Between 2001 and 2009, over 15,344 deadly terror attacks by Muslims.

How many by Christians?

You need to learn to dissemble better, or just stop it. You may be able to convince Oprah watchers who haven’t read a book in years, but people here have done their homework.

We already have Muslims marching in the US calling for the slaughter of Jews and throwing stones at gays, among other things. And they aren’t feeling as confident as Muslims in Sweden who have driven emergency services out of Malmo, and Muslims in France who burn thousands of cars every year in riots that have become so common they’re barely reported.

Do people like Adam Ghadan convert to Islam and run off to join terror squads because the text says “peace, love, and happiness?”

If you’re sincere that you’ve rejected the bloody padt of your faith, as have Christians in such a large majority is stunning, then more power to you.

Magic Eight Ball says “signs are hazy, try again later and hide any charp objects nearby.”

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites…etc.

flashoverride on July 7, 2009 at 1:27 AM

God gave permission for specific people to be killed, who were much deserving of death, so Israel could be formed. He didn’t give a blanket statement that all unbelievers were to be put to the sword, for all time. Guess which book does, though?

China has waged war against the U.S. for centuries, right?

This was not my point, but if you want to get technical, U.S. troops have fought the Chinese in the Boxer Rebellion and the Korean War. Furthermore the Chinese supported the North Vietnamese with arms which we used to kill American soldiers during the Vietnam War. While not mortal enemies, they certainly are not our friends (just our loan sharks).

Regardless, this is not my point at all. Whether you examine China’s incredible emergence economically, politically or militarily, it is a threat to the US. This threat will become more clear in the coming years as China continues to grow and starts asking for its money back. The Chinese purposely antagonize the US Navy in the Pacific, and actively seek hurt our interests in Asia by allowing North Korea to misbehave. Furthermore, the Chinese will continue to scour the globe and “recolonize” Africa in the search for natural resources. Trust me friend, the wars of the future will not exclusively be over ideology but rather natural resources which the Chinese are acquiring at an alarming rate. Lastly, the Chinese (as do we) do have plans for a war against the US. They have for years, as have we. In fact, I have participated in a few of these wargames sessions myself at National Defense University. Things are not so bright and rosy in the Taiwan Straits. If Taiwan elects another Chen Shui Bian, expect tensions to rise. All it takes is for a few itchy trigger fingers and you have a war.

I’m not saying radical Islam is not a threat. It obviously is. However after examining how these radical parties have managed in elections across the Muslim world (just one indicator), the ebb and flow of Islamic politics suggests that more moderate powers will take their place. Regardless, these people are still a threat that need to be dealt with. However, China poses a much greater threat in the future as its 1.3 billion people and counting search for more resources and power to fuel their growth.

Shock the Monkey on July 7, 2009 at 8:02 AM

All I can do is laugh at you. Because, obviously, China has waged war against the U.S. for centuries, right? Because China is responsible for SO many violent attacks on the U.S., right? Because China spends every day of every year planning and mapping out plans to destroy us, right? Because China is single handedly responsible for a causing a huge market meltown such as after 9/11, right? Because, China has sent secret cells into the U.S. to murder us, right?

Okay, sarcasm off.

Get a grip. You’re nothing but a fool walking around blindfolded.

Never once did I claim that Islam was a religion of peace (if you want to base your argument on a false premise, by all means do so). In fact I do not believe that any such religion can claim that title since terrible things have been done in the name of religion for centuries. There is no use arguing with crazy people. That being said, you are clearly a paranoid individual. The term lunatic fringe comes to mind. Regardless, the point of the initial post on this thread was to state that China will be a bigger threat to U.S. National Security than revivalist Islam (a term you probably know nothing about since you seem to have grouped every Muslim into one category). If you truly believe that al-Qaeda or any transnational terrorist organization (I know you were referring to every Muslim, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt) has the potential and capabilities that surpass China in its ability to cause destruction to the U.S. and its allies, not only are you crazy but you are also a “hack” and either “stupid or really stupid.” Get help man.

Deuteronomy 17
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites … And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones … And they burnt all their cities….
And Moses was wroth with the officers … And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? … Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40

That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. Psalm 68:23

Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

Go ahead and quote the few lines of the Quran that you’ve picked up on other forums that speak of killing infidels.

Picked up from forums? Again, you’re either playing stupid, or you really are stupid. There aren’t just a few lines, and they’re not picked up from “forums.” They’re written word for word IN THE QUR’AN. You choose to simply IGNORE them because they don’t fit the whole “peaceful religion fantasy.”

