Ace’s “special comment” on Palinistas
posted at 2:15 pm on July 6, 2009 by Karl
Edited only slightly, so there will be some profanity:
It’s this insane idea that if you want something to happen, you will also of course agree that it will happen, and if you don’t agree it will happen, obviously you don’t want it to happen.
In other words, if you’re cheering for one side, you must of course believe that side will win, and if you suggest our side won’t win, well, gee, you must be cheering against us.
It’s insane. I wanted the Giants to win against the Eagles in the playoffs, but I predicted they’d lose, because the Eagles had their number and they were coming apart at the seams. They did lose, for the reasons I guessed (I think). That did not mean I wasn’t “on their side,” I’ve been on the Giants’ side all my life.
But there is a mentality in the nutroots that if you dare to post a poll showing Republicans down and say “we’re in trouble, we need a game-changer,” well, that means you’re secretly rooting against our side.
And if you say that Fred Thompson isn’t catching on as hoped, well, you hate Fred Thomson.
And if you do not believe that Sarah Palin has some double-secret probation plan for the presidency, you must hate her too, and you’re rooting against her, and cheering for the other side.
This is fucking insane and it must stop. I will not be bullied by this ludicrous magical thinking brigade who insists that only Nice and Positive Words must be uttered or else one is contributing one’s Evil Energy to the Wrong Side.
It’s insane.
I disagree with you. I have tried to do so pleasantly but I am tired of the imputation of bad motive simply because I am more realistic and less prone to flights of hopeful fancy than you.
If you think I’m wrong, say so. I do not mind being called wrong. I do, however, greatly mind being called a traitor, of harboring a secret agenda I hide from you in order to advance the MSM’s interests, etc., and all the rest of this insane bullshit.
Someone can be wrong honestly, without the need of claiming he’s wrong dishonestly, wrong because he’s actively intending to subvert the cause (so he can of course get invited to these famous DC dinner parties, etc.)
Stop jumping to claim some one is not just wrong but actively malicious.
It’s insane. It’s fruit fucking loops. and it’s tiresome.
And I do think I am taking off the week. You guys only seem to want to talk about Sarah Palin and furthermore you only want to hear the same thing — she’s running, this is a great move, she’s now perfectly poised for the race, etc.
It’s nonsense. And I hardly need to blog about it, because you all seem to know the words to the song. So you don’t need me as part of the chorus. You can sing the same words well enough without me.
I am really tired of this relentless nonsense and occasional nastiness whenever someone is believed to have departed from the conservativey correct line.
To anticipate some of the responses that comments like this have already generated, for the purpose of this discussion, I really do not care what Ace wrote about Palin’s resignation, any more than I care about what Ed Morrissey wrote about it, any more than I care about the advice Jonah Goldberg was offering Palin before her announcement. I can disagree with any part or all of their opinions without irrationally jumping to the conclusion that they hate Palin, or have thrown in their lot with David Frum and Colin Powell.
Indeed, I can point out what I think are some of the flaws in Goldberg’s piece. He overstates how much Palin has been out of Alaska since the election, while understating the degree to which her profile these days has been dictated by David Letterman, Vanity Fair’s Todd Purdum, and disgruntled McCain campaign officials dragging her (and her daughters) into the spotlight. But consider some of the over-the-top reactions against Goldberg’s writing and person when the piece was linked here at HotAir (Obviously, not all of the critical comments were over-the-top, but if you read them all, you’ll find a fair number of them). To grasp how off-kilter some of the vitriol was, consider that Goldberg argued that Palin can match Romney’s ability to talk policy if she wants to, but Romney will never have Palin’s charisma. How that qualifies as heresy eludes me. The notion that Goldberg is somehow “blowing up the conservative movement” by stating his opinion also seems to impute to him influence far beyond that which he actually has (and I would say the same of Charles Krauthammer, let alone a handful of conservative bloggers).
As for her resignation, my analysis would be closer to that of Mark Halperin than Ace or Ed. But I can disagree with them on Palin’s future prospects while utterly agreeing with Ace’s comment about Palin’s most rabid supporters, who are probably doing her no favors. I suspect that some of the reasons the Left has a special loathing for Palin are the same reasons why some on the Right seem to have an absolutely blind love for her. Should she decide to run for president, the Left will likely enjoy the prospect of using her most devoted followers to highlight her most polarizing qualities.
