Ace’s “special comment” on Palinistas
posted at 2:15 pm on July 6, 2009 by Karl
Edited only slightly, so there will be some profanity:
It’s this insane idea that if you want something to happen, you will also of course agree that it will happen, and if you don’t agree it will happen, obviously you don’t want it to happen.
In other words, if you’re cheering for one side, you must of course believe that side will win, and if you suggest our side won’t win, well, gee, you must be cheering against us.
It’s insane. I wanted the Giants to win against the Eagles in the playoffs, but I predicted they’d lose, because the Eagles had their number and they were coming apart at the seams. They did lose, for the reasons I guessed (I think). That did not mean I wasn’t “on their side,” I’ve been on the Giants’ side all my life.
But there is a mentality in the nutroots that if you dare to post a poll showing Republicans down and say “we’re in trouble, we need a game-changer,” well, that means you’re secretly rooting against our side.
And if you say that Fred Thompson isn’t catching on as hoped, well, you hate Fred Thomson.
And if you do not believe that Sarah Palin has some double-secret probation plan for the presidency, you must hate her too, and you’re rooting against her, and cheering for the other side.
This is fucking insane and it must stop. I will not be bullied by this ludicrous magical thinking brigade who insists that only Nice and Positive Words must be uttered or else one is contributing one’s Evil Energy to the Wrong Side.
It’s insane.
I disagree with you. I have tried to do so pleasantly but I am tired of the imputation of bad motive simply because I am more realistic and less prone to flights of hopeful fancy than you.
If you think I’m wrong, say so. I do not mind being called wrong. I do, however, greatly mind being called a traitor, of harboring a secret agenda I hide from you in order to advance the MSM’s interests, etc., and all the rest of this insane bullshit.
Someone can be wrong honestly, without the need of claiming he’s wrong dishonestly, wrong because he’s actively intending to subvert the cause (so he can of course get invited to these famous DC dinner parties, etc.)
Stop jumping to claim some one is not just wrong but actively malicious.
It’s insane. It’s fruit fucking loops. and it’s tiresome.
And I do think I am taking off the week. You guys only seem to want to talk about Sarah Palin and furthermore you only want to hear the same thing — she’s running, this is a great move, she’s now perfectly poised for the race, etc.
It’s nonsense. And I hardly need to blog about it, because you all seem to know the words to the song. So you don’t need me as part of the chorus. You can sing the same words well enough without me.
I am really tired of this relentless nonsense and occasional nastiness whenever someone is believed to have departed from the conservativey correct line.
To anticipate some of the responses that comments like this have already generated, for the purpose of this discussion, I really do not care what Ace wrote about Palin’s resignation, any more than I care about what Ed Morrissey wrote about it, any more than I care about the advice Jonah Goldberg was offering Palin before her announcement. I can disagree with any part or all of their opinions without irrationally jumping to the conclusion that they hate Palin, or have thrown in their lot with David Frum and Colin Powell.
Indeed, I can point out what I think are some of the flaws in Goldberg’s piece. He overstates how much Palin has been out of Alaska since the election, while understating the degree to which her profile these days has been dictated by David Letterman, Vanity Fair’s Todd Purdum, and disgruntled McCain campaign officials dragging her (and her daughters) into the spotlight. But consider some of the over-the-top reactions against Goldberg’s writing and person when the piece was linked here at HotAir (Obviously, not all of the critical comments were over-the-top, but if you read them all, you’ll find a fair number of them). To grasp how off-kilter some of the vitriol was, consider that Goldberg argued that Palin can match Romney’s ability to talk policy if she wants to, but Romney will never have Palin’s charisma. How that qualifies as heresy eludes me. The notion that Goldberg is somehow “blowing up the conservative movement” by stating his opinion also seems to impute to him influence far beyond that which he actually has (and I would say the same of Charles Krauthammer, let alone a handful of conservative bloggers).
As for her resignation, my analysis would be closer to that of Mark Halperin than Ace or Ed. But I can disagree with them on Palin’s future prospects while utterly agreeing with Ace’s comment about Palin’s most rabid supporters, who are probably doing her no favors. I suspect that some of the reasons the Left has a special loathing for Palin are the same reasons why some on the Right seem to have an absolutely blind love for her. Should she decide to run for president, the Left will likely enjoy the prospect of using her most devoted followers to highlight her most polarizing qualities.
