Audio: Ziegler explains Palin’s decision; Update: Link to O’Reilly Factor appearance added

posted at 5:55 pm on July 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

John Ziegler, who produced a documentary on the horrendously unfair media coverage given to now-departing Governor Sarah Palin, talks with Palin spokeswoman Meg Stapleton about Palin’s decision to resign.  John has the closest vantage point of anyone in the media, and has spent the most time with Palin.  He explains that the move isn’t about 2012 at all, or really even any future run at elective office.  John argues that Palin is playing long ball.  Click on the image to listen:

John and I had a conversation this afternoon, and he agrees that Palin couldn’t have done this with an eye towards a 2012 presidential run.  Like Mark Tapscott, he sees Palin adapting herself for the foreseeable future to non-electoral politics — as an activist and a movement leader.

John also will appear on The O’Reilly Factor tonight at 8 pm ET.  Be sure to catch John’s segment.

Update: RealClearPolitics has John’s appearance on the Factor.  John dropped me a note, saying this segment from his show today explains it better, so be sure to listen to it.

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Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 6:32 PM
AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Firebird on July 6, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Norwegian on July 6, 2009 at 6:36 PM

I had a response typed out, but then realised that trying to debate with completely naive, irrational people is pointless.

Just think about it rationally and objectively. It should be obvious that she’s not likely to run in 2012, and wouldn’t win if she did.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Well, that is about the most laughable post I have seen today.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

First post since HA exploded after Friday’s announcement.

*POP! opens can of worms*

Can I admit that my dismay over Palin resigning is entirely selfish? Look, I’ve always hoped that she’d run in 2016…. I just doubt that she’d have a shot in 2012, for a variety of reasons. Not that she might not have proved me wrong, I just didn’t see the stars aligning that way. That said, if she DID run in 2012 (as she may yet, though her chances of winning have hardly improved), I’d still support her over the rest of the Republican field (as we know it). Reason being that I actually think she IS the big-tent candidate…. by which I mean she has something for everyone to like.

Take the two names most bandied about for the 2012 race: Romney and Huckabee. Of the two, I prefer Romney, though I certainly think Huck could do a decent job. The problem is that I can’t get excited about either of them, so I’d probably being voting AGAINST Obama more than voting FOR the Repub candidate. If you’re like me, you’re thoroughly exhausted with voting simply to stop the bleeding, rather than voting for REAL, substantial Conservative change. If Romney gets the nom, I’ll be nervous about his waffle-y Rino-ishness. If Huck gets it, I’ll again feel like Evangelical Baptist Christianity is the face of the party while Methodists like me and Catholics like my husband are cast off into that strange no-man’s-land between the Evangelicals and the Libertarian Atheists. I like them both, but it’s weird to be caught in the middle of their antagonism. The reason that I would vote for Sarah, even if she had no chance to win, is because I think she exists in this middle-ground, quite literally the center of conservatism. She’s familiar. Which is, I think, why she appeals to so many people.

Gotta say that whatever her future plans, I respect this choice. Part of me is almost gleeful that she essentially told the MSM to F-off.

Animator Girl on July 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM

I have seen posters the last three days on the Palin threads that have never commented before on Hot Air. And judging from some of the vitriol, condescension, and unabashed PDS, we weren’t missing anything.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Has Sarah Palin actually said anything about running in 2012? It could happen I guess, but it seems a long shot at this point. I honestly do not know what the big fight is about however, we will find out sooner or later.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:11 PM

As someone mentioned above, I suspect Palin herself could go on live TV and state in unambigous terms that she’s not running, and some of you would insist it was a genius move that proves she’s running.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM

No candidate has announced that they’re running yet, maybe she wants to take it slow and get a feeling of how big her support is before she declare that she runs. It also depends on the how things develops nationally economy etc. She got noting to lose in making a wait and see approach.

You’re dead set that it’s impossible for her , Mittens could fetch coffee for her or something when she potus ?

the_nile on July 6, 2009 at 7:11 PM

For those who haven’t heard yet, Fox has gotten the first interview with Palin and it’s supposed to air tomorrow. No idea what time. They are interviewing her tonight.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Well, that is about the most laughable post I have seen today.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM

Palin isn’t running because Mark Sanford is going to win. That whole cheating on his wife thing? All part of his plan, we just don’t know it yet because he’s so darned unconventional.

