Ace’s “special comment” on Palinistas

posted at 2:15 pm on July 6, 2009 by Karl

Edited only slightly, so there will be some profanity:

It’s this insane idea that if you want something to happen, you will also of course agree that it will happen, and if you don’t agree it will happen, obviously you don’t want it to happen.

In other words, if you’re cheering for one side, you must of course believe that side will win, and if you suggest our side won’t win, well, gee, you must be cheering against us.

It’s insane. I wanted the Giants to win against the Eagles in the playoffs, but I predicted they’d lose, because the Eagles had their number and they were coming apart at the seams. They did lose, for the reasons I guessed (I think). That did not mean I wasn’t “on their side,” I’ve been on the Giants’ side all my life.

But there is a mentality in the nutroots that if you dare to post a poll showing Republicans down and say “we’re in trouble, we need a game-changer,” well, that means you’re secretly rooting against our side.

And if you say that Fred Thompson isn’t catching on as hoped, well, you hate Fred Thomson.

And if you do not believe that Sarah Palin has some double-secret probation plan for the presidency, you must hate her too, and you’re rooting against her, and cheering for the other side.

This is fucking insane and it must stop. I will not be bullied by this ludicrous magical thinking brigade who insists that only Nice and Positive Words must be uttered or else one is contributing one’s Evil Energy to the Wrong Side.

It’s insane.

I disagree with you. I have tried to do so pleasantly but I am tired of the imputation of bad motive simply because I am more realistic and less prone to flights of hopeful fancy than you.

If you think I’m wrong, say so. I do not mind being called wrong. I do, however, greatly mind being called a traitor, of harboring a secret agenda I hide from you in order to advance the MSM’s interests, etc., and all the rest of this insane bullshit.

Someone can be wrong honestly, without the need of claiming he’s wrong dishonestly, wrong because he’s actively intending to subvert the cause (so he can of course get invited to these famous DC dinner parties, etc.)

Stop jumping to claim some one is not just wrong but actively malicious.

It’s insane. It’s fruit fucking loops. and it’s tiresome.

And I do think I am taking off the week. You guys only seem to want to talk about Sarah Palin and furthermore you only want to hear the same thing — she’s running, this is a great move, she’s now perfectly poised for the race, etc.

It’s nonsense. And I hardly need to blog about it, because you all seem to know the words to the song. So you don’t need me as part of the chorus. You can sing the same words well enough without me.

I am really tired of this relentless nonsense and occasional nastiness whenever someone is believed to have departed from the conservativey correct line.

To anticipate some of the responses that comments like this have already generated, for the purpose of this discussion, I really do not care what Ace wrote about Palin’s resignation, any more than I care about what Ed Morrissey wrote about it, any more than I care about the advice Jonah Goldberg was offering Palin before her announcement. I can disagree with any part or all of their opinions without irrationally jumping to the conclusion that they hate Palin, or have thrown in their lot with David Frum and Colin Powell.

Indeed, I can point out what I think are some of the flaws in Goldberg’s piece. He overstates how much Palin has been out of Alaska since the election, while understating the degree to which her profile these days has been dictated by David Letterman, Vanity Fair’s Todd Purdum, and disgruntled McCain campaign officials dragging her (and her daughters) into the spotlight. But consider some of the over-the-top reactions against Goldberg’s writing and person when the piece was linked here at HotAir (Obviously, not all of the critical comments were over-the-top, but if you read them all, you’ll find a fair number of them). To grasp how off-kilter some of the vitriol was, consider that Goldberg argued that Palin can match Romney’s ability to talk policy if she wants to, but Romney will never have Palin’s charisma. How that qualifies as heresy eludes me. The notion that Goldberg is somehow “blowing up the conservative movement” by stating his opinion also seems to impute to him influence far beyond that which he actually has (and I would say the same of Charles Krauthammer, let alone a handful of conservative bloggers).

As for her resignation, my analysis would be closer to that of Mark Halperin than Ace or Ed. But I can disagree with them on Palin’s future prospects while utterly agreeing with Ace’s comment about Palin’s most rabid supporters, who are probably doing her no favors. I suspect that some of the reasons the Left has a special loathing for Palin are the same reasons why some on the Right seem to have an absolutely blind love for her. Should she decide to run for president, the Left will likely enjoy the prospect of using her most devoted followers to highlight her most polarizing qualities.

Granted, the knee-jerk defense of Palin is also a product of the sheer volume and bile of the attacks on her from the Left. But the unfair attacks of the Left will not go away, so long as Palin remains in politics. Nor do those unfair attacks justify unfair attacks by Palin supporters against others on the Right who have supported Palin, or simply called the balls and strikes as they saw them. It is possible to be mistaken without being evil.

Finally, consider this from R. A. Mansour’s profile at Conservatives4Palin:

Make no mistake, the beating she took during the campaign was wounding. She’s not as confident as she once was. You can see it in the difference between her pre-campaign interviews and her post-campaign interviews. There’s a stuttering nervousness about her now. She’s trying to get back on her game.

That could be read more than one way. Presuming that Mansour did not intend to paint Palin as someone who can be beaten down by the likes of Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson, it suggests that Palin recognizes that she needs to raise her game to meet The Narrative likely to be built against her — should she seek a national leadership position. If so, Sarah Palin and Jonah Goldberg really are not all that far apart.

Addendum (Ed): Sarah Palin is not an issue.  Sarah Palin is not a political principle.  Sarah Palin is a politician.  If her supporters demand no criticism of a politician, they risk turning Palin and her supporters into nothing more than a cult of personality, the kind we derided with Barack Obama.  And it does our friends no favors if we see them going over a cliff and remain silent, or worse yet, cheer them to go faster.