Granted, the knee-jerk defense of Palin is also a product of the sheer volume and bile of the attacks on her from the Left. But the unfair attacks of the Left will not go away, so long as Palin remains in politics. Nor do those unfair attacks justify unfair attacks by Palin supporters against others on the Right who have supported Palin, or simply called the balls and strikes as they saw them. It is possible to be mistaken without being evil.
Finally, consider this from R. A. Mansour’s profile at Conservatives4Palin:
Make no mistake, the beating she took during the campaign was wounding. She’s not as confident as she once was. You can see it in the difference between her pre-campaign interviews and her post-campaign interviews. There’s a stuttering nervousness about her now. She’s trying to get back on her game.
That could be read more than one way. Presuming that Mansour did not intend to paint Palin as someone who can be beaten down by the likes of Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson, it suggests that Palin recognizes that she needs to raise her game to meet The Narrative likely to be built against her — should she seek a national leadership position. If so, Sarah Palin and Jonah Goldberg really are not all that far apart.
Addendum (Ed): Sarah Palin is not an issue. Sarah Palin is not a political principle. Sarah Palin is a politician. If her supporters demand no criticism of a politician, they risk turning Palin and her supporters into nothing more than a cult of personality, the kind we derided with Barack Obama. And it does our friends no favors if we see them going over a cliff and remain silent, or worse yet, cheer them to go faster.
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I’ll second that.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM
She’s not that old, and she doesn’t know everything.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:20 PM
So why did you forget that lesson now, in implying that you know Palin’s intentions (2010 2010 2010 2010) when you haven’t any more of a goddamned clue than any of us durned whippersnappers?
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM
On behalf of Madison, I’ll third that!
[hiding now]
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:21 PM
But what is the significance of a lot of Palin’s detracrors being men? Why did you point this out?
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:22 PM
*hauls out Lox*
I do my own promotions, buddeh.
I’ll fourth that!
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:22 PM
I wish more people would pay attention to this. Should Palin stay in office if it means bankrupting herself and her family in the process? Not to mention getting nothing done while spending 18 months fighting ethics complaints.
I hear what some of you are saying about honoring commitment, I really do. I just don’t see how it benefits her OR Alaskans for her to stay.
Missy on July 6, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Sure, we heard about those things on the blogosphere, but the only networks I saw pay an iota of attention to her various trips were CNN(minor blurb) and FOX(even smaller blurb).
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM
I will admit I don’t watch much TV anymore so not sure how much coverage they got on national TV. Yet they did get alot of coverage on the web and on Drudge. I do know that her trip to Albany got alot of play because of the amount of people she drew. and I do know that the infighting about the dinner got alot of play nationally
both of which she could have done without being gov of a state
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:23 PM
She said it was specifically “misogyny” coming from “conservative men”.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:23 PM
They have gone topsy-turvy with their latest parlour game
Some dress themselves in a martyr’s Crown of Thorns and battle Ghosts of Straw that are evermore lame
Ranting on and on about this Sarah Palin from night to morn
They seem to think that in this woman the Devil Herself had been reborn
But the jackanapes are always runnin’ round with empty blows
It’s unfortunate to note that concern for their fast deteriorating mental state just grows and grows
PercyB on July 6, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Thanks. Yes, how could I forget Newt. Do you think it has hindered him at all?
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Well, in all fairness I do think she will be stumping for candidates next year. Beyond that is the mystery.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 8:25 PM
(from instapundit.com)
If Palin were exactly what her critics believe she is — the distillation of every right-wing pathology, from anti-intellectualism to apocalyptic Christianity — then she wouldn’t be a terribly interesting figure. But this caricature has always missed the point of the Alaska governor’s appeal — one that extends well outside the Republican Party’s shrinking base.
In a recent Pew poll, 44 percent of Americans regarded Palin unfavorably. But slightly more had a favorable impression of her. That number included 46 percent of independents, and 48 percent of Americans without a college education.
That last statistic is a crucial one. Palin’s popularity has as much to do with class as it does with ideology. In this sense, she really is the perfect foil for Barack Obama. Our president represents the meritocratic ideal — that anyone, from any background, can grow up to attend Columbia and Harvard Law School and become a great American success story. But Sarah Palin represents the democratic ideal — that anyone can grow up to be a great success story without graduating from Columbia and Harvard. . . .
Here are lessons of the Sarah Palin experience, for any aspiring politician who shares her background and her sex. Your children will go through the tabloid wringer. Your religion will be mocked and misrepresented. Your political record will be distorted, to better parody your family and your faith. (And no, gentle reader, Palin did not insist on abstinence-only sex education, slash funds for special-needs children or inject creationism into public schools.)
