Obama: Hey, let’s bypass the Senate on treaty ratifications
posted at 2:40 pm on July 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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After listening to the Democrats screech for the last two years about the rule of law, this Jake Tapper report should be surprising …. but it’s not. Apparently, Barack Obama finds treaty ratification a little too complicated, and so he figures he can just commit the US to nuclear disarmament and bypass Congressional oversight:
With the clock running out on a new US-Russian arms treaty before the previous Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, expires on December 5, a senior White House official said Sunday said that the difficulty of the task might mean temporarily bypassing the Senate’s constitutional role in ratifying treaties by enforcing certain aspects of a new deal on an executive levels and a “provisional basis” until the Senate ratifies the treaty.
“The most ideal situation would be to finish it in time that it could be submitted to the Senate so that it can be ratified,” said White House Coordinator for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security and Arms Control Gary Samore. “If we’re not able to do that, we’ll have to look at arrangements to continue some of the inspection provisions, keep them enforced in a provisional basis, while the Senate considers the treaty.”
Samore said administration lawyers are exploring the “different options that are available. One option is that both sides could agree to continue the inspections by executive agreement; that would work on our side. On the Russian side, as I understand it, that would require Duma approval.”
The fact that the administration is preparing for such an extraordinary measure shows just how much pressure the two administrations are under to arrive at an agreement before the 18-year-old treaty expires.
Uh, pardon me, but how many seats in the Senate does Obama’s party hold? Isn’t it 60? If Obama is simply moving forward with a straightforward, supportable treaty with Russia to reduce nuclear stockpiles in an effective verification system, why couldn’t he get a quick ratification? The GOP gave George H. W. Bush enough support in 1991 to pass the original START treaty, so it’s not as if ratification would be impossibly complicated.
Well, that is, if the deal actually does put in place an effective verification system and doesn’t amount to a de facto unilateral disarmament. With exactly five months to win Senate approval, the effort by the Obama White House in floating this idea now makes it sound like Obama wants to give away the store in order to score some points with his 1980s no-nukes agenda. And as much as the Democrats howled over the supposed devotion of George Bush to a “unitary executive,” Obama seems to have no trouble bypassing the check on executive power for treaty negotiation written explicitly into the Constitution, in Article II, Section 2:
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
Words. Just words.
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missed that. tks.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Now gaze on our goddess of justice
With her shimmering, glimmering blade
As she kisses Fuhrer Obama she will sing him a last serenade
The world may be ugly, but each man must do what he must
Give in Fuhrer Obama, in a year you will be fascist dust
Now come let our Lady of Justice possess you
In her breathtaking, hair-raising bed
She will tingle your spine
As she captures your heart and your head
PercyB on July 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443726415&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Well the Israeli sub is apparently returning. Not sure I am buying this just yet.
Yeah I know that, but the way the dude on AJ was saying it was as if this was some recent nefarious plot by the US. Like we shipped all this down last week, or something. And he was saying these American trained people were rampaging around murdering innocents.
Is it just me, or does the world seem poised to just blow up? I keep seeing that scene in “Sky Captain” where the bad guy lights this one fuse which leads to a mother load of explosives. It feels like we are waiting for someone to light the fuse.
freeus on July 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM
Another bit of loveliness about air space “permission” is that what was given can always be rescinded, on almost any excuse. However, such a move would make Obama look silly and ineffectual because there is nothing he could do about it besides bluster. It would also leave our troops in harms way bigtime, cutoff against a major counterattack or need for resupply.
Obama is such a GOOD Leader! /sac
GunRunner on July 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM
God help us, and I’m truly going to ask him to. Prayer has a powerful effect on the one doing the praying.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 9:05 PM
More like 10,000 to 15,000 nautical mile range depending on how much snorkling it does….
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 9:06 PM
perfect.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 9:07 PM
The war made no legal determinations.