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I make a motion we change “Palinstas” to “Palindrones.”

Gymkata on July 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM

You’ve fixed both sides of the coin. If you’re against Sarah Palin you’re a nut job. If you’re for her you’re a nut job.

At the risk of being called a nut job, I think there’s a vast group of people in the middle that are interested in her, believe that she’s the closest thing to a regular person in politics, but look at the manic conversation on both sides and don’t know what to think.

Personally (here it comes) I think everything I’ve read in the last 5 days is dead wrong. I don’t think anyone knows what her plans are and all the pundits both pro and con don’t have a clue. Because of this they’re falling into blogspeech, using the same rants they’ve done before and forming her decision into whatever they believe.

I think she is a much more complex person that either side give her credit for, and the next few years she will (safely) disappear from the radar screen, while America thrashes around trying to find an identity, whether liberal or conservative. If (or When) she comes back, she will have spent time forming herself into the individual she wishes and will be as tough as when she put Letterman in a headlock and made him cry uncle.

Go ahead, call me a nut job.

itsspideyman on July 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM

She didn’t quit, her opponents made it impossible for her to stay and be an effective governor. Her agenda was blocked by a legislature that wasn’t going to let her make a name on their backs, and she was going to continue to be assaulted by phony ethics charges. There is nothing to suggest that she couldnt stay in office and simply punch the clock for the next 18 months. But why should she when all she’d have to show for it at the end would be some headaches and a massive legal bill?

Nat Hound on July 6, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I was under the impression that a governor’s job entailed working with the legislature to craft laws. If the ethics laws in Alaska are too liberal, she should’ve changed them. Both for her sake, and the sake of every governor to follow after. Her quitting doesn’t resolve that loop hole.

Likewise, saying “her agenda was blocked by [the] legislature” means absolutely nothing. Historically, Congress has been controlled by the Dems; they will most likely control at least one chamber of Congress should Palin ever be elected. Do you think they’ll just go along with her agenda? If she can’t get anything done/forge a consensus on the state level, why do you think she’ll be able to do it on the federal level? Especially, when it’s widely acknowledged that she’ll encounter more resistance on the federal level, not less. This rationale does not wash.

Moreover, I don’t think any governor who follows her will be as well equipped to combat these legal challenges as Palin is. SHe’s a remarkable fundrasier; she should’ve weathered the storm and changed the system, instead of laying the responsibility on someone else’s shoulders.

Look, like most people (Ed, Ace and Allah included), if it came down to Obama and Palin, you know who I’ll pull the lever for. But, based on the information we have now, I’m not sure if she would get my primary vote. This is dereliction of duty pure and simple. And it shouldn’t be considered RINO-esque to think so.

Trent1289 on July 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM

So was getting elected to the US Senate and then immediately starting your campaign for the White House but the Chicago street thug got a pass and won the election. I’m not interested in moral equivilencies here but which is worse- Leaving your office 18 months early with a clear succession plan in place or ignoring your Senatorial duties for over two years so you can stump for higher office before you’ve even completed on third of your term of office?

highhopes on July 6, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Gateway Pundit posted about this very thing today, while also noting Michelle kept her sham of a $63,000 job during that time as well.

World B. Free on July 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I don’t mind if people provide constructive criticism

BS.

This is outright misrepresentation and a straw-man.

Don’t think I failed to notice how you never even tried to prove your point here.

He put himself out there in the public/political arena and offered opinions.

Yep, but he didn’t ask people to donate to his campaign so that he could run for a job where he’d have to put up with even more attacks far more malicious than the ones that have just made him take a vacation.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

This “quitting” meme is getting tiresome.

I’ve quit several jobs–to go on to better jobs. President of the United States or Mother and Wife, she’s got my support.

And you haven’t heard about any of her accomplishments from the MSM. DUH!

We’ll hear where she stands as she goes around supporting genuine conservatives. And her kids? They’re as tough as their Mom. And Todd–don’t piss him off.

davidk on July 6, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Much of our political theory has roots from the idea of a “Social Contract.” I’d say that running for a representative office is a little different than a 9-5 job.

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

You know what makes me mad? All the major networks are showing MJ’s funeral instead of soaps tomorrow. That makes me mad!

As for Palin, I voted for McCain only because of Palin. I also think she made a bad move here. It doesn’t mean I won’t support her again in the future, it just means I feel it was a bad move. Time will tell if I and others who feel the same way are wrong or right. But to continue to argue over this is just plain stupid.

I think I will take a vow and ignore these threads. I’m already hating them like I had the Meghan McCain threads.

moonsbreath on July 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

We’re all still trying to laugh at TrigTrooferism jokes, but we just can’t find the “humor…”

It’s really a shame you can’t see the blatant difference between racial satire and mocking innocent kids and 9/11 victims.

You-Eh-Vee on July 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Think Palin would’ve done this without Parnell waiting in the wings?

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Yes and no I don’t think Sean Parnell is waiting in the wings. He is a decent man so cut him some slack.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Trent1289 on July 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Umm.. they were changed. They just didn’t see the loopholes in the Ethic reform. Thanks for playing.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

A.) I don’t think anyone demands there be no criticism (other some freepers, maybe).

kevinkristy on July 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I see you haven’t met Jenfidel…

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

But let me get my public option in before you do that. :)

AnninCA on July 6, 2009 at 3:01 PM

LOL! I think you will be hard pressed to get your public option even now that the 60th clown is in the car.
Obamacare is falling apart on its own because the costs are just indefensible and even higher when you throw in the public option.

