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Examiner vs Examiner on Palin

posted at 12:05 pm on July 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Ever since Sarah Palin announced her resignation from office, conservatives have debated on the merits of the choice, including in the lengthy comment threads at Hot Air.  Even the Washington Examiner, one of the leading new lights of conservative media, has found itself at odds internally over Palin’s actions.  Editorial page editor and longtime conservative stalwart Mark Tapscott says that conventional wisdom cannot explain Palin:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s announcement of her resignation cannot be read in terms of the conventional wisdom of politics -  i.e. that she’s getting out ahead of some damaging political revelation she knows is right around the corner, she’s fed up with the constant personal attacks on her and her family, or she’s running for president in 2012 and wants to be free of the constraints of office.

A close reading of her actual words in her announcement reveals otherwise. The key fact about Palin is that she is not a conventional politician. She actually means what she says, which is why her statement must be read in light of that fact, not that she has ulterior motives. …

Palin is embarking on an independent path in nationa politics that, if she is successful, will lead to a new third force. Not necessarily a third party, but definitely a populist insurrection that could reshape American politics for years to come. Does the Tea Party Protests movement come to mind?

Prisoners of conventional wisdom almost certainly will miss the significance of Palin’s decision. But they’ve never understood why she struck such a powerful chord with everyday Americans in 2008, so we ought not be surprised that this announcement is [completely] beyond their ability to understand what is really happening.

Chris Stirewalt, the political editor at the Examiner, says that Tapscott’s missing the point.  Palin’s problem has been the incessant drama, and that this only adds to her credibility problem with the majority of the electorate:

Sarah Palin learned a lot of things in her time as John McCain’s running mate — about the savagery of the media; about the duplicity of politicos; about her own gifts as a politician.

But she did not learn the most important lesson of 2008: no drama. …

David Letterman’s gross, unfunny joke about Palin’s teenage daughter, the ongoing skirmish among the former McCainiacs and the frivolous ethics complaints against her by Democratic hacks are all just part of life for Palin these days. But rather than rising above the squalor, Palin has fully engaged on each point. She stayed in the headlines blasting washed-up Letterman for days, continued to dish about the failings of McCain’s campaign and quit office blaming the ethics complaints for her departure.

There is always a lot of sound and fury around Palin, but does it signify anything other than her status as a celebrity?

Michael Barone, who is, well, Michael Barone, just throws his hands in the air:

I was astonished by Sarah Palin’s announcement that she is going to resign as Governor of Alaska. I’ve read over her “point guard” explanation for doing so, and I still don’t get it. She’s says he going to advance the causes she believes in by leaving public office? She will evidently leave office with only 16 months to go in her term (she says she’ll resign July 26 and Alaska governors take office in December); why not serve out the 16 months? It’s not that long a time. …

Some are hailing her resignation as a political masterstroke. I’m just puzzled. How does resigning as governor strengthen her as a presidential candidate?

All of these have elements of the truth.  If all Palin wants to be is a speaker and activist, then her resignation as governor of Alaska won’t hurt her at all.  Thanks to her notoriety, Palin will attract crowds and media wherever she goes and whatever she does.  If she chooses to be chair of the Tea Party Movement, I suspect most would be happy to grant her the title, and she’d be effective at it.

If, however, Palin wants to pursue national office rather than just be an activist for the rest of her life, her resignation will prove a very messy hurdle.  Alaskans trusted her with their higher office on the assumption that she would take it seriously enough to complete the term.  Voters would have understood if she had to resign in January to become Vice President, but because — in her own words — she didn’t want to deal with governing as a “lame duck.”  The first question in any campaign debate for Palin from now on will be, “Will you quit in the middle of a presidential term if you get disenchanted or get ethics complaints filed against you?”

Palin’s supporters might think that resigning is a brilliant strategic stroke, but those are by far not enough to get her elected President, as the last election pretty clearly showed.  Palin needed to build a sober resumé as an executive, someone who could show that the media had her all wrong — someone, as Stirewalt points out, could have her substance eclipse her celebrity.  Palin needed to build a broader base, not narrow it down to the true believers, and she had an opportunity to do that by finishing out her term in the tough conditions of an economic downturn.  Instead, she resigned to leverage her celebrity, which will not convince current non-believers and political agnostics of her substance.  Instead, it gives them even more reason to distrust Palin.

In the end, perhaps the two sides of the Palin debate have talked past each other for the last few days.  If Palin wants to be freed up to give speeches and focus on the faithful, her resignation will not dim those possibilities at all.  If she plans to advance in national office, though, she has to address the “conventional” as well as the unconventional to win national office, and resigning halfway through a first term is no way to go about it.