Granted, the knee-jerk defense of Palin is also a product of the sheer volume and bile of the attacks on her from the Left. But the unfair attacks of the Left will not go away, so long as Palin remains in politics. Nor do those unfair attacks justify unfair attacks by Palin supporters against others on the Right who have supported Palin, or simply called the balls and strikes as they saw them. It is possible to be mistaken without being evil.
Finally, consider this from R. A. Mansour’s profile at Conservatives4Palin:
Make no mistake, the beating she took during the campaign was wounding. She’s not as confident as she once was. You can see it in the difference between her pre-campaign interviews and her post-campaign interviews. There’s a stuttering nervousness about her now. She’s trying to get back on her game.
That could be read more than one way. Presuming that Mansour did not intend to paint Palin as someone who can be beaten down by the likes of Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson, it suggests that Palin recognizes that she needs to raise her game to meet The Narrative likely to be built against her — should she seek a national leadership position. If so, Sarah Palin and Jonah Goldberg really are not all that far apart.
Addendum (Ed): Sarah Palin is not an issue. Sarah Palin is not a political principle. Sarah Palin is a politician. If her supporters demand no criticism of a politician, they risk turning Palin and her supporters into nothing more than a cult of personality, the kind we derided with Barack Obama. And it does our friends no favors if we see them going over a cliff and remain silent, or worse yet, cheer them to go faster.
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LOL. Watch out for the “S-word”!
littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM
We all knew she was talking to the nation.
I do. She couldn’t even continue effectively as governor, let alone be able to address some of the larger issues.
I do. SHe is now free to go and do what she wants. SHe can help others raise money. She can lure the media to just about anything she does. I think that she is now in a much better position to advocate for the larger issues. We’ll see if she is effective in it.
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM
To be fair, I think there’s a difference in doing what was done in the past, just for the sake of tradition (or whatever) and doing something that “everyone does” because it’s generally the right call.
I think Palin’s extinct to buck “the system” is a good one, but I think it led her astray here.
It was her executive experience that gave me comfort in a race between her and Obama. Without it, she has her work cut out.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Don’t thank me. Thank the “Ace”. It is so sad that a man who once shot down 5 or more enemy planes in a single day could have fallen so far but I guess that is the cycle of life.
MB4 on July 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM
It seems funny to me that Ace, Ed and Allah are railing against the “Palinistas” for not accepting any constructive criticisms of Palin. What constructive criticisms? All I’ve seen is Allah being passive-aggressive about her for a while and Ed and Ace were declaring her career dead just minutes after her press conference. What’s constructive about that?
kvader on July 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM
What the hell she is up to I have no idea. The fact that she chose to stand up and silhouette herself on the ridge is good enough to catch my notice. That is where I’m at with 2012. Deeds. This was a deed on her part. As I said earlier, I’ve no idea what it means, but I’m willing to watch. The confused commentary on her act proves to me that none of you have the slightest idea either what this means.
I have no problem not knowing it all. It wouldn’t be the first time I had to change my viewpoint.
Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM
What you think is irrelevant.
However, I very much do appreciate you proving the fact that you’re a blatant hypocrite as well as a smug little punk.
Now get off hotair and get back to work Mr. President.
You-Eh-Vee on July 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Sounds like the Liz Trotta whine. Motivated by jealousy?
Not only are libs the more racist, they are the more sexist. Poot. I’d support Helen Thomas if she was geuinely doing the things Palin is doing.
davidk on July 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM
That was last year. She’s lost her experience somewhere along the way?
littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Yes, but also to her constituents. They did vote her into power after all.
And you don’t see that as a problem? Looking at the world today, I want someone who can handle 100 things at once. Obama can’t seem to be able to, and we’re suffering for that.
We will, and again, I hope she is. And yet, we were only talking about another 16 months, months where she could have shown the world what she can do running something, something Obama has yet to show us.
She was already raising money and helping others do the same, and as governor of Alaska, I always felt she was in a good position to argue on energy at the national level.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Funny how some bloggers have to take a day off because they feel like they’re being attacked. And yet the irony is lost on them.
Matticus Finch on July 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Ace, you magnificent bastard. Whines, says he is going on “vacation” meanwhile sits back and counts the clicks to his site, because he needs the cash, hardens the base around Palin, all win.
WoosterOh on July 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM
So Palin is no worse or only slightly better than Obama.
Maybe she can use that as a campaign slogan.
B26354 on July 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM
The have a bad case of Premature Speculation. Hope they get better.