For you to suggest that these quotes are simply “picked up from forums” is about as dishonest as it gets.

Have you ever been inside of a mosque before?

No, and I’m really not sure what difference it would make. I could stand inside a mosque for five years without stepping outside and it wouldn’t change one word that’s written in the Qur’an.

Now, if someone doesn’t believe what the Qur’an says, why the Hell do they call themselves Muslim?

Have you ever read more than a few lines of the Quran?

I’ve actually read the entire Qur’an. Twice. And I have a copy in my desk which I continually reference to correct those such as you who are either lying, or simply like to speak about what they do not know. There’s nothing like seeing a person’s face after they have argued that the Qur’an is misquoted or taken out of context, when you pull out a copy and show them word for word.

Have you ever spoke with actual Muslims, and lived to tell the tale?

Many times, while in the military and at home where I had a Muslim tenant who had been shot in the leg while attempting to get his family out of Afghanistan in 1987. I spent many nights sitting outside with his wife and two kids and eating BBQ. Did I trust him? Definitely. I thought they were a great family and had no problem with my son hanging out with his kids. I didn’t even realize at the time, a week before 9/11, when his entire family packed up and left the country. I didn’t think anything of it until I was cleaning the garage to ready it for the next tenant, the week after 9/11, when I found a manila envelope stashed behind the water heater filled with falsified documents and information related to several Muslim ex cons and felons. Parole papers, false IDs, falsified welfare paperwork, and other garbage.

I called the phone number they had put out at the time for tips, they took the information, and I never heard back from them.

Beautiful. The entire family simply vanishes a week before 9/11. Coincidence?

It’s my fault though. I should have realized they weren’t the most honest people the day the guy drove up to the house and argued with him about them ripping his mother off in a used car sale. And maybe a few months later when some guy almost came to blows with him claiming he had stolen a case of cash out of his car.

Muslims are raised from birth to lie about their religion. Of course, you know this already, because you’ve studied the Qur’an and you’ve read it. Right?

I’m also Catholic, so I’m not an “Islamic hack” trying to give Islam a good name.

No, you’re a tool, allowing yourself to be used by Islamic hacks who run around telling people, who are too lazy to read for themselves, how peaceful the ‘cult’ is.

Most people fear what they don’t understand, and you certainly lack a basic understanding of Islam.

Right. Because they just put all those violent orders to wage war, murder, and dominate … for the fun of it. You know? As sort of a gag. Just to keep people off balance.

Hey Mohammed my brother! Haha! This will be really funny! Let’s tell all the Muslims to go out and kill all the non-believers and see if they’ll fall for the gag! HAHAHA! It will be funny!

Wow, I’ve never seen someone drop from a thread faster than Flash did after you started dropping those Qu’ran quotes on him! LOL!

BlameAmericaLast on July 6, 2009 at 11:32 PM

Haha, I think he realized the gig was up since his ‘religion of peace’ has been exposed for the hateful war mongering death cult that it actually is and its tough to defend the indefensible. :)

You’re either lying about studying the religion, or you’re an Islamic hack attempting to cover it up. It’s impossible to study Islam and it’s history and claim it teaches peace in the same breath. Not while being honest.

Gregor on July 6, 2009 at 5:32 PM

Ha ha ha. I’m certainly not lying. If you don’t believe me write Ambassador Haqqani (Pakistan) in Washington D.C. to ask what class he taught. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Islam 501: The Blood Thirsty Religion Determined to Rule the Earth. I’m also Catholic, so I’m not an “Islamic hack” trying to give Islam a good name.

I understand that many people are apprehensive about Muslims. Most people fear what they don’t understand, and you certainly lack a basic understanding of Islam. Go ahead and quote the few lines of the Quran that you’ve picked up on other forums that speak of killing infidels. Have you ever been inside of a mosque before? Have you ever read more than a few lines of the Quran? What about the Hadith? Have you ever spoke with actual Muslims, and lived to tell the tale? I’m assuming the answer is no.

Interestingly enough, there’s a million Jews who can say the exact same thing you just said. Well, everything other than the “blowing it way out of proportion” part.

Gregor on July 6, 2009 at 5:29 PM

By the way, one of my Krav Maga instructors is a former counter terrorism expert from Israel. He fought in Israeli-Lebanon War in 2006. When I told him what you said earlier he simply laughed and said “what an idiot.” Whatever though, that’s one person’s opinion.