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They should report the news, whatever that is. If it hurts a Republican, so be it. If it hurts a Democrat, so be it.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:10 PM

It’s called objectivity. It’s also called “kryptonite” by nearly all journalism professors.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Conventional wisdom was correct. Without France, we would have lost.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:03 PM

How many years did we fight before France came in?

And they would not support us until it looked like we may very well win without them (and had a further falling out with Britain while we were fighting…).

I read a very interesting paper a few years back that gave us a better than 50% chance of completing the Revolution on our own… due to other things going on in Britain’s sphere of influence.

But if we had followed Conventional Wisdom, we never would have Rebelled until we were ensured of Frances support.

Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 5:12 PM

I’m going back to banging my head against the wall.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:09 PM

What, being governor is suddenly an untraditional path to the White House now?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:13 PM

no matter who is in power

So the msm was on the Bush administration and republicans side from 2000 through 2006? The republlican congress from 1994 through 2006?

Someone please take my bullets away, the wall isn’t numbing things quick enough and I’m afraid of what I may do!

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Someone please take my bullets away…

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Gun grabber.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM

I read a very interesting paper a few years back that gave us a better than 50% chance of completing the Revolution on our own… due to other things going on in Britain’s sphere of influence.

Is that supposed to be reassuring?

But if we had followed Conventional Wisdom, we never would have Rebelled until we were ensured of Frances support.

Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Certainly. But if we’d believed so much in our own power and completely ignored Conventional Wisdom so much so that we’d neglected a partnership with France, then we’d most likely have lost.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:16 PM

So the msm was on the Bush administration and republicans side from 2000 through 2006? The republlican congress from 1994 through 2006?

I never said that. You’re the one who said they were on the side of power. I disagree with that.

I don’t know what you’re smoking that makes you think the argument went the other way around, but it’s cruel not to share at a time like this.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:20 PM

I never said that. You’re the one who said they were on the side of power. I disagree with that.

You’re impossible. I don’t even think you are human anymore. I think you are some kind of blogger secret software that baits commenters into going round and round in circles. I’m argueing with a computer program that cannot be beat.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM

You’re impossible. I don’t even think you are human anymore. I think you are some kind of blogger secret software that baits commenters into going round and round in circles. I’m argueing with a computer program that cannot be beat.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Come now. Esthier is very rational… Well, I guess in someways computer programs are too…

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:29 PM

I’m argueing with a computer program that cannot be beat.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM

O… K

Madison, you made the drinks too strong.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Madison, you made the drinks too strong.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:30 PM

Small people, small constitution.

Shall I fill your cup some more?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 5:32 PM

I don’t know if you guys have ever read neo-neocon, but she has had a couple of interesting posts up on Palin the last few days. This is a large piece of one of them:

But this post at a feminist blog on the Left, defending Palin (yes, you read that right: defending Palin) is well worth reading, including its comments section, even if you think you’re getting sick of the subject. It offers a very different take.

Pseudonymous blogger and feminist Violet Socks isn’t in agreement with Palin on much of anything political. But she is outraged by the venom unleashed almost from the start in Palin’s direction, especially that spit out by women, and in particular feminist women (something I noticed and remarked on here and here).

Violet tries to explain it, and makes a valiant and impressive effort to do not only that, but to sort out the vicious lies from the truth (hint: it’s mostly the former that constitutes the bulk of the rumors about Palin). I’m always gratified to see someone on the other side try to be fair to Palin (or anybody, for that matter), and I think Violet gets a lot of it right. I won’t try to summarize what she says; read the whole thing to get the flavor of it. But her best (and already much-quoted line) is:

These people don’t hate Palin because of the lies; the lies exist to justify the hate.

Bingo.

If Violet ends up saying she still can’t really explain it all, and is feeling somewhat stumped by the phenomenon, I think that’s because Palin-hatred has a highly emotional and irrational aspect. This element was best summed up by comment #237 in the thread, which struck a big chord with me by comparing the process to the famous Shirley Jackson short story “The Lottery,” which describes but does not explain the ritual stoning of a woman by villagers.

Palin-hatred has mysterious irrational aspects, but it also has explicable and indentifiable ones. And although no single one of them is sufficient to account for the phenomenon, together they have a powerful synergistic effect. You might say that Palin-hated represents the perfect storm, the confluence of flashpoints regarding class, education, beauty, sexuality, Christianity (don’t discount the latter; it’s important to the hatred and comes with a whole set of assumptions, some of which Violet discusses at some length), and female ambition.