BTW, This is the kind of dialogue that Palin needs to be having if she wants to be taken seriously. Not just the stump speech fluff about wanting to defend the Constitution but real positions on real issues so the focus isn’t on Sarah Palin but on what Sarah Palin thinks about [fill in the issue here]

highhopes on July 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I am sick of constructive criticism from the right. Get on board or get off.

nondhimmie on July 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Yeah, that’s the way to increase the base.

I’ve been saying that the self-destruction of the Republican Party is just about complete. I think this last weekend saw the end of the process. All y’all are nothing but a footnote from this point forward. You will never get a pure majority in Congress again, and may never win the Presidency under the Republican name.

Sarah could do worse than head up the Tea Party. I don’t think she should run for office again, though. She’d be much more effective as figure-head, king-maker and fundraiser. She could galvanize the TP movement and bring a slate to the Congressional elections in 2010. Granted, most of the seats would probably be taken from the current crop of ineffectual Republicans; but … no loss. A few stray Dems would bite the dust, too. And as the current morons in Congress and in the White House keep committing us to economic and foreign policy suicide, we’ll see the unraveling of the Democratic Party too.

If enough of a movement is created, then the Tea Party gets to sit at the table and call some shots, come January, 2011. That at least gets them in the game. From there, it’s sticking to principals, and finding effective political leadership. And that’s where Sarah can be a difference maker.

But, you Pubs keep purging the ranks. Make sure the heretics are good and toasty on those piers you’re building for them. I’m just going to sit back and laugh at all of the teen-aged angst all y’all are directing at the likes of Allah, Ed, Karl, and Ace as they continue to challenge your orthodoxies. Keep chasing away the eloquent, passionate spokesmen for rational conservatism.

My popcorn is nice and buttery….

nukemhill on July 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

I see you haven’t met Jenfidel…

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Oh no you din’t..

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I’d say that running for a representative office is a little different than a 9-5 job.

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

I’d like to think so.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Do we not want someone, ANYONE, that is not afraid to drop bombs on obama’s facade of lies and dreams of fascism by speaking out loud??

If this woman can bring obama & his ilk down just one notch, in any way shape or form by speaking actual truth, in plain terms, to plain people LIKE ME, then who cares about all the snobby credentials.

The obama freak train is moving 100+mph, killing our country’s pride and economy with every minute that passes; he demeans us at every turn. His visage makes me want to vomit; and everyone acts scared of him. He is not my master – He is not my boss. I’ll take anyone who expresses true love of country over him any day.

The topic here should be how to stop obama. He does not own this country….WE DO. If Sarah is the mouthpiece to speak for me that I hate his stupid juvenile fantasy-land policies, then so be it. No one else has the balls thus far to do anything but complain. I WANT HIM GONE. Can we make this happen by the end of the year please?

Ris4victory on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

They’ll be coming to take the “Ace” away, ha-haaa.
They’ll be coming to take the “Ace” away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and he’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they’ll be coming to take him away, ha-haaa!!!
To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they’ll be coming to take him away, ha-haa!!!
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time……
- Napoleon XIV

MB4 on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

It’s really a shame you can’t see the blatant difference between racial satire and mocking innocent kids and 9/11 victims.

You-Eh-Vee on July 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Uh… You’ll have to elaborate on “racial satire.”

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

When so-called conservatives simply recycle the memes of the left, they shouldn’t be shocked at the response.

Ed, is dead wrong about something else, Sarah Palin is a politician, but “Sarah Palin” is short hand for the Reagan wing of the party that has been at war with the “Mitt Romney” (or Gerald Ford or Nelson Rockefeller) wing of the party for going on 40 years now…

Nat Hound on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Trent1289 on July 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM

She did change the ethics laws and I’ve posted links to the evidence in two different threads already. Google a bit.

gh on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Oh no you din’t..

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

;)

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM

MB4 on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

LMFAO! +10

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM

remember her Church being burned in December?

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM

It’s really a shame you can’t see the blatant difference between racial satire and mocking innocent kids and 9/11 victims.

You-Eh-Vee on July 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM

It’s really a shame you can’t see the difference between racial satire and people using racial epithets for cheap laughs.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

That’s actually what’s upset me most about this. As a two term governor (that would have been my preference) who’d studied up a bit, I feel she would have been nearly impossible to beat.

It’s not impossible for her to win now. It’s just going to be harder.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’m one who believes that there won’t be anything left of this nation in 2012 if the Washington junta’s actions are not stopped, soon. I think that these times are extraordinary and call for extraordinary, and immediate, action. Within this context, I care less about someone’s chances in 2012 than in seeing them be effective in stopping Washington much earlier. Palin’s move seemed like a recognition of this, to me, which I very much appreciated.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I use abrasive language. I’ve used the precise words for which you were rightly chastised. I just think I’m funnier.

The Race Card on July 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Obama? Is that you?

Guardian on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Just to add my 2 cents, while Ace and I do not always see eye-to-eye, he has done some stellar work through the election and continuing. I consider him a cyber-ally and welcome his efforts in the ongoing battle against the Obamanable snowman and his lackeys.

I also think he is on target regarding the unrealistic wishful thinking that is prevelent by some. Undoing/unseating this wanna-be tyrant is going to be far more difficult than many realize.

The likelyhood of continued media collaboration, census manipulation and outright voter fraud by ACORN going forward is more probable than not. Given these disadvantages, our odds in 2012 are akin(ie;long) those faced at the Battle of Midway. We were triumphant, but also lucky. We’re gonna need some of that luck again my friends.

Archimedes on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

remember her Church being burned in December?

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM

And?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Maybe because she put a spring in the steps of conservatives the last election cycle? and got at least a few of us out to vote for JohnnyMac?