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Ed and Ace now see she could, unleashed, destroy the party. (Or should I say the “party“?) Watch the attacks from Repubs from here on out. If you criticize the attacks, they’ll project and call you a Palinista.
It can’t come soon enough!
dtestard on July 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Certainly no worse than his deified personage.
littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM
I never said that anyone should shut up. It is this type of, if I may generalize, of exaggeration that fuels the this kind of argument. I suggested judgment, temperament and reticence in writing, something Patterico recommended during the Rush “I hope he fails” imbroglio and that was about extemporaneous speech, not the written word, like Ed’s original post, which was not gentle by sober analysis standards.
And why should I take on blind faith your assertion that is beyond silly? Doesn’t “Loose lips sink ships” have any applicability here, even in the most basic of fashions? Are we saying the the MSM’s constant trumpeting of faux conservatives — Parker, Frum, Noonan, Powell, McCain — by trotting them out whenever they say something that can be used against do conservatives really has no effect on the efforts of conservatives? It seems to me that you could say it’s use shouldn’t apply in such a sensitive manner but considering the options conservatives have and the state of the Republican party, I hardly think it should be called silly.
Dusty on July 6, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Vote for Palin: There is Only One God :)
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:45 PM
This is the type of criticism of Ed and Ace with which they are probably fine. Disagree with their analysis and don’t impute motives.
darii on July 6, 2009 at 3:45 PM
That comment was RACIST!!!
Oh wait. We weren’t talking about Obama anymore?
Anyway. You’ll have to look far and wide to find a bigger Palin fan than me outside of her immediate family, but pretending that any comment that’s even mildly critical is over the top hating is, well, nuts. I made a comment on another Palin thread where a lot of Palin’s bigger, err, fans started shrieking that Frank J. was a RINO. Frank J.?! Seriously, do you people even stop to think for a minute before frothing at the mouth? Because calling Frank J. a RINO is completely and utterly batshit insane.
Listen: I want Palin to run for POTUS and I plan to vote for her, but pretending that she’s above criticism, or has exactly zero flaws, is a fool’s errand. In fact, Ed’s update above about creating a Sarah cult of personality a la Barry is spot on. There are a number of people I know whose lives are in the crapper right now and they still think that our current pResident hung the moon. We don’t need such muddy thinking on our side. Leave the frantic, hyperbolic, vitriolic emoting disguised as news for the moonbat crew and try-try- to think things through before going off half- or full-cocked.
Physics Geek on July 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Perhaps not, but I don’t see anyone else giving up their day job and risking their own political ambitions to go fight this fight for us. We need a leader and a lightning rod who can draw attention to the conservative arguments against Obama’s statism. She might be it. Looks like she’s going to try, for which she deserves our gratitude and support – at the very least, a suspension of our criticism long enough to see what she has in mind.
aero on July 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM
The blogosphere’s gone topsy-turvy with its latest parlour game
Some dress themselves in a Crown of Thorns and battle Ghosts of Straw that are evermore lame
Ranting on and on about this Sarah Palin from night to morn
They seem to think that in this woman the Devil Herself had been reborn
But the jackanapes are always runnin’ round with empty blows
It’s unfortunate to note that concern for their mental state just grows and grows
PercyB on July 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Advice to Ed Allah and Ace: Point your weapon at the enemy.
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:47 PM
There are some other posts up today. One or two on Obama…
;)
darii on July 6, 2009 at 3:48 PM
I agree absolutely with this post.
We say that Obots are utterly nuts in their hero worship. I have tried to poised this question for our own populist candidate and have been called a freaking troll and flamed. What in the world?!?
If we cannot have a dialogue, we are no better than the left and we are also not treating her as an equal player on the national level. Start treating her with respect and less with kid gloves…you can still love her as a candidate while still acknowledging her flaws. It is the NATION which is in need and it will take EVERY ONE OF US to change it, not one woman (or man) EVER. Unless it’s Jesus, of course. :o)
Mommypundit on July 6, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Sorry, I have been watching MJ all day.
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM
You implied that talking negatively will harm her. I’m not sure what else someone was supposed to take from that.
I really don’t see how. That was about giving away our secrets to the enemy, not about criticism of government actions. We’re not spilling any secrets here, unless there are people who really don’t believe that any Palin supporter thought this was a bad idea, and I’d rather not think that we live in such a world.
No, but then those people were being used to tout liberal ideals and goals. People on this site are still touting conservative ones.
