Ace’s “special comment” on Palinistas
posted at 2:15 pm on July 6, 2009 by Karl
Edited only slightly, so there will be some profanity:
It’s this insane idea that if you want something to happen, you will also of course agree that it will happen, and if you don’t agree it will happen, obviously you don’t want it to happen.
In other words, if you’re cheering for one side, you must of course believe that side will win, and if you suggest our side won’t win, well, gee, you must be cheering against us.
It’s insane. I wanted the Giants to win against the Eagles in the playoffs, but I predicted they’d lose, because the Eagles had their number and they were coming apart at the seams. They did lose, for the reasons I guessed (I think). That did not mean I wasn’t “on their side,” I’ve been on the Giants’ side all my life.
But there is a mentality in the nutroots that if you dare to post a poll showing Republicans down and say “we’re in trouble, we need a game-changer,” well, that means you’re secretly rooting against our side.
And if you say that Fred Thompson isn’t catching on as hoped, well, you hate Fred Thomson.
And if you do not believe that Sarah Palin has some double-secret probation plan for the presidency, you must hate her too, and you’re rooting against her, and cheering for the other side.
This is fucking insane and it must stop. I will not be bullied by this ludicrous magical thinking brigade who insists that only Nice and Positive Words must be uttered or else one is contributing one’s Evil Energy to the Wrong Side.
It’s insane.
I disagree with you. I have tried to do so pleasantly but I am tired of the imputation of bad motive simply because I am more realistic and less prone to flights of hopeful fancy than you.
If you think I’m wrong, say so. I do not mind being called wrong. I do, however, greatly mind being called a traitor, of harboring a secret agenda I hide from you in order to advance the MSM’s interests, etc., and all the rest of this insane bullshit.
Someone can be wrong honestly, without the need of claiming he’s wrong dishonestly, wrong because he’s actively intending to subvert the cause (so he can of course get invited to these famous DC dinner parties, etc.)
Stop jumping to claim some one is not just wrong but actively malicious.
It’s insane. It’s fruit fucking loops. and it’s tiresome.
And I do think I am taking off the week. You guys only seem to want to talk about Sarah Palin and furthermore you only want to hear the same thing — she’s running, this is a great move, she’s now perfectly poised for the race, etc.
It’s nonsense. And I hardly need to blog about it, because you all seem to know the words to the song. So you don’t need me as part of the chorus. You can sing the same words well enough without me.
I am really tired of this relentless nonsense and occasional nastiness whenever someone is believed to have departed from the conservativey correct line.
To anticipate some of the responses that comments like this have already generated, for the purpose of this discussion, I really do not care what Ace wrote about Palin’s resignation, any more than I care about what Ed Morrissey wrote about it, any more than I care about the advice Jonah Goldberg was offering Palin before her announcement. I can disagree with any part or all of their opinions without irrationally jumping to the conclusion that they hate Palin, or have thrown in their lot with David Frum and Colin Powell.
Indeed, I can point out what I think are some of the flaws in Goldberg’s piece. He overstates how much Palin has been out of Alaska since the election, while understating the degree to which her profile these days has been dictated by David Letterman, Vanity Fair’s Todd Purdum, and disgruntled McCain campaign officials dragging her (and her daughters) into the spotlight. But consider some of the over-the-top reactions against Goldberg’s writing and person when the piece was linked here at HotAir (Obviously, not all of the critical comments were over-the-top, but if you read them all, you’ll find a fair number of them). To grasp how off-kilter some of the vitriol was, consider that Goldberg argued that Palin can match Romney’s ability to talk policy if she wants to, but Romney will never have Palin’s charisma. How that qualifies as heresy eludes me. The notion that Goldberg is somehow “blowing up the conservative movement” by stating his opinion also seems to impute to him influence far beyond that which he actually has (and I would say the same of Charles Krauthammer, let alone a handful of conservative bloggers).
As for her resignation, my analysis would be closer to that of Mark Halperin than Ace or Ed. But I can disagree with them on Palin’s future prospects while utterly agreeing with Ace’s comment about Palin’s most rabid supporters, who are probably doing her no favors. I suspect that some of the reasons the Left has a special loathing for Palin are the same reasons why some on the Right seem to have an absolutely blind love for her. Should she decide to run for president, the Left will likely enjoy the prospect of using her most devoted followers to highlight her most polarizing qualities.
