what will be required of the next administration. That doesn’t make her a bad person and it certainly doesn’t give you license to make offensive religious comparisons!

If she doesn’t pass your “tested conservative” value test, who would?

I don’t know at this point because I don’t know what the most pressing issues will be in 2012. We are one domestic terrorist atrocity away from national security issues taking the spotlight away from all that Obama is doing to reward organized labor, ACORN and other patrons of the far left. The economy will be a factor but will the candidate need to focus on tax reform or righting the misguided programs being rolled out? It is just too early to tell what candidate is best suited for the job. Sarah Palin is more than welcome to throw her hat in the ring but that doesn’t mean fools like you have any right to demand I unquestioningly support her in 2009.

highhopes on July 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Everyone know what a “Hack a Shaq” is. It is a defensive strategy in basketball directed against Shaquille O’Neill. Since Shaq was such a poor foul shooter, opposing teams would purposely foul him so he would have to take foul shots.

One of the options the coach had, was to replace Shaq with a lesser overall player that was a better foul shooter.

Think of Palin as Shaq. The Dems had come up with a 3 pronged defense to keep her under control.
Keep her bogged down with ethics complaints
Every time she went out of state, claim she was ignoring Alaska’s business.
Keep attacking her in the press to try to decrease her favorable rating.
So she resigned and subbed in Sean Parnell (lesser overall player) who would not be burdened by the Democrats attacks. So with the rest of her team still in place, Sarah substituted Parnell for herself and beat the opposing team’s defensive strategy.

huckleberryfriend on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

You all are over reacting to something that has nothing to do with you. This isn’t about the Nation. Yet!

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM

You are exactly right. I have Rick Perry to deal with – Palin’s resignation has absolutely nothing to do with me.

Palin spelled out the reasons why she is resigning. Why can’t people just accept what she said at face value? Why try to read between the lines? Makes no sense. All of this is pure speculation. Until she makes another move (if she makes one at all) everyone should just forget about her.

pullingmyhairout on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

You stink.
No, you stink.

You hate Alaska.
No, you hate Alaska.

You hate Reagan.
No, you hate Reagan.

Now you can skip pages 2-3. Glad to be of service.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:28

we can repeat our admiration for her until we are blue in the fingers

it won’t penetrate thick heads

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

It’s one thing to pull off a bandage and show someone your scab….it’s quite another to let them continue to pick at ad infinitum.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Your point?

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I don’t. I have a lot of antipathy and bewilderment towards her resignation.

As I’ve said before, I voted for McCain in 2008, and only because of Palin. I’ve stated my support for Palin numerous times. I made my support of her clear on my defunct blog. People can stop with the “you hate her if you don’t support her resignation” crap.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM

Well, that explains alot. What you are then is massively disappointed that she MAY have flamed-out. I sometimes feel she did too but then I remember all the pressure and vitriol towards her before her convention speech and she hit it out of the park. I was totally blown-away at how strong of a person she really is. Take heart – I think she will be a very powerful voice for conservative causes!

KickandSwimMom on July 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM

That is in fact exactly what she said the reasons were.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Well then, no problems. I hadn’t watched the speech (shoddy connection at home not so good for long video), but what others (Ed) were saying about it didn’t include all of that.

Count to 10 on July 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Willfully ignoring my other posts, I see. That’s fine. I succinctly laid out my issues with her resignation. Either you are truly interested and will read and/or respond to them, or you’re trolling.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Man you are some kind of masochist. With a victim complex.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Idk what sort of game is afoot (If any), but if the Palin Family is happy, then I am too. They work hard, are decent and earnest Americans…and in many ways model citizens (keep it real…), and they have won the admiration of many people in a very short period of time.

What ever the cause was, they know what they are doing and that’s what really matters.

bluelightbrigade on July 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

huckleberryfriend on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Comparative versus absolute advantage.

pugwriter on July 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Back to avoiding Gov. Palin threads for me, too many people I admire acting less then admirably. Y’all liked each other last week.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM

What she said. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear someone’s been passing around the KoolAid here at HA.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Enough with The Sarah Quitter Show.

Falz on July 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Why do you care if she “quit”? WTF does this have to do with you?

Why not let the Alaskans worry about it…

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM
You can taste their fear its awesome.