We are a union of sovereign states, not a national collection of subservient states. Each state entered into the union voluntarily and can leave the same way. If you think not, find me the Constitutional phrasing that says so. There is none.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 9:08 PM
Thanks. I still don’t quite get what the purpose of sending the Iranians that message about Egypt’s intentions in any future war are.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Unless you think that the federal government is allowed to do absolutely anything it wants? Because that is the consequence of having all of the states permanently locked in.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Well somebody had better clue in to the Russian interest in Africa as well as what Coldwarrior said about the former Soviet block countries.
http://www.heritage.org//Press/Commentary/ed070109b.cfm
freeus on July 5, 2009 at 9:13 PM
0bama needs to be removed from office.
cjs1943 on July 5, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Some good news. Breitbart just mentioned Zelaya and the landihng attempt in Tegucigalpa. Hopefully he will broadcast some news about it.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Debt Star Officer: “But resistance will continue to grow in the Imperial Senate…”
General Tarkin: “The Emperor has permanently dissolved that council.”
Debt Star Officer: “Impossible! How will the Emperor maintain control?”
General Tarkin: “The State Governors now have direct responsibility over their territories. Fear. Fear of our Military will keep the local counties in line.”
Funny how the narrative works, eh?
GunRunner on July 5, 2009 at 9:17 PM
It was probably about the same thing that Bill Clinton said to Monica as he shot a load of you-know-what into her mouth.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Thanks for the link…a must read.
What is not being discussed, from what I have seen, is why Russian is cozying up to Nigeria and Angola (and quite a few other oil producing nations…and, yes, Venezuela, of course) when Russia has huuuuge reserves of oil and gas within her own borders?
Certainly not to provide oil for domestic use.
Perhaps to supplant OPEC? Perhaps to be able to control the flow of foreign oil to markets the Russians deem fit to receive such?
In any case, while this Administration is playing at tactics…the Russians are exercising strategy.
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Check Drudge. Breitbart at work.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Gone with the Wind.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Makes a lot of sense. Its a strategic move to counter us. We’re being encricled and contained economically. Oil is our achilles heel.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Now I’m really starting to worry about the amateur in chief being in charge of our security. What did he already give away to the Russians in return for their granting us fly space to Afghanistan? Now if he could trade away Nancy or Hillary, that would be sweet.
Kissmygrits on July 5, 2009 at 9:31 PM
well, hell, we don’t want to harm SMELTS, so we can’t drill for oil here.
kelley in virginia on July 5, 2009 at 9:32 PM
System of checks and balances? Obama don’t need no stinkin’ system of checks and balances!
Messianic Complex? No, not much. Yikes.
kingsjester on July 5, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Oh please…Hillary is a non-issue at this point in time…Pelosi okay, but Hillary…stick a freakin’ fork in her…
ladyingray on July 5, 2009 at 9:33 PM
Among civilized nations, the mere thought could be construed as an Act of War.
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 9:34 PM
And how is the Senate handling this? Are they pleased? What on earth did we ever do to deserve this dingy in the WH? These next 4.5 years are going to be the longest in history unless something happens to force this nut out of office.
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 9:34 PM
1294 days till inauguration of a new President…
Let’s not give him any more time than that. Please?
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Citizens: Hey, let’s bypass Congress on Impeachment and removal of this despot!!!
landlines on July 5, 2009 at 9:38 PM
This bloody vile man you have in your country’s White House has become monstrous intolerable.
PercyB on July 5, 2009 at 9:39 PM
That’s also why the Lefties keep trying to eliminate the Electoral College.
onlineanalyst on July 5, 2009 at 9:41 PM
HEY COLDWARRIOR,
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed050909f.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed050109b.cfm
SPOT ON DUDE! SPOT ON!
freeus on July 5, 2009 at 9:46 PM
And here he talks about Russia perhaps also making moves to get rid of NATO.
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed040609a.cfm
freeus on July 5, 2009 at 9:48 PM
Honduras: The Worldwide “progressive movement” is calling to organize a “permanent movement” to “resist” and “revolutionize” Honduras in order to “bring down” the “failed” right wing government.
via Telesur…
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 9:49 PM
I thought that NATO was effectively pronounced dead the minute the French were let back in to full membership. That was supposed to be the great accomplishment of The Precedent’s first Traitor Tour to Europe.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM
Thanks. If these aren’t some of the best reasons against cap & trade then we’re too far gone to save. After the administration makes it too costly to drill domestically and the oil companies have moved assets overseas he will understand what a true energy crisis is.