I respectfully disagree and think disagreements here are healthy so long as they focus on issues rather than personal attacks.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:50 PM
OT: I’m just wondering why HotAir hasn’t seen fit to put up a thread about all of the incredibly stupid things Biden has been saying. He’s put his foot in his mouth 6 or 7 times in the last few days, about major issues, and Hotair doesn’t care. I’ve been waiting for the Biden thread to appear for a couple of days, now. He threw in the towel on Iraq, said that the admin didn’t understand the economy when they pushed through that Porkulus, without allowing it to be read, … But all we get is complaints from them about their silly thoughts on Palin …
Back to your regular discussion.
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM
These posts from Alluh and Ed are stupidity and bias at their highest. If one defends Palin they are irrational and “palinistas”, “palinbots”, etc… Why? Because this is the same crowd where they actually believe any Presidential contender should not respond to the media bias. They have stated over and over how we should just be dignified and “take it”. So for “Republicans” to openly express their displeasure with false, misleading, and ignorant posts automatically makes them vitriolic!!!
jmell7 on July 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM
This is the problem though. The establishment tells the people that a + b = a successful politician. That’s assuming that everyone starts on equal footing, and is allowed equal access to a and/or b. This usually means that a successful politician is an Ivy League educated lawyer or some such.
Everything about Palin has defied the establishment — she’s a she, she’s an attractive she, she was plucked from obscurity, her approval rating as a governor was through the roof (and is still higher than reported in some of the mainstream media), and then comes the part about her being eviscerated by the media like no politician before her, and this includes her husband, children, and grandchild.
Her situation is not comparable to any other because it is not like any other. For her to react business as usual would have been her death knell, and I daresay that the people filing complaint after complaint hoped she’d be lame ducked into failure. I don’t think they ever though she’d resign, especially with all the stories out about her attention whoring, power hungry personality.
For so long pundits and Repubs on a grass roots level have demanded that we fight back, or change it up, or do something, anything differently, but when Palin does that without explaining her strategy point by point, she is eaten by her own, precisely because she defied the good ole boy rules.
Maybe she has a brilliant strategy, maybe not, but at least she won’t go down without a fight. At least she’s not rolling over and apologizing to those that continue to do her harm. She had to get off the defensive, and in that regard, there was no other choice.
haikusrock on July 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM
What’s funny about this is…
The Dems had the same fight PUMAs vs. ObamaCult. But at least they had a leader on each team.
We, on the other hand, are having a PalinGod vs. TBD fight.
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Off to the forced labor camp for all those who dare question Dear Leader Palin.
Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM
I think this will be a class fight.
She’s the real populist…not Obama.
AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Hollowpoint, you missed the point. First of all, the GOP and conservative movement are not even close to the same thing.
Second, if it wasn’t Sarah Palin, it would be Bobby Jindal, or some other conservative.
There are two factions in the Republican party and have been for at least 35 years or so. She is the current champion of one of those two wings, and the bane of the other.
My point, and blather about “cultists” notwithstanding, this fight is nothing new, and goes back to before either Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney ever held elective office.
But for now, if the Reagan/Goldwater wing is going to assume control of the GOP, its going to be behind Sarah Palin. There is no one else who can do what she does in terms of excitement and rallying a base that really needs a lift…
Nat Hound on July 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM
lansing quaker on July 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Amen, Physics Geek.
I don’t believe for a minute that Ed was doing anything other than blogging his own sincere opinions in his criticism of Palin. I don’t see him as “indoctrinated” at all. One thing that’s always drawn me to Ed’s posts is his rationality and sincerity. (Can’t say much about Ace since I don’t read him that often.)
Rosmerta on July 6, 2009 at 3:54 PM
THEY AREN’T ATTACKING HER. For gosh’s sake. They have a right to be critical of ANY PUBLIC SERVANT. It is your blind devotion, to any candidate, which is most dangerous. Remember that they work for us, conservative or liberal. To disallow robust debate on our side shows lack of confidence in our ideas more than anything.
Mommypundit on July 6, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Sorry about your father…….
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 3:54 PM
This is like the BloodSport movie.
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Realistically, nobody under retirement age believes that Sarah Palin is presidential material in three years.
Maybe to the throngs of Baby Boomer guys on HotAir.com she’s some young babe, but c’mon… To the rest of us she’s old. She only seemed young and vivacious because for months she had to stand next to McCain and by 2012 she won’t be pushing 50, she’ll be slappin’ the hell out of it.