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Her following gives me pause… odd, I know.

petunia on July 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM
And the level of hatred displayed by the anti-Palin people gives medical professionals concern.

katiejane on July 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM

The “anti-Palin” people on this site are few and far between.

We all voted for her to be our Vice-President! Now stop accusing us of hating her!

Go to the sites where people really do hate her and get mad at them we just want to examine her actions and give our opinions on them.

petunia on July 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

I am wishing that my governor, Strickland, would resign from his position. I would also happily accept any reason he gave for doing so.

I have to wish for this because the odds of him getting an Argentinian mistress are pretty slim.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Well, that explains alot. What you are then is massively disappointed that she MAY have flamed-out. I sometimes feel she did too but then I remember all the pressure and vitriol towards her before her convention speech and she hit it out of the park. I was totally blown-away at how strong of a person she really is. Take heart – I think she will be a very powerful voice for conservative causes!

KickandSwimMom on July 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM

I hope she will, too. I hope Karl Rove is dealing out the most wily joker he’s ever played.

However, it doesn’t seem that way to me, or to a lot of people, and a lot of those people are being crucified for airing those opinions. I’m not trying to convince anyone she’s toast, because I don’t know for sure, nor does anyone else. I’m just not going to stand by while a bunch of starry-eyed devotees label others as “traitors” for thinking this. It’s revolting.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Why do you care if she “quit”? WTF does this have to do with you?

Why not let the Alaskans worry about it…

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Indeed Upi. Who knew the resignation of a Governor of a state would cause the world to melt, cats & dogs living together, and drive the media mem for 3 solid days.

Why would the world be so enamored with Sarah Palin?

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

I am glad that Palin has resigned and can now be the conservative power for change that she was destined to be.

And I disagree as to the negative impact of Palin’s quitting mid-term.

BILL CLINTON QUIT HIS ARKANSAS GOVERNOR OFFICE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 1992 NOTWITHSTANDING HIS SPECIFIC PROMISE TO NOT DO SO.

molonlabe28 on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Now you can skip pages 2-3. Glad to be of service.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Thank you. I think I will.:)

Count to 10 on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Man you are some kind of masochist. With a victim complex.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM

I’ll remember that next time someone ignores your argument.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM

You can taste their fear its awesome.

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

What fear? I am stating the freaking obvious! LOL… who disagrees with me? Not many.

Also.. pretty interesting how you are attacking those who have and are supporter of Sarah. Does Sarah bother you or what?

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Maybe its your name that confuses them? LOL

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM

All this discussion is fun, I mean that’s why we have these forums, but ultimately it will be up to the primary voters to decide if she is still viable as a candidate. I personally think she is but we will have to wait a while to find out. I accept her reason for quitting, it doesn’t change my opinion. I still think she is the best conservative out there, but we will see if I and others who feel the same are the majority of primary voters or if we represent the minority.

Rose on July 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM

I am wishing that my governor, Strickland, would resign from his position. I would also happily accept any reason he gave for doing so.

I have to wish for this because the odds of him getting an Argentinian mistress are pretty slim.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

If Stricland resigns, everyone in Ohio wins lol.

They won’t even call him a quitter, b/c hell he’d be doing Ohioans a favor.

That babbling buffoon still can’t get a damn budget together and has resorted to name-calling the Ohio Senate leader.

Shoulda been Blackwell in the Gov. House

bluelightbrigade on July 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM

BILL CLINTON QUIT HIS ARKANSAS GOVERNOR OFFICE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 1992 NOTWITHSTANDING HIS SPECIFIC PROMISE TO NOT DO SO.

molonlabe28 on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

…are we really comparing Palin to Clinton?

*cries*

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Willfully ignoring my other posts, I see. That’s fine. I succinctly laid out my issues with her resignation. Either you are truly interested and will read and/or respond to them, or you’re trolling.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Trolling? Please…

Whatever happened to the concept of allowing someone to decide life decisions on their own and celebrating that. I’m not the biggest Palin fan but I am gaining a great respect for her by this action. You don’t know what will happen in the future but you seem hell-bent to define her future for her. Why not allow her to make her own decisions and support her without joining the chorus of those who would make her course even more difficult?

Have you had you name smeared all over the media? Do you know what’s best for her? It seems you, and a lot of other “supporters” might be more upset that she didn’t confer with you before making this decision than anything else.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

LMFAO But I FEAR Sarah!

HELLO! I and another “commenter” here brought her to Ed’s and Allah’s attention!