HoustonRight on July 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM
our country is going to have a helluva energy crisis. i can heat with wood if necessary. but i will really miss you guys at HotAir.
and damn, i will miss a cold Diet Coke in the summertime. double damn.
kelley in virginia on July 5, 2009 at 9:58 PM
In the parameters of what Russia envisions, only European nations could take part in a “European” mutual defense arrangement.
Thus, hypothetically, of course, the Russians, being the predominant party to all of this, would effectively “guarantee” the well-being of the Euro-partners. [And they have leverage beyond military means…that GasProm pipeline…it has made a severe impact on how a good number of European nations have done their business over the past few years, as one example of non-military persuasion.
But what about NATO? And the US? Canada? Not European nations. Thus, hypothetically, in order to do anything of a military nature vis-a-vis Europe, under the proposed Russian model, all member states would have to give permission. No permission, end of discussion.
Thus, if we were, for example, to have a military force deployed in the Mid East…getting there would have to be done “the long way around.”
Peter the Great and Ivan Grozni must be smiling down on their young and newest Tsar of All the Russias…Vladimir I for his seemingly trying to do what they could never have done, and at a far cheaper expense.
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 10:02 PM
He (the Pres) will not. He is now a rich guy, who will get richer off his freinds paying him off once out of office.
Its the poor in America who will suffer, as their jobs go away… as the manufacturing of America is sent overseas to countries that do not have energy problems.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Perhaps some of Obama’s time (and the senate’s time, ahem!) could be freed up by tabeling the new healthcare initiative. Seems to me that strategic arms reduction would be a tad more important to, um, national security?
…just sayin…
LEBA on July 5, 2009 at 10:03 PM
I’m in the give him less time than that camp. By any means necessary. Impeachment, pressure on Congress, making him a lame duck after taking back Congress from the rats in 2010… Even a million taxpayer march on DC to surround the White House and make a point that even the filthy street thug and his illegal shadow government cannot miss or dismiss. Any mean necessary to stop this evil bastard before he does any more damage to my great grandkids future.
highhopes on July 5, 2009 at 10:06 PM
The question I’d like to see asked of Obama and the Congress…
How is cap and tax going to deal with the 2-3+ billion people or more in the world who burn carbon directly to feed themselves, warm themselves or fashion basic implements? A lot more carbon hits the atmosphere from these folks than comes from our industries…the few we have left, that is.
You know, those unwashed masses who burn wood, cow dung, camel dung, and forge iron implements in their backyards…sorta like we will be doing a couple decades down the road?
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Which would be another reason the Russians want to completely, and totally kill NATO. I know, NATO is useless, and in particular in Afghanistan. However in some ways the French are, as we all have noted, moving further away from socialism. Well at least compared to the rate we are rushing towards Fascism. Sarkozy can be a threat, and so can Merkel IF they are not dependent on oil sources which could lead to Russia, or Iran.
I know France has heavy nuclear power, but they still use oil. I still wonder why the Drill Here Drill Now folks did not point out, at least when I heard them, that not only could we get off OPEC, ($430 billion dollars from us), but we could also produce enough oil to help our allies. Which would also bring in more revenues for us.
Putin would want to weaken OPEC because they really are the “masters of the universe”. If he weakened them, completely shut them down, Putin then would basically control the world. His assistants will be China, Venezuela, and Iran.
We are living in some truly crazy, perilous, freaky times.
freeus on July 5, 2009 at 10:08 PM
From Honduras Abandoned: A link to what it believed to be the staged AP photo.
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 10:09 PM
…Except that I notice it’s actually Reuters, which isn’t inconsistent with the report.
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 10:11 PM
doriangrey on July 5, 2009 at 10:14 PM
Beautiful:
Almost missed this tidbit from earlier:
Chavez says Zelaya needs to be returned to power the rightwingers need to be defeated at all costs and that elections need to be suspended permanently.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Its very simple… they know that CO2 warming the atmosphere any further is a lie, therfore, they only worry about the power grab.
CO2 IS a Greenhouse gas, problem is that all the energy in the IR wavelengths that CO2 absorbs is already being absorbed… adding more will NOT add to the temperature increase due to the CO2 warming affect.
http://www.nov55.com/atmo.html
This chart is a visual representation of the absorbtion spectrum of CO2, and the amount already being absorbed by our atomsphere.
