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Ace’s “special comment” on Palinistas

posted at 2:15 pm on July 6, 2009 by Karl
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Edited only slightly, so there will be some profanity:

It’s this insane idea that if you want something to happen, you will also of course agree that it will happen, and if you don’t agree it will happen, obviously you don’t want it to happen.

In other words, if you’re cheering for one side, you must of course believe that side will win, and if you suggest our side won’t win, well, gee, you must be cheering against us.

It’s insane. I wanted the Giants to win against the Eagles in the playoffs, but I predicted they’d lose, because the Eagles had their number and they were coming apart at the seams. They did lose, for the reasons I guessed (I think). That did not mean I wasn’t “on their side,” I’ve been on the Giants’ side all my life.

But there is a mentality in the nutroots that if you dare to post a poll showing Republicans down and say “we’re in trouble, we need a game-changer,” well, that means you’re secretly rooting against our side.

And if you say that Fred Thompson isn’t catching on as hoped, well, you hate Fred Thomson.

And if you do not believe that Sarah Palin has some double-secret probation plan for the presidency, you must hate her too, and you’re rooting against her, and cheering for the other side.

This is fucking insane and it must stop. I will not be bullied by this ludicrous magical thinking brigade who insists that only Nice and Positive Words must be uttered or else one is contributing one’s Evil Energy to the Wrong Side.

It’s insane.

I disagree with you. I have tried to do so pleasantly but I am tired of the imputation of bad motive simply because I am more realistic and less prone to flights of hopeful fancy than you.

If you think I’m wrong, say so. I do not mind being called wrong. I do, however, greatly mind being called a traitor, of harboring a secret agenda I hide from you in order to advance the MSM’s interests, etc., and all the rest of this insane bullshit.

Someone can be wrong honestly, without the need of claiming he’s wrong dishonestly, wrong because he’s actively intending to subvert the cause (so he can of course get invited to these famous DC dinner parties, etc.)

Stop jumping to claim some one is not just wrong but actively malicious.

It’s insane. It’s fruit fucking loops. and it’s tiresome.

And I do think I am taking off the week. You guys only seem to want to talk about Sarah Palin and furthermore you only want to hear the same thing — she’s running, this is a great move, she’s now perfectly poised for the race, etc.

It’s nonsense. And I hardly need to blog about it, because you all seem to know the words to the song. So you don’t need me as part of the chorus. You can sing the same words well enough without me.

I am really tired of this relentless nonsense and occasional nastiness whenever someone is believed to have departed from the conservativey correct line.

To anticipate some of the responses that comments like this have already generated, for the purpose of this discussion, I really do not care what Ace wrote about Palin’s resignation, any more than I care about what Ed Morrissey wrote about it, any more than I care about the advice Jonah Goldberg was offering Palin before her announcement. I can disagree with any part or all of their opinions without irrationally jumping to the conclusion that they hate Palin, or have thrown in their lot with David Frum and Colin Powell.

Indeed, I can point out what I think are some of the flaws in Goldberg’s piece. He overstates how much Palin has been out of Alaska since the election, while understating the degree to which her profile these days has been dictated by David Letterman, Vanity Fair’s Todd Purdum, and disgruntled McCain campaign officials dragging her (and her daughters) into the spotlight. But consider some of the over-the-top reactions against Goldberg’s writing and person when the piece was linked here at HotAir (Obviously, not all of the critical comments were over-the-top, but if you read them all, you’ll find a fair number of them). To grasp how off-kilter some of the vitriol was, consider that Goldberg argued that Palin can match Romney’s ability to talk policy if she wants to, but Romney will never have Palin’s charisma. How that qualifies as heresy eludes me. The notion that Goldberg is somehow “blowing up the conservative movement” by stating his opinion also seems to impute to him influence far beyond that which he actually has (and I would say the same of Charles Krauthammer, let alone a handful of conservative bloggers).

As for her resignation, my analysis would be closer to that of Mark Halperin than Ace or Ed. But I can disagree with them on Palin’s future prospects while utterly agreeing with Ace’s comment about Palin’s most rabid supporters, who are probably doing her no favors. I suspect that some of the reasons the Left has a special loathing for Palin are the same reasons why some on the Right seem to have an absolutely blind love for her. Should she decide to run for president, the Left will likely enjoy the prospect of using her most devoted followers to highlight her most polarizing qualities.