Granted, the knee-jerk defense of Palin is also a product of the sheer volume and bile of the attacks on her from the Left. But the unfair attacks of the Left will not go away, so long as Palin remains in politics. Nor do those unfair attacks justify unfair attacks by Palin supporters against others on the Right who have supported Palin, or simply called the balls and strikes as they saw them. It is possible to be mistaken without being evil.
Finally, consider this from R. A. Mansour’s profile at Conservatives4Palin:
Make no mistake, the beating she took during the campaign was wounding. She’s not as confident as she once was. You can see it in the difference between her pre-campaign interviews and her post-campaign interviews. There’s a stuttering nervousness about her now. She’s trying to get back on her game.
That could be read more than one way. Presuming that Mansour did not intend to paint Palin as someone who can be beaten down by the likes of Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson, it suggests that Palin recognizes that she needs to raise her game to meet The Narrative likely to be built against her — should she seek a national leadership position. If so, Sarah Palin and Jonah Goldberg really are not all that far apart.
Addendum (Ed): Sarah Palin is not an issue. Sarah Palin is not a political principle. Sarah Palin is a politician. If her supporters demand no criticism of a politician, they risk turning Palin and her supporters into nothing more than a cult of personality, the kind we derided with Barack Obama. And it does our friends no favors if we see them going over a cliff and remain silent, or worse yet, cheer them to go faster.
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Heh. Whats not to love? ;-)
csdeven on July 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Please refer to the formatting guide.
O*B*N*O*X*I*O*U*S
This is how it is done.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Believe it or now, there ARE conservatives who don’t want Sarah Palin running for the white house. I’m one of them, and like Ace, I don’t particularly enjoy being labelled a traitor because of it.
You-Eh-Vee on July 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM
And the conservatives that do want her to run don’t particulaeryl like beinf refered to cultists, stupid, white trash etc. As another poster stated. cowboy up man. ace in the last 2 days has destroyed his reputation has a hardnosed fighter and instead as become a laughinstock of He of the thinnedskin to a large portion of the conservative base.
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 7:05 PM
particulaeryl like beinfparticularly like being. dam fingers too fast for mind…
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Yup. That is how obnoxious is done.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Pardon, I have erred.
This “green room” thing is really a sandbox.
Have fun, kiddies.
Don’t forget to get mommy to change your pampers.
And YES – to the poster who suggested if I disagree with a blogger that I stop visiting the website – that is a distinct possibility, as with “Little Green Footballs.”
HOT AIR should take note.
Lockstein13 on July 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM
which is how her detractors will frame it, she will to have appeared to quit because she couldn’t be effective, and they will claim that she would behave the same way in her next elected office.
csdeven on July 6, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Agreed she is held to a different stanard. and if there was not example after example of other politicians quitting their post to take higher office I would be more worried at the charge as it is. We have Obama, biden, Clinton, huntsman, the new director of homeland security (not sure how to spell her name) etc all that can rightly have the label of quitter next to their name. So in all it would be a wash in 16 or 18 months or even if Palin makes a big splash in the next couple of months.
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 7:10 PM
That phenomena is one of the greatest threats to American democracy. Seriously. Millions of people watch SNL, Jon Stewart and Colbert for information and consider themselves not just informed but highly knowledgeable and politically shrewd.
Unfortunately, I know several such people. They have not the merest hint of a clue how ignorant and dumb they really are. Part of the technique of those shows is to flatter the audience and convince them that they’re wayyy above average because they’re “on the inside” and extra clever just because they watch a snarky TV show.
Django on July 6, 2009 at 7:11 PM
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:12 PM
There is a big difference between the large number of people who support Governor Palin, and the small number of people who cannot tolerate any criticism of the Governor and slander or bully anyone who does offer criticism in an apparent attempt to suppress dissent. Unfortunately, the intolerant are often the most vocal.
I am all in favor of Palin supporters, and I hope you can reign in those throwing bombs in her name.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM
MC, if you want an example of obnoxious, please re-read some of your more recent posts.
Grow up and respond cogently to a post…or…is that not “your style” here in the green room?