I’d totally support her if she was going to be the Secretary of Energy in the cabinet of the 2012 Republican president-elect or if she wants to make speeches at fundraisers for Republican pols in the 2010 Congressional election. However, it’s unrealistic to think she’s “our gal” in 2012.
ScottMcC on July 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Then what’s the point of blogging? If someone posts criticism about someone, in this case, Palin, is the purpose just to attract people who agree with the original post? Can’t the criticizer take the criticism about his/her opinion?
It’s hardly a cult-like mentality to post opposing opinions on blogs. If we were building shrines and temples in adoration of Sarah Palin, then you may have a valid point.
yogi41 on July 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Beat it. Just beat it.
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM
LOL. Finally, something original.
littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Surprisingly, I totally agree with Ace’s assessment here. Palin isn’t a saint. She’s wrong about stuff, makes bad choices, has moments of vanity or conceit, and is guilty of all the other utterly human foibles that the rest of us enjoy.
Further, I think it’s silly for all of us to assume that this is part of some strategy, brilliant or otherwise, to position her for a White House run. Let’s just take things one day at a time, and make decisions based on the facts as we know them at this time.
Blind allegiance to a personality is how we got Barry-O in the White House. As much as a love many of Palin’s qualities, I’m not going to blindly follow her.
hawksruleva on July 6, 2009 at 3:56 PM
…..You are not alone….
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Sometimes the defense of her is too feral, agreed, but this is utter nonsense:
Sarah Palin embodies a principle, and that principle is that smooth talking highly polished ultraslippery policy wonk East Coast law grads have fucked this country like it’s never been fucked before.
From my perspective, the cure is someone who stutters, someone who has never attened an Ivy League school, someone who is limited and restrains herself from thinking she knows every answer to every question.
Enough of those people already.
THAT is the principle. THAT is what she is.
SlimyBill on July 6, 2009 at 3:57 PM
I don’t disagree with your overall sentiment; however, I feel it would have been stronger had she stayed in power. It’s that she was able to think outside the box while being an effective governor that made her such a great candidate (in my opinion, of course).
With her resigning, she seems to be signaling that her strategy didn’t work.
Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:58 PM
lol
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:58 PM
A phenomenon can have cultic qualities without actually being a full-blown pagan religion.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Crow for sale: BBQ, regular and crispy. (price goes up in 30 days)
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I like the Addendum. And the profanity is warranted and should not be edited it captures the raw emotion and frustration caused by the Palinistas
PunditFight on July 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM
In the age of the Internet, I for one want to wrest control from Beltway insiders (be they politicians, lobbyists for special interests or pundits).
For Twits like Ed Rollins and David Gurguin to say Palin hasn’t received especially rough treatment from the media is delusional. But, it represents Beltway thinking … thinking that has screwed up this country.
I am tired of having “Beltway Insiders” tell me what I should think, whom I should support, etc.
“F” the Beltway.
bw222 on July 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Excellent, +10.
Sorry, folks, but you are allowed to question Palin’s decision to resign. Saying it was an ill-advised move is nowhere near the same thing as making fun of her handicapped child, yet any criticism is sneeringly shrugged off as just the elitist and moderate squishies being afraid of Palin’s star power.
Like I said in the other thread, I like Palin, and I want her to do well. I also think resigning early doesn’t put her in a good position and doesn’t help her. I also don’t think she’s proved herself to be the shining Voice of Conservatism that will save America. I was willing to wait and see. The words of her rabid supporters are turning me off, hardcore.
Wellsy on July 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM
It’s worse than that — folks who normally know better have a blind allegiance to the Democratic Party. Me, my eyes are wiiiiiidddde open.
littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM
My nomination for Quote of the Day, from J. R. Dunn at American Thinker:
OUCH! BULL’S EYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 4:01 PM
And what about that small matter of the continued conniving and plotting of the later day Adolf Hitler in his trying to restore the later day Benito Mussolini to power in the later day Italy?
MB4 on July 6, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Two reasons why the “only 16 months” argument fails:
1) The Palins’ personal debt due to legal bills from defending her against baseless ethics charges has probably come close to bankrupting their family. They make good money, but they are not rich people. 16 more months with no let-up on that front would probably have ruined them if they aren’t ruined already. She must make better money to pay her bills, and a book and the lecture circuit might do that for her. She may not be worth as much money in one to two more years.