Wow, didn’t expect that prediction did they!

Some people need to step back and take a breath. I cracks me up to no end that The “End” is now due to a resignation of a Governor that has nothing to do with them, their State or way of life. Yet!

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Serve it up, Madison. I’ll take a double.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Double white russian for the hot blonde midget. Next?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Are you vertically challenged? LOL

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Whatever happened to the concept of allowing someone to decide life decisions on their own and celebrating that.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 1:38 PM

I’m sitting here blinking again.

You’re now suggesting “judge not”?

*blinks*

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I’m just not going to stand by while a bunch of starry-eyed devotees label others as “traitors” for thinking this. It’s revolting.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

This guy and a few others have been here spreading this strawman talking points for days.

He has now labeled readers “starry eyed” “palin cult”, etc.

A few trolls popped in (when he was logged in) and used the “traitor” word.

Give up MadConMan.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I’m just not going to stand by while a bunch of starry-eyed devotees label others as “traitors” for thinking this. It’s revolting.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

i think these people are so fired up about her and defend her so much beacuse michael steele and the rest of those at the top of the republican party are not doing their job attacking obama and his policies and are not out there educating the truly brainless into seeing what he is doing to the country. or have i been asleep? has michael steel been out there doing anything lately? has anyone really? if you remember her speech at the republican convention, you will remember she stuck a knife into obama and twisted it and broke it off. i don’t know about you, but i want MORE of that. much, much, much more!

Ghoul aid on July 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

However, it doesn’t seem that way to me, or to a lot of people, and a lot of those people are being crucified for airing those opinions. I’m not trying to convince anyone she’s toast, because I don’t know for sure, nor does anyone else. I’m just not going to stand by while a bunch of starry-eyed devotees label others as “traitors” for thinking this. It’s revolting.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM

It is hard to stay positive when you hear nothing but people trash her – from both parties. Remember, though, most of these folks only know how to do politics one way – the traditional way. If you think about it though, the traditional way of politics is what is turning-off so many in this country today. Lets see how this all shakes out and not panic until something (other than the pontifications of pundits & operatives) gives us reason to.

KickandSwimMom on July 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Here is the best analysis I have heard of the Palin thing from VDH at NRO. I have come to the conclusion she wants out of politics all together. I hope I am wrong

Writing Sarah Off [Victor Davis Hanson]

Conventional wisdom suggests that short-term the Palin decision was unwise — e.g., “quitter,” unpredictable, sulking, etc. But what else are her critics really going to say? It’s not like a Letterman can trump laughing at her on late-night television as he puns that a Yankees star had sex in a dugout with her 14-year old daughter. Can Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic’s website go beyond his slurs that she did not deliver her own child? How much more cleverly can N.Y. feminist pundits tsk-tsk her that she’s a Wasilla trailer-park retread?

In other words, it doesn’t matter that much what critics say, but — should she pursue politics — only what she does with her newfound time, especially if she travels widely, studies foreign policy, and helps galvanize the party base.

In the long run, she can lecture, earn a good income through speaking, develop a coterie of advisers and supporters, take care of her family, not have the constant political warring on all flanks, and invest time in reflecting and studying issues, visit the country, meet leaders, etc. She’s not looking at 2012; but in eight years by 2016 she will be far more savvy, still young, and far more experienced. It matters not all that the Left writes her off as daffy, since they were going to do that whatever she did; the key is whether she convinces conservatives in eight years of travel and reflection that she’s a charismatic Margaret Thatcher-type heavyweight.

kangjie on July 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

…are we really comparing Palin to Clinton?

*cries*

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Why are you crying? Clinton quit and no-one cared. He still managed to win.

gh on July 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

I’m sitting here blinking again.

You’re now suggesting “judge not”?

*blinks*

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

HAH. I think we’ve both gone past the “judging” aspects of this debate. But that was a cute comment.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

That’s his MO, in lots of threads. It’s tremendously annoying.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM

It is crystal clear from watching Ed’s take on this that he knows very little about Alaska or Sarah Palin

joey24007 on July 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Good grief, I’m sooooo tired of reading statements like this. Are you Sarah’s best friend, neighbor, staff member and you know better than the rest of us?

Stop the insanity and stop insulting the host’s of this site.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

If, however, Palin wants to pursue national office rather than just be an activist for the rest of her life, her resignation will prove a very messy hurdle. Alaskans trusted her with their higher office on the assumption that she would take it seriously enough to complete the term.