See? I can make ridiculous predictions too. And you’re all RINO traitors if you think differently.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I’m LOLing to myself.

Everyone else gets bashed for thinking what Ziegler is — that 2012 might be out of the question.

But not many people are touching this thread.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

Animator Girl:

I probably would have told them to eff off a lot sooner.

As for 2012, that is a long ways off. Think of this: in 2007 it was supposed to be Clinton and Rudy in 2008. Look at how that turned out. You never know who and what might happen.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM

But not many people are touching this thread.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I’ll touch this thread, I’ll rub my body all over it…..

BB, it will all be okay. Don’t frown.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM

As I’ve said before (sound familiar) You all ought to just take her word for why she is resigning. I can’t think of an example where she has lied before. Someone would have dug up an honest example.

She’s done what she had to do as Governor and now she has just become a hinderance through no fault of her own.

I think they just pissed the lady off and she is running in 2012. I’m willing to see how she runs her own campaign without beltway interference. It’s still a free country, I think.

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

the_nile:

Or maybe Sarah does not want to run in 2012. That is a possibility.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Don’t give me that image. I’m getting hitched Saturday.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I don’t blame her, she has been treated horridously.. You Go GIRL…

reshas1 on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

kingjester:

Congratulations. Good luck. Break a leg.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Don’t give me that image. I’m getting hitched Saturday.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

congrats
enjoy

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Don’t give me that image. I’m getting hitched Saturday.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

CONGRATULATIONS! I hope you got a lot of popcorn for the occasion, looks like we’re gonna need it.

*Lifts bucket of iced tea: Cheers, King!*

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Hollowpoint:
Your handle is in honor of your head isn’t it?

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

I’ve got a 9th floor condo on the beach in Gulf Shores, AL for next week. Don’t worry, kiddo. We will.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM

or those who haven’t heard yet, Fox has gotten the first interview with Palin and it’s supposed to air tomorrow. No idea what time. They are interviewing her tonight.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Do you know who is interviewing?

Firebird on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Don’t give me that image. I’m getting hitched Saturday.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Congrats. Many of years of happiness.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM

im waiting for someone to come and trash ziegler.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 6:15 PM

…are you still waiting?

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

I’m LOLing to myself.

Everyone else gets bashed for thinking what Ziegler is — that 2012 might be out of the question.

But not many people are touching this thread.

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I guarantee you that if Palin feels like she get the support she needs to run , she’ll run 2012.
She’s better then Obama , we know it and she knows it.

She’ll make her “test run” when campaigning for other causes and politicians to check the response , deciding go or no go.

She like to compete and to win.

the_nile on July 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Palin isn’t running because Mark Sanford is going to win. That whole cheating on his wife thing? All part of his plan, we just don’t know it yet because he’s so darned unconventional.

See? I can make ridiculous predictions too. And you’re all RINO traitors if you think differently.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

First of all, I didn’t say for certain what Palin is doing. I haven’t a clue until she says what she is doing. I’d like her to continue in politics because I think she’s good for the party. What I don’t want is a stiff log going up against smary Obama in 2012. But again, the main point is – I don’t know what is going to happen.

All I asked you was to provide some debate to the issue. That is it. I thought you might be willing to engage in some intelligent discussion, but instead you called me (and others) naive and irrational.

At least we can back up a position on her running with thoughtful insight. We ask you to do the same on why you think she won’t run and you call us names, tell us it’s not worth you pointing out the brilliance of your opinion on the matter and then ramble on about Sanford running saying “hey I can say stupid stuff too!”. Great debating skills.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

She’s done what she had to do as Governor and now she has just become a hinderance through no fault of her own.

I think they just pissed the lady off and she is running in 2012. I’m willing to see how she runs her own campaign without beltway interference. It’s still a free country, I think.

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

New campaign slogan: Vote Palin 2012! Couldn’t stand the Alaskan heat, so send her to the White House kitchen!

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Do you know who is interviewing?

Firebird on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Liz Trotta. /s

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

the_nile:

Maybe she is tired of the campaigns, maybe she thinks she can do more good some other way.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

I’ll touch this thread, I’ll rub my body all over it…..