2) The damage the Obama administration has already done in less than 6 months is mind-boggling. The fights over cap & trade and health care will be fought and concluded long before another 16 months passes. The fight for our future is now. If Palin is serious about helping/leading that fight, 16 months from now is an eternity to wait to start, and far too late to save us from the consequences of an unchecked Democrat-led Congress and an unpopular and ineffective Republican leadership. And no, she can’t effectively fight those fights from Alaska, 4 hours behind the east coast, facing time-consuming court fights every single day, unable to leave Alaska without facing more ethics charges, and accountable to Alaska before national interests.
aero on July 6, 2009 at 4:02 PM
You’re essentially admitting what I said upthread – that conservatives support Palin for powerful symbolic and emotional reasons.
aengus on July 6, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I wish people would stop calling everybody lunatics. Everything we’ve seen is a normal human response to grief. We’re watching our country die and we’re going through guilt, blame, denial, acceptance of the death, fighting… the whole gamut.
The devil laughs. The very people who need each other the most push each other away, and any chance at righting the wrongs are lost.
We need to get a grip. We need a Frodo, somebody who’s small and really doesn’t want the job but will give it his best, surrounded by people who know that if Frodo loses, they all lose. WE need Legolas’ arrows, Gandalf’s staff, Aragorn’s sword, Gimli’s axe, Galadriel’s starlight, Elrond’s healing, Arwyn’s fight, and Sam’s humble, life-saving, loyal service.
Smeagol needs to defeat Gollum every time he arises.
I think Ace knows that. I think Ed knows that. I think AP knows that. I think everybody here knows that. I think we have different ideas of what it’ll take to win, or to stop this trainwreck in process. Maybe, like the diversionary tactics to move Sauron’s eye off of Frodo and Sam, winning requires multiple fronts of attack and the answer is both/and rather than either/or.
Some of my thoughts. It will take a smack-down of the media to the point that they fear the consequences if they hide or misrepresent the truth.
It will take honest players tearing up the good-ol’-boy playbook and seriously rooting out corruption.
It will take re-training the average joe in America to think critically and to understand the conflicting worldviews between communism and freedom.
It will take a real and effective way to counter Cloward-Piven.
It will take a deep, hard look into Galadriel’s mirror to see what will become of us if we fail, and an understanding that everything we’re tempted with also tempted the people who founded this country against all odds. Will we do less for our children than they did for us?
Stop despising each other. Stop ridiculing someone else’e effort just because it’s not what you would do. Concentrate on our common enemy. If you think what somebody else is doing won’t work, then offer up something that WILL work. But I don’t think that getting a Republican/conservative in the White House in 2012 is the great end of all our troubles. I think our troubles are much, much deeper and systematic than that.
justincase on July 6, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Dear gawd….save us when Pawlenty(Ed) and Rudy(Allah) go to war. We’ll all be the kids trapped in the living room while the parents tear up the other end of the house.
Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 4:05 PM
The bottom line is, Palin haters want to be able to attack her without receiving any attacks in return. Sorry, but life doesn’t work that way. Unfortunately, it looks like the Palin haters are adopting the “free speech for me but not for thee” attitude of the left.
And those comparing Palin to Obama would do well to remember that Obama had the Dem party establishment behind him, they even tossed Hillary for him. Palin has had to fight against the Repub establishment every step of the way.
clearbluesky on July 6, 2009 at 4:07 PM
How dare you speak of such trivialities when bloggers’ feelings are being hurt as we speak. It’s an emotional bloodbath, here, and you’re worried about the minor factoid that the junta in Washington is propping up anti-American dictators and defending the rape of Constitutions around the world. For shame, MB4. :)
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Nicely said, justincase. Let’s not mistake Gandalf for Saruman – or vice versa. ;)
Rosmerta on July 6, 2009 at 4:08 PM
—–Palinistas—–
Just look at your title for this article. This is bias not constructive criticism. This is the kind of thing I am sick of. I am a caring American who happens to support Sarah Palin not some derogatory word,,Palinistas,, WTF?
tinkerthinker on July 6, 2009 at 4:08 PM
I like and respect Palin, but some of what Karl says here is true. People do have a right to their opinions and if they disagree that does not make them bad people.
For instance I have heard some blame McCain for Palin’s problems, however, over at the conservative blog Powerline Paul did a post criticizing McCain for being reckless enough to put Palin on the ticket. In other words McCain is catching it from both sides and to some extent so is the GOP.
It is not fair to accuse the GOP of abandoning Palin because some pundits and bloggers voice an opinion you don’t like. Especially when one considers the fact that Palin is a Republican and was recently number 2 on a national GOP ticket.