Male commentators will attack you for parading your children. Female commentators will attack you for not staying home with them. You’ll be sneered at for how you talk and how many colleges you attended. You’ll endure gibes about your “slutty” looks and your “white trash concupiscence,” while a prominent female academic declares that your “greatest hypocrisy” is the “pretense” that you’re a woman. And eight months after the election, the professionals who pressed you into the service of a gimmicky, dreary, idea-free campaign will still be blaming you for their defeat.
All of this had something to do with ordinary partisan politics. But it had everything to do with Palin’s gender and her social class.
Sarah Palin is beloved by millions because her rise suggested, however temporarily, that the old American aphorism about how anyone can grow up to be president might actually be true.
But her unhappy sojourn on the national stage has had a different moral: Don’t even think about it.
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Well, honey, believe it or not, I didn’t have to read her mind to understand her decision. I read the transcript. I researched her situation regarding the ethics charges. I researched Alaskan law regarding the limits of what she can do about them. I researched the differences between what a private citizen can do, and what a public official can do in a situation like that.
Then, I contemplated what it would be like to make $250,000 a year with 3 kids at home, one being a special needs infant, mounting legal bills with no end in sight, constant sniping by the drive bys and the friendly fire from alleged friends, attacks on my children, loss of my savings and retirement because of the crash, increasing taxes because of the current administration, and what my future would hold if I stayed the course.
That requires some thinking beyond what the drive bys and lazy pundits try to force feed me.
Try it. You might find that you can think out of the box, then.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Thanks so much for that! It’s the funniest thing you’ve posted so far. I’m still having trouble typing, and my tummy hurts so bad that I first posted this in the wrong thread!
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:26 PM
And yet you can’t seem to shut up on this thread, even after claiming, with amazing arrogance and stupidity, that only those over 30 know anything.
At least you admit my superiority on some topics.
Says the person who’s entire point on this thread has been to knee-jerkingly attack anyone who says anything at all negative about Palin, even misconstruing comments in order to turn them into something nefarious to help yourself in some “quest” to “help” Palin and all women.
I’m not the only person you’re making sick.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM
No, but obviously you can, and they’re all conservatives with reservations about Palin’s decisions.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
I have no problem with “reservations” my problem is they started to shoot in the wrong direction. and yes I did see the battle front so I can say I was right. I am waiting for those that didn’t see it to say that they were wrong. will Ace, the thinskinned, Ed and Allah cowboy up and say they were wrong and that there was a plan for her resignation?
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM
I didn’t see where atheling used the word “misogyny” but I wouldn’t be surprised. This is a low and familiar tactic of Palin cultists which was was especailly in currency last August and September.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM
You’re welcome, chuckles.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Then go puke, dummy.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Thanks. Yes, how could I forget Newt. Do you think it has hindered him at all?
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Not the quitting part but the scandal part did.
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Because it’s there. You sort it out. I haven’t, yet.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Can’t help but to wonder… What have you brought to this thread? Anything of value, or are you simply here to stick your finger in the chest of as many as possible?
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 8:31 PM
It was in one of the other Palin posts…the one that got just over 2000 comments. Good luck searching.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Good point. How old is she anyway? I’m just going off of her idea that anyone under 30 is an idiot (apparently these next three years are going to be eye opening for me).
I get your point, and yet, I have a problem with the argument that her stepping down is good for the state if she intends to run for president.
If she does, then that sentiment will haunt her.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Lol.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:33 PM
1. I’m sick in bed with nothing to do right now.
2. I’m sick of the lies and distortion about Palin BY PURPORTED CONSERVATIVES.
3. I’m sick of ignorant people blathering with absolutely no facts to support their blather.
4. I’m Palin’s avenging angel (wink, wink) :)
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:33 PM
It would seem, to be more specific, rather more like this atheling’s “Float like a Butterfly, Sting like a Bee” is making you more along the lines of … … … dizzy.
Cheshire Cat on July 6, 2009 at 8:33 PM
But what is the significance of a lot of Palin’s detracrors being men? Why did you point this out?
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Because it’s there. You sort it out. I haven’t, yet.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:29 PM
simply the fact that men and women think differently. i don’t think men and women ar ethe same they have different live experiences and come out things from a different view. i am not about to call this sexism. It is simply that men are from mars and women are form venus ect. that said I think women understand the unspoken more than men. men are more literal and have trouble seeing gambits from the flank. IMO
Not sexism but difference in perspective
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Yes. Another point of agreement.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Sounds like Andrew Sullivan pontificating on Trig being an alien baby of Bristol or something.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:34 PM
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:33 PM
O.K., hope you get better soon.