BB, it will all be okay. Don’t frown.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM

LOL…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Hollowpoint:

Thanks! You confirmed it!

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:23 PM

I’m getting hitched Saturday.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Congrats kj, and remember these four words: She’s right/Yes dear and you will have many happy years.

thomasaur on July 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

or those who haven’t heard yet, Fox has gotten the first interview with Palin and it’s supposed to air tomorrow. No idea what time. They are interviewing her tonight.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Do you know who is interviewing?

Firebird on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Dan Springer, I think?

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Vince:

You know what concerns me? So many people have decided that Palin is running in 2012 in spite of the fact that she herself has never said anything of the kind. I am concerned that if she does not run or if she decides to pursue her goals in some other venue that people will be angry with her…for not doing something she herself never said she would do.

Maybe we should just wait and see what happens.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Another media figure responds…

Martha, a poster on Shannyn Moore’s blog, wrote…

Beers inside me but I am still releasing this one-word Palin joke which is killing here at [the] party:

…Iquitarod

Is Sarah… very light in her wedgies and an airhead to boot, or do her neighbors in Alaska really respect her?

Geezer on July 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I’m getting hitched Saturday.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Congrats!!!

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Like Mark Tapscott, he sees Palin adapting herself for the foreseeable future to non-electoral politics — as an activist and a movement leader.

If her goal is what I think it is–to change the political and media culture of this country, then she would have far greater impact and be far more influential as a movement leader and activist than as an office holder–even holding the office of President. Think Martin Luther King and Susan B. Anthony here–neither one served in a public office, but the impact they had on American society cannot be questioned.

I have a feeling that by the time she is done, the Left, the old media, and the Beltway/East Coast/West Coast elite are going to wish that she had finished out her term as governor and ran for and won the presidency.

Matt Helm on July 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Or maybe Sarah does not want to run in 2012. That is a possibility.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Did you hear all the problems she sees the country in, do you think she stands back if she can change that,if she gets the support that she needs?

the_nile on July 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM

New campaign slogan: Vote Palin 2012! Couldn’t stand the Alaskan heat, so send her to the White House kitchen!

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

So don’t vote for her in the primary and your done. All fixed!! That should end it. Campaign against her. Pick somebody and go to work for them. Use all this pent up frustration for a cause. That’s all there is to it. Vote for someone else in the Primary.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Maybe we should just wait and see what happens.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM

It’s too fun to speculate, Terrye. I hope she runs with Liz Cheney. Talk about girl power!

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

New campaign slogan: Vote Palin 2012! Couldn’t stand the Alaskan heat, so send her to the White House kitchen!

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Yes, yes, we get it. You’ve become redundant, Hollow.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Terrye:

Doesn’t matter to me if she runs or not. I can only vote for individuals that are running and it’s certainly not my place to tell her to run or not. I just believe that she will if things turn out good for her in her new role and I say that because I don’t think she is getting out of politics.

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

All Palin has to do is snort coke and hangout with Rev. Wright and she will win.

Firebird on July 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM

At least we can back up a position on her running with thoughtful insight. We ask you to do the same on why you think she won’t run and you call us names, tell us it’s not worth you pointing out the brilliance of your opinion on the matter and then ramble on about Sanford running saying “hey I can say stupid stuff too!”. Great debating skills.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:21 PM

If there’s an intelligent, well thought out comment in the thousands made about his subject effectively argues how a 2012 run would be feasible, I apparently missed it.

I’ve asked numerous times (without snark or trolling) how she’d possibly deal with question of why voters would trust her with the Presidency when she resigned under the pressure of being Alaskan governor- a perception that her resignation speech fed into.

I’ve yet to get a realistic answer. But I have read a whole lot of comments labelling anyone who doubts her ability to launch a successful run in 2012 as a traitorous RINO elitist pessimist.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

It’s too fun to speculate, Terrye. I hope she runs with Liz Cheney. Talk about girl power!

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM</blockquote

It’s too fun to speculate, Terrye. I hope she runs with Liz Cheney. Talk about girl power!

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:27 PM

I really have something to say about this…but I wouldn’t want to get banned…or cause BB any discomfort!