The truth is we don’t really know as of yet what Palin’s next move will be or what her future holds. But if we allow her recent resignation to cause more dissension in the ranks, it will only be bad news for conservatives and good news for Obama.
So maybe people should sit back and wait and see what happens. Just ease up for a bit. I hope for the best for her and her family.
Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 4:08 PM
clearbluesky:
I don’t think that is true. Just because someone thinks that Palin resigning will hurt her career in politics, that does not mean they are a Palinhater.
Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM
I posted this earlier today on another blog. After reading Ed’s remarks, I thought I’d pull it up and plop it down here.
“This “debate” about Palin has gone from being surreal to down right childish. She resigned. She’s out of politics. What is there left to talk about?
Nothing. Just another opportunity for Palin bashing. Like the leftists need an excuse. Palin can’t even take her daughter to a Yankee game without it turning into a national scandal
I have no vested interest in Palin. She has no shot at becoming President. State-run media will not allow it. However, like with Bush-someone I did not like-I feel compelled to defend her. I defend her PRINCIPLES, since I share them.
She is not a part of the leftist Obama/Pelosi machine…that is a good thing.
She intends to work AGAINST the leftist Obama/Pelosi machine..that is a better thing.
Doing it by charging a hill, or from a bunker matters not. As long as she’s doing it, and from a place she is comfortable.
I’ve had my fill of cult of personality. Liberals enjoy destroying people with their hatred. But they cannot destroy ideas. Conservative ideas.”
07/06/2009 12:35:17 p.m. EDT
Browndog on July 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Sure, anyone who doesn’t see Sarah as a “goddess” as you do becomes a troll.
This kind of attitude is no better than HuffPo on it’s worst day. You just happen to worship Palin instead of Obama. The same amount of thought went into it. ZERO
Lynn2008 on July 6, 2009 at 4:10 PM
I don’t know that “admitted” is the right word…
:-)
I agree with her on most ideological principles as well, most, but doubtlessly not all.
And I have to say – the Presidency is **supposed** to be largely symbolic and emotional. I think the office was never intended to run manufacturers or audit doctors or buy prescription drugs or set gas mileage limits.
SlimyBill on July 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM
As I was reading Karl’s excellent commentary and Ace’s obviously labored and frustrated comments toward his more deranged commenters, I began to play a little game. I’ll list the persons named in the piece and try to guess their animating principle in the Palin Imbroglio:
Ace – leave me the fuck alone. I like conservatives and think liberals are stupid.
Karl – Ace is funny and some of his commenters are stupid. I like conservatives and think liberals are stupid.
Jonah – Palin has astonishing charisma and talent. Wouldn’t it be awesome if she would spend a few years learning some important stuff? I like conservatives and think liberals are stupid.
Colon Powell – Palin is scary, people like her; Obama is black, I like black; the GOP doesn’t like black people, I don’t trust or agree with conservatives. I’m a real Republican. I wonder who will give me the best job?
Halperin – I wonder what it will take to get Powell to give me exclusive rights on a new book? He’s the only Republican I like.
Frum – Palin is stupid. We need a really smart candidate to beat Obama. She is kinda hot, though. Who do we have that’s liberal enough to get Democrat votes in 2012? I don’t like conservatives but I want the GOP to win again.
Allah – Oh Sarah, what do you do to these men? They get all crazy or something. But if I don’t know it, nobody does. I like conservatives and think liberals are stupid, but there’s a right way and a wrong way.
Ed – when I had CQ my commenters were more civilized than these hooligans, and they were literate, too. I miss CQ.
Jaibones on July 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Good advice. I doubt the Palin attack machine will harken, though.
littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM
OK. He’s wrong – on so many levels. Let me take just one.
This isn’t about Palin’s “most rabid followers”. That’s a stupid straw-man response to the issues of Ms. Palin’s qualifications and/or her latest and most surprising political maneuver. I am really dismayed by the whining of some of our esteemed bloggers that they are being “bullied” by people for whom they have no respect anyway. Like Sam says on Burn Notice, “bunch a bitchy little girls”.
Randy
williars on July 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM
LOL. Excellent, Jaibones.
progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 4:13 PM
:)….great stuff there.
With that I’m off to AlGore some chicken on the BBQ.
God save the Republic!
Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 4:14 PM
You got that right. What’s so wrong with having an emotional attachment to a political figure? We don’t run copies of Burke or Buckley for office; people run for office.
ddrintn on July 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Try again. You missed. Reading comprehension not your strong suit? Pot, meet kettle.