Let’s face it, I would not have voted for JohnnyMac if Palin hadn’t been on the ticket.

She gave voice to us. That is what she did. Feel free to disagree, but riddle me this: who did more for conservatism? go ahead, take your time. It might take a while.

I R A Darth Aggie on July 6, 2009 at 2:42 PM

I would agree she energized conservatives in the last election cycle…but I was referring to this move…I don’t see what it does…unless she goes out like Reagan on the speaker/lecturer/writer circuit and gives speeches and writes columns, appears on TV shows, etc like he did.

unfortunately not too many people have done that much to advance the cause of conservatism…I would put Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito, up with any politician out there..

right4life on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

It’s not impossible for her to win now. It’s just going to be harder.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Exactly. I want her to be the hope of the party. But she isn’t there yet.

The last thing I want is for her to run and ruin her chances forever because she was pushed before she was ready. I can’t see how she has credibility against Obama on experience if all she does between now and then is make speeches.

Obama will have the experience by 2012 and she won’t. In fact it is hard to imagine a less experienced candidate, than someone who stepped down after just two years. It is hard to imagine that even getting her nominated as VP again.

We all should be thinking further ahead for her than 2012.

petunia on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

They can criticize, but fairly and honestly — not simply repeating false stories and accusations and representations.

I’m sure you’re sincere but it is quite clear to me that Palin’s supporters regard any criticism Palin as an attack on her person. Jonah Goldberg’s criticism was so mild, and so interspersed with undeserved compliments towards Palin, that the over-the-top negatives reaction belies all sense.

Politically not that much is known about Palin. Her supporters defend her for symbolic, emotional reasons which is why they cannot brook any dissent. Because they support Palin wholly for personal reasons then if follows (in the minds of the Palin cultists) that anyone who criticises Palin must be attacking her personally.

aengus on July 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Gateway Pundit posted about this very thing today, while also noting Michelle kept her sham of a $63,000 job during that time as well.

World B. Free on July 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM

Michelle was making considerably more than that before he was elected to the senate and her salary was roughly doubled afterwards.

gh on July 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Yes and no I don’t think Sean Parnell is waiting in the wings. He is a decent man so cut him some slack.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 3:08 PM

?

I meant if she didn’t have a close ally who will takeover, seems to me Parnell made the decision alot easier for her

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM

smiles and TBOD. Dude you are cracking me up earlier.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 2:57 PM

Let me understand this.

Maybe I’m a little f’cked up.

But I’m funny how? Funny
like a clown? I amuse you?

I’m here to f’cking amuse you?

What do you mean, funny?
How am I funny?

Tell me what’s funny.

Motherf’er! I almost had you.

I wonder about you sometimes, upinak.
You may fold under questioning.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Umm.. they were changed. They just didn’t see the loopholes in the Ethic reform. Thanks for playing.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

It’s a good thing laws can be changed more than once. Obviously they didn’t get it right last time. Instead of quitting, she should’ve copied other states and disallowed direct suits against public figures, added a standing requirement, or increased the pleading standard to require a likelihood of success. There are lots of ways to combat this from within the system

Trent1289 on July 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

We all should be thinking further ahead for her than 2012.

petunia on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

I’m afraid that if you think further ahead then 2012 we will need generals and not politicians.

Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

remember her Church being burned in December?

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Actually, you didn’t see this on TV, but it was attempted mass murder – they lit fuel at each entrance – cars were in the parking lot, lights were on, it was only 9pm, and kids were inside.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

and I think, unfortunately, that to those who do not follow politics, this move will be next to impossible to explain..she will be labeled a quitter…deservedly so…and will find it hard to overcome that.

right4life on July 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

I’m one who believes that there won’t be anything left of this nation in 2012 if the Washington junta’s actions are not stopped, soon. I think that these times are extraordinary and call for extraordinary, and immediate, action. Within this context, I care less about someone’s chances in 2012 than in seeing them be effective in stopping Washington much earlier. Palin’s move seemed like a recognition of this, to me, which I very much appreciated.

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

If that were the case (by that I mean the sole or at least main reason for her quitting), I’d think she’d have made that more central to her speech, and I’d also think she’d have quit sooner.

Besides, if you truly believe he’s ruining the country, wouldn’t you want as many people like Palin in government as possible?

The President and the federal government only have so much power. The rest is given to the states.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Gateway Pundit posted about this very thing today, while also noting Michelle kept her sham of a $63,000 job during that time as well.

World B. Free on July 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM

and remember how the MSM and Dems got away with making a big stink over Palin’s wardrobe in October? and getting completely away without asking about Michelle or Obama or Hillary’s clothes? and some how making an issue out of it?

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM

I meant if she didn’t have a close ally who will takeover, seems to me Parnell made the decision alot easier for her

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Parnell is a good LTG. He has done well and he has been around the block. he was a Alaskan Senator, he was a Deputy ofr the Div. of Oil and Gas. He is also a lawyer concerning Oil and Gas…

I trust him. This guy is alright and a Christian. He will be a fine replacement.

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM

;)

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Tread lightly, it’s been rough here today…mew

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

If her supporters demand no criticism of a politician, they risk turning Palin and her supporters into nothing more than a cult of personality, the kind we derided with Barack Obama. And it does our friends no favors if we see them going over a cliff and remain silent, or worse yet, cheer them to go faster.

I would agree that responding to criticism with rancor alone is not appropriate. However, at the end of the day, all of this is just opinion. When you see an item that asks the question, “Is her national career over?” and under her picture you see the word “Yes.” as if it were a tablet brought down from the mountain by Moses — the words constructive criticism isn’t what pops into your head.

littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Actually, you didn’t see this on TV, but it was attempted mass murder – they lit fuel at each entrance – cars were in the parking lot, lights were on, it was only 9pm, and kids were inside.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

dang didn’t know that, I was just trying to refresh some memories and point out we have no idea what this woman has been put through.

and to make my case this is part of a cultural civil war.