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Regarding her future plans: Give it a rest. Nobody knows for sure except herself and her family, but I would be surprised if she wasn’t front and center come both 2010 & 2012.

Norwegian on July 6, 2009 at 6:34 PM

I think that’s true. She’s getting out for the time being to stave off financial ruin and the cheap pot shots against her kids. I don’t think she has clear plans or some grand strategy, though I could be wrong.

ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

hmmm…how’d that happen???

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM

I’ve yet to get a realistic answer. But I have read a whole lot of comments labelling anyone who doubts her ability to launch a successful run in 2012 as a traitorous RINO elitist pessimist.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

I don’t see those who’ve been dismissive of her all along offering much in the way of winning alternatives, either. Mitt? Newt? LOL Please.

ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Is Sarah… very light in her wedgies and an airhead to boot, or do her neighbors in Alaska really respect her?

Geezer on July 6, 2009 at 7:25 PM

If she’s so light in her wedgies and an airhead to boot, why have they gotten themselves into such a lather over the past 10 months? Hmmmm?

ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM

I think that’s true. She’s getting out for the time being to stave off financial ruin and the cheap pot shots against her kids. I don’t think she has clear plans or some grand strategy, though I could be wrong.

ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Well ,she talk about “just the first chapter” , she says that she will campaign for like minded people with conservative ideas. Thats a plan , and if it turns out well it will lead to other bigger things.

the_nile on July 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Hollowpoint:

You need to go back a listen to her resignation speech. You’ve made up a reasson as to why she resigned and talked yourself into believing it.

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Hollowpoint:

You need to go back a listen to her resignation speech. You’ve made up a reasson as to why she resigned and talked yourself into believing it.

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM

He got an agenda.

the_nile on July 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM

As Stapleton suggested in the interview, the media has a twisted fascination with Palin, so she may try to talk over that negative attention and get a conservative message out. She could do it, but it’s a big risk she is taking.

RedRedRice on July 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM

If there’s an intelligent, well thought out comment in the thousands made about his subject effectively argues how a 2012 run would be feasible, I apparently missed it.

I’ve asked numerous times (without snark or trolling) how she’d possibly deal with question of why voters would trust her with the Presidency when she resigned under the pressure of being Alaskan governor- a perception that her resignation speech fed into.

I’ve yet to get a realistic answer. But I have read a whole lot of comments labelling anyone who doubts her ability to launch a successful run in 2012 as a traitorous RINO elitist pessimist.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Well, I’d appreciate if you’d not lump me into the group calling folks Rinos, as I have never done anything of the sort.

And I didn’t see your call for a reason as to how she’d overcome the issue of resigning but it’s been hashed and rehashed hundreds of times so far. Her position in Alaska, with the ethic complaints, the monetary cost to her family, the monetary cost to Alaskans, the time and effort wasted on them which deprives Alaskans of a Governor doing her job effectively, the personal attacks against her children, he inabiltity to do anything for the party without another ethic complaint, etc. All those are pretty valid reasons as to why. They aren’t things which will happen in the white house. As I said before, even the biggest jackas*es out there don’t have the balls to viciously attack a sitting President’s children with the vile crap they did against her as Governor.

Now that’s what I am thinking at the moment. I am open for debate. I’m not a Palinite or whatever you all are calling rabid supporters. I am just someone interested in points of view.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Of the 49 other states, which governor could create this much noise by resigning? Without a sex scandal, no less.

I don’t care who is in office as long as “we the people” keep them accountable. (OK, I care a little). If that’s what Palin, or anyone else, is going to do, then I’m all for it.

BTW. If Palin can’t be elected in 2012, no Obama opponent can.

pugwriter on July 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM

I’ve asked numerous times (without snark or trolling) how she’d possibly deal with question of why voters would trust her with the Presidency when she resigned under the pressure of being Alaskan governor- a perception that her resignation speech fed into.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

That issue has been ably handled in hundreds of comments. People leave office to do something else all the time. Usually, they don’t have any more compelling reason than it’s in their personal interest (as when a Senator quits to go to the White House or the cabinet), but Palin left because she was no longer effective in governing, due to the weight of leftist onslaughts. Further, she is moving on to help with much larger problems that our nation faces – problems that are immediate and will not wait for the next election cycles.