In a particular irony, Palin is indeed a feminist (as Violet also points out). She’s just not their kind of feminist, according to the predominantly Leftist and liberal feminist establishment. So she is especially infuriating to them, a sort of feminist Uncle Tom, who receives the sort of ire ordinarily reserved for people like Clarence Thomas, considered a traitor to his race for being a conservative Republican.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 5:38 PM

peacenprosperity:

I think the Republicans would have had a bigger majority if not for the msm and I also think that they would not have been blamed for so much if it had not been for the msm.

For instance, I recall reading a blurb back in September 2003 about Bush wanting to take Fannie Mae and put it under the control of the feds because Congress was not doing their job, or so he felt. It was said by the NYT that it would be the biggest change in lending rules in decades. But of course the Democrats blocked it and not enough Republicans stood with Bush to make the change.

But the larger point is that the NYT was not really all that interested in the fact that Bush felt like these changes were needed. The Democrats were happy with the way things were and that was good enough for them.

But who got the blame when it all blew up?

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 5:43 PM

But who got the blame when it all blew

up?

Well, one good part about the financial problems we face is that journalism is officially in flux. People cancelled newspapaper subscriptions. Nobody is making any money there.

This is an outstanding time for any conservative to enter journalism. It’s all about your audience appeal, so all bets are off as to which big media comes out.

Fox is now leading the pack, by a LONG shot. They constitute more audience share on TV than all the rest put together.

That may explain the energy behind the competitors. They simply can’t even touch Fox.

Worse, the “journalism studies” showed that Fox was actually more even-handed in coverage. There goes the theory that it’s all conservative, all day.

If conservative bloggers want to be HuffPo? There is nothing stopping them.

Put together the money. Do it.

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 5:48 PM

In a particular irony, Palin is indeed a feminist (as Violet also points out). She’s just not their kind of feminist, according to the predominantly Leftist and liberal feminist establishment. So she is especially infuriating to them, a sort of feminist Uncle Tom, who receives the sort of ire ordinarily reserved for people like Clarence Thomas, considered a traitor to his race for being a conservative Republican.

I agree with her. About 90% is sexism, including those who like her.

Everytime someone posts about how she looks, it’s just really another slap in the face.

That isn’t respect at all.

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Well, I guess in someways computer programs are too…

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:29 PM

I often disagree with that.

Shall I fill your cup some more?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 5:32 PM

What, once you fill it, it doesn’t stay filled?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Well, I said in someways ;)

I think computer programs are designed to mimic rationality as much as possible (at least in the way they execute). They don’t have emotions, so this is easier to attempt, but their designers are flawed humans…

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Ann:

Yes, it is always in flux. But I also think that liberals are more drawn to certain professions than conservatives and journalism is one of them.

And journalists can be just as partisan as anyone else.

That does not mean they can always cook the books for the Democrats, but they can give them an edge. And when something big and bad happens they are going to try and find a heavy among the people they do not like.

It is also true that they are often caught flat footed, not seeing the big thing until it is staring at them. I think their prejudices cloud their judgment to the point that they see what they want to see.

That is why Fox is doing as well as they. They are different from the rest.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 5:53 PM

What, once you fill it, it doesn’t stay filled?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM

I tend to overfill. Comes from using jumbo-size bottles.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 5:55 PM

but their designers are flawed humans…

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Certainly. I’m married to an IT guy. We work together, and he often gets an earful when his stuff breaks.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Ann:

Neocon has another interesting post up on class. She thinks that is the real divide, as much as political. I tend to agree with that.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Shall I fill your cup some more?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 5:32 PM
What, once you fill it, it doesn’t stay filled?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:50 PM

Get a room.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I tend to overfill. Comes from using jumbo-size bottles.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Ah, so more hammer and less surgical precision?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM

The only way the GOP has a chance in 2012 is to be unified. That’s going to require a lot of give and take. But it’s necessary. And I don’t see Palin as a unifier.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I don’t care about the GOP anymore; I care about America.

And I’m not going to be “unified” with them if they continue to slam Palin with friendly fire. You can kiss them good bye if it comes to that.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Get a room.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Hard to. You keep knocking down the walls with your head.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Oh, how I would love a ‘populist insurrection’–on our side.

jeanie on July 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Ah, so more hammer and less surgical precision?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Very foresightful of you.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Ah, so more hammer and less surgical precision?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:58 PM

A skilled diamond cutter can use a sledge to get the job done.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:09 PM

Get a room.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Don’t read the posts.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Hard to. You keep knocking down the walls with your head.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Does your husband know you are an internet trollop?