Can you not hear? She was prevented from doing her job by those following the Alinsky playbook. Good grief.

Basilsbest on July 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Why do you care if she “quit”? WTF does this have to do with you?

Why not let the Alaskans worry about it…

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM

I’m super late to the party, but…are you serious?

A woman who ran on the GOP ticket, is talked about as a new conservative icon and has every shot in the world to be the GOP nominee in 2012 quits as governor halfway through her term and you say “Nothing to see here, it’s Alaska’s business, not yours”.
What kind of weak deflection is that?

I’m assuming you said nary a word about Sanford considering you’re not in SC, right?

SouthernDem on July 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

A few trolls popped in (when he was logged in) and used the “traitor” word.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

…and a bunch of others jumped on the same people who called them out. Give it a rest, farleft(oo oo, see I can do it too! Manipulating others’ usernames is advanced discourse!)

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Killing good yet seemingly nascent candidates isn’t helping the party.

LastRick on July 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

HA did quite a good job during the primaries of giving the social/fiscal conservatives room to attack one another with plenty of Mormon-bashing to drive a wedge in the evangelical vote that was beginning to rally around Romney as opposed to faux-evangelical Huckabee. It was not a place for serious dialogue because many good points were essentially ignored until after the primaries were over and then it was straight into the same kind of blind stupid loyalty that Palin supporters can rightfully be accused of engaging in now.

It is appropriate to challenge politicians. It is appropriate to have disagreements with them on various issues and to agree with them on others. It is utterly inappropriate, over three years before the elections for Palin’s supporters to demand that we STFU and get behind the candidacy of a particular individual.

highhopes on July 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:28

we can repeat our admiration for her until we are blue in the fingers

it won’t penetrate thick heads

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

No it won’t…save your energy…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Stop the insanity and stop insulting the host’s of this site.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Don’t worry about it. Allah said that he doesn’t read the comments here and Ed might not, either.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Let it be and watch what happens.!

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM

You are wise as always. But I still say the timing is brilliant. I am not about to doubt a Women this strong. I say it again, If I was on the front lines of battle, She would be the one I wanted gaurding my back.

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

SouthernDem on July 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Actually I defended him until his “affair” came out and you can go check on my record as to me SAYING that it is the people of SC who need to figure out what they want to do with him, no one else.

Don’t trust me.. go check out the Sanford threads.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Don’t worry about it. Allah said that he doesn’t read the comments here and Ed might not, either.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Allah replies in the threads sometimes. So does Ed.

gh on July 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

i think these people are so fired up about her and defend her so much beacuse michael steele and the rest of those at the top of the republican party are not doing their job attacking obama and his policies and are not out there educating the truly brainless into seeing what he is doing to the country. or have i been asleep? has michael steel been out there doing anything lately? has anyone really? if you remember her speech at the republican convention, you will remember she stuck a knife into obama and twisted it and broke it off. i don’t know about you, but i want MORE of that. much, much, much more!

Ghoul aid on July 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Was it too much to ask that she do that while remaining governor of Alaska? Wasn’t she in a much better position to do that when Obama’s actions were highly related to her job, such as when she initially turned away the stimulus money for her state?

I do want more, but I get the feeling that this new paradigm she’s entered will dilute the impact her words have on the voting public.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

gh on July 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

I’m just telling you what he said.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

CindyMunford is right. These Palin threads aren’t doing much good.

CindyMunford 2012!

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Why are you crying?

gh on July 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Because somebody actually compared Palin to a sex offender.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Don’t bother knucks

they operate on an emotional level much like
but not as much as
the obamatrons

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Back to avoiding Gov. Palin threads for me, too many people I admire acting less then admirably. Y’all liked each other last week.

Cindy Munford on July 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM

What she said. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear someone’s been passing around the KoolAid here at HA.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Michael Corleone: How bad do you think it’s gonna be?

Clemenza: Pretty bad. Probably all the other Families will line up against us. That’s all right. These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one.

GOP settling things that have been brewing for a LONG TIME.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Actually I defended him until his “affair” came out and you can go check on my record as to me SAYING that it is the people of SC who need to figure out what they want to do with him, no one else.

Don’t trust me.. go check out the Sanford threads.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Very true.