Carolina Kat on July 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Jailbones and Limerick, you make me laugh. More power to us all.
justincase on July 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Ace….he’s such a douche tool. /s
kahall on July 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM
and people are not comparing Palin to Obama. It is the supporters they are comparing, not Palin and Obama.
Terrye on July 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM
I have to agree, the term “palinista” is over the top. The Lamestream media and blogosphere elitist snobs are telling us average Americans where to stick it.
mike_NC9 on July 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM
We’re getting to the point with AnninCA that no post is complete until she’s established the bottom for stupid comments.
Jaibones on July 6, 2009 at 4:18 PM
True.
Jaibones on July 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM
I think the “confused commentary” is really what is at issue here: nobody knows what exactly her gameplan is! The fact that there is so much discussion concerning not only the wisdom of Palin’s resignation, but also the reason behind it, shows how ineffective (and poorly written) her announcement was. Yes, she gave reasons, but they were sometimes at odds with each other. Was it for her family, legal bills, etc., or was it so she could still be a leader for her party on a national level? It seems like things would only get harder for her family if she continues to put herself in the spotlight, either through fundraising and policy advocacy or running for higher office.
I have no problem with her doing either of those things. I see positives in arguments on all sides, and that includes the argument that she simply wants to go back to being mom, albeit with some part-time fundraising potential. But she certainly did stumble out of the blocks with this announcement–I think that is what the real argument here is, what was she trying to say on Friday?
JoelD on July 6, 2009 at 4:20 PM
She ONLY comes here to see how many times others will mention her comments in any particular thread. Stop doing it and she will move along.
kahall on July 6, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Without reading all the comment pages it appears that the drift is:
a) lukwarm/non Palin people are upset at being called traitors by Palin supporters just because they’ve added an attack for her deviation from standard political procedure to their usual attack meme of her speech patterns, her lack of an Ivy league education, her daughter with an out-of-wedlock child, etc. Who would have thought there could ever be too many personal insults on Palin?
b) Palin supporters – referred to as Palinuts or Palinistas, are mindless and fawning and probably an embarrassement among the blog guys like AP, Ace & Ed. The problem with them being upset about being called traitors is that they control the content on the site. If the rabid Palin supporters are too much – all it would take is eliminating the constant threads about her. Switch over to some ever so interesting threads about Romney, DeMint, whomever.
katiejane on July 6, 2009 at 4:20 PM
No kidding. This guy just nailed it.
kangjie on July 6, 2009 at 4:21 PM
I am certain that you are correct.
Jaibones on July 6, 2009 at 4:22 PM
LOL. Am I the only one who understood exactly what she was saying? Maybe I should read it one more time very slowly to see if there isn’t anything I can find that confuses me in any way. There certainly wasn’t the first couple of times.
littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Guilty as charged. No.Effing.Idea.
Jaibones on July 6, 2009 at 4:23 PM
I say we have a Pundit Rumble. 8pm tonight. Bring your crew. No knives (hehe).
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 4:24 PM
I came here to say something about Palin…and then I saw this.
I can’t properly express my laughter through a keyboard, but trust me I laughed long and hard. You should be his publicist.
Go Palin?!?!?
Interweb Troll on July 6, 2009 at 4:24 PM
No worries, conservatives don’t bring knives to a gun fight. RINOS bring feathers.
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 4:27 PM
It’s called hypocrisy.
Blake on July 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Actually that would be the whole chicken!
upinak on July 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM
ANOTHER EFFIN’ STIMULUS….I’ve been stimulated enough!
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM
No one? No one at all?
Sorry, but I’m not ready to fall on my sword based on the fate of Sarah Palin. Hopefully she will be able to rally the conservative movement and advance our agenda, but she’s only one cog in the machine. It would be a mistake to gamble the future of the conservative movement all on one person.
Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I was actually going for a ‘French Tickler’, you know, for their trysts with democrats….but the whole chicken, that’s kinky.
HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Obama – Palin is scary, people like her; I am black… and white… and a God, I like white people; I thought we had her hemmed up in Alaska for 18 more months.
faraway on July 6, 2009 at 4:29 PM
It is better to die on your feet as a Palinista rather than to die on your knees as a Vichy Republican.
Blake on July 6, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Jailbones– any one who has listened to Sarah Palin knows this is true…..your stupid remark puts you on the bottom.
tinkerthinker on July 6, 2009 at 4:32 PM
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