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Having recently been accused of Obama being my hero by Jaibones and of turning on Palin for relating how my wife was cast into doubt by Palin’s move after being a staunch supporter by julian followed by a rather personal attack on my wife… Yeah there is some serious nuttyness going on with some Palin supporters.

oddjob1138 on July 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Tread lightly, it’s been rough here today…mew…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

She was here?

Hmmm

Thanks for the heads up.

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Exactly. I want her to be the hope of the party. But she isn’t there yet.

The last thing I want is for her to run and ruin her chances forever because she was pushed before she was ready.

petunia on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

This is a Palin supporter. Note the ability to admit flaws in Palin.

Let’s try and align along this axis.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I wonder about you sometimes, upinak.
You may fold under questioning.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Twitter… :)

No folding unless it is laundry!

upinak on July 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM

The last thing I want is for her to run and ruin her chances forever because she was pushed before she was ready. I can’t see how she has credibility against Obama on experience if all she does between now and then is make speeches.

petunia on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Agreed and that was actually a concern of mine when she was our VP nominee, but at least then, she was running for a job that would have given her incredible experience.

She’s still very young and can still do so much, if she wants it. If she doesn’t, I completely understand. But if she does, she’s got a lot of work ahead of her.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM

So basically it is really all about Romney? That’s just more weirdness from the Palin people.

No. That’s just more weirdness from YOU.

The two have nothing whatsoever to do with each other. That kind of thinking is just counter productive in the extreme.
petunia on July 6, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Correct. Yet, you managed to confuse the two, anyway. Your kind of thinking is trollish in the extreme.

Blake on July 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Imagine what Palin could do with the Tea Party movement if she starts rallying behind them and help with organizing

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Imagine what Palin could do with the Tea Party movement if she starts rallying behind them and help with organizing

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Maybe this is her higher calling. It sure wouldn’t be politics as usual.

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Yeah there is some serious nuttyness going on with some Palin supporters.

oddjob1138 on July 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM

And detractors. I admit I was a avid Palin supporter up until after the election. Now I am in watch mode. Not just for her but for all of them. That makes me a Palinista? When in her ‘quit’ thread I said there is more here then quit I am called a bot. WTF is that?

Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Since this is really a useless rehash thread could I ask a question? What’s the criteria for adding suffixes? How does something become a …gate or an ….ista anyway? Are these test marketed or something?

Rocks on July 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

She was here?

Hmmm

Thanks for the heads up.

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I haven’t seen her…plenty of others tho…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

And detractors. I admit I was a avid Palin supporter up until after the election. Now I am in watch mode. Not just for her but for all of them. That makes me a Palinista? When in her ‘quit’ thread I said there is more here then quit I am called a bot. WTF is that?

Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM

With some posters, either your 100% with or 100% against.

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

I haven’t seen her…plenty of others tho…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Well, at least she’ll have friends…

Roar!

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Remember when I wanted so much for the Giants to win
And I got on my knees
And begged them not to lose
Because I’d go beserk
Well they lost anyhow
And then the days got worse and worse
And now you see I’ve gone
Completely out of my mind
When I warned you of the magical thinking brigade you thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I said
That Sarah Palin would make me flip my lid
Right? You know you laughed
I heard you laugh. You laughed
You laughed and laughed and then you left
But now you know I’m utterly mad
- The “Ace”

MB4 on July 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Well, at least she’ll have friends…

Roar!

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Keep practicing that ROAR!!!
;p

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Since this is really a useless rehash thread could I ask a question? What’s the criteria for adding suffixes? How does something become a …gate or an ….ista anyway? Are these test marketed or something?

Rocks on July 6, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Good question… Although after a while, some of this becomes obvious… Look out for MaximusConfessor (banned St Olaf???), you’ll be able to add some ista’s there…

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Keep practicing that ROAR!!!
;p

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Will do.

And with that, I’m out.

Good luck! Stay Sane!

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Man, this woman can evoke PASSION! For this alone, I will be forever grateful to her.

littleguy on July 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

I hope she can afford good bodyguards

though wouldn’t doubt if she is packing heat herself

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Now, where is that Windex for the monitor? LOL

kingsjester on July 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

The mistake being made here- from all sides- is the rush to judgment about this move by Palin. That and trying to read unspoken content into it. The one thing she has tried to be is straight-forward; assume the thought processes expressed are precisely the intent. Just wait an see, folks.

Like JP, I’d love to see her taker a leadership role in the Tea Party movement.

michaelo on July 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

And detractors. I admit I was a avid Palin supporter up until after the election. Now I am in watch mode. Not just for her but for all of them. That makes me a Palinista? When in her ‘quit’ thread I said there is more here then quit I am called a bot. WTF is that?

Limerick on July 6, 2009 at 3:19 PM

I’m in watch mode too. My wife more so. I still think this can play out positively for her but I don’t have much faith in it. Because on it’s face it’s damning. But dare you speak such blasphemy and you will be called an Obama supporter.

oddjob1138 on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

If that were the case (by that I mean the sole or at least main reason for her quitting), I’d think she’d have made that more central to her speech, and I’d also think she’d have quit sooner.

I don’t think it was the main reason, but it figured prominently, which is why I pointed out her broadsides on the administration in Washington. Her main reason was that she could no longer effectively govern due to the attacks on her, but her feeling about needing to do somethign to stop Washington is what she was trying to say with her ;ame-duck piece. She wasn’t talking about being a lame-duck for Alaska, but for doing anything to help this nation fight the insanity coming out of Washington. This is what confused so many and why the term “lame-duck” wasn’t the right one.