If you want to run with the “she quit her position” theme, then fine, but if you take that tack and apply it to all, you’d have to rule out the majority of today’s politicians. Is that the way you’re headed, to say that any politician who has left before the end of their term is a quitter? Or does it just apply to Palin?

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM

I’ve asked numerous times (without snark or trolling) how she’d possibly deal with question of why voters would trust her with the Presidency when she resigned under the pressure of being Alaskan governor- a perception that her resignation speech fed into.

I’ve yet to get a realistic answer. But I have read a whole lot of comments labelling anyone who doubts her ability to launch a successful run in 2012 as a traitorous RINO elitist pessimist.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:29

I’ll take a crack at it, Hollowpoint.
She stepped down for two reasons. 1. Demorats with nothing better to do than sue her on ethics complaints were cost the tax payers two million dollars, with no end in sight. Every complaint was dismissed, but this was not going to stop the brain dead, I’m sorry, that’s redundant….the democrats.
2. She stepped down to allow legislation to be unblocked in the Alaska state house, again, demorats were stomping their feet simply because she is Sarah.

Both reasons are good reasons, for the taxpaying voters of Alaska. Two million dollars could have been spent to build a new school, fix infrastructure, or even give a rebate to help them in the financial FU known as the era of obama.
But, it was spent on attorney fees for frivilous ethics claims. As a financially concerned conservative, this was unacceptable.
Now, personally, she and her family were under constant scrutiny, attack by msm and others that felt it was their God-given right to defame her family.
Yes, many people are under attack, but how many people have to be concerned about attacks on their family as well.
Hillary Clinton was not worried about that, and as far as I know, she has not been sued and Chelsea is not attacked either.

If you hate Sarah, nothing will change. If you want to give her a chance, well, then let her speak. Let her tell us what her stance is on the issues and compare them with the waste of skin that is currently in the WH……

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM

Hornet Sting:

I think that is Lynn Cheney you are talking about, and yes I really like that lady.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Congrats kj, and remember these four words: She’s right/Yes dear and you will have many happy years.

thomasaur on July 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM

.
You forgot one important thing. When ever she ask you “how her butt looks” the answer is one word “GREAT” any other word used will be considered a night alone on the couch.

h/t Jeff Foxworthy

Americannodash on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM

It’s magic.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

“Productive, fulfilled people determine where to put their efforts, choosing to wisely utilize precious time… to BUILD UP.

And there is such a need to BUILD up and FIGHT for our state and our country. I choose to FIGHT for it! And I’ll work hard for others who still believe in free enterprise and smaller government; strong national security for our country and support for our troops; energy independence; and for those who will protect freedom and equality and LIFE… I’ll work for and campaign for those PROUD to be American, and those who are INSPIRED by our ideals and won’t deride them.

I WILL support others who seek to serve, in or out of office, for the RIGHT reasons, and I don’t care what party they’re in or no party at all. Inside Alaska – or Outside Alaska.”

Sarah

the_nile on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

So don’t vote for her in the primary and your done. All fixed!! That should end it. Campaign against her. Pick somebody and go to work for them. Use all this pent up frustration for a cause. That’s all there is to it. Vote for someone else in the Primary.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM

My only frustrations are the somewhat inept manner she handled her resignation, and the inability of her most rabid of fans to deal with reality in the wake of her resignation.

If she felt resigning was the right thing to do for herself, her family and Alaska- so be it. But it would be ridiculous to think there aren’t serious political consequences that result from it.

I do like Sarah Palin and hope she is able to come out of this with her head held high… but as a 2012 candidate? Forget it; not going to happen. I know it and I strongly suspect she does too.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Hornet Sting:

I think that is Lynn Cheney you are talking about, and yes I really like that lady.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

I think Lynn is the wife and Liz is the daughter.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Meg Stapleton “People trust she is doing what’s best for them and knows the best route to get it done.”

Not ed, he trusts david gergen and geraldine ferraro.

John and I had a conversation this afternoon, and he agrees that Palin couldn’t have done this with an eye towards a 2012 presidential run.

The spin has begun! Haaaaaaaaaaa! In a year he’ll be saying he understood all along. Haaaaaa!