Loxodonta, “throwing bombs” in which direction? I don’t think of it as “throwing bombs” to ask for all to take a wait-and-see approach (unless someone found an accurate ouija board), until she expresses her intent/reasons. I DO take it as “throwing bombs” for so-called “conservative” pundits to in effect write off her career based on this move.
Lockstein13 on July 6, 2009 at 7:18 PM
The GOP dregs are certainly in a tizzy. Their idiot leader has cut and run. Thankfully, she spent 6 years working towards that BA in Communications. And she plays the flute! A true hero of the right.
simplesimon on July 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Sure glad there are pundits. You know, the people who did not anticipate her actions, nevertheless, know why she did it and the consequences that she will have to face for such a choice. It never ceases to amaze me how we think we know how people should act and what they should be doing irregardless of the fact that they have accomplished considerable more in their life than we arm chair quarterbacks and lo and behold they did it without our initial wisdom and input. The audacity! Maybe if we convince enough arm chair pundits to think the same way she will hear the chorus of our wisdom, and listen to us, and finally be successful. Sorry boys and girls, but, we really have become an arrogant lot.
wtng2fish on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM
You goopers even throw other goopers under the bus if they dare to critique Queen Sarah the Almighty. You are more cultish than Obama supporters, you just won’t admit it. Goopers eat their young, Democrats just sit back with their popcorn and take it all in. But please, convince Queen Sarah to run in 2012. The late nite comics will have a field day.
athensboy on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Ace wont go on vacation, he sees this as a chance to cash in. He needs us more than we need him.
WoosterOh on July 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Put the crack pipe down Frank, and run, do not back slowly away from it… Run quickly away from it.
doriangrey on July 6, 2009 at 7:24 PM
You seem fixated on the Green Room. Why not make your own blog to show what a sandbox this is? You could call it “To bold and italicize what no sane person would have formatted before!”
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Dude! Those were the assigned non sequitir ad hominems from Sunday. Today’s proscribed gems include: “Willow’s a drunk” and “Trig’s a queer!” Please consult your manual.
Django on July 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
You goopers even throw other goopers under the bus if they dare to critique Queen Sarah the Almighty. You are more cultish than Obama supporters, you just won’t admit it. Goopers eat their young, Democrats just sit back with their popcorn and take it all in. But please, convince Queen Sarah to run in 2012. The late nite comics will have a field day.
athensboy on July 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Dude, you really have perfected the art of selective logic! Only the foolish are fooled by your cultist claims.
Here’s wishing you a renewed desire to strive for honesty.
wtng2fish on July 6, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Wow, them’s some big words there, race fan! Impressive!
simplesimon on July 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Did you have a comment about that, or do you simply resent anyone who doesn’t think her leaving her elected office is going to make her even more of a star?
Oh, that’s right. I’m a mere beetle-brained plebian of 27. I’ll have to wait three years before my magical intelligence package is shipped to me in the mail…
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM
It is accurate when they post innuendo that Palin is subject to a federal investigation based on a crazed libturd’s allegation as fact, which has been disproved and they have yet to update that innuendo or retract it.
That’s traitorous. And dishonest.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I am all in favor of Palin supporters, and I hope you can reign in those throwing bombs in her name.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 7:13 PM
IMO it looks like a case of escalating warfare. Palin supporters did not start the bomb throwing but if the otherside is going to bring out the knives we will bring out the guns etc. human nature I guess. And how to get people to stop fighting after the hounds of war have been unleashed? diplomats have been asking that for years. We are not at war within the republician party and it will not stop until we have a leader of the party. sadly enough
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 7:42 PM
C’mon, dude. You’re slipping. There must be something involving the word “chillbilly” or “repugnican” that could help you get back in stride. The team can’t afford to lose a valuable mind like yours.
Django on July 6, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Sorry, but the intelligence thing isn’t going to change for you.
You might do some growing up, and learn not to spout ignorance from your mouth before knowing any facts.
It comes with age.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Says the person who violently insults anyone who makes a prediction she does not agree with, which implies that she claims to know what will happen, despite having no evidence herself.