Besides, if you truly believe he’s ruining the country, wouldn’t you want as many people like Palin in government as possible?

She stayed until she figured that there was nothing she could do from the governorship in Alaska. The lame-duck thing from just above.

The President and the federal government only have so much power. The rest is given to the states.

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Given by the Constitution, but not respected by Washington or the courts. This is the problem. Palin also talked about this with respect to the Porkulus cash:

Even those debt-ridden stimulus dollars that would force the heavy hand of federal government into our communities with an “all-knowing attitude”

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

The Palinistas have adopted a “you’re either for us or against us” mentality.

Hmm… that sounds familiar…

Ryan Garns on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Ed and Allah blew up their own blog. How stupid is that?

Trolls are everywhere sowing discord without any “supervision”.

They better call a crisis team.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Those of you throwing the word “cult” around have little sense of human nature.

TheBigOldDog on July 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM

How so, TBOD?

Rosmerta on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

If her supporters demand no criticism of a politician, they risk turning Palin and her supporters into nothing more than a cult of personality, the kind we derided with Barack Obama.

As someone who was thrilled by her choice as VP and as someone who would like nothing more than to see her make liars out of the left and their willing dupes on our side by becoming president, AMEN ED. I’ve been shocked at the cult of personality on our side for Sarah that’s become apparent these last few days. We’re supposed to believe in our ideas, not in the infallibility of our leaders. Reagan was great because his ideas were. I hope Sarah comes back strong but I’ll follow the ideas and not the person. Some of you people are getting scary.

jnelchef on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Exactly. I want her to be the hope of the party. But she isn’t there yet.

The last thing I want is for her to run and ruin her chances forever because she was pushed before she was ready.

petunia on July 6, 2009 at 3:12 PM
This is a Palin supporter. Note the ability to admit flaws in Palin.

Let’s try and align along this axis.

MadisonConservative on July 6, 2009 at 3:17 PM

I think we all question WHY she resigned, MadCon, but we just don’t want to pile on…the msm is piling on plenty.
How’s the walker?

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Apparently some conservative pundits can dish it out but they can’t take it. It’s ok for Ed, et al. to say that a decision made by Sarah Palin is “career-ending” but it’s not ok for the people who patronize their sites to disagree with their opinions? or is it just not ok to strongly disagree?

In any case, I do strongly disagree. Karl said it best in his post “Just because you don’t know what she’s doing doesn’t mean she doesn’t.”

And the quote about her losing her confidence? I care a lot more about an elected official’s level of integrity than about how confident they look on tv. Obama generally looks pretty confident, as long as he’s answering softball questions with his teleprompter handy. People are sick of slick politicians.

rcw on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Ed and Allah blew up their own blog. How stupid is that?

Trolls are everywhere sowing discord without any “supervision”.

They better call a crisis team.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Nah, all they need is a roach motel to lure you into, faraway.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM

MB4: shouldn’t that poem be credited to Ace the XIV?

HTL on July 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Blah, blah, blah.

Take it from me, a Clinton supporter who was shouted off any and all Lefty blogs during the 2008 primaries. We Clinton supporters talked, argued points, worked with facts. I was a trusted user on DailyKos, and then was flamed off for my Clinton support and Obama criticisms.

I was banned from TalkLeft for “supporting” Sarah Palin when I was just doing what I thought was right, and countering the smears.

I was shouted off — and banned from — my State (Michigan) blogs even though I’d met those bloggers before because I said I couldn’t support Obama after what happened during the Democratic Primaries.

Conservative bloggers can either go down those lefty blog routes and shout off their users critical of negative/unfair/erroneous coverage (as many Clinton supporters were on Lefty blogs), or they can understand that there is a movement, and Palin is the vehicle for it.

Or they can simply understand Americans on blogs will talk about what they want to talk about. All I see from bloggers like Ace is whining. He can be a Kos (who whined many times people took him to task), or he can understand the readership and the commenters.

Conservatives can continue to “take the high road of principle.” Fat lot that did when they let Hillary twist in the wind against the left, and then were shouting into the wind when it came “principled” arguments against Obama.

Palin is a movement. It’s bigger than her, and it’s time to get on board.

lansing quaker on July 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Guess I’m missing the nuance here. I love Sarah Palin whether she has a plan to run for office or not. In fact, I’d kinda come down on the side of going back to Wasilla to enjoy the life she was enjoying before politics.

But I don’t know. She was a beauty queen, after all.

I guess I didn’t notice the people who freaked out at the suggestion that this wasn’t a double-secret plan to run for President.

misterpeasea on July 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM

If I didn’t know better, I’d almost think that certain bloggers don’t like the thousands of clicks and comments each and every Palin thread generates.

aero on July 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM

We don’t know what is going to happen with Palin, and there is much speculation on both sides. Even though I like Palin, I don’t have an issue with those that are somewhat critical, even those on our own side, as long as its fair criticism and not the personal stuff. But the rant by Ace is way over the top. He is the one who is taking a firm stand that she is done politically now because of the resignation. Which I do think is a possibility. But he can’t take it that others see it another way, and he goes on and on about how they are living in a fantasy world and mocks them as if they are too blinded by their cultish ways. He is way over the top in his assessment of his correctness and allows no possibility that Palin may indeed find a way to overcome this. People that make claims like “there is zero chance” of this happening or that happening are indeed in a fantasy world. Whether you support her or not, it is foolish to say she has no chance. Nobody has a perfect crystal ball.

exceller on July 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Like JP, I’d love to see her taker a leadership role in the Tea Party movement.

michaelo on July 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

it would force the MSM to cover them, and she could really galvanize the idea behind them.