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Don’t read the posts.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM

I’d bet money you’ve been told often in your life that you don’t have much of a sense of humor.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:13 PM

I’d bet money you’ve been told often in your life that you don’t have much of a sense of humor.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Um…

Does your husband know you are an internet trollop?

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM

…I’d bet money that you’ve been told that.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:14 PM

I bet you’re an old guy who thinks he’s really charming and makes young women uncomfortable.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Very foresightful of you.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 6:02 PM

Madison’s reputation precedes him.

Does your husband know you are an internet trollop?

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Trollop? Do people still use that word any more?

But yes, of course he knows. We’re swingers. I’m trying to get Madison and his fiance to make it down to Texas for a party so he can show exactly how effective his sledge hammer can be. So far he’s been all talk.

Sometimes my husband does the scouting, but he’s politically liberal, and I’m sick of the DUmmies.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM

I bet you’re an old guy who thinks he’s really charming and makes young women uncomfortable.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Projection.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:19 PM

I bet you’re an old guy who thinks he’s really charming and makes young women uncomfortable.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM

You’ll see HornetSting making cracks about walkers. I’m feeling ancient about turning 27 later this year. Esthier is the same age but 40% of the height.

I know it upsets you that people you disagree with are enjoying themselves more than you. Too bad.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:20 PM

I’m feeling ancient about turning 27 later this year.

If you want to feel even older, try going to a Warped Tour. A friend had a free ticket, so I went yesterday thinking I’d catch a band or two I recognized. Over half of the people there were barely breaking into their teens.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM

If you want to feel even older, try going to a Warped Tour. A friend had a free ticket, so I went yesterday thinking I’d catch a band or two I recognized. Over half of the people there were barely breaking into their teens.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM

It makes me feel much older to recollect that most people I knew didn’t get to go to concerts until they were at least 15ish.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:25 PM

I bet you’re an old guy who thinks he’s really charming and makes young women uncomfortable.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Nope, that would be me… LOL…

Romeo13 on July 6, 2009 at 6:25 PM

It makes me feel much older to recollect that most people I knew didn’t get to go to concerts until they were at least 15ish.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:25 PM

I felt like a mother when I saw the kids going to the Trojan booth getting free condoms.

One girl’s friend yelled, “You have sex?”
Her reply, “well… yeah!” (like, duh)

But they were still young enough to blow them into odd little balloons to throw up in the mosh pits, which was kinda reassuring actually.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:28 PM

But they were still young enough to blow them into odd little balloons to throw up in the mosh pits, which was kinda reassuring actually.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:28 PM

I’ve seen people in their 20s do that.

Not reassuring.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:29 PM

I’ve seen people in their 20s do that.

Not reassuring.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Were they at least wasted?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Trollop? Do people still use that word any more?

But yes, of course he knows. We’re swingers. I’m trying to get Madison and his fiance to make it down to Texas for a party so he can show exactly how effective his sledge hammer can be. So far he’s been all talk.

Sometimes my husband does the scouting, but he’s politically liberal, and I’m sick of the DUmmies.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Yall are killing me here.LMAO Nice!

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 6:36 PM

atheling:

I care about America too. And…. one of the reasons I want to see the GOP be unified is that the only way to defeat Obama and his agenda.

I always find it interesting that so many people who profess such concern about impending doom are often as not the very people who refuse to do what is necessary to change things.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Were they at least wasted?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Maybe I’ve been in Madison too long, but it’s seriously indistinguishable. Some of the people who work in restaurants are either chronic drug users, have the IQ of a glass of water, or truly don’t think a single person is worthy of anything more than mild acknowledgment. Then again, some adults are that way too. Nearly came to blows with one of them a month or so ago.

People these days…suck.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:37 PM

I

would have never quit my position that I was elected to, nor surrendered to MSM smear merchants.

Knucklehead on July 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM

What an ignorant and arrogant comment. I guess you’re better than MacArthur.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 6:37 PM

and atheling, Palin is part of the GOP. Do not confuse a bunch of pundits or anonymous staffers with real rank and file Republicans.

I read somewhere that on August 8 Palin will be in Simi Valley to give a talk to Republican women. These people paid money to be there and they are all GOP.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM

atheling:

Knucklehead is a conservative, a long time commmenter here. There is nothing arrogant or ignorant about the comment, it is an honest opinion. To be honest, I am not sure why Palin resigned. It might be for her family. It might be to pursue her goals in another way.