I notice you ignored my question about Jason Mattera and Ted Kennedy. Hell, Meghan McCain (dunce though she is) and Harry Reid. Come on, tell me how age means a goddamned thing other than that you haven’t died yet.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM
It’s easy to get lazy. The party of Reagan and David Duke are their own worst enemies. In the last 3 weeks you have the philandering “Promise-Keeper” in Nevada, the friend of the Lord and the troops in SC and then Caribou Barbie.
Who will it be this week???
simplesimon on July 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Someone has to face the descending darkness
Rush in, you have to rally and win Sarah
When the sheep of the world are saying not to
By God, you know you’ve got to march on, Sarah
Never hold back your step for a moment
Never doubt that your courage will grow
Hold your head ever higher and against the tyrants you go!
Onward, ho!
PercyB on July 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM
*hands you a tissue*
Now, now, is that nose still bleeding, little boy? Need a steak for that black eye, whiner?
Got beat up by a couple of girls, didn’t you, crybaby?
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM
The authors in the green room are not on the payroll, give freely of themselves for the sole purpose of getting information out there. Information that the State Run Media refuses to report. The only prize is to expand a reader base for the author if the author has his/her own blog. Speaking for myself (former author), my only motive for spending hours of my time posting articles in the GR, was to spread information that I felt important to people, and then let people do what ever they felt necessary with such information. I asked to be removed from the author’s list simply because I was such a rank amateur at blogging I feared I would get hotair in some kind of legal trouble.
The authors in the greenroom spend hours of their time for a good cause.
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Another one of your fans:
Looks like you’re employing a winning strategy for Obama and the Hot Air trolls are loving it. But you’re the one who knows who the real traitors are.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Does Joe Biden give you lessons on foot-eating?
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM
So does senility. You’re doing yourself no favors.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Careful now, the boot might just hit you in your backside.
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM
David Duke was a Democrat and a Republican before becoming an insane fringe figure.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM
So I see you think there’s nothing wrong with printing false innuendo about someone and failing to retract or update it in good faith.
Sounds like you’re the one with the “winning strategy” by emulating the libturds and the drive bys.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Are there mountains that surround you?
Are there walls that block the way?
Knock ‘em down, strip ‘em back Sarah
And forward and into the fray
Into terror, into valour
Charge ahead, no, never turn
Yes, it’s into the fire you fly
And the tyrant Obama will burn
PercyB on July 6, 2009 at 7:52 PM
2010 2010 2010 2010 2010
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM
No, difference being that those others didn’t have $500k in legal bills on a $300k salary, or their kids (including a special-needs youngster) made the butt of jokes by an institutionalized Hate Machine. Big differences there. Let those who have suffered the same first apply the “Quitter” label.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM
You were saying?
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Maybe that was in part a result of being blindsided by Mark Sanford very recently. Is so it is a little bit understandable, if not admirable.
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Yeah…let’s see next year who’s more in demand to stump for candidates. Heck, Palin will be more in demand than Obama.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM
It’s easy to get lazy. The party of Reagan and David Duke are their own worst enemies. In the last 3 weeks you have the philandering “Promise-Keeper” in Nevada, the friend of the Lord and the troops in SC and then Caribou Barbie.
Who will it be this week???
simplesimon on July 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM
It’s sort of like nitwit liberal scrabble. “Caribou Barbie!…AIPAC!…Gitmo!…Reagan!….”
I picture a bunch of liberals sitting in a room listening to megaphones of this stuff, being programmed like parrots. “Bushitler!…Cheney!>>>>”
Django on July 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM
I believe L. Ron Hubbard taught of the power of repetition to resist the words of the non-believers.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM
For what? Criticizing the poor editorializing here? Is HotAir now Pravda?
I haven’t called anyone more than a traitor, yet I have been called a myriad of names like, “loon”, “tin foil hat” wearer, “cultist”, etc…
And you caution me? Is the good ole boy network threatening the girls now?
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Very well stated! Easy to talk crap unless the individual hasn’t walked in those shoes.
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 7:56 PM
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Not my decision to make, or you would have already been pegged a worthless troll. I’m just an ordinary commenter.
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 7:57 PM
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 7:57 PM
In atheling’s little world everything is empty nonsense. Nothing is what it is because everything is what it isn’t. And contrary-wise; what it is, it isn’t, and what it isn’t, it is. You see?
Cheshire Cat on July 6, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Then why did you make that warning?