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 7:43 PM

I think Lynn is the wife and Liz is the daughter.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:42 PM

I think you’re right…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Did you hear all the problems she sees the country in, do you think she stands back if she can change that,if she gets the support that she needs?

the_nile on July 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM

A couple of things, one of them being she might not get the support she needs, the other one being, she might think she can accomplish this goal some other way. She also might not think the world will come to an end in 2013 if she does not win in 2012, her view might be longer than that.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:44 PM

You need to go back a listen to her resignation speech. You’ve made up a reasson as to why she resigned and talked yourself into believing it.

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Which of the four or so reasons she gave is the one we’re supposed to focus on today? I didn’t get the memo.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:44 PM

“…why have they gotten themselves into such a lather over the past 10 months? Hmmmm?
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Who’s “they”…?

Geezer on July 6, 2009 at 7:45 PM

I think Lynn is the wife and Liz is the daughter.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Yes. And they are both excellent. Lynn is very smart and Liz seems to take after her mother and father. I haven’t heard Mary speak much.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Hornet Sting:

You are right. You are right. Liz is the daughter, Lynn is the wife.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:45 PM

peacenprosperity:

I am sorry, but I don’t see any spin there. Ed has been pretty consistent.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Everyone else gets bashed for thinking what Ziegler is — that 2012 might be out of the question.
blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM

I listened to the whole interview with Meg but I didn’t hear that. Where did you hear that?

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 7:47 PM

I haven’t heard Mary speak much.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Mary must be pretty smart as well. She was the one Dick Cheney kept on his staff during elections.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM

A couple of things, one of them being she might not get the support she needs, the other one being, she might think she can accomplish this goal some other way. She also might not think the world will come to an end in 2013 if she does not win in 2012, her view might be longer than that.

Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Well it’s obvious that she wont run if she don’t get support.

But her stated plans include a test run to check that and campaign for supporters.

the_nile on July 6, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Which of the four or so reasons she gave is the one we’re supposed to focus on today? I didn’t get the memo.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Her main reason for leaving was because she’s been rendered ineffective and cost Alaska too much for her to stay. She explained that she could stay in the position, anyway, and just drift through to the end, helping no one but herself, but decided that there are too many immediate problems that she thinks her efforts might be better spent helping.

I found it all to be quite clear from when I heard her speech. I don’t know why you are confused by it.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 7:49 PM

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM
I’ve got a 9th floor condo on the beach in Gulf Shores, AL for next week. Don’t worry, kiddo. We will.
kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM

it’s tempting to make a sex joke

but out of respect for you and future wife

you can imagine what I’d say

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Mary must be pretty smart as well. She was the one Dick Cheney kept on his staff during elections.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM

I assume that she’s probably like the rest of the family, in terms of being smart and quick. I think she hasn’t been very public because of her gay-marriage position. But I’d like to hear her speak about conservativism and see what she has to say.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Hollowpoint:

She can have more than one reason for resigning we don’t need to focus on one. If she only had one reason, you might have a better argument.

If you believe she made a mistake, you are not alone but don’t be so dismissive of those that disagree with you. Please?

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

I am sorry, but I don’t see any spin there. Ed has been pretty consistent.
Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 7:47 PM

He’s trying to soften his position already. He didn’t say “she didn’t give cionsideration to 2012 when she made this decision.” He said “SHE”S DONE!!!!” I’ll bet good money that Ziegler said to ed that Palin made the decision not based on future opportunities but on what was the right thing to do. Probably alot like what The Other Mccain said. But ed is spinning it to sound like ziegler was agreeing with his hysterical post from the other day.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I do like Sarah Palin and hope she is able to come out of this with her head held high… but as a 2012 candidate? Forget it; not going to happen. I know it and I strongly suspect she does too.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Here is where I think, alot of her defenders get hung up on.

1.Defending Palin the person
2.Defending Palin the politician

I think everybody likes Palin. It’s that people have attacked her so personally for almost 11 months, people are sensitive to her criticism…even if its constructive. Your comments of “ain’t gonna happen, no way now how” have been applied to Palin for years, as mayor,councilwoman,Governor,& VP nominee.