CO2 is a non player. In order for CO2 to warm the atmosphere further, you would have to increase the amount of ENERGY within those wavelengths…
CO2 is a Greenhouse gas, but its already peaked as to the effect it will have on the atmosphere.
So, they really don’t care, they HAVE to know this is a lie if some silly military educated guy can see this.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Highhopes: Brilliant plan!! Million taxpayer march! Brilliant.
If you haven’t already EVERYBODY should read Joel Rosenberg’s book Epicenter then read his 5 book series of novels. He’s been right on and this latest development further proves the man has a gift.
My prayer regarding O: “Father God, change his heart or remove him and his cronies from office by any means necessary.”
Hold on to your hats, folks. We live in interesting times.
Driefromseattle on July 5, 2009 at 10:16 PM
er, wait. i won’t be able to warm myself with a wood fire because burning wood will be illegal.
we could all migrate like hummingbirds. down to florida & the border in the wintertime & up to the Dakotas in the summertime. course, we won’t be driving.
let me think on this. i know there is a solution out there.
kelley in virginia on July 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM
http://wavcentral.com/cgi-bin/log/log.cgi?id=802&sound=/sounds/movies/hotshots/hotsht04.mp3
Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM
May not matter… there have been hundreds of Tea Partys in the last 3 days, with 10s of thousands in attendance…
Media coverage? ZERO… even on Fox.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM
India…well they think there is too much dependence on the dollar…
Since Obama has already put his rupees on the Moslems, that Cairo Kow Tow a few weeks back, how is Obama going to have any leverage with India? India produces more and better than all the Moslem countries combined. Take away oil…“Drill Here! Drill Now!!”…and the Moslem countries provide what, exactly, as major portions of the global economy?
Once we go Green (non-petro energy and all that)…do the sand dunes revert back, to sand dunes?
Somebody might want to get this little tidbit out to the sheiks…and fast.
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 10:19 PM
None of the major media could report on it without going in to the old juvenile “tea bagging” commentary, so they chose not to report on it at all. That’s my take.
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Obama is rapidly reaching that point where words can no longer describe his sheer, undiluted, relentless level of bad judgment and outright idiocy.(you’ll notice I’m using up a lot of words before this event happens)Where did that ’smart’ label come from? And, why have I been buying into it?
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM
It’s just a new twist on Joseph Goebbels axiom, instead of repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth, this version is refuse to report on an event and the event never happened.
doriangrey on July 5, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Yeah, I was hoping Palin would show up at a Tea Party this weekend… then the media would have HAD to cover it, at least in passing…
Guess they were all to busy checking their email for Whacko Jacko Funeral Show tickets.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Media coverage? ZERO… even on Fox.
Probably not lost on the local and state pols though.
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 10:29 PM
From Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals…
“RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.”
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Considering the near total news blackout who really knows whether she did or not???
doriangrey on July 5, 2009 at 10:32 PM
Saul Alinsky by the glorious grace of God, is currently having his rectum abused by a very angry demon in a lake of eternal fire. And, no…. Saul is not enjoying his eternal rest one bit.
doriangrey on July 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Ridicule, though, cuts both ways. It could conceivably boil down to which side does the best ridiculing. If this quote is referring to Sarah, she needs to hire writers who can give her ‘ridiculers’ as good as she gets or some other means to level the field. The feminists would be prime targets on this front for example—their very narrowness makes them easy targets for good sharp tongues or well executed cartoons. Some of the overly serious conservative talking heads on FOX could do more of this than they do.
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 10:47 PM
+1
remember Bobby Byrd will NOT feel the need to “school” Ogabe….
“that’s OUR totalitarianism now”
sven10077 on July 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Ed needs to check what Stae Department Legal Advisor Harold Koh may be advising here. Koh’s transnational legal theory does not believe in the popular sovereignty of the U.S. Constitution.
Wake up, people. Obama does not believe in democracy, but in rule by elites. He is an authoritarian socialist.
Phil Byler on July 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Not sure it’s even ‘rule by elites’. More like rule by him.
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 10:59 PM
authoritarian socialist is the best case, frankly I think he is a Balkanizing Totalitarian Oligarch…under our Constitution $ociali$m shouldn’t be able to use different payouts based on race/gender….I assure you Ogabe doesn’t want to read the 13th, 14th, or 15th amendments too hard…
13th…what is Kleptocracy but slavery?