Got your back Upinak. Not that you need it.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Don’t trust me.. go check out the Sanford threads.
upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:44 PM

No, I do trust you. Although I quit commenting a long while back (during the election), I still read many of the threads and like your comments.

I just find the “It’s not your state, don’t worry about it” argument to be weak sauce.

SouthernDem on July 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Sarah Palin can’t win with her detractors, because her detractors don’t want her or anyone like her in a leadership role in the party. Simple as that.

spmat on July 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

not if she couldn’t do her job because of all the complaints put upon her and if it was costing her money. her own money to defend herself. again, it costs NOTHING for these pigs to level a complaint against her. it COSTS palin to defend herself. i believe she is now free to fly anwhere she wants to. like for instance, she is free to fly to the next tea party and raise shitloads of cash and draw shitloads of crowds. anywhere she goes now she will be on FIRE. and you can bet the people will go see her. brilliant move.

Ghoul aid on July 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM

If, however, Palin wants to pursue national office rather than just be an activist for the rest of her life, her resignation will prove a very messy hurdle. Alaskans trusted her with their higher office on the assumption that she would take it seriously enough to complete the term. Voters would have understood if she had to resign in January to become Vice President, but because — in her own words — she didn’t want to deal with governing as a “lame duck.” The first question in any campaign debate for Palin from now on will be, “Will you quit in the middle of a presidential term if you get disenchanted or get ethics complaints filed against you?”

This frustrates me to tears. WHO KNEW that these lefty a-holes would turn her life into a freakshow? Who knew that she would have 500K in debt in 9 months due to Saul Alinsky tactics? If she stays in office for another 16 months, she’d be looking at an extrapolated legal debt of 1.4 million dollars. Not to mention her in-state enemies and how they would pile on as well.

As far as I’m concerned, anyone who expresses a lack of understanding as to what is going on here is either stupid or craven or both. And anyone who doesn’t condemn what is happening is a jackass.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM

I just find the “It’s not your state, don’t worry about it” argument to be weak sauce.

SouthernDem on July 6, 2009 at 1:47 PM

True. But one thing is true. What would you do if it was Alaska? And you were the Alaskan?

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Because somebody actually compared Palin to a sex offender.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

The context was about quitting as governor.

gh on July 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM

I do want more, but I get the feeling that this new paradigm she’s entered will dilute the impact her words have on the voting public.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Exactly!

Why is that so hard to understand?

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I agree that she shouldn’t have even brought “lame duck” into her resignation speech, though. In the long run, the only people who harp on that don’t get it anyway, so I guess it doesn’t matter.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Don’t bother knucks

they operate on an emotional level much like
but not as much as
the obamatrons

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Pick me and up and let’s head out to the beach. I’m sure this thread will still be going when we get back.

You naughty troll you LOL.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 1:51 PM

It is hard to stay positive when you hear nothing but people trash her – from both parties. Remember, though, most of these folks only know how to do politics one way – the traditional way. If you think about it though, the traditional way of politics is what is turning-off so many in this country today. Lets see how this all shakes out and not panic until something (other than the pontifications of pundits & operatives) gives us reason to.

KickandSwimMom on July 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Tell that to those that are panicking. If they really think this won’t hurt Palin, why are they so hostile those that think it will?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

The “anti-Palin” people on this site are few and far between.

We all voted for her to be our Vice-President! Now stop accusing us of hating her!

Go to the sites where people really do hate her and get mad at them we just want to examine her actions and give our opinions on them.

petunia on July 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM

Tru dat.

And just because some of us aren’t uber-thrilled with the idea of her as GOP POTUS nominee, doesn’t mean we’re “anti Palin”.

And it doesn’t make one a RINO either. We all pretty much have the same goals. So we have to unite.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

My only visits to HA comments have been for the Sanford meltdown and now this Palin resignation. Passions are high, but you really don’t want to sink to the left of GuardianTalk, do you?

disa on July 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

MadConMan summary:

The media might say bad things about Sarah when she runs again. We better worry. Anyone that doesn’t agree calls me a traitor. I am the only person that sees this problem. I will paste it in every 11 minutes.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:36 PM

I meant the lefts fear. I`m sorry if it did`nt come across that way. I have not attacked any Palin supporter.