On other hand the MSM would paint it as proof she is a fringe figure.

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Yeah!! I’m just watching the Republican party kill itself. Pride the motivator!!! Go Ed, Go Allah, Go Ace! If you justify yourselves enough, you’ll become right! Just do it!!!
“You will not die….” (sike)

The Repubs will now attack Sarah the exact same way the Dems have, just watch. And they’ll call it criticism, and anyone who doesn’t join in will be, as HotAir now says, a Palinista.

Just do it – it can’t come soon enough.

dtestard on July 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM

McCain needs to man up, go on national tv and defend Palin and denounce the Witch Hunts against her

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM

MB4 on July 6, 2009 at 3:21 PM

Thanks for the memories MB4. I haven’t thought of that song in a very long time.

misterpeasea on July 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM

I hope she can afford good bodyguards

though wouldn’t doubt if she is packing heat herself

jp on July 6, 2009 at 3:24 PM

She’d be better off with the bodyguards. If she had to shoot somebody herself it might not play well in the media.

aengus on July 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Nah, all they need is a roach motel to lure you into, faraway.

HornetSting on July 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Hahahaaaa…

ladyingray on July 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Not sure what y’all meant by “Social Contract,” but this is my understanding:

The stated aim of the Social Contract is to determine whether there can be a legitimate political authority. In order to accomplish more and remove himself from the state of nature, man must enter into a Social Contract with others. In this social contract, everyone will be free because all forfeit the same amount of freedom and impose the same duties on all. Rousseau also argues that it is illogical for a man to surrender his freedom for slavery; and so, the participants must be free. Furthermore, although the contract imposes new law, especially laws safeguarding and regulating property, a person can exit it at any time (except in a time of need, for this is desertion), and is again as free as when he was born.

Under this understanding ofm “Social Contract,” one can argue that Palin resigned because
1) the constant attacks, vis-a-vis spurious ethics complaint, enslved her and she was unable effectively to do her job as Governor; and
2) it allows her to attend a “higher calling.”

You also assumed I quit “9 to 5″ jobs to go to other “9 to 5″ jobs. Mayb. But it is a risky assumpton.

davidk on July 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM

I’m in watch mode too. My wife more so. I still think this can play out positively for her but I don’t have much faith in it. Because on it’s face it’s damning. But dare you speak such blasphemy and you will be called an Obama supporter.

oddjob1138 on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Me too, oddjob. It sounded to me like she plans to take on another public role of some kind – we’ll see in time, I’m sure – but even if I’m wrong about that and she retires from public life altogether, I’ll wish her well. She’s done a lot for America already just by heating up the debate and galvanizing the base. But I don’t think we’ve seen the last of her by a long shot.

This whole thing is perplexing, but Levin’s show the other day really cheered me up. I hope he’s right about her strategy.

Rosmerta on July 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM

I’m sure you’re sincere but it is quite clear to me that Palin’s supporters regard any criticism Palin as an attack on her person.

Please don’t tar all Palin supporters with the same brush. That is just as big a problem as any Palin supporters tarring everyone who thought this move was a big mistake with the same brush.

For my money, Ed and AP’s initial comments on Friday were unpersuasive. To say her political careeer is definitively over because of this move is silly. It discounts history (where many previously written-off candidates have gone on to great success) and it is unnecessarily premature. Anybody could have written a “let’s wait and see” post and opened discussion with that. It was Ed who made a definitive statement and I see no reason why commenters shouldn’t be able to take issue with it.

I support Palin but I am willing to discuss this move rationally. However, I’ve seen mudflinging from both sides all weekend. So don’t blame it all on the “Palinistas.”

Missy on July 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Reading here, and on other blogs where thoughtful analysis of Palin’s departure has been offered by our familiar pundits, has proven one thing beyond any doubt.

Conservative responders are just as reactionary, just as devoid of thought, just as kneejerk, just as vulgar and just as stupid as Obama supporters.

Good Lord, how much Palin kool-aid have some of you had? Time to empty the glass. She’s a politician, she’s not God. And for some of you men in lust, it just might be time for a long cold shower.

Lynn2008 on July 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Apparently some conservative pundits can dish it out but they can’t take it. It’s ok for Ed, et al. to say that a decision made by Sarah Palin is “career-ending” but it’s not ok for the people who patronize their sites to disagree with their opinions? or is it just not ok to strongly disagree?

rcw on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Disagree all you want. Their problem is not with you disagreeing, but with people calling them RINOs. Or claiming they never supported Palin, despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Or accusing them of being Romney shills. There’s been a rush by some to impugn their motives and that’s not fair.

Trent1289 on July 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Well, tell you what, if those of you who whine about the vitriol you receive when you criticize Palin stop calling her supporters “cultists”, then maybe you’ll receive some courtesy in return. Until then, though, you deserve all the vitriol you get.

clearbluesky on July 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM

MB4: shouldn’t that poem be credited to Ace the XIV?

HTL on July 6, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Yes. Thank you.

MB4 on July 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Her main reason was that she could no longer effectively govern due to the attacks on her

Which I think was also a bad move on her part. She came into this campaign saying she was a fighter who could handle it (the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull…). And it’s one of the things I loved about her.

She wasn’t talking about being a lame-duck for Alaska, but for doing anything to help this nation fight the insanity coming out of Washington. This is what confused so many and why the term “lame-duck” wasn’t the right one.

And yet she was talking about the Alaskan people, so there was certainly confusion in her speech on that point.