Granted, the knee-jerk defense of Palin is also a product of the sheer volume and bile of the attacks on her from the Left. But the unfair attacks of the Left will not go away, so long as Palin remains in politics. Nor do those unfair attacks justify unfair attacks by Palin supporters against others on the Right who have supported Palin, or simply called the balls and strikes as they saw them. It is possible to be mistaken without being evil.

Finally, consider this from R. A. Mansour’s profile at Conservatives4Palin:

Make no mistake, the beating she took during the campaign was wounding. She’s not as confident as she once was. You can see it in the difference between her pre-campaign interviews and her post-campaign interviews. There’s a stuttering nervousness about her now. She’s trying to get back on her game.

That could be read more than one way. Presuming that Mansour did not intend to paint Palin as someone who can be beaten down by the likes of Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson, it suggests that Palin recognizes that she needs to raise her game to meet The Narrative likely to be built against her — should she seek a national leadership position. If so, Sarah Palin and Jonah Goldberg really are not all that far apart.

Addendum (Ed): Sarah Palin is not an issue.  Sarah Palin is not a political principle.  Sarah Palin is a politician.  If her supporters demand no criticism of a politician, they risk turning Palin and her supporters into nothing more than a cult of personality, the kind we derided with Barack Obama.  And it does our friends no favors if we see them going over a cliff and remain silent, or worse yet, cheer them to go faster.

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doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I thought I told you to go wait in the car.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Liar. Your deceptions will not work here.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Liar. Your vitriol will not work here.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Tav on July 6, 2009 at 8:52 PM

I take it you’re single.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Apparently he has never done anything egregious enough to be condemned to matrimony.

PercyB on July 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Liar. Your deceptions will not work here.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Liar. Your vitriol will not work here.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM

You seem to have a need to engage in verbal use. You might think about getting help for that.

ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Apparently he has never done anything egregious enough to be condemned to matrimony.

PercyB on July 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Yes, I’m sure his hand is so much more fun.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM

ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM

You need some humor with that vitriol, babe.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Yes, I’m sure his hand is so much more fun.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Wow, you are knowledgeable! Such vitriol!

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Missy,

While I appreciate the strawman you set up about not wanting to bankrupt her family. It is a compelling argument. It isn’t the last word. If next we know Palin is pulling in millions from book deals and speaking engagement, it sorta puts a different light on leaving office early, wouldn’t you agree?

Why is it a strawman? I phrased it as a hypothetical – IF staying will bankrupt her, shoud she stay? If you think that bankruptcy is an impossibility, feel free to say why. She is already $500K in the red after 15 complaints and I don’t see any reason to think that the bleeding wouldn’t continue if she stayed.

I’m all for her making some money if it will help her retire her debt. But she can’t write the book and do the speaking engagements as governor without incurring more time and costs, since she gets hit with an ethics complaint every time she leaves the state. And if she did do those things as gov, she would be answerable (fairly in my opinion) to the charges that she was abandoning Alaska to make money.

Again, I phrased this as a hypothetical. The $500K figure is fact as far as we know it. I don’t see how she can get out of debt while she stays in AK. If you have more info, please let me know.

It is very clear at this point that Palin is not that person. She can get there but she is definitely not ready for primetime anytime soon.

I agree with this and you won’t find a single comment of mine to contradict it. At most I have speculated about whether she’ll run in 2012. I personally don’t think she’s ready, at least not at this point.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Well that was fun. I laughed my arse off for a few minutes.

Hope you all don’t choke on the vitriol. I’m off to another thread to spew more comments about traitorousness and villainy.

Ta ta!

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:08 PM

I can fix Obama’s messess: Cut Taxes, Cut Spending, Cut the deficit, Demand accountability of Congress, and shoot a hard line to those who wish us harm..

TN Mom on July 6, 2009 at 8:59 PM

please run for office. And would you consider adding a cut of all White house and Congressional salaries by 5% and then freezing them until we are out of this recession?