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Well, we’ll always have Mitt to get out there and whip up the crowds.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Difference being, all those people waited until they had another job first.
Palin quit long before she’d even need to campaign.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 5:59 PM
and you are assuming she has no job lined up? why? she stated clearly she was moving on to a “higher calling” sounds like a job too me. Is is an appointed job form on high? no but sounds like a job. But go ahead and continue to hold her to different standard. Like you all have since last Oct
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM
teele: Palin ‘Will Be Helpful’ in ‘09 Gov’s Races
Monday, July 6, 2009 3:33 PM
By: Dave Eberhart Article Font Size
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said this week that he plans to ask Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for her help in the gubernatorial races in New Jersey and Virginia, according to a report by ABC News.
The GOP gubernatorial candidates are Bob McDonnell in Virginia and Chris Christie in New Jersey.
“I plan on talking to Gov. Palin very soon,” Steele said. “She is an important and galvanizing voice in the Republican Party. I believe she will be very helpful to the party this year as we wage critical campaigns in Virginia and New Jersey.
“I am certain this has been a difficult decision for her to step down as Alaska’s governor. She has been a good governor for her state and I wish her and the Palin family the best during this transition,” Steele concluded.
Palin’s abrupt resignation as Alaska’s governor still has her party’s leaders scratching their heads.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., issued a statement saying he had “the greatest respect and affection” for his former running mate, and was hopeful that “she will continue to play an important leadership role in the Republican Party,” according to USA Today.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/michael_steele_gop/2009/07/06/232441.html?s=al&promo_code=82D8-1
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Well you are a crybaby. In another thread they’ve been teasing you and calling you a “martyr” and “victim” because of your incessant whining about being mocked for making stupid, reactionary statements about Palin like this one:
If the shoe fits…
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Like the Boxer-Feinstein-Speaker Pelosi “good ole boy” network here in California? You have issues.
Django on July 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Cause I felt like it.. Been around these parts for some years now atheling; how bout you…
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 8:01 PM
I’ve never heard Governor Palin throw out a single condescending or vile insult at anybody. She is an accomplished woman with good manners. Unlike you.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:01 PM
ROFL…there’s something hilarious about that. I know Steele’s always been fairly pro-Palin, but gosh. Someone who’s poison is going to be in awfully great demand next year.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 8:02 PM
He’s a real Control Freak Man
Ruling in this hostage held land
Making all his controlling plans
For everybody
Doesn’t listen to an opposing point of view
Control freak man, ruling all he thinks is his purview
Control Freak Man, he had better listen
He don’t know with what he’s messing
Knows already just what he wants to do
Doesn’t he seem a lot like Hitler and Mussolini to you?
He’s a real Control Freak Man
Ruling in this hostage held land
Making all his controlling plans
For everybody
He’s as blinded by his lust for power as he can be
Just sees what he wants to see
He’s got such a God complex point of call
Control Freak Man can you even see America at all?
Knows already just what he wants to do
Doesn’t he seem a lot like Hitler and Mussolini to you?
He’s a real Control Freak Man
Ruling in this hostage held land
Making all his controlling plans
For everybody
About Control Freak Man we should all worry
To destroy all America built he is in a hurry
If he controls everything his Mussolini way
It will be a forlorn day
Hes going to leave it all a mess
Anyone of sound mind must confess
He’s a real Control Freak Man
Ruling in this hostage held land
Making all his controlling plans
For everybody
MB4 on July 6, 2009 at 8:02 PM
So that is stupid and reactionary. This, however…
…is completely calm and rational.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM
I wonder if Palin comes out to say that her decision is risky, if atheling will call her a traitor?
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM
Yeah, but wouldn’t serving as governor of Alaska also make her fade? LOL
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Yup, I do. Same as Sarah, who also mentioned the “good ole boys” she had to contend with in Alaska (see her RNC Convention speech).
So far, the pooh poohers have been mostly men here. I bet if we took a poll, we’d see a camp divided between men and women regarding her decision to resign. I’m not saying that there are no men who understand her resignation, or that there aren’t women who don’t understand, but I’m seeing a pattern here, that the majority of those who refuse to comprehend the reasoning for her resignation are men. Look at the pundits, too. The man have been slamming her no end – CONSERVATIVE men – that is.