I don’t judge Palin by other politicians, because she is NOT AT ALL like any politician in recent memory. The media applied new rules to her by attacking her & family to personally, so she has had to break away from the old paradigm of “Governor, to Presidency” meme that were told she has to follow. Who makes these rules?

The rule only applies if WE AS A PARTY MAKE IT APPLY.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM

blatantblue on July 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Remember…I’m twice as old as you, kiddo. I’ve said it already.

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM

I’ll take a crack at it, Hollowpoint.
She stepped down for two reasons…
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 7:39 PM

All you’ve done is rationalize why she resigned.

Would she not have to deal with obstructionist Democrats as President? Attacks on her and her family? Ethics investigations?

Even if you assume she wouldn’t have to deal with those precise issues (and she would), it raises the question of what else might push her to the breaking point.

The POTUS is expected to deal with whatever comes his way- personal attacks, assassination attempts, gossip about is family, not to mention the prospect of vaporizing a city with a nuclear weapon.

That she could no longer govern effectively- for any reason whatsoever- to the such an extent that resignation was her best option isn’t something that voters would be willing to overlook when picking a candidate for the most powerful position on the planet.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM

But I’d like to hear her speak about conservativism and see what she has to say.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Agreed.

The GOP needs way more Cheney infusion before 2010 and 2012.

myrenovations on July 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM

This is where I break with Ziegler. This was clearly a move to get her in the ball game leading to a possible Presidential run by allowing Sarah to travel in the lower 48 and get more exposure, advance her positions and raise a ton of money. Mark Levin’s take on the announcement was right on the mark about Sarah not being able to run a Presidential campaign while situated so far away from the lower 48 while still the sitting governor of Alaska.

technopeasant on July 6, 2009 at 7:56 PM

That she could no longer govern effectively- for any reason whatsoever- to the such an extent that resignation was her best option isn’t something that voters would be willing to overlook when picking a candidate for the most powerful position on the planet.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM

This nation won’t make it to the next Presidential election if the junta in Washington is not stopped, now. That is the most important fight and I want all able hands on deck, now, for it. Otherwise, it just won’t matter.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Nixon resigned. Clinto didn’t. I think the press holds the trump card.

Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM

I’ve asked numerous times (without snark or trolling) how she’d possibly deal with question of why voters would trust her with the Presidency when she resigned under the pressure of being Alaskan governor- a perception that her resignation speech fed into.
Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Millions of dollars and operatives have already flowed into Alaska to stimey any kind of productivity from the Palin administration. Any initiative from the governors office would have been defeated. Nothing would have been done in the next 16 months. In addition, if any details of the pipeline deal are still to be hammered out, the oil executives who would make those decisions have been visited by men with briefcases full of money who made them offers they couldn’t refuse if they dragged out any further negotiations until she was out of office. There would not only be no victories or accomplishments from here on out but the state would suffer from the intentional shut down by the national left. In the meanwhile, ethics complaint after ethics complaint would be filed. There would be 50 against her by the time she left office and most likely all would be defeated. Defeating them would leave her either broke or beholden to special interests who would bail her out. Either way, in 2011 as the presidential race got under way, every msm mouthpiece would introduce stories about her as “the most investigated governor in the history of the US” and “the governor who had 50 ethics complaints lodged against her in one term”. Doesn’t matter if every one was frivolous and thrown out. They are already saying the Bush presidency was scandal plagued. What scandals were real? Palin put in place a successful and ethical team and she has a Lt. Governor she trusts. The national money will dry up the day of her resignation and the state will have an administration in place with the same vision as if she were there without the full court press. She now has 3 years to help people like you understand her motivations. Her resignation will be so old news by 2011 that any idiot who brings it up will look exactly like that, an idiot.

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Palin the Impaler! Skewering loony lefties and rank RINO’s!

Btw, gubernatorial terms are called limits for a reason. They’re put in place to prevent politicians holding on to power too long. They’re not contracts saying that you’re tied to the post and can’t leave. US Politicians: Freely elected, freely replaced, freely able to move on.

trace_9r on July 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM

she’ll run if there are enough people clamoring for her to.

if not, she will be doing what she feels is best for her state and the country.

that’s about it, i think. we’ll all find out soon enough.

homesickamerican on July 6, 2009 at 8:01 PM

That she could no longer govern effectively- for any reason whatsoever- to the such an extent that resignation was her best option isn’t something that voters would be willing to overlook when picking a candidate for the most powerful position on the planet.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM

As a voter, I won’t overlook it at all. In fact, I’m impressed that she was so selfless that she would intentionally endure another round of abuse for the Alaskan taxpayer.

littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 8:01 PM

“…why have they gotten themselves into such a lather over the past 10 months? Hmmmm?
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Limbaugh, Levin and Hanitty have “lather up” others,huh…you say…?