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM

I thought I told you to go wait in the car.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:03 PM

I was going to….. But….. Somebody just had to leave the engine running so the air conditioning would work and their damned rat dog kicked the car into drive and well…. The dumb ass rat dog was driving the car down the street when I got back to it…. ;p Try explaining this one to the highway patrol officer chasing your rat dog driven car down the street mister super genius.

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Apparently he has never done anything egregious enough to be condemned to matrimony.

PercyB on July 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Yes, I’m sure his hand is so much more fun.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM

Where were you raised? Victorian England, a Quaker community or Saudi Arabia?

Joe Bloggs on July 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM

HEY! That’s Mrs. to you, Mr. Vitriol!

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:10 PM

I’m off to another thread to spew more comments about traitorousness and villainy.

Ta ta!

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Seriously, how about that cup of coffee?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Sounds very “John McCain-ish”

CC

CapedConservative on July 6, 2009 at 9:11 PM

HEY! That’s Mrs. to you, Mr. Vitriol!

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Cough cough… Well that explains why your rat dog is driving the car…. ;O

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Where were you raised? Victorian England, a Quaker community or Saudi Arabia?

Joe Bloggs on July 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Eh? The man said that women only become less intelligent with age. Unless he’s gay, he’s left with only his hand.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:10 PM

Like a kid with a new toy.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:13 PM

please run for office. And would you consider adding a cut of all White house and Congressional salaries by 5% and then freezing them until we are out of this recession two days after hell freezes over?

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Cough cough… fix’t that for ya… ;)

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Liar. Your vitriol will not work here.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM

I know you are but what am I?

You’re debating skills swing wildly back and forth between being a bully and a child.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:14 PM

please run for office. And would you consider adding a cut of all White house and Congressional salaries by 5% and then freezing them until we are out of this recession?

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:09 PM

It is done! Any Congress critter who objects, I will send their photos to the millions who are unemployed.

TN Mom on July 6, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Oh my God, what a whiner! Never read his blog before & certainly don’t intend to start now.

kg598301 on July 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Cough cough… fix’t that for ya… ;)

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Thanks for many things, especially for your humor.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

When a writer uses the term Palinista and does not understand the sexist undertones, I would say the writer needs to read up on sexism and linguistics.

“When one looks at the overwhelming task at hand, to rework the American language from gender bias, one realizes how much we have invested in male-dominated language already. You cannot just tack an “ess,” or “ette” on the end of everything and claim we are all the same. By the very use of an “ess,” or “ette,” it often distinguishes it as female, or lesser. The use of “ess,” or “ette,” seems to belittle and comes off as very patronizing. I would add “ista” to the list.

njpat on July 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Eh? The man said that women only become less intelligent with age. Unless he’s gay, he’s left with only his hand.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:13 PM

It would appear that he may have giving some women too much credit for logic as well as anatomy.

Joe Bloggs on July 6, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Apparently he has never done anything egregious enough to be condemned to matrimony.

PercyB on July 6, 2009 at 9:04 PM

No comment.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:20 PM

It is done! Any Congress critter who objects, I will send their photos to the millions who are unemployed.

TN Mom on July 6, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Thanks very much for such a very pleasant post.

Now, as my tying is degrading, time for a break.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:22 PM

When a writer uses the term Palinista and does not understand the sexist undertones, I would say the writer needs to read up on sexism and linguistics.

“When one looks at the overwhelming task at hand, to rework the American language from gender bias, one realizes how much we have invested in male-dominated language already. You cannot just tack an “ess,” or “ette” on the end of everything and claim we are all the same. By the very use of an “ess,” or “ette,” it often distinguishes it as female, or lesser. The use of “ess,” or “ette,” seems to belittle and comes off as very patronizing. I would add “ista” to the list.

njpat on July 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

Um, it’s a take on the Spanish form for labelling groups who slavishly follow an individual political personality. Like “Chavista” – follower of Chavez. Probably has to do with the fact that the noun for person in Spanish is feminine.

This is a good example of PC gone nuts.

ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 9:24 PM

Thanks for many things, especially for your humor.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I am just thankful that there are some people here who do understand my humor. I have been told that it is a bit on the, shall we say dry and sardonic and self deprecating side. Sigh… Oh well at least I didn’t have to hang myself this afternoon… ;)

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:27 PM

It would appear that he may have giving some women too much credit for logic as well as anatomy.

Joe Bloggs on July 6, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Not a fan of the ladies either, Joe?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:28 PM

When a writer uses the term Palinista and does not understand the sexist undertones, I would say the writer needs to read up on sexism and linguistics.

“When one looks at the overwhelming task at hand, to rework the American language from gender bias, one realizes how much we have invested in male-dominated language already. You cannot just tack an “ess,” or “ette” on the end of everything and claim we are all the same. By the very use of an “ess,” or “ette,” it often distinguishes it as female, or lesser. The use of “ess,” or “ette,” seems to belittle and comes off as very patronizing. I would add “ista” to the list.

njpat on July 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

And I would say that anyone who makes such an observation should read more history. The term derives from Sandinista, which was later co-opted via portmanteau into Clintonista during the Bill Clinton presidency. There’s even a book by that name, a memoir of the eight-year presidency.

Only recently did it start referring to Hillary supporters.

History did not start yesterday.

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Not a fan of the ladies either, Joe?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:28 PM

Hmmm, If I were smart enough to have a girl friend, this would probably be the part in this discussion where I displayed my enormous intelligence, by asking her what my opinion on this subject was. ;p

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:31 PM

by asking her what my opinion on this subject was. ;p

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Heh. That certainly works.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:32 PM

History did not start yesterday.

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Of course not, History has not started until Barrack Obama says it has started… ;p

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:32 PM

When a writer uses the term Palinista and does not understand the sexist undertones, I would say the writer needs to read up on sexism and linguistics.

There are no sexist connotation to the term Palinista. Bill Clinton’s supporters used to be called Clintonistas. The suffix is a mock reference to the Sandinistas, who were a revoltionary Marxist group operating in Nicaragua in the 1980s.

Clearly Palin’s supporters are willing to use any and every liberal feminist tactic they think might shut down criticism of Palin. Keep trying, better luck next time.

aengus on July 6, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Clearly Palin’s supporters are willing to use any and every liberal feminist tactic they think might shut down criticism of Palin. Keep trying, better luck next time.

aengus on July 6, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Really??? I’m actually smart enough to do that??? No… Seriously???

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:34 PM

First on ‘Ace’.
Dude…don’t take the week off. Take two weeks off. I don’t mind someone having an opinion on Palin. And its not that i think its wrong or malicious. I just think its stupid.
If you (or any of the other chattering monkey class on the right as well as the left) can live with that, then aces to Ace.

Further more…For Ed, Alah or any other countless writers or talk show hosts..You (and please pay special attention to this..its important.)YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT SHES GOING TO DO.
NONE OF US DO.
To pretend like you do, makes you just as silly as david shuster in his prediction that shes finished.
Shes far from finished. I think she’s just getting started actually. What and where she goes from here is anyone’s call. But one things for sure..she will be front and center and punching away.
So please..stop with your incessant handwringing and over pontificating. You know nothing. Stop flapping your lips as if you do.
Sit back..with the rest of us..and lets see what happens.

Handel on July 6, 2009 at 9:36 PM

[njpat on July 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM]

I always thought the Sandinistas were girlie-men, but I don’t think they called themselves that because they modeled their movement around a woman named Sandi.

Sure it tends to convey as a perjorative but ista, from Spanish, et al, is parallel to ist in English and has nothing whatsoever to do with the bug you have up your …

Dusty on July 6, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Really??? I’m actually smart enough to do that??? No… Seriously???

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Hey, as the Senator (*shudder*) said: “You’re good enough, you’re smart enough, and gosh darn it… people like you!”

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Not a fan of the ladies either, Joe?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 9:28 PM

You seem to be confusing ladies with matrimony.

Joe Bloggs on July 6, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Really??? I’m actually smart enough to do that??? No… Seriously???

I’ve never called Palin supporters stupid.

aengus on July 6, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Clearly Palin’s supporters are willing to use any and every liberal feminist tactic they think might shut down criticism of Palin. Keep trying, better luck next time.

aengus on July 6, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Correction: A few of Palin’s cultish acolytes are willing to do that.