14th his arbogation of coning [contracts and thugocracy vis a vis “pitchforks” shows his love for “rule of law”
15th….ACORN is an organized end around with regards to the sanctity of the electoral and apportioning
sven10077 on July 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Obama:http://wavcentral.com/cgi-bin/log/log.cgi?id=1054&sound=/sounds/movies/jerk/jerk01.mp3
Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Rule by me and my guys but yeah Ogabe Chavez
sven10077 on July 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM
http://wavcentral.com/cgi-bin/log/log.cgi?id=1054&sound=/sounds/movies/jerk/jerk01.mp3
Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Thank God we have a moral man for our president; one who immediately stood up for freedom and justice when the oppressed and abused people of Iran cried out for help.
The Honduran people may rest easy; Obama will champion your cause, just as soon as he gets finished giving Chavez a
blow jobsevere tongue-lashing.And pigs truly can fly.
/
We have gone from a shining beacon on a hill to a steaming heap of shit in record time.
hillbillyjim on July 5, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Phil Byler on July 5, 2009 at 10:54 PM
Ahh, Harold Koh…
As have most of Obama’s critical picks (other than Hillary, who was given State to keep her out of the way) has anyone noticed a pattern? All have baggage, but all have been declared by the White House and the Dem Congress as indispensable and vital to the Obama Administration…hence, Koh, Geithner, Steven Chu…and soon to be approved by the Dem Senate, Sotomayor, among others.
Each has a pre-ordained role in all of this…Koh’s believing that international law and international custom overrules the US Constitution when it comes to US foreign policy; Geithner who brought us the worst economic model since FDR tried to spend his way out of the Great Depression; Chu, who believes that anything carbon is evil and yes, we can power cars and trucks with solar and wind; and Sotomayor who believes that racial preferences aren’t preferences when they serve to shut whites (and Hispanics, re: Ricci) out of the equation…and the Constitution isn’t all that important when it comes to law…Latina Power takes precedence.
Each has a part to play…
The end game…that is what needs to be found out, documented, and broadcast and countered at every turn before we can no longer do much at all about it.
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Some thoughts on this afternoons Honduras crisis:
Listening to Chavez and Zelaya earlier this is some of what stood out off the top of my head…
1) That this was a propaganda ploy and an effort to foment violence and confrontation this afternoon in order to justify who knows what in the coming days.
2) Zelaya had what I think was the most illuminating comment this afternoon when he said that Obama supports him, that Obama understands what he is trying to do, because Obama is trying the same types of “reforms” in the US and that he knows that Obama knows he will soon be facing the same type of resistance from the American right and society. He then called for a new global social order and a new global economic order.
3) Chavez called Obama a “prisoner of the empire” but that he hoped that Obama would continue to speak out against Israel and Honduras as well as continue to “erode” the American “empire”. Basically he denounced the US but not Obama who he thinks is a swell guy.
4) Chavez also said he will lead the “people” against the oligarchs, the military, and the “rightwingers” in the entire hemisphere. Today was a both a historic day when a new “offensive” by the left against the fascists began but also a day when the entire leftist cause hung in the balance due to the first real pushback he (Chavez) and the leftists have faced.
that’s it for now…
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 11:08 PM
Obama is touted by all, including us at HA, as smart. No longer accept this. The evidence is just not there. If he were smart, at least some of the things he’s done/doing would make things better instead of worse. If he were smart he would be trying to appeal to all or most sides in controversies. If he were smart, he wouldn’t be spending all his time in front of the camera, he’d be actually working. If he were smart he would not keep pontificating and then having to back track… I could go on…but this is enough. He’s NOT smart, he’s stupid.
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 11:08 PM
No, jeanie, he is smart. He is smart in a cold-blooded, calculating, devious, hateful way…and so long as he can make promises too many Americans want to believe, despite the evidence to the contrary, Obama will accomplish the greatest public act of jury nullification in our history.
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 11:11 PM
And the American Media?
“Hey, CBS, ya gonna cover Jacko’s funeral? if so, we’ll get the bar tab if you get dinner!”
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Snorting and pawing the earth. Gonna be pretty hard to walk this one back, though. I hope Tapper asks Gibbs about Obama’s take on it.
a capella on July 5, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Thanks for the translations.
a capella on July 5, 2009 at 11:15 PM
I disagree. If he were dumb, at least one or two things he did would make things better completely by accident.