I certainly would not blame her for that. But it is unusual and people will have different reactions to it. That does not mean they hate her or something.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Atheling has serious issues with a number of long time commenters, provided they don’t accept Palin’s resignation as Rovian. Anyone else, she cheers and buddies up with.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM

Yall are killing me here.LMAO Nice!

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Thanks. I was bracing myself for worse.

People these days…suck.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:37 PM

I’ve seen that myself. I waited tables for a couple years (before and after college for awhile), and I’d argue that those who aren’t on drugs are the exception. The job rarely drug tests and pays what most can expect out of college, hence the low IQs and bad attitudes.

I had sympathy for them while I was a waiter, but working at an office, making maybe half of what I had made, I’ve lost nearly all of it.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:46 PM

I do not believe you are stupid. You have an almost suicidal resolve to not think outside the box.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I noticed that too. Extremely rigid.

Reminds me of an old man who freaks out when the mail comes late.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 6:48 PM

What an ignorant and arrogant comment. I guess you’re better than MacArthur.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Pot, meet kettle:

Thanks, Ed Morrissey and Allahpundit, you traitors.

atheling on July 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 6:48 PM

I had sympathy for them while I was a waiter, but working at an office, making maybe half of what I had made, I’ve lost nearly all of it.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Amazing what a few years in menial service jobs can do to make you appreciate people who actually put forth enthusiasm and, dare I say it, service.

Tip strategy: Either tip very well, or not at all. Weeds out the slackers.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:49 PM

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Yeah, and you remind me of some annoying internet troll diluting the meaning of traitor by slinging it around at people who criticize those you bow to with beatification.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Tip strategy: Either tip very well, or not at all. Weeds out the slackers.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:49 PM

I always tip, just because I know the money isn’t just going to my waiter. There’s often a tipout and/or mandatory reporting 15%, meaning the waiter would have to pay taxes on 15% of my meal.

I never want to cost the waiter any money, but I’m perfectly fine with breaking even.

But anytime I get a good waiter, I make sure, he/she knows. They are rare, at least at the places I can afford.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Sorry, kinda long, but I really think there are a lot of people that don’t understand what her situation has been.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 4:13 PM

And you can repeat them until you are blue in the face, and some will still refuse to comprehend it and pretend that they would NEVER back down, or resign if they were in the same situation.

I think we can just keep on stating the facts of the matter, and some people will continue to hold their unreasonable and ignorant position no matter what evidence is presented to them. They WANT to remain ignorant.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 6:59 PM

You’re right; she was facing financial ruin and constant harassment. And it’s not like the RNC was going to do much to help.

ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Well, they couldn’t help her financially. As a public official, she was not allowed to receive more than $150.00 donation per person, no matter where the donation originated.

Another good reason to resign – financial ruin which would have set her back from any potential political future.

Of course, there are people here who think that’s not a good enough reason, and they would have stuck it out to the bitter end. Snort.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:02 PM

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:54 PM

Please! No more tipping points.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I’m going back to banging my head against the wall.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 5:09 PM

That’s why I ignore her. She makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

That’s why I ignore her. She makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Absolutely. There’s no point in listening to posters if they don’t backhandedly refer to the person they’re debating with as “stupid” or “traitor”.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM

Stupidity is when you are presented with some facts on a matter, and you continue to cling to your ignorance, which is what I see here. Again, and again.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

MadCon:

You’re only 27? What the hell was I talking to you for?

You don’t know jack s*** until you’re over 30.

Sorry.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Stupidity is when you are presented with some facts on a matter, and you continue to cling to your ignorance, which is what I see here. Again, and again.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Stop looking in the mirror.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM

The first question in any campaign debate for Palin from now on will be, “Will you quit in the middle of a presidential term if you get disenchanted or get ethics complaints filed against you?”

Jesus, Ed! Do you ever bother to think these things through before you post? Palin never gave any indication she was “disenchanted” with her job as Governor of Alaska. On your second point; if you were constantly having ethics charges filed against you during your campaign, such that it made it virtually impossible to effectively get your message out, made it difficult to campaign, and ate up much of your campaign funds to fend off the charges rather than further your campaign, what would you do? You’re still not getting Palin’s point. Why continue to serve as governor if the only thing you would be doing would be fighting ethics charges?

In addition, this whole “she didn’t finish out her term, so that’s going to reflect negatively on her experience is laughable. First, when she accepted the VP nomination we were all told her experience was lacking. “Mayor of Wasilla? How hard is that? Governor of Alaska? Not exactly the same as being Governor of California, New York, Georgia, Arkansas, Mass.” Now you are saying sticking it out would have put the lack of experience meme to rest? Can someone make up their minds?