Palin’s supporters, which include most of the people atheling was deriding in this post, are fine with criticism. We know she’s not perfect.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Clearly Palin’s supporters are willing to use any and every liberal feminist tactic they think might shut down criticism of Palin. Keep trying, better luck next time.

aengus on July 6, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Palin doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills…

TN Mom on July 6, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Correction: A few of Palin’s cultish acolytes are willing to do that.

Palin’s supporters, which include most of the people atheling was deriding in this post, are fine with criticism. We know she’s not perfect.

Well okay. A vocal minority of activists we’ll say.

aengus on July 6, 2009 at 9:42 PM

We know she’s not perfect.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Yea… Only President Barrack Obama is perfect……….. /do I really need the sarc thingie on this one????

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Handel on July 6, 2009 at 9:36 PM

Unfortunately these people you refer to can’t stay silent. You see, they are in the business of attracting readers. And each day much of what they do consists of instantaneous knee jerk reactions cause they have no time to think. They react and they want to be the first to react cause it is a race to get it published.

So, by necessity, they have a short term view which is why they are usually wrong.

That is the main reason to ignore the blathering pundits.

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Palin doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills…

TN Mom on July 6, 2009 at 9:41 PM

WIN!

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 9:43 PM

Palin doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills…

TN Mom on July 6, 2009 at 9:41 PM

You mean… Flat, dead, one dimensional and green??? Yup, I agree she aint none of them things… ;)

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:43 PM

(pokes doriangrey)

Psst… count your dimensions again! One dimensional is a straight line!

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Palin’s a lightweight buffoon. A quitter and a loser. Hopefully, she fades into oblivion, never to be heard from again, and all you pathetic Palin fanboys and fangirls are relegated to the caves of ignorance to which you belong.

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

(pokes doriangrey)

Psst… count your dimensions again! One dimensional is a straight line!

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 9:45 PM

Pssst…. Check your dead presidents…. They are a straight line, directly to Barrack Obama’s pocket… ;p

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Palin’s a lightweight buffoon. A quitter and a loser. Hopefully, she fades into oblivion, never to be heard from again, and all you pathetic Palin fanboys and fangirls are relegated to the caves of ignorance to which you belong.

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Dude…. seriously pass that hootie you are smoking… that’s some wicked $hit…

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:48 PM

Thanks for many things, especially for your humor.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I am just thankful that there are some people here who do understand my humor. I have been told that it is a bit on the, shall we say dry and sardonic and self deprecating side. Sigh… Oh well at least I didn’t have to hang myself this afternoon… ;)

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:27 PM

Ummmm…. I really haven’t noticed you demonstrate a sense of humor. I was just being sardonic.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Not mine! They’re being kept hermetically sealed in a mayonnaise jar underneath Funk & Wagnall’s porch since noon Thursday!

And for any of you IRS agents reading, I’ve paid to have Funk & Wagnall’s porch moved to an undisclosed location, so THERE!

VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Ummmm…. I really haven’t noticed you demonstrate a sense of humor. I was just being sardonic.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:49 PM

Oh damn………..I guess I didnt dodge that having to go hang myself this afternoon after all…

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Let me see if I understand this. Palin has been attacked like no other person in recent history and yet we

NEED TO REIN IN THE PEOPLE THROWING BOMBS IN HER NAME?

Amazing. The sky has been blotted out with inbound arrows aimed at Palin from every direction and people are getting touchy cause some Palin supporters are fighting back with bombs?

Let the bombs fall where they may.

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I agree with that. Although I think more than that..it is that they have an insecurity. And that is a need to always appear as though they are ’smert’.
And ahead of the curve. They know ALLLLL and must be in the “smert” crowd… the ‘know all’.
They rush out to be in the herd (the righty pundits as well)to say “THIS IS NOT THE WAY PEOPLE DO THINGS!!”
All the while forgetting that this is a woman who her entire life, rarely did things the conventional way. Always went against grain…Usually went about things differently than most…and most of the time came out on top.

