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I had a response typed out, but then realised that trying to debate with completely naive, irrational people is pointless.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 6:48 PM

So you are a “quitter”??

Funny how all the anti-Palin posters always end up with name-calling and personal attacks.

Wow. No wonder you come off as so incoherent. You have no idea what this is all about. You are absolutely clueless.

peacenprosperity on July 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM

Usually his posts are coherent, but this one confuses me…it is like a “truther” post.
Everyone goes off the rail once in awhile, maybe he will edit and explain…give him a chance, that is just weird.

3. Palin exists to grant my political wishes.

I guess he doesn’t understand “limited government”…

Perhaps she left for the reason that she’s a wife/mother and no candidate/politician in American history, or more importantly, her children, have had to endure more attacks not only for frequency,but for pure hatred and loathing.

The last straw was the Letterman jokes on a 14 year old yet this man is still allowed to have a job by us. We showed indifference by allowing that man to stay on the air.

Jeff from WI on July 7, 2009 at 6:00 AM

Jeff, the attacks will not end just because she’s no longer in office – in fact, the Sarah Bimbo hate meme will be pitched even more hysterically by the media when she takes the stage to rouse the grassroots.

The ethics charges will stop, though….I heard that she supported the new ethics rules in Alaska. If so, she’s learned about the law of unintended consequences. Petards etc.

1. I want Palin to run in 2012.
2. Palin can do no wrong.
3. Palin exists to grant my political wishes.
4. Therefore, Palin’s resignation was the right thing to do and does not hurt her chances in 2012
Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM

Wow. No wonder you come off as so incoherent. You have no idea what this is all about. You are absolutely clueless.

However it’ll be as a private citizen rather than elected official. How that turns out remains to be seen.

Ding ding ding ding! There you go, hollowpoint loves him some elected officials because they be so powerful and important and smart and soooo much better then us plain ol citizens!

Being in a final term of a given office generally allows the officeholder to run things as they see fit without being constrained by having to worry about the electoral impact the next election

No. If that were even close to the truth the term “lame duck” would not have been invented. Most politicians in their final term are powerless, they get nothing done. They have nothing to offer because they will be out of power soon. Everyone is jockeying for what is next and lame duck politicians are irrelevent. If you are going to attack Palin for not wanting to be a lame duck politician at least try to understand the meaning of the phrase.

“I want to work, right now, for people who are going to work either in office or out of office for the right things. Those principles that build up America, those who are inspired by the values of America, and will not deride or apologize for the values we hold as Americans.” “

The last straw was the Letterman jokes on a 14 year old yet this man is still allowed to have a job by us. We showed indifference by allowing that man to stay on the air.

The fact Meg said SarahPAQ was doing so well since the announcement shows her strength.

Firebird on July 6, 2009 at 6:39 PM

I signed up for a monthly donation this morning. As did my brother & wife, & a coworker.

Sarah Palin speaks for me.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM

I haven’t done the monthly donation yet because it improves my mood tremendously to donate money to Sarah whenever I see some news that depresses me about our dear country. I’ve been donating a lot lately.

I even got a wonderful hand written note from Sarah on June 30. Couldn’t smell any perfume on it though. darn the luck.

We got your six, Sarah. See you on Aug 8 at Reagan Library!

John and I had a conversation this afternoon, and he agrees that Palin couldn’t have done this with an eye towards a 2012 presidential run. Like Mark Tapscott, he sees Palin adapting herself for the foreseeable future to non-electoral politics — as an activist and a movement leader.

2012 is not the foreseeable future. She is positioning herself on the battlespace for targets of opportunity whenever they may arise.

Ask somebody to explain it to you. :D

If there’s an intelligent, well thought out comment in the thousands made about his subject effectively argues how a 2012 run would be feasible, I apparently missed it.

I’ve asked numerous times (without snark or trolling) how she’d possibly deal with question of why voters would trust her with the Presidency when she resigned under the pressure of being Alaskan governor- a perception that her resignation speech fed into.

I’ve yet to get a realistic answer. But I have read a whole lot of comments labelling anyone who doubts her ability to launch a successful run in 2012 as a traitorous RINO elitist pessimist.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

It’s not really that hard, and I see some others have answered it.

But I’ll take a stab at being concise.

She didn’t quit. She announced she would resign the governorship because she could not do the job effectively while being a target because of her involvement in national politics.

Let’s face it, most governors in her position would have hung onto their jobs whether they were able to do them well or not. Because that move, while selfish, would have been the best for their political careers.

As for how it affects her running in 2012, that depends on whether she’s perceived as a quitter, or as someone who instead of giving up, went on the attack.

And who will decide that? The voters, not the pundits.

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I had a response typed out, but then realised that trying to debate with completely naive, irrational people is pointless.

Just think about it rationally and objectively. It should be obvious that she’s not likely to run in 2012, and wouldn’t win if she did.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Completely naive, irrational people? I’m feeling left out.

You can add me to your list. But I’m betting in the 3 years before the next election, Palin could easily be the frontrunner.

I don’t think her focus is on 2012, though. I think it’s on the 2010 election for Congress, ergo the rush to start campaigning. And I think she’s more interested in helping seeing a Republican sweep of Congress than getting a Senate seat.

Unlike pundits, though, I’m willing to wait and see.

That it might’ve been the best thing for Alaska since the discovery of oil isn’t very relevant.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 11:48 PM

Oil is everything in Alaska. Soon, gas will be too — thanks to Palin. You’re free to cling to your beliefs while we see what actually happens.

What? She wasn’t claiming the pressure was too great. Alaska was getting a raw deal. She wasn’t going to run again, and the Lt. Governor has no aspirations beyond Alaska and no national posture so he wouldn’t draw the flies like she would have.
littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 11:33 PM

That she couldn’t govern effectively despite “drawing flies” would be portrayed as folding under pressure, and voters wouldn’t forgive that. And when she brought up attacks on her family and the distraction of ethics suits- yeah, that’s pressure.