In addition, Barry has now so lowered the bar on “Presidential qualifications” that a grade school class president would have the requisite experience to serve as POTUS.

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

OK, as an Independent I try to look objectively at the issues. This woman has been vilified and lied about by a lot of hate filled people that didn’t agree with her politically or because she is a conservative woman. Because of a loophole in Alaskan law she has had to come up with 1/2 $million in legal fees to successfully combat 15 frivolous lawsuits by Democrats that have wanted to destroy her. With that said, the senior Republicans seemed all too eager to jump on the bandwagon to trash one of their stars, which is something the Democrats would never do unless there was overwhelming evidence, like in Blago’s case. The Dems will circle the wagons around all of their “stars in trouble” and speak of them as if they are saints, and how could the world be so wrong, they just need a little “understanding.” The other thing is the elitist snobbery that is prevalent among those that are on the left, especially those in the news media. How dare a woman without a good pedigree even think of making it to center stage in this world; doesn’t she realize that we have reverted back to the Pre-Revolutionary class system? How dare her?

DL13 on July 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

You’re only 27? What the hell was I talking to you for?

I’m guessing your brick wall is tired of hearing your voice.

You don’t know jack s*** until you’re over 30.

Sorry.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Uh huh. I’m sure Jason Mattera is a dunce while Ted Kennedy is a genius.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Did either Bush or Obama quit while campaigning?”

Define quitting. They certainly mailed it in while campaigning. Nobody moreso than Barry. The case can be made the the SOLE reason Barry ran for Senator was to run for President, given that the total amount of time he actually worked as a Senator amounted to about 2 months.

Technically many of these candidates don’t “quit”. But they most assuredly let their primary duties as Governor, Senator, Representative, et. al., take a back seat to their campaigning. So, I see little difference between doing that and doing what Palin did. In fact, I see Palin’s actions as being more honorable for the citizens of Alaska.

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

You’ll see HornetSting making cracks about walkers. I’m feeling ancient about turning 27 later this year. Esthier is the same age but 40% of the height.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Heh. I have shoes that are older than some of you people!

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

You’re only 27? What the hell was I talking to you for?

You don’t know jack s*** until you’re over 30.

Sorry.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Magical ages that suddenly impart untold wisdom? Yeah, that’s pretty much as stupid as the hippies who used to say not to trust anyone over 30.

But what do I know, I’m just a computer programed to spit out points you disagree with and have internet affairs.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Heh. I have shoes that are older than some of you people!

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I’m impressed. Mine seem to start falling apart by the second year. But then, I shop at Walmart.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Their opinion reaches millions. Most of the ‘pundit’ class you named has 90% of readership within a mile of Interstate 495

battleoflepanto1571 on July 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

If the number is “millions”, then that also applies to Bathtub Boy, Mr. Tingly Leg, George Steponallofus, Maureen Dowd…etc.

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

ps: Here’s another fan of your approach:

You goopers even throw other goopers under the bus if they dare to critique Queen Sarah the Almighty. You are more cultish than Obama supporters, you just won’t admit it. Goopers eat their young, Democrats just sit back with their popcorn and take it all in. But please, convince Queen Sarah to run in 2012. The late nite comics will have a field day.

athensboy on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM

But you can feed this fan while you ignore those opposed to Obama who are not 100% and vocally committed to Governor Palin, because you know who the real “traitors” are.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

But again, did they quit nearly four years before the next presidential election? Palin could have served her term as governor, not run for re-election, and had two years to campaign for POTUS to her heart’s content.

Though, sadly, I have to admit that two years really isn’t even enough these days. Ugh.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

If Palin can’t deal with media attacks as gov, she certainly won’t be able to as POTUS.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Please find me the quote where she said she couldn’t deal with media attacks?

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM

But again, did they quit nearly four years before the next presidential election? Palin could have served her term as governor, not run for re-election, and had two years to campaign for POTUS to her heart’s content.

I already conceded that none of them quit. I have no idea how soon before they announced they stated getting their campaign engine built. What I can say with confidence is that Barry had no intention of representing the citizens of Illinois when he was elected Senator. And his record bears that out.

Nevertheless, I don’t think it matters if she quit or not. Like I said in another reply, the MSM discounted her experience as an ex-Mayor and current Governor on August 29th because, well, it’s just Alaska…how hard of a job is that? So, we are now supposed to believe serving out her term would suddenly make being the Governor of Alaska the equivalent of the Governor of California.