Hell, even liberal feminists are defending her, and can understand her reasoning.
There is an issue.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM
She was raising money and would have continued to do so. As to her children, are you under the impression that they’d have been spared if she’d become our VP?
And since when do you have to walk in a person’s shoes before being able to judge their actions? Have you walked in Obama’s shoes? Isn’t this the argument pro-choicers use about abortion?
But I’m not even calling her a quitter. Only acknowledging the fact that she quit her position.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Going to be fun to watch Sarah as we travel on from here. The FBI in Alaska confirmed earlier today, that there are NO investigations of any kind taking place regarding Sarah Palin, and that rumors of a possible scandal are completely false.
This dummy of a person is going to take a lot of people to school very soon.
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 8:06 PM
There you go again. Dissembling.
It was risky. What I object to is those who, in a kneejerk, unthinking fashion, said she was finished. You know, like the one said here:
That is one of the most historically ignorant comments I’ve read so far. It belongs in the hall of shame.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:06 PM
ROFL…there’s something hilarious about that. I know Steele’s always been fairly pro-Palin, but gosh. Someone who’s poison is going to be in awfully great demand next year.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 8:02 PM
And the battle front starts to take shape…..ROFLMAO Man remind me never to go into battle behind Ed, Allah and ACe they probably wouldn’t even be able to locate the enemy
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM
Fair enough, and you are saying to a degree quite what I had expressed earlier, to whit:
these guys are not just basement losers whom nobody reads…they do have influence.
Does that influence become anything but destructive speculation (ever see that kind of Eat-Your-Own stuff by the Left…on the Left?!) by flamethrowing onto a notable (i.e. potential 2012/6 candidate) Conservative?
Lockstein13 on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM
You don’t even know who you’re talking to. “You all have”? Some of you are so stuck in victim mode that you can see reason.
A job is something more tangible than a “calling”. Let’s not pretend otherwise just cause it benefits Palin.
I agree. I don’t think she’d want to be “supported” by someone like that.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM
Maybe my memory is faulty, but I can’t think of anyone who quit a high-level office midterm before they had been elected to or asked to take on another. None of the examples you offer did so. Do you have any that actually did?
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Marl Levin is in her cornor
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Why? Probably the only thing that brought her momentarily back into the spotlight in the last few months other than some buck-toothed loser on CBS was her response to the stimulus package when she initially refused the cash. With cap-and-trade, she was sure to be a loud voice when it approached the Senate.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM
*mark
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM
You’re seeing things that aren’t there. The overwhelming majority of “feminists” (who are almost exclusively liberal, by the way) have either said nothing in Palin’s defense over the last year or they’ve been insanely vile in their trashing of her.
This is class based, culture based thing. However, if you’re determined to make it all about “men bad” then I’m sure you will.
Django on July 6, 2009 at 8:10 PM
She would have been spared the phony ethics charges, which would have outpaced her ability to raise money….the raising of which would have led to even more ethics charges, and on and on ad infinitum.
As for her kids, yeah, you’d think they might lay off a Down syndrome child and a 14-year-old girl after she had been elected, but who knows.
You don’t have to do anything at all in order to judge. But it sometimes makes judging a little more clear-headed when you do use a little imagination.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Hmmmmm… Too much nuance.
Loxodonta on July 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
I’ve repeated, along with several other people here, that her money raising is limited to $150.00 per person. Can you do math? How many people would have to donate to pay the $500,000 bill?
Next, once again, let me repeat myself, so you can understand this: The ethics charges would have continued while she remained in office, mounting to well over two million dollars in the 1.5 years left of her term.
Can you do the math?
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
No, but obviously you can, and they’re all conservatives with reservations about Palin’s decisions.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
No, they are “conservatives” who are IGNORANT of Palin’s decisions.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Why? Probably the only thing that brought her momentarily back into the spotlight in the last few months other than some buck-toothed loser on CBS was her response to the stimulus package when she initially refused the cash. With cap-and-trade, she was sure to be a loud voice when it approached the Senate.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM
That na dher pipeline deal and letterman and her trip to albany, and her trip to Kosovo. yes she had some positives as GOv but IMO her negatives outweight those psitives.
she was the cornored and taken fire. She choose to lived the gate and sally out onto the attack
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:12 PM
But of course you’re not. You know everything, cause you’re old and we’re not.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 8:12 PM
On the other hand, not even Nixon received the kind of full-court-press trashing that Palin has received from Dems, the media, and many in her own party. And for what? It’s pretty much unprecedented in American politics.