Oh but Ed, allah, Ace, Ingraham, Medved and all the other elite chattering teeth are going to say that “that’s just not how its done..She’s finished!”
Well they’re only HALF right.
The other half, they have no idea what they’re talking about.
Put my money on the saucy hunter.
Every time.

Handel on July 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM

I’ll take the “Cult of Conservatism” over RINOland. That’s an easy choice.

Sapwolf on July 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM

The suffix is a mock reference to the Sandinistas, who were a revoltionary Marxist group operating in Nicaragua in the 1980s.

Thank you.

The Race Card on July 6, 2009 at 9:56 PM

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Yeah, well, you’re angry and deranged. Is that you, Ace?

RepubChica on July 6, 2009 at 9:56 PM

The f’in GOP better f’in pray that Sarah Palin is not finished with politics.

Sapwolf on July 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Why couldn’t your mother have been pro-abortion?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 9:58 PM

Yes, let’s listen to Ace to take back the WH in ‘12.

Sapwolf on July 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 9:07 PM

This is really one of those chicken/egg situations.

Without that VP nomination, Palin would have been the cool female governor that most Alaskans loved. There was that one ethics complaint but that was all fluff and it was dismissed as it should have been.

What this really boils down to is Palin’s post-VP nominee life and how her newfound fame relates to her role as Governor of Alaska. If she gets hit with ethics complaints everytime she leaves the state why didn’t she resign outright when she took the VP nomination or conversely why does she keep taking those speaking engagements outside the state if she cannot do so by state law?

Sarah Palin is not a victim here. She is Governor of Alaska and there are specific state laws that dictate what she can and cannot do while serving in that capacity. There are also ways her enemies can use those laws to attack her. She needed to conform her appearances to what her state allowed as its chief executive. Resigning her office frees her up because she is now a private citizen.

Going forward, Palin will be the VP nominee that is making speeches, writing books, or whatever. She will not have to deal with the constraints of also being a public official. It is a move with risks and only time will reveal the wisdom of such a strategy.

highhopes on July 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Put my money on the saucy hunter. Every time.

Handel on July 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM

Me too. I am a proud Palin Cult member. Membership has its rewards. We get a good rate at the Palin-Cult credit union, dues are tax deductible and the bombs are free.

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 10:05 PM

Me too. I am a proud Palin Cult member. Membership has its rewards. We get a good rate at the Palin-Cult credit union, dues are tax deductible and the bombs are free.

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 10:05 PM

And dont forget the extra frequent flier miles for shooting rabid politicians bears… ;)

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 10:08 PM

The f’in GOP better f’in pray that Sarah Palin is not finished with politics.

Sapwolf on July 6, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Surely the geniuses in the GOP know this. Second thought, some one should send them a text message, they could be hiking the appalachian trail.

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 10:09 PM

-Ista
Actually the Spanish adaptation it is derived from “Sandinista”

However, in English “words formed using this suffix usually have more of a pejorative connotation than words formed using -ist –

ie -fashionista.

njpat on July 6, 2009 at 10:11 PM

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

So right. Palin once was the head of the Alaskan Oil and Gas Commission. But she resigned and it ended her chance to become the Governor. Sad but true.

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 10:12 PM

What really gets Ace smoking made enough to use all those words his mamma would not approve, is that Sara Palin will earn more from her next speaking engagement the Ace will earn in the remainder of his writing career. And She’s the dummy?

MikeA on July 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Ahhh, dakine.

I remember the little troll who used to flail around at Michelle Malkin’s blog and got his weenie butt kicked every time. Disappeared and never came back.

I see he’s spamming many threads here.

What a sad creature.

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 10:22 PM

MikeA on July 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM

I guess Ace is not the smartest guy in the deck. Just a joke. Ace, for the most part, is for the good guys and hopefully gals too. We will unify, we must or die.

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 10:22 PM

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Governor Palin’s future is in her own hands. If she chooses, she can be a significant voice in the Republican Party, as well her supporters.