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 7:45 PM

What I can say with confidence is that Barry had no intention of representing the citizens of Illinois when he was elected Senator. And his record bears that out.

Agreed, but that had nothing to do with his future plans. That had to do with exceptional narcissism and conceit.

Nevertheless, I don’t think it matters if she quit or not. Like I said in another reply, the MSM discounted her experience as an ex-Mayor and current Governor on August 29th because, well, it’s just Alaska…how hard of a job is that? So, we are now supposed to believe serving out her term would suddenly make being the Governor of Alaska the equivalent of the Governor of California.

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 7:45 PM

What was the catchphrase last year? “Executive experience”. You’re claiming that less is better than more?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM

There is also the opportunity cost of staying in AK. She is now free to campaign for others in 2010.

We need all the help we can get, and we need it NOW.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Though, sadly, I have to admit that two years really isn’t even enough these days. Ugh.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM

I think you’re right on this. Barry had his campaign well in place before he “officially” announced in Jan. 2007.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM

Um no, I’ve just learned to keep my mouth shut when I know nothing of the subject…

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Thanks so much for that! It’s the funniest thing you’ve posted so far. I’m still having trouble typing, and my tummy hurts.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Sorry. Posted that in wrong thread. Should have been here.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM

What was the catchphrase last year? “Executive experience”. You’re claiming that less is better than more?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM

I’M not claiming anything. I’m simply pointing out the dichotomous argument that was and will likely be made.

Although personally, given the choice, I’ll take a Presidential candidate with even a week’s experience as Governor over any candidate that is a Senator, no matter how long that person has served. Being a Senator is the worst type of background to have as an executive.

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Being a Senator is the worst type of background to have as an executive.

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Agreed.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Agreed, but that had nothing to do with his future plans. That had to do with exceptional narcissism and conceit.

WHAT had nothing to do with his future plans? He appears to have had every intention of using his election to the Senate as a springboard to his run for the Presidency. No matter how “Black” he is/was, he would have never succeeded by running as a Illinois legislator, even with his speech at the DNC.

Fed45 on July 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM

Palin never set out to win any office, not the office of Mayor, not the chair of the energy commission, not the governership and not to become the VP pick.
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All these things happened because people wanted her.
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Her current cause is the corruption not in Alaska but in Washington and to promote her conservative beliefs. These are things she has been able to do very well in the past in Alaska and given her audience last year as VP pick show she can do that on the national stage as well.
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The question if her cause for 2012 is hurt or improved by this move is irrelevant to her at this moment and for good reason: The ship USS USA is sinking and people are quibbling who can be the next captain in 4 years. Well, the way Obama and Pelosi are wrecking things, it makes sense to first focus on this problem. Let the 2012 question for 2011. Clearly this is something she understood very well and the media with their narrow mindset missed the whole point.
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George washington wanted to win the war. He only became president after all insisted. Palin might be a good anti-dote for the egomanic statist Obama

mooseburger on July 6, 2009 at 9:43 PM

All of these have elements of the truth.

You know, Ed, if you “punditocracy gerrymandering“, milk-of-magnesium koolaide drinking pundits, would actually read and study up on Sarah Palin, especially on how she took on Big Oil (www.sarahtakesonbigoil.com) and read her chronicles as journaled by the media, who have known her all her life (The Sarah Palin Chronicles), you bloviating and foaming-at-the-mouth pundits, would actually have an authority to opine about Sarah Palin.

I’m just sayin’……….

Mcguyver on July 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Oh my gosh this is just unbelievable. Right accuses left of being obsessed with Sarah Palin then proceeds to take obsession to a whole new level- yes I understand the differences because the left is so ugly but dang, why not just give it a rest & see what she does?

She is just human being, not the Messiah- nor does she pretend to be, like some politicians we are familiar with. lol

kg598301 on July 6, 2009 at 9:58 PM

I hate this site but I’m too stupid not to come here.

Mcguyver on July 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Edited for brevity.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM

I hate this site but I’m too stupid not to come here.
Mcguyver on July 6, 2009 at 9:52 PM

Edited for brevity.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Liberals can’t read complex ideas, so thanks.

Mcguyver on July 6, 2009 at 10:10 PM

But what do I know, I’m just a computer programed to spit out points you disagree with and have internet affairs.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

All that and a bag of chips to. He is just jealous of your quick wit and sexy typing. HAHAHAHA!