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Was it too much to ask that she do that while remaining governor of Alaska? Wasn’t she in a much better position to do that when Obama’s actions were highly related to her job, such as when she initially turned away the stimulus money for her state?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Her Republicans in their legislature did NOT support her on turning down that money. Most of what she wanted to turn down she eventualy had to accept, as the Legislature was going to over rule her. Moral victory, political defeat.

Which would have been the mantra of anything she tried to do the rest of her term in office.

She was able to over ride the GOP Alaska machine for awhile, because of her very high polling numbers, but once those polling numbers began to fall to normal levels, the GOP went back to business as usual, ie, party above all, and just who does this upstart think she is.

Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

not if she couldn’t do her job because of all the complaints put upon her and if it was costing her money. her own money to defend herself. again, it costs NOTHING for these pigs to level a complaint against her. it COSTS palin to defend herself. i believe she is now free to fly anwhere she wants to. like for instance, she is free to fly to the next tea party and raise shitloads of cash and draw shitloads of crowds. anywhere she goes now she will be on FIRE. and you can bet the people will go see her. brilliant move.

Ghoul aid on July 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I hope you’re right. I also hope those events aren’t ruined by people wondering if she’s going to walk out 2/3 of the way through the event.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 1:51

not a bad idea
I’m all for people disagreeing on this

however I don’t think Ed is a sexist or elitist
same for krauthammer
or douthat

if I’m a troll for that
for calling out irrational behavior
so motherfcking be it!

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Let’s see here, some are saying this & some are saying that. Have I got it right? I would like to just give historical take from history which may or may not enlighten the pundits of today. It revolves around a simple premise: It was not the “people in the know” (political pundits?) in 1864 that supported or predicted that Abraham Lincoln victory, in was the actual voters who supported Lincoln. Lincoln, according to the then pundits of that day was up against insurmountable odds to achieve and hold onto his position of POTUS. It was the people of the then U.S. who believed in him an voted for him overwhelmingly.
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From the web site; govcentral.com. The year was 1864…….
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Lincoln vs McClellan
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Though martyred and revered now, it’s easy to forget Abraham Lincoln was written off for reelection in 1864. It had been three decades since a U.S. President had been reelected. The country was in the middle of the Civil War; there had been huge protests over Lincoln’s draft and the war was going badly.

Democrats, who backed General George McClellan, whom Lincoln had fired as commander of the Union Army, called Lincoln ignorant, corrupt, and incompetent in newspaper columns and leaflets. Two reporters at the New York World newspaper published an anti-Lincoln brochure positing Lincoln Republicans advocated “Miscegenation,” or the blending of the black and white races, to invigorate the country and strengthen society. Anti-Lincoln papers ran with the story, printing editorials and cartoons.
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I have a request that all HA commenters notice that somethings change & somethings still remain the same.
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Sarah Palin’s future is not set. I implore all of you to be patient. The people of America don’t always agree with the opinions of “people in the know.” History is an education of that fact. Let us hope we will witness history repeat itself once again concerning the people of U.S.A. vs. the “people in the know” (political pundits)

Americannodash on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Here’s a completely different take on Palin from Angelo M. Codevilla on NRO/Corner (he’s a visiting fellow at Princeton). Read carefully — it’s quite positive.

gh on July 6, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Excellent article.

The election in 2010 will be a populist movement. The election in 2012 will be an even bigger populist movement because by then, we’ll all be standing on our toes with water lapping our chins.

Who better to lead a huge populist movement straight into the Oval office than a woman who struck a major chord with the very folks who make up this movement? Could Romney or Huck do that? I don’t see it.

This election is going to come down to people like me tired of people like Pelosi, Bill Mahar, Letterman, and the rest of them looking down their noses at me and attacking my life at every turn.

There is one person I think will convey that message to Washington – it’s the person they attack the worst out of any of us. Sarah Palin. They hate her guts so much and like that article says, it’s because she’s just like us.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

All I can say Madison is keep the faith. Things will become clearer to us all very soon. As we all have seen, things can change faster than a “New York Minute.”

KickandSwimMom on July 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM

If they really think this won’t hurt Palin, why are they so hostile those that think it will?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Maybe it’s because they feel she should have a chance at making this work for her without a lot of harping from those who somehow feel this is an affront to them.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM

I hope you’re right. I also hope those events aren’t ruined by people wondering if she’s going to walk out 2/3 of the way through the event.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Axelrod talking points

TROLL ALERT

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t…..this seems to be the mantra that hammers in my head when it comes to Sarah. People are going to attack her, regardless, so she might as well do what she wants and be done with it.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM

And just because some of us aren’t uber-thrilled with the idea of her as GOP POTUS nominee, doesn’t mean we’re “anti Palin”.