Social conservatives are the dominant group within the GOP and will be for the foreseeable future. Yet, given polling data, so-cons cannot win without at least some support from other groups, that might include neo-con’s, libertarians, moderate Republicans, and even Blue Dog Democrats. If the various ideological and candidate camps within the GOP continue aiming all our ammunition at one another, and burning bridges to one another, we will not take back Congress or the White House. Our priority must be ending this Obamanation, not just promoting our own candidate or ideological group. This means we need to focus on what is best for the country as a whole, not simply ourselves.

Your post does not contribute to discussion, but only to the rancor within our ranks. I hope you could find a more productive approach.

Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 10:27 PM

atheling on July 6, 2009 at 10:22 PM

I see you made a few new friends today? Just kidding.

I think you have a right to be mad. And I am still on your side since I can empathize a bit. Hopefully we can turn our sights on the real enemy but the GOP in some ways is its own worst enemy. They better see the light and stop the damaging and false insider leaks from anonymous sources. If they don’t they are doomed.

Geochelone on July 6, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Palin’s a lightweight buffoon. A quitter and a loser. Hopefully, she fades into oblivion, never to be heard from again, and all you pathetic Palin fanboys and fangirls are relegated to the caves of ignorance to which you belong.

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Cum ba ya, now hold hands and repeat after me.

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Yeah, well, you’re angry and deranged. Is that you, Ace?

RepubChica on July 6, 2009 at 9:56 PM

score!

unseen on July 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM

What really gets Ace smoking made enough to use all those words his mamma would not approve, is that Sara Palin will earn more from her next speaking engagement the Ace will earn in the remainder of his writing career. And She’s the dummy?

MikeA on July 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM

another layup and its a score!!!

unseen on July 6, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Sure, people are stupid and often don’t bother informing themselves, which should be their own shame, but they often wear it like a badge of honor.

Didn’t hear about the poll though.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 6:50 PM

Here’s the poll, very amusing. Video included:

http://neoconexpress.blogspot.com/2008/11/zogby-scientific-poll-obama-voters-as.html

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:34 PM

It is a move with risks and only time will reveal the wisdom of such a strategy.

highhopes on July 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM

Agreed. I am content for now to wait and see.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Then this really isn’t a discussion but rather you stating your opinion as fact.

We will have to agree to disagree.

csdeven on July 6, 2009 at 6:52 PM

My opinion has more weight than yours :-D

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:36 PM

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Why couldn’t your mother have been pro-abortion?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 9:58 PM

OOH S–i that was tight. LMAOFOF.

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 10:36 PM

score!

unseen on July 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Nope, nope nope… That was a goal, score is when ya hit one out of the park or put it through the uprights… That one definitely had a lot of net to it… ;p

doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Karl, I know how you feel. My kid is a little shit. I tell everyone I hope she grows up to be a nicer person, but with me as a parent, odds aren’t in her favor. I think it’s important to be realistic about her prospects. Everyone knows keeping it real has the most benefits.

TWG78 on July 6, 2009 at 10:37 PM

ooops. Forgot my /sarc tag. Sorry.

TWG78 on July 6, 2009 at 10:38 PM

What will she do when Chavez and dinnerjacket start insulting her kids on the foreign front while the dems and the media attack her on the domestic front?

If she cares for her kids and the country, she will certainly do the exact same thing she has done now. Namely resign from the position for the good of the country and her family.

csdeven on July 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Ah, they can’t touch the United States of Entertainment when it comes to filthy slurs.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:38 PM

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Why couldn’t your mother have been pro-abortion?

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 9:58 PM

OOH S–i that was tight. LMAOFOF.

LSUMama on July 6, 2009 at 10:36 PM

you know is is funny in a way but what makes heads explode is tell Obama supports that if Roev wade was the law of the land when Obama’s mom was with child there is a good chance Obama would not b ehere now. Sit back and watch their heads explode under the logic it is priceless. i do it to every liberal i see…

unseen on July 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Ah, dakine makes an appearance. I’ve noticed the comparative lack of lefty trolls in the last few days. At first I figured it was just the holiday weekend, but now I think Axelrod probably told them to lay low, stay out of it and let the wingnuts destroy themselves.

I much prefer uniting against lefties than duking it out with fellow conservatives.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 10:40 PM

you can call Hillary a quitter too
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 6:58 PM

This is so O/T but wtf happened to that woman?! She used to be someone. Now she’s like…a shade.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:41 PM

I much prefer uniting against lefties than duking it out with fellow conservatives.