Well done China! Give Muslims reasons to wail. That calms them down.

Lebanon Muslim forever? Not so long ago it was 60% Christian until you brothers decided to hound them out of the country. Now they are a disappearing minority.

Do you work for CAIR Flash?

flashoverride obviously missed all these quotes while “studying Islam”, hahaha! Unbelievable.

Gregor on July 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM

lol, I think he just missed telling us. ;) Nearly all muslims are well trained to lie about the true nature and intention of their death cult until its too late for us non-muslims to stop them. So for all their ranting or spreading the sweet lies that the cowards among us want to hear, their views really should be ignored.

Fact is, there really is no reasoning with brainwashed dime-a-dozen muslims like flashoverride. I argue with people like him for the benefit of my fellow citizens so they can see what muslims are really up to.

We’re dealing with a global ideological movement (like Nazism) and death cult. It will take a concerted effort by a majority of us in West to defeat this threat not just to our civilization but the world.

Perhaps the catalyst to ignite WW3 between the West and Islam will be Israel bombing Iran’s nuke sites. I thought 9/11 was sufficient but people still didn’t really catch on.

Fortunately however, the resistance to Islam is starting to grow and build, particularly in Europe. More people are waking up and ’smelling the jihad’. There is no compromising with muslims, its winner take all in this game.

Muslims have slaughtered over 270 million people including 60 million Christians over 1400 years and enslaved 1.5 billion in the dark ages. Islam is a civilization-destroying killing machine that needs to be stopped or humanity is doomed.

I’m a US Citizen, born and raised. I’m also a muslim. Should I be deported? What about my wife? Or my two US citizen children? Or any future children we have here in the US?

As long as you and your family are members of the terrorist death cult of Islam who’s stated goal is the destruction of western democracy/civilization and conquest by Islam, of course you should be deported.

How will any law you try to pass jibe with any of the basic tenets of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution?

Your religion would abolish the DoI and the Constitution to be replaced by Islamic rule and Sharia Law. If our laws were followed, Islam would already be outlawed and its members charged with sedition.

So… if *any* Christian states that the basic tenet of Christianity is to kill infidels, and gathers enough people around him and pulls off some spectactular mass casualty attacks, we can then declare that the written goal of Christianity is the murder of infidels, regardless?

flashoverride on July 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM

That used to be the case with Christianity 300 years ago but then we had the Reformation and Enlightenment with the separation of church/state. So Christianity ceased being a death cult around that time. Islam has remained unchanged since it was invented in the 7th century.

Nonetheless Christianity has no such tenets, whereas Islam does and pointing out the evils in one cult doesn’t excuse the evils in your own.

Its ridiculous to compare the two religions since Christians are not suicide-bombing, smashing planes into buildings or rioting over cartoons. I say this as an atheist, so you could say I’m an objective observer.

Personally I’d like to see all religions recognized for the mythologies they are which lead to unnecessary human suffering and conflict. But there is no denying among all religions that Islam is a fascist, expansive, imperialist, arab supremacist ideology bent on global domination, much as Nazism once was and needs to be eliminated. Islam and the West are incompatible, one will necessarily defeat the other.

Its right out of their “holy book” of terror, the Quran.

thinkagain on July 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM

flashoverride obviously missed all these quotes while “studying Islam”, hahaha!

Unbelievable.

I’m a US Citizen, born and raised. I wore the uniform of this nation for 5 years, and shipped out for OIF I.

flashoverride on July 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM

So did the cockroach who threw the grenade into the tent filled with his fellow soldiers. He did it because he was a practicing Muslim.

I’m also a muslim. Should I be deported? What about my wife? Or my two US citizen children? Or any future children we have here in the US?

Islam should be made illegal in the U.S. and if you feel you believe in the Qur’an that strongly, which dictates that you wage war against all non-believers, then see ya later. Your choice.

How will any law you try to pass jibe with any of the basic tenets of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution?

Islam is not, regardless of what anyone claims, a religion. It is a cult. It’s basically a brutal gang, much like the Crips or Bloods. Using your defense, the Crips and Bloods could simply claim to be a religion and suddenly gangbanging would be perfectly legal.

So… if *any* Christian states that the basic tenet of Christianity is to kill infidels, and gathers enough people around him and pulls off some spectactular mass casualty attacks, we can then declare that the written goal of Christianity is the murder of infidels, regardless?