And it doesn’t make one a RINO either. We all pretty much have the same goals. So we have to unite.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

Yo Jetboy – are you interested in having someone revitalize the conservative movement? Let’s not put the cart before the horse. America needs Palin now – by 2012 there may not be much left to save. She’s a proven commodity in bringing out the votes for conservatives – that’s her value at this point in time. So let’s unite behind that goal.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Fair enough, but does that mean she’d quit mid-term in a second presidential term if we had a democrat-controlled congress, or a RINO-controlled one?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

But rather than rising above the squalor, Palin has fully engaged on each point.

Exactly. And that’s why we love this woman…isn’t it apparent that she doesn’t give jack about the poo-pooing and nonsensical “drama” talk in elitist circles? How mush more evidence does the washed-up media and run-of-the-mill political ‘intelligensia’ need to get over themselves?

RepubChica on July 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

TROLL ALERT

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Don’t worry, we know you’re here.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

And it doesn’t make one a RINO either. We all pretty much have the same goals. So we have to unite.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 1:52 PM

and i say untie behind palin cuz you know damn well she will stick it to obama when in front of any microphone or camera. once again? where has michael steele been lately????

Ghoul aid on July 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Fair enough, but does that mean she’d quit mid-term in a second presidential term if we had a democrat-controlled congress, or a RINO-controlled one?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

TROLL ALERT

Now she’s a “quitter”

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I don’t see people here saying

she’s a slutty looking flight attendant
white trash
no one here theorizes about trig
or calls her a dumb wolf hunting hick

yet we are condemned in a way that would make an outside observer
think we did such things

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

What would you do if it was Alaska? And you were the Alaskan?

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:49 PM

And my governor was, as I said, a new conservative icon and a very appealing pick for 2012? I’d recognize it as a massive news story with every conservatives interest at heart.

SouthernDem on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Blah.. lets have a Beer! Alaskan Amber. Where is Lady? Let’s have a party.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Maybe it’s because they feel she should have a chance at making this work for her without a lot of harping from those who somehow feel this is an affront to them.

genso on July 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM

People don’t think it’s an affront to them. They think it’s a bad move. Can you see the difference?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

if I’m a troll for that
for calling out irrational behavior
so motherfcking be it!

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

I hope you’re right. I also hope those events aren’t ruined by people wondering if she’s going to walk out 2/3 of the way through the event.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Axelrod talking points

TROLL ALERT

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Neither of these posters are trolls.

This is getting ridiculous.

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I’m here…oh, sent you an email earlier…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM

I don’t know about you, but I don’t quit a job without another already lined up.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:18 PM

In fact, most employers frown upon applicants who do what she did here.

Here’s how much I hate Sarah Palin.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Thanks for reminding me how I felt back then. It’s hard to remember that now.

Are you vertically challenged? LOL

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM

:) Madison seems to think so. I’m almost 5ft. 4in. But so long as he’s keeping my cup filled, I won’t complain.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM

This is getting ridiculous.

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

It’s been ridiculous since some people lost their cookies that Ed didn’t think it was a good idea for her to quit.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM

And my governor was, as I said, a new conservative icon and a very appealing pick for 2012? I’d recognize it as a massive news story with every conservatives interest at heart.

SouthernDem on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

I know. But unlike Sanford… Palin isn’t doing anything stupid. She is stepping down… so that Alaskans have the leadership they need. And the people of America can begin to have her.

Darn I have to share her now!

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM

But so long as he’s keeping my cup filled, I won’t complain.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 1:58 PM

So that’s what you call it…

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Fair enough, but does that mean she’d quit mid-term in a second presidential term if we had a democrat-controlled congress, or a RINO-controlled one?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Madcon, that corny argument hasn’t worked all weekend….how much did the ‘Is Obama gonna vote ‘present’ as CIC’? work against the sitting president during the elections? It’s weak. Not saying that with the deranged media it wouldn’t have an effect on at least some dolts on the fence.

RepubChica on July 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM

yet we are condemned in a way that would make an outside observer
think we did such things

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM

The weak-minded can’t handle differences of opinion…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 1:59 PM

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