She stayed until she figured that there was nothing she could do from the governorship in Alaska. The lame-duck thing from just above.

OK, but do you actually believe there was nothing else she could do there at all to help in the next 16 months?

Given by the Constitution, but not respected by Washington or the courts. This is the problem. Palin also talked about this with respect to the Porkulus cash: “Even those debt-ridden stimulus dollars that would force the heavy hand of federal government into our communities with an “all-knowing attitude”

progressoverpeace on July 6, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Agreed, and yet, I can’t believe she’s in a better position to fight that as a private citizen than as governor of Alaska. Do you?

Esthier on July 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM

Ed, is dead wrong about something else, Sarah Palin is a politician, but “Sarah Palin” is short hand for the Reagan wing of the party that has been at war with the “Mitt Romney” (or Gerald Ford or Nelson Rockefeller) wing of the party for going on 40 years now…

Nat Hound on July 6, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Another cultist speaks.

Sarah Palin is not the Grand Marshall of the conservative movement. She’s not The Only Woman Who Can Save America. She isn’t a movement or Our Only Hope.

She’s a politician. One few of us paid the slightest attention to 16 months ago. Those of you placing all your eggs in the Palin basket did so irrationally, and her resignation- which makes a successful 2012 run nearly impossible- has resulted in a lot of irrational comments.

She’ll still have a role to play, but let’s not act like the Republican party and the conservative movement revolves around and is completely dependent upon the fate of Sarah Palin.

Hollowpoint on July 6, 2009 at 3:31 PM

I am a strong supporter of Palin, and voted for her in the last election, but I don’t believe it’s wrong to think critically about her actions.

For me it’s not so much that Ed or Ace (I’ll leave out Allah, since he’s never liked her) criticized Palin, it’s that they toed the line. In their postings, both Ed and Ace, seem to realize that the conservative movement can’t carry on business as usual, but when Sarah Palin upends the “business as usual” boat, Ed and Ace make snap judgments and use the “business as usual” party line with which to criticize Palin.

Ed and Ace want to pretend that they’re above the good ole boy fray, but the tone of their criticism shows just how indoctrinated they are into that network.

haikusrock on July 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Say it aint true, you mean Ace, Ed, AP, et all who dole out criticism of Sarah Palin by the scarlet buckets in turn don’t want their ‘motive’s’ or loyalty or even common sense questioned? He who lives by the sword dies by it.

If that makes me blindly loyal in your eyes to Sarah Palin, so be it, It’s rather short-sighted of you in oh so many ways. My support of Sarah Palin is founded in the fact that as a politician she has predicated political performance on principle. She practiced the conservative values she preached. I thought as conservatives we shared those values, but apparently this week they are not convenient to the beltway narrative.

You do her no service, as you apparently THINK you do, by pointing out flaws that are from your own imaginings and whining like a scalded dog when flaws in your own premature thinking are pointed out (no small irony that you think SP is ‘running away from criticism – when this post is nothing if not WHINING ABOUT CRITICISM!)

We do think differently, and I do think you are wrong, and it goes beyond your flailing assessment of a political move you make no effort to understand. When you call Sarah Palin supporters “Palinistas” you cross the line. When you compare those of us that see in her a standard bearer for our political ideology to the fruit cakes that voted for the magic negro so they could liberate white guilt or satisfy a long yearning for racial equality with no consideration of the contents of that skin – frankly that comparison is insulting in the extreme. Cheap cheap shot.

As a woman I am dismayed at the testosterone requirements for leadership in the GOP. Maybe if female leaders aren’t needed – female voters aren’t either. It’s something my republican women friends and I are wondering, watching your treatment of her. I watch and I am appalled and offended.

The double standard here is staggering, and you got called on it – perhaps that’s the rub – think about it.

Conservatives are careful about who they respect; a general loss of respect has run rampant this week on both sides. Smooth move, guys. Way to drive out conservatives from the GOP. You want a hardened opposition to Romney, you’ve got it.

Cult of personality, Ed? Epic fail. Epic epic fail. Trying taking some of the advice you so freely give Palin. Can’t shut up and take it, eh? Hypocrit.

Carolina Kat on July 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

“Palin is not a principle. Palin is a politician.”

But…aren’t you the guys who insist our principles have to be tossed by the GOP, because they don’t sustain politicians?

Funny how none of our advocates are good enough to keep around, ain’t it? Palin, nope, no, no way. Toomey, well maybe in another state, but… and Rubin, really bad timing, and blind to the “political realities” in Florida.

You do indeed have a sinister purpose…to edge out all the “polarizing” conservatives from the GOP. It’s gotta belong to guys like Romney, who is pro-life when political reality will allow it, supports compulsory insurance, and wants everybody to know the stimulus wasn’t really a bad idea, just that he wasn’t in the White House to guide it…

Chris_Balsz on July 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Palin kool-aid
She’s a politician, she’s not God.
Lynn2008 on July 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM

2 strawmen at once from this troll. Good work.

Please paste in any comment at HA where our Benevolent Goddess Sarah was declared God.

faraway on July 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

A.) I don’t think anyone demands there be no criticism (other some freepers, maybe).

kevinkristy on July 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I see you haven’t met Jenfidel…

Upstater85 on July 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Yep, lol, that’s one bitter chick.

I think that AP’s argument can be used for other conservatives with large cult like following such as Rush, Sean, Beck. They are just off limits when it comes to criticism.

True_King on July 6, 2009 at 3:33 PM

If Ace was intending to teach a lesson in respectful dissent, he failed miserably. Does he kiss his mother with that mouth? I can handle a blogger not being a Palin fan, but after a rant like that I won’t be visiting his site.

rcw on July 6, 2009 at 3:34 PM

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