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 8:34 PM
2010 2010 2010 2010 2010
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:35 PM
First rule of Holes…. when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
First rule of a$$holes…. when everyone calls you an a$$hole, you are an a$$hole.
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Will you admit you were wrong if it turns out there was no plan?
Are you turning into a five year old?
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM
I never said that anyone under 30 is an idiot. You might be but I never said so.
But if you saw the PEW News IQ poll results, you’ll find that those under 30 scored less than 30% correct. That’s idiocy in the classical sense.
And tell me, guess what age group voted overwhelmingly for Obama?
Hint: Begins with 3 …
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Then she’s really screwed. 25 years to wait before she knows jack s**t.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Physician, heal thyself.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Yes, she’s flooring me with “logic” and brilliance.
Should I tell you to go throw up, or do you actually find that distasteful?
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Are you aware that it is actually possible to disagree with people with out insulting them or picking a fight with them?
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Pardon me while I “dissemble”.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:40 PM
That’s what I’m wondering, myself. It seems that more women have come to these threads saying they get it, while a lot of men don’t, including the writers and pundits.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Not true. Idiot comes from the old Greek word idiotis meaning an ignorant person, usually someone ignorant of public affairs. Seeing as how this is a blog for political junkies virtually nobody here could be could be accused of idiocy in the classical sense.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Do me a favor. Go back to all the Palin threads and read every comment.
Let me know when you’re done.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:41 PM
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Will you admit you were wrong if it turns out there was no plan?
YES. I am man enough to admit I was wrong. God knows I have been worng at times in my life.
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:41 PM
I dont need to, I see how you are acting here.
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 8:42 PM
I said:
Then aengus said:
Now, who is misconstruing here?
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Do you need a dictionary, help with the English language, or just a memory refresher?
Someone who doesn’t know jack s***, is generally an idiot. Just an FYI, Ma’am.
So did black people. Are they all stupid too?
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:43 PM
It is my experience that the vast majority of men and women perceive, relate to and evaluate the world differently. And I am not referring to sexuality, but fundamental cognitive difference. Although this often results in miscommunication and frustration, I believe these differences are very beneficial. Of course, there are a of us who don’t fit that standard pattern.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:44 PM
You tell me. I think for them it was about race, which is kind of stupid.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Are you having a psychotic moment? Talking to yourself? Or did you just quote that wrong????
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Okay, let’s start with you calling the writers of this site “traitors”.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Oh come on. She’s doing a great job making Ed’s point.
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM
And of course you ignored the first half of my comment.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM
Now that would all depend on how much Gold is being struck.
Actually, the First rule of a$$holes is…. when you control the ball, no matter what they might say, all the others are the bigger a$$holes.
Murphy9 on July 6, 2009 at 8:46 PM
So is someone who “doesn’t know jack s**t” an idiot, or not?
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Let me offer Miao’s translation services. In athelingese, that means “no”.
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Why not. You ignored a crap load of mine.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Stop jumping to claim some one is
notjust wrongbut activelyandmaliciouskilling her political career.See? You drew first blood. You jumped to a conclusion that Palin is finished. How do you know what her plan is?
Politics As Usual….
TN Mom on July 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM
I think that’s my comment.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Mitt Romney quit on Massachusetts. Once his pathetic attempt to elect Republican state senators failed, he effectively quit the governorship. He revived himself slightly to get in bed with the corrupt liberal legislature to get a feather in his cap by passing a disastrous health care plan that is bankrupting the state. Mitt prettied up his quitting by having a lot of political PR types work his image so he looked like a leader. Sarah Palin could have finessed her decision with a lot of political PR but she’s no Mitt. Thank God for that.
wraithby on July 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Missy,
While I appreciate the strawman you set up about not wanting to bankrupt her family. It is a compelling argument. It isn’t the last word. If next we know Palin is pulling in millions from book deals and speaking engagement, it sorta puts a different light on leaving office early, wouldn’t you agree?