Django on July 6, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Why do you suppose that is?
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:14 PM
Maybe my memory is faulty, but I can’t think of anyone who quit a high-level office midterm before they had been elected to or asked to take on another. None of the examples you offer did so. Do you have any that actually did?
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:09 PM
NEWT.
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:14 PM
I never said that men are “bad”. Some men are. Some women are too.
You obviously don’t read some of the other side’s POV. A lot of Hillary supporters are sympathetic to Palin, even though they disagree with her policies. Why do you think Sarah wore so much orange during the campaign? Did you notice that NOW even shamed Letterman for his disgusting “joke”, and that Hillbuzz is still campaigning to bring Letterman down?
You guys aren’t helping here. Indeed, you are hindering the war effot.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Nuance? Why it sounds like uncommon nonsense to me.
Cheshire Cat on July 6, 2009 at 8:15 PM
So far, the pooh poohers have been mostly men here. I bet if we took a poll, we’d see a camp divided between men and women regarding her decision to resign. I’m not saying that there are no men who understand her resignation, or that there aren’t women who don’t understand, but I’m seeing a pattern here, that the majority of those who refuse to comprehend the reasoning for her resignation are men. Look at the pundits, too. The man have been slamming her no end – CONSERVATIVE men – that is.
Why do you suppose that is?
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 8:14 PM
I am a man and have no problem with strong independent women. In fact they make the best lovers IMO
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Hm. I don’t see the word “finished” anywhere in my quote. I see the word “fade”. I didn’t see a degree specified, whether it would be entirely, a little bit, or anywhere in-between.
Do go on. I’m enjoying you continually tasting your toes. Tell me more about “dissembling” and “strawman” while you outright lie about what I’ve said, even while including the very quote in your posts.
If all you are is a bitter woman with a belief that conservative men are mysogynistic who also can’t read, stop responding to my posts. After all, I thought you didn’t know why you were talking to a mere 27 (still 26 until September, actually) year old babe in the woods. Excuse me while I wander down to the 7-11 to listen to the 38-year-old register jockey enlighten my tabula rasa with his ever-so-scintillating opinions on why drug laws are, and I quote, “just totally f**ked up, man!”
Thank heaven for my elders.
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:15 PM
No Real American could be a fan of a team that has a picture of John Kerry on their helmet (did you know that he served in Viet Nam?)
VekTor on July 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM
You are more than a little presumptuous if you think you speak for “the girls” here.
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:16 PM
Yeah, how’s Newt going to run in 2012 now? Wasn’t he a quitter?
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Lockstein13 on July 6, 2009 at 8:08 PM
The GR has eyes watching. Obviously with at site as large as hotair, a certain influential power exists. Like most things in life, a person has to pick and choose, take what you will and leave the rest. The only point I was trying to make is simply that the authors in the GR are not paid, and spend countless hours researching and developing stories before they ever hit the “post” button. These men/woman are deserving of our gratitude for their efforts.
Take what you will from them, and leave what you don’t like behind. That’s all I’m saying.
Keemo on July 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Happy hour start already? ;)
Sure, we heard about those things on the blogosphere, but the only networks I saw pay an iota of attention to her various trips were CNN(minor blurb) and FOX(even smaller blurb).
MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Unlike you, we don’t claim to be able to read her mind.
ProfessorMiao on July 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Well, yeah, her kids were more inviting fodder for sure.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Um no, I’ve just learned to keep my mouth shut when I know nothing of the subject, a habit that would well serve you too.
You’ve demonstrated remarkable ignorance in almost every comment (well, almost every one that is related to the topic and not about boozing or sex), and an astonishing level of an inability to reason or think deeply.
But thanks for trying.
atheling on July 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Yeah, how’s Newt going to run in 2012 now? Wasn’t he a quitter?
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM
different standard you know…different standard. Newt has the added benefit of resigning under scandal. yet for some reason he was the one the NRSC/NRCC invited to thier keynote speaker. different standards
unseen on July 6, 2009 at 8:19 PM
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