If he’s malevolent, however, then that would explain why everything he does hurts the nation.
I don’t think he’s very smart, but he’s not just making dumb mistakes. He’s deliberately destroying the economy, behaving lawlessly, and ushering in a socialist/fascist government.
Daggett on July 5, 2009 at 11:16 PM
no problemos. least i could do.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM
coldwarrior on July 5, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Rush agrees with you, says O is full of anger and hate(as you probably already know). Not sure that I do though,(except the anger, I do agree with that). If he were truly smart, he’d hide this and make it easier on himself and his goals. Gain trust that way and slide into power easily with both sides cheering for him(at least somewhat). The truly smart, as I see it, play a subtle but winning game where the other side does not suspect it’s been had until it’s too late, like chess or bridge, sort of.. He’s about as subtle and clever as a tank rolling over the enemy.
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Although clearly no genius, I think he is much more smart than stupid. It might be wise for him, in the long run, if he didn’t risk overreaching so much, true, but he can’t help himself, like the Scorpion, it’s in his nature.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 11:29 PM
It all depends on what he’s really doing. I think he’s trying to precipitate a national crisis with civil unrest by trashing the economy and the dollar. That will give him the “excuse” to declare martial law, suspend the constitution (as if he follows it anyway), and “rebuild” the nation as a socialist nation under his rule.
If I’m right, then he can’t do that patiently. He has to make it happen faster than he — and possibly his democratic support in the congress — can be replaced.
He’s leaving himself some wiggle room by funding ACORN, rigging the census and bringing in illegal aliens to build up his voter base. If he has to wait until 2010 or even 2012 to pull it off, he wants to make sure dems won’t lose big in congress, and he can’t possibly lose the election.
Daggett on July 5, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Nope, Bambi has managed to take Patton’s tactics, and apply them to politics.
Patton was all about combined arms, giving your opponent too many things to worry about at one time… putting him off balance and unable to effectivly create a strategy to combat you… and once off balance, continue to attack… get him reeling so he cannot organize his defenses.
This is what Obama has managed to do… we go from crises to crises, and he pushes his agenda though so fast no one has time to organize an effective resistance…
Look at the last Cap and Trade vote… Bill hit the floor, and then was modified… all while the Press was having an orgasm over Jackson. Except for the internet, there was no effective organized resistance.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Barack Obama is an even more interesting and challenging patient than Hillary Clinton. While Hillary’s multiple personalities cross over her many multiple past heroic lives, as she related it to me when I had her under past life regression hypnosis anyway, such as her being straight shooting hard drinking Annie Oakley in her most recent past life and an heroic defender along with her next in command a General George S. Patton of the Alamo against Giant Vikings in the one before that, Barack has two very distinctive personalties at the same time right now in the present and in my sessions with him he goes back and forth between the two. He doesn’t seem to be able to make up his mind which he wants to be. I have named the one personality Homie Obama and the other Squire Obama.
Homie Obama is an angry Black man who found his soul mate in Michelle the angry hate America Black woman of his dreams and in Jeremiah Wright the God damn America and curse all things whitey firebrand mentor he had been searching for.
Squire Obama on the other hand is an upper class elitist white liberal in the John Kerry mode who really very much wanted to marry a rich white woman and only married Michelle instead as he needed to establish his Black cover and sought out Jeremiah Wright simply to gain his Black credentials or in the vernacular “creds”.
This is making treating him most difficult as it is most vexing to determine if he is coming or going, an upper class elitist white liberal very much in the mode of John Kerry or an angry ghetto Black man.
At my advanced age and state of decomposition I can hardly be expected to treat both of Barak’s contradictory personalities and still have enough time to have a reasonable chance of making any significant progress treating Hillary which is pretty much a full time job in and of itself.