I’ve posted this repeatedly. At this point, I really don’t care what Sarah Palin the politician is doing. I’m interested on finding the man or woman who will have what it takes to fix Obama’s messes after the 2012 elections. It is very clear at this point that Palin is not that person. She can get there but she is definitely not ready for primetime anytime soon.
highhopes on July 6, 2009 at 8:47 PM
BTW, I’m doing what MadCon does.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Every time I read yours, my IQ drops a point. If I keep it up all night, I might be as dumb as Biden.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Bingo…. I had some pretty strong words for Ace, Ed, and AP on this subject. But to throw such vitriolic ad hominems… I respect all three of their opinions even when I strongly disagree with them. That was just beyond the pale…
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM
WTH? That’s a “strawman”? How can it be “compelling” then?
Makes no sense.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Sure. That’s what you’re doing.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM
thanks for cleaning up that translation to make it G rated.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:50 PM
ROTFLMAO… OK you win…
I kind of suspected that, thanks for the conformation… ;)
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Okay well what relevance does that poll have to do with MC and Esthier who, despite both being under 30, are clearly not ill-informed about public affairs? You like to throw things out *because they’re there* but you’re supposed to actually make a point.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Actually, dorian, MadCon says I “violently” attack, not with “vitriol”.
MadCon also claims that there are “plenty” of Republicans with charisma, not just Sarah Palin. I’m still waiting for him to tell us who they are.
Any ideas, MadCon?
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:51 PM
The basic difference between men and women is that a man is someone who learns more and more about less and less, and ultimately knows everything about nothing, whereas a woman is someone who learns less and less about more and more, and ultimately knows nothing about everything.
Tav on July 6, 2009 at 8:52 PM
What’s your point? And why the vitriol?
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:52 PM
What? I haven’t yet lied about my own statements, called the owners of this site traitors, ruled out the intelligence of someone based solely on their age, accused an entire gender segment of an ideology of hatred for the other gender, or referred to people as “crybabies” getting “beaten up” while simultaneously lamenting people calling me names after accusing the owners of this site of treason.
If you’re attempting to emulate me, you’re doing a poor job.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:53 PM
That word doesn’t mean what you seem to think it does.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Look, this is not youth soccer. Not everyone gets a trophy. Likewise, there’s no need to insulate every positive comment from any criticism of it. We should act like adults.
Part of what sets us apart from the loony left is the ability to be realistic, and disengage from cults of personality. And the hyperbolic reaction of a vocal minority has, in my opinion at least, started to stray into that category. It is what it is. Pretending it doesn’t exist doesn’t make it go away. There’s nothing wrong per-se with being a “cheerleader”, but it’s also unseemly to castigate with exceeding vitriol those who don’t show enough “school spirit” to meet a commenter’s personal standards.
I’m a huge Sarah fan, and I think it’s likely that this will be a net-positive move overall. Largely, this is because I take much of what she said in her presser literally, and thus interpret that she’s going to be attempting to make a real difference short-term from outside government.
That tells me that she’s most-likely strongly interested in trying to reverse the direction the country’s been going in since the most recent election… and thus, I conclude she’ll be working strongly on something along the lines of the Tea Party movement. To make a major impact, a meaningful dent needs to be made in the Democrat majorities in both the House and the Senate in 2010.
Note: to do that, the candidates need not actually be Republicans! They need only caucus with them on the relevant decisions. So to those thinking that a third-party solution is a non-starter, I think this might be an exception. It might not work for a presidential bid, but who says that running for President is the only useful thing she can do?
There’s not really enough time to do that effectively without “clearing the decks” via a resignation. The move frees her up from the bogus Alinsky tactics that are currently being used against her, and puts her assets to the best possible use for the country as a whole, IMO.
That being said, it carries a price in perceptions and labels. I think that she’s done the internal calculus, and decided that it’s better on balance to take that hit now, and be able to make more of a difference in the 2010 results. Am I certain of that? Of course not… it’s just a reasonable guess.
If my supposition is correct, and the maneuver works (defusing the power of the Dem machine short-term, and giving the country some breathing room before the radical agenda is fully implemented), I think voters will weigh that far more heavily than they would the fact that the governorship was relinquished before planned/expected. It’s a much bigger fish to fry.
Try going back and reading a transcript of her speech while keeping in mind what I’ve outlined here… I think the speech makes quite good sense when seen through this lens.
What better way to change people’s minds about her, away from the stereotypes that the MSM has propagated, then to do something utterly real and measurable, without the constraints that she now faces in the Governor’s seat?
After making that difference and changing minds, THEN is the time to start considering a Presidential run, either in 2012 or perhaps 2016.
VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 8:54 PM
:)
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM
I take it you’re single.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Depends on what you think “think” means.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Goldberg’s criticism was good, healthy opinion based on solid political instincts. Ed says Palin is dead politically. He may be right or wrong but its just a political opinion. But when we turn to the Frums, Powells and Chris Buckleys of the world we see hyper-criticism of a personal nature sprinkled with political opinion too.
Its becoming hard to separate the wheat from the chaff regarding Palin. I support Palin and hope she finds a course that will work politically in the future. I’m not rabid about her, but measured. However, I hate to see the way she has been so thoroughly trashed before she even gets a chance to get going.
JonPrichard on July 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM
That not all young people are idiots.
What vitriol? I haven’t said anything in bitterness.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM
You want to know what’s so f**king funny, Ed?
You insist on slamming Palin supporters whom you think cannot take criticism, only to admit that you posted Mary Matalin’s positive comments of Palin, only under duress from Palin supporters, who dogged you to do it……
And then you still have the f**king audacity to come off as fair!!??
This is unf**king-believable to me!!
Perhaps, if you even had a modem of fairness in action, rather than words, just words…. you could lead the way by example!!
You and Allah, are simply two peas in pod and I apologize for ever taking you, or this blog seriously!!
Mcguyver on July 6, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Yes. Slandering people as guilty of a major crime is something I would consider a violent attack, as opposed to a regular attack like “RINO Obama lover”.
I mentioned people like Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee, which you completely ignored. I mean, Fred Thompson apparently had enough charisma to get a number of roles on television and movies, and Huck landed his own show on Fox with his charisma.
Tell me, in the atheling dictionary, does charisma read “What Sarah Palin and nobody else in history has ever had”?
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:57 PM
I thought Goldberg’s criticism was full of vitriol and condescension. He demonstrated no respect for the office or for the governor.
He should have made it private.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:57 PM
You’re right. I likely don’t know your definition.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:58 PM
OmiG—- That’s the funniest thing I’ve read here tonight!
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Then feel free to get the f**k out, you whiny brat.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:59 PM
I thought you would see it my way.
Murphy9 on July 6, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Slander is spoken. Libel is written.
Libel is writing something false about someone, such as implying that the “other shoe will drop” because you heard rumors that a federal investigation is pending, which, after being disproved, is not retracted or updated.
That’s scandalous journalism, on par with the New York Slimes.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Frum was never a conservative to begin with, just pro-war. Accepting that anyone who is pro-war as conservative opened the floodgates to all sorts of barely reconstructed ex-Trotskyist creeps.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:59 PM
progressoverpeace has it right. By refusing to take a salary while she does electioneering she is better than most pols.
Not only Sarah and Obama campaigned to interrupt a extant term for the White House; so did Biden, and so did McCain. I have yet to hear anybody argue that McCain betrayed the voters of Arizona, though there is nothing in his oath of office to specify that he serves until something better comes along.
Palin isn’t perfect. She’s a washout on amnesty (I’m reminded of LBJ’s sneer at McGovern’s “courage” on civil rights) But from what I see, she’s a lot better, and more eager, and having–to date–more fun, than a lot of Republicans.
Chris_Balsz on July 6, 2009 at 8:59 PM
I can fix Obama’s messess: Cut Taxes, Cut Spending, Cut the deficit, Demand accountability of Congress, and shoot a hard line to those who wish us harm..
TN Mom on July 6, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Why do you laugh with such vitriol?
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Are you having a psychotic moment? Talking to yourself? Or did you just quote that wrong????
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 8:44 PM
LOL no just responding to a post wher ei didn’t link the name of the poster….
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM
I love you. Can I buy you a cup of coffee?
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM
So, what exactly is your point??? This is MadisonConservative’s personal opinion, and it it a valid opinion and concern. Not one that I share, but as an opinion quite valid.
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Based on that, I’d vote for you.
Now, watch for the vitriol from some of these victims here.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM
The post from aengus, while disagreeing with and challenging you, was entirely calm, rational, and civil toward you. Yet you cunningly attempt to stigmatize aengus as somwone whop uses vitriol.
Liar. Your deceptions will not work here.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 9:02 PM
There was no vitriol in the Goldberg article. If it came off as condescending then its probably because he felt the need to tip-toe around the Governor and sprinkle the piece with compliments so as not to offend her more sensitive votaries. As the hate mail proves, that outcome was unavoidable.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 9:02 PM
Feel free to shut up.
Mcguyver on July 6, 2009 at 9:03 PM
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