Now you’re just being stupid, again. There is nothing in the Christian Bible that instructs followers to murder. Nothing. Zero. Nada. The actions of a few followers do not change the religion itself. Similarly, people who claim to be Muslim and do not kill, do not change the fact that the Qur’an instructs its followers to kill Christians and Jews.

We’re talking about a book that instructs people to kill Christians and Jews, and to wage war against the world. And you think this should be allowed to be passed onto children? You’re okay with that? It scares me to believe people freely hand this book to their children.

What do you think would happen if you wrote a book that instructed people to go out and kill a specific group of people, you passed the book out all over the city, and people started acting on it? What do you think would happen to you? You would end up in jail on all types of charges. You think?

So why is the Qur’an and its pedophile author any different?

Finally, I’m curious to know why, if you’re truly a Muslim, you continue to spell “Muslim” using small caps. I think you’re full of shit.

So your argument is basically… “I don’t agree with you, ergo you are worse than Hitler… However, that gas chamber thing was a swell idea as long as we use it on the *right* people”.

flashoverride on July 6, 2009 at 6:31 PM

Actually that’s the muslim position-to those who refuse to convert to Islam, they get in return terrorism, violence and death. Its right out of their “holy book” of terror, the Quran.

Sura 8:12 – I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Qur’an 8:39 – So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.

Don’t put words in my mouth I clearly said muslims should be deported (to muslim countries) because we know its their goal to conquer the West and the world.

However this war was started by muslims and in war the goal is to defeat you enemies by any means in order to win/survive. Deportation isn’t the only solution but presently the most peaceful method to protecting our civilization from destruction by a foreign ideology/enemy.

. Instead, the cult of Islam and the practicing of Islam should be banned in the U.S. We shouldn’t allow anyone who claims to be Muslim to enter the U.S., and the reason for this is obvious.

And what is your statutory authority? I’m a US Citizen, born and raised. I wore the uniform of this nation for 5 years, and shipped out for OIF I. I’m also a muslim. Should I be deported? What about my wife? Or my two US citizen children? Or any future children we have here in the US?

How will any law you try to pass jibe with any of the basic tenets of the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution?

If they choose to belong to that cult, we are stupid to take their word for it that they don’t believe and support the written goal of that cult.

So… if *any* Christian states that the basic tenet of Christianity is to kill infidels, and gathers enough people around him and pulls off some spectactular mass casualty attacks, we can then declare that the written goal of Christianity is the murder of infidels, regardless?

is that it’s okay for the rest of them world to be exposed to them, as long as the USA isn’t.

flashoverride on July 6, 2009 at 7:02 PM

No my point was to relocate all muslims in the West to any Islamic state of their choosing, we don’t want them trying to take over our country with their filthy retarded barbaric dark ages cult of hatred, war, terror and misogyny. Muslims who leave Islam can stay.

Personally I’d go a step further. Islam should be banned in every country-this can be done without harming a single muslim (though in reality it won’t be so easy).

The world needs to recognize that Islam is inhumane, violent and illegitimate ideology invented by a mass murdering pedophile terrorist. It divides the world into muslim and non-muslim and leads to warfare between the two groups, its also oppressive for those who live under its rule.

We’ve abolished Nazism and extremists cults, we should do the same with Islam. The goal of all muslims is global conquest and the jihad they’re waging against us is unending, until Islam wins or it is eliminated by us.

The reality is, whether people choose to accept it or not, we’re in WW3 against Islam, its a war between Civilization and Barbarism, started by muslims against all of humanity. Their goal is our submission, conversion or death.

They state this very openly and anyone that tries to lie about it or hide this fact is fooling no one-except the fools on the left. Our leaders, esp. Congress needs to have a very open, public and honest debate about Islam…that’s one of the best ways to address this problem.

However, the idea that because certain people are different leading initially to displacement, then finding spots for them to go to, and then disposing of them is not exactly unheralded in our times.

flashoverride on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM

And I don’t believe I’ve ever suggested anything similar for Muslims. Instead, the cult of Islam and the practicing of Islam should be banned in the U.S. We shouldn’t allow anyone who claims to be Muslim to enter the U.S., and the reason for this is obvious. They belong to a cult which seeks the destruction of our way of life and are ordered by their guidebook (the Qur’an) to stop at nothing to reach that goal. The cult they belong to orders them to wage war against us. If they choose to belong to that cult, we are stupid to take their word for it that they don’t believe and support the written goal of that cult.

Again, it’s not the “people.” It’s the cult. The people have a choice to either belong to that cult, or not. If they choose to belong to it, they can choose to leave or stay out.