A presidential candidate is expected to be ambitious- to want the position bad enough to put up with anything thrown their way, and survive any form of attack while still being able to perform.

That it might’ve been the best thing for Alaska since the discovery of oil isn’t very relevant.

Again- no matter what her reasons, she can’t claim that she quit because the political pressure was too great for her to be an effective governor, yet would be perfectly effective as a president in the face of political pressure. Voters wouldn’t buy it for a second. No doubt she considered that, but isn’t currently concerned about electoral politics near term.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 10:59 PM

What? She wasn’t claiming the pressure was too great. Alaska was getting a raw deal. She wasn’t going to run again, and the Lt. Governor has no aspirations beyond Alaska and no national posture so he wouldn’t draw the flies like she would have. She sets him up so he’s committed to the agenda and gets to claim her accomplishments. Alaska wins. The GOP in Alaska wins. She wins. All the scumbags LOSE! Even simple minded voters can understand and appreciate these things.

And he did not mention Palin’s visit to the Reagan Library on August 8th which he may have not known of or waiting for confirmation from the Palin camp.

Ziegler conveniently avoided SarahPAC.

Huntsman left his governorship to become an ambassador. That’s not an elected position and not a move up. Do you think anyone will hold that move against him (aside from the circumstance that he left to work for the Washington junta)?

There are many other examples such as this. Palin left to be more effective at a time when our nation is on the precipice. Why would you hold that against her or think that anyone else would?

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Speaking of Huntsman… my husband ran a marathon in Provo a few weeks ago and we went to the This Is The Place Monument and museum thingy in Salt Lake. They told us we should have been there the day before… Huntsman bought free admission and a free ice cream as a good bye present for his constituents.

Of course we are from AZ but hey I’d have taken free Ice Cream from the US ambassador to China…

Perfect good sense, were you to think about it. The fact that she wasn’t running for another term would limit what she could accomplish, the carrots at her disposal and the sticks she could use. The press being used against her would intensify and the opposition would try to run out the clock….
Now, to me this was immediately obvious and self-evident. Yes, perfectly reasonable to me.

littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Huh?

At what point in an elected official’s last term do they suddenly become ineffective and unable to perform their duties effectively? One year? Two? Three? You can only be useful if you’re going to seek re-election?

Being in a final term of a given office generally allows the officeholder to run things as they see fit without being constrained by having to worry about the electoral impact the next election- they don’t have to govern to get re-elected.

Again- no matter what her reasons, she can’t claim that she quit because the political pressure was too great for her to be an effective governor, yet would be perfectly effective as a president in the face of political pressure. Voters wouldn’t buy it for a second. No doubt she considered that, but isn’t currently concerned about electoral politics near term.

Really? The “lame duck” excuse sounded perfectly reasonable to you? That she decided not to run for another term somehow renders the rest of her term worthless as a reason unto itself? How does that make sense?

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Perfect good sense, were you to think about it. The fact that she wasn’t running for another term would limit what she could accomplish, the carrots at her disposal and the sticks she could use. The press being used against her would intensify and the opposition would try to run out the clock. Also, knowing the end was very near and suspecting an attempt at the Presidency, all the outside money and resources that was flowing into Alaska would become a flood.

Her enemies would be looking for a knock-out punch and, as a “lame duck” both friend and foe would be lining up to run, making it less likely that she could garner support with the climate becoming ever more politicized. Meanwhile the national machine bearing down on her in advance of the expected Presidential run would wind up to help knock her out, too. In short, all of her enemies would begin firing together, aiming to find something to kill her off before she left office to disgrace her, bankrupt her, provoke her, destroy her in their own time.

What she did by suddenly resigning was to remake the political landscape overnight, run out the clock herself, and leave a sitting governor in her place committed to her agenda, sharing her accomplishments, and owing her big time.

Now, to me this was immediately obvious and self-evident. Yes, perfectly reasonable to me.

Well, people sometimes have more than ONE reason to do anything…why should Sarah be any different.

Now, as far as her presidential run, we don’t even know if she will run. Why, after so much attacks being lodged at her, would she want to step forth and put her hat in the ring?

But, Hollowpoint, you don’t even know the ‘real’ reason that she decided to resign, so why keep badgering everyone’s answer……
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Just trying to inject a little reality and objectivity.

The slavish devotion of those who believe Palin can do no wrong isn’t healthy, and the responses by some of them are downright embarrassing.

I understand that she’s had to put up with a lot of crap from the MSM and the left (but I repeat myself), and that a lot of people had high hopes for her. I have no problem with bitching about the treatment she’s gotten.

What I do have a problem with are those who act as if any suggestion that her resignation hurts her politically is a personal attack on Palin and all those that support her. It isn’t.

Making the fairly obvious observation that her resignation (and the reasons she cited for it) are not consistant with a 2012 presidential run isn’t an attack and doesn’t make one an elitist, RINO, or Palin-hater.

Those that disagree seem to have the following thought process:

1. I want Palin to run in 2012.
2. Palin can do no wrong.
3. Palin exists to grant my political wishes.
4. Therefore, Palin’s resignation was the right thing to do and does not hurt her chances in 2012.

I’ve little use for such idealistic wishful thinking. Neither should anyone else.

Palin didn’t resign to become an ambassador, fill a cabinet position, etc.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM

No she resigned to take up a position AGAINST the current administration instead of WITH it.

thomasaur on July 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Obama would sacrifice his firstborn to make her as irrelevant as he’s made Hillary Clinton. If she took a role in the Obama administration, then her career would be over.