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 10:25 PM

If, however, Palin wants to pursue national office rather than just be an activist for the rest of her life, her resignation will prove a very messy hurdle. Alaskans trusted her with their higher office on the assumption that she would take it seriously enough to complete the term. Voters would have understood if she had to resign in January to become Vice President, but because — in her own words — she didn’t want to deal with governing as a “lame duck.” The first question in any campaign debate for Palin from now on will be, “Will you quit in the middle of a presidential term if you get disenchanted or get ethics complaints filed against you?”

I have no problem admitting that finishing out the governor’s term was the best move for her political ambitions, if in fact she’s running for president.

But this is hardly a career-ending move. First, resigning the governor’s office is not the same as quitting. It’s quite clear that Palin isn’t quitting politics. As long as she’s perceived to be still campaigning for her issues, the resignation will be little more than a footnote.

Krauthammer says she could be valid in 2016 or beyond, Jonah Goldberg thinks she’s aiming for 2012. I think her focus is on 2010, and on the campaigns of others.

If she campaigns for half a dozen Congressional candidates, and at least some of them win elections, then she WILL be a serious candidate.

She may well be the nominee on 2012. If not, she could be in 2016.

We need her, regardless. She’s one of the few who’s actually willing to fight. Even more rare, she’s nearly the only one who will get lots of media attention when she does.

You may question whether this was a good move. But for now, just be glad she’s in the arena.

didymus on July 7, 2009 at 12:26 AM

The “why’d you quit?” question will come up, but doesn’t have to be the nail in her coffin.

What I don’t understand is why is she being so aloof about her reasons for resigning? I would think a governor should provide an explanation to the people of Alaska who voted for her. She owes them that much.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

“Don’t explain. Your friends don’t need it, and your enemies won’t believe it, anyway”

Hmmm. Apparently that saying neglects another group of people: those who ignore the explanation, then ask why they never got an explanation.

didymus on July 7, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Let me see if i get this straight. George W. Bush ran for governor in 1998. In January of 2001, he was president. Barack Obama ran for Senator in 2004. In 2009, he was president. Neither of them could be trusted to finish “their term”, but it is Sarah Palin that is the quitter. In fact, this whole thing is totally hypocritical. Palin is viewed as a quitter for handing off the reigns to someone that would have power, while the last two presidents never even bothered to finish their term because of personal ambition.

If Palin is viewed as a “quitter” then so is every politician that quits early for any reason. I can’t see how it’s suddenly all right not to finish your term because you are seeking a higher office, but it is NOT all right not to finish your term to do other things.

mike volpe on July 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM

BECAUSE IT’S SARAH PALIN!!!

Apparently.

didymus on July 7, 2009 at 1:36 AM

What I don’t understand is why is she being so aloof about her reasons for resigning? I would think a governor should provide an explanation to the people of Alaska who voted for her. She owes them that much.

JetBoy on July 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM

She did, you pinhead. They are pretty happy about it and stop trolling in the name of people of Alaska. You’re not one of them, so your complaint shoots itself.

promachus on July 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM

The way she keeps bringing God into her interviews, I’m thinking she wants to milk the lecture circuit. She’s just killed any chance at higher office, at least till her children are grown. If she takes a private sector job in energy and stumps for a successful 2012 candidate who can take the mantle of change from Obama and gets a cabinet position, she might be taken more seriously down the road. In the meantime, as Ferraro pointed out, she is no longer invited to the table for policy discussions, and she looks like a quitter.

alliebobbitt on July 7, 2009 at 10:25 AM

If Sarah Palin can put herself at the top as spokesman for the Tea Party movement …

I don’t care what you think of her. She could be the stupidist person in the world and she’d still be a king-maker with that kind of grassroots support. I have attended Tea Parties – maybe you have too? Did you find anyone that said Sarah Palin was a part of the problem? Me neither. Did you find a lot of people there that liked her? Yeah … me too.

Times up for the GOP Ayatollah’s. They have sniped at her from the wings anonymously for far too long. They have privately cheered for the lefty loons to kill this woman.

But now … things MIGHT change here. We may find Sarah Palin and an army of grassroots voters taking aim at the Ayatollahs.

And it was completely avoidable. Power comes from the people – and the GOP Ayatollah’s are supposed to be smart enough to know this. But they’re elitist – and think the people can be manipulated – because the people are stupid – right?

Ask Ed and Allah about that. We may be really stupid out here in commonerville – but we can make a lot of noise when we’re pissed off. When we’re pissed off – you can’t stop us.

HondaV65 on July 7, 2009 at 5:04 PM

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