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 10:40 PM

sadly it is getting hard to tell friend from foe anymore. i believe in citizen government and that makes me white trash to most of the left and I am finding in the last couple days most of the pundits on the right too.

unseen on July 6, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Palin’s a lightweight buffoon. A quitter and a loser. Hopefully, she fades into oblivion, never to be heard from again, and all you pathetic Palin fanboys and fangirls are relegated to the caves of ignorance to which you belong.

dakine on July 6, 2009 at 9:46 PM

Yep, you betcha! She’s a lightweight buffoon, and you sure wouldn’t want a lightweight buffoon dragging down conservatives now, would you? I’m sure you want what is best for us, and that’s why you’re gnashing your teeth.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM

This is so O/T but wtf happened to that woman?! She used to be someone. Now she’s like…a shade.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Obama. He played her like a fiddle. He offered her sec of state a role that hillary and bill thought would be a great face time role to kep her in the news. then Obama did a couple behind the scense things which the inside the baseball people knew and made the sec of state a non post. she now has no power is cornored and takes what obama gives her. If Hillary had half the balls Palin has she would do a Palin resign and fight Obama from the center.

unseen on July 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Talk about a looser that supporters still want to make a come back… Hill was even left at home when Obama visited Russia. Ain’t that a heck of a long way to fall for a SECSTATE?

MikeA on July 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM

What will she do when Chavez and dinnerjacket start insulting her kids on the foreign front while the dems and the media attack her on the domestic front?

csdeven on July 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Send a couple f-16’s to or a aircraft carrierr to have a little talk with them?

unseen on July 6, 2009 at 10:47 PM

I still find it amazing that so many people hate Sara Palin so much. But I will bet dollars to donuts that she would win some of this crowd over if she were to come out tomorrow as favoring gay marriage and abortion. She won’t but if she did about 95% of the Palin hate would evaporate. If she also said she had decided there is no God, Obama might get dragged out of iffice and put on a plane like his buddy in Honduras.

MikeA on July 6, 2009 at 10:52 PM

What will she do when Chavez and dinnerjacket start insulting her kids on the foreign front while the dems and the media attack her on the domestic front?

csdeven on July 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

Well, you’d sort of expect it from them, wouldn’t you? From your fellow citizens in the media who can rub the public’s nose in it 24/7, not so much.

ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Obama. He played her like a fiddle. He offered her sec of state a role that hillary and bill thought would be a great face time role to kep her in the news. then Obama did a couple behind the scense things which the inside the baseball people knew and made the sec of state a non post. she now has no power is cornored and takes what obama gives her. If Hillary had half the balls Palin has she would do a Palin resign and fight Obama from the center.

unseen on July 6, 2009 at 10:45 PM

I would have thought she’d have more influence in the Senate. Maybe that’s 20/20 hindsight, but SecState didn’t sound too cool to me, under that guy.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:55 PM

What will she do when Chavez and dinnerjacket start insulting her kids on the foreign front while the dems and the media attack her on the domestic front?

csdeven on July 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM

So does that mean people in this country can call Obama the n-word all the time now? After all Iran and Venezuela and Putin and Kim Jong Il could conceivably be just as bad.

ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 10:56 PM

I’m in no position to comment i’m a lifelong Lion’s fan,sad indeed.

heshtesh on July 6, 2009 at 10:57 PM

still find it amazing that so many people hate Sara Palin so much. But I will bet dollars to donuts that she would win some of this crowd over if she were to come out tomorrow as favoring gay marriage and abortion. She won’t but if she did about 95% of the Palin hate would evaporate. If she also said she had decided there is no God, Obama might get dragged out of iffice and put on a plane like his buddy in Honduras.

MikeA on July 6, 2009 at 10:52 PM

ROTFLMFAO! You’re too much! Yes, that would be a movie script!

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:57 PM

And should she resign, Hillary fans would be almost as bad as we are, yes yes!

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Oh, you guys are too much! Even you, dorkine.

disa on July 6, 2009 at 10:59 PM

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