Geezer on July 6, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Hollowpoint:

She can have more than one reason for resigning we don’t need to focus on one. If she only had one reason, you might have a better argument.
Vince on July 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM

The fact that she gave several reasons instead of one compelling one is very much part of the problem of how she handled her resignation.

I’m reminded of the scene from The Blues Brothers, where Jake is trying to explain to his ex-fiance why he left her at the altar. Ran out of gas, hurricane, flat tire, locusts… what made the scene funny is that the more excuses he gave, the less believeable he was.

When you need to give a reason for doing something to a skepical audience, simple and compelling is better than the shotgun approach of hoping one of several reasons will stick.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 8:02 PM

More power to her. She doesn’t have a party infrastructure to work with anyway. Too many jackhole party toadies and token literati hangers-on. Closed system.

spmat on July 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Yes, and they are going to talk about her hair, her clothes, the way she speaks….blah blah blah blah blah….

THEY say a lot of things. EVERYONE is harder on Sarah, the media, her own party….not just the demorats.

Pat yourself on the back, Hollowpoint. You are no different than the MSM, the demorats, and the rinos….take a bow.

What I want to know is, what will push obama to the breaking point.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM

peacenprosperity on July 6, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Again- you’re rationalizing her reasons for resigning without addressing the perception that leaves. Relying on people just to forget about it isn’t much of a plan.

In the end, it does not matter if resigning was the right thing to do for herself or the state of Alaska. The perception will be that she couldn’t deal with the challenges she faced so just up and quit.

People expect their President to be ambitious and able to handle anything thrown their way- even (perhaps especially) when it would be impossible for anyone to deal with it. The impression they’ll have of Palin was she’s not up to that task.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

What I want to know is, what will push obama to the breaking point.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM

Obamabi would have had a mental break down if he had 1/100th the scrutiny & slime journalism Palin received.

Fox went after him lightly and all he ever does is whine about how “fox is out to get me” meme. Talk about detachment from reality.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

The fact that she gave several reasons instead of one compelling one is very much part of the problem of how she handled her resignation.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 8:02 PM

LOL. Perhaps she just wanted to speak the truth, including all the reasons. From what I know of her, she isn’t interested in coming up with reasons that this guy or that will buy — she actually means what she says! I, for one, understood every word and it was all reasonable to me.

littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

So let’s ask some valid questions here.

Can the same sort of frivolous ethics complaints be brought against a President?

So much so that it a.) hamstrings the administration and b.) costs the President both time and money?

Does the MSM and it’s various puppet-people have the juevos to spit the same sort of vile crap against a sitting President’s children as they do against a sitting Governor’s children?

I made the point before that no foreign head of state is going to attack the US President’s children.

Thunderstorm129 on July 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM

The impression they’ll have of Palin was she’s not up to that task.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Let the electorate decide what Palin can be and cannot be forgiven for. I trust her judgment on Governance, and believe her reasons for resigning her office were justifiable.

If she has no support during the primaries, it will be settled.

portlandon on July 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM

who knows if she is going to run or not. John doesnt know, he just assumes. That interview did NOTHING to tell me that she definitely was NOT running in 2012.

ousoonerfan15 on July 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM

In the end, it does not matter if resigning was the right thing to do for herself or the state of Alaska. The perception will be that she couldn’t deal with the challenges she faced so just up and quit.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Those people hated her guts already, anyway. Perhaps when they see she hasn’t gone away, they will feel that knot in their stomachs all over again.

littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 8:12 PM

“The impression they’ll have of Palin was she’s not up to that task.”
Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Sarah… very light in her wedgies and an airhead to boot, and do her neighbors in Alaska really respect her?

Your thought…?

Geezer on July 6, 2009 at 8:18 PM

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