Sigmund on July 5, 2009 at 11:38 PM
This ‘Present’ Administration,is heading at high
speed,to ‘Dictatorship City’,me thinks!!(Sarc).
canopfor on July 5, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Israel has a peace treaty with Egypt and plans to honor that. Egypt, as others in the area, are concerned with Irans intentions with the bomb and know Israel can bottle or throttle Iran.
dthorny on July 5, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Just in and pardon me for not going through the 500+ comments one by one…
I’m wondering, just what is the advantage of scraping our nuclear arsenal? Is there some Fail Safe script out there that suddenly pushes Putin and whoever is POTUS to swap gamma rays and overpressure? I see no reason to turn into Carthaginians because it feels good. Scipio’s Army isn’t at the gates.
Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:46 PM
“It all depends on what he’s really doing”
You mean touting some goals which mask but actually support his real motives? Could be. Many seem to think so. Your scenario seems some far fetched though(I hope). I do think that parts of him and Michelle hate this country and all the Wright stuff he heard was actually internalized, deeply. Also, he doesn’t understand large parts of it, us, for example. You cannot spend large chunks of your life in Indonesia and on the planet Hawaii and come out of it thinking like a grass roots American. But, I’ll never again think of him as smart..or maybe I should use the word wise since he may be academically smart or something.
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 11:46 PM
This should be a big story tomorrow that probably won’t even be mentioned. However, if conservative blogs got the ball rolling then talk radio would probably pick it up, and maybe even Fox News if they could manage to pull their heads out of Jacko’s rear end for a spell.
Let Obama’s silence tacitly signal his complicity or let him disavow their endorsement claims head on, but make him do so publicly, for the record.
Unfortunately, Ed and AP probably don’t even realize Honduras was discussed in this thread so are unaware. Liberal pool reporters aren’t likely to report this so Fox News will probably never learn of it. Perhaps, Elduende, if you could find some video or a transcript and carefully translate it, if necessary, and email it to AP and Ed with your observations, perhaps they will post a thread on it tomorrow to get the ball rolling.
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM
That’s because you’re approaching the entire thing like a doctor. Try looking at it from the perspective of a veterinarian.
RushBaby on July 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Left morons. Yeah, those blue helmets have done wonders in places like, um, Rwanda, Somalia, Serbia.
Idiots don’t even understand that they’re calling for a surrender of national sovereignty – which, of course, is just as Obammy and his Topbuddy Hugo wish it to be.
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM
I have a sense of deja vu in this thread that makes this repost appropriate:
No joke. He has also studied how power can be leveraged in a society and is trying to effectively wrest control over centers of gravity and exploit our critical vulnerabilities in the same way warfighters operate.
The whole Cloward-Piven Strategy with Alinsky’s tactics is really a form of warfare with the end goal of making the Constitution moot and/or collapsing the society. So when people wonder why it seems like Obama is essentially waging a 100 Day Campaign against America from inside the White House, it’s basically because he is.
econavenger on May 4, 2009 at 5:09 PM
econavenger on July 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM
I think we need to consider that Obama’s citing the need to save START by bypassing the Senate is not necessarily truly about the START treaty or even our dealings with Russia. I think the possibility exists that he is seeking to obtain unilateral executive treaty making power in order to sign the US onto the UN’s Law of the Sea Treaty, known as LOST, the most apt acronym ever.
LOST is essentially One World Government in it’s breadth and scope, it can dictate all activities that take place on any landmass that drains to the sea, it puts the worst corruptocrats in recent history in charge of divvying up natural resources, but worst of all it would make the UN independently and lavishly funded therefore accountable to no one and a menace to all. Remember that Obama in the Senate was pushing for a massive tax to fix global poverty, his destructive plans are not limited to the nation he pretends to love.
I think Obama is working on his biggest and most dangerous power grab yet.
Maquis on July 5, 2009 at 11:52 PM
I think you hit it there… I’ve known many very very smart folks (world class genius types) who couldn’t balance their own checkbooks.
There is a hubris that often comes with very high intelligence… where you think because you are smart, you are smart in all things… problem is that intelligence often manifests itself in very strict areas, those you are interested in, and you tend to ignore things outside your area of interest.
Our question then becomes, what is his real area of interest? What is his real endgame scenario?
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Congress will just rubber stamp what he wants anyway.
The energy tax might be a different matter because so many are aware of it and a lot of the Dems’ constituents are probably raising Cain about it…but stuff about Congress ratifying treaties will just go by most people without notice because they figure it really doesn’t affect them.
Dr. ZhivBlago on July 5, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Throw spike stripes out and then tell them to land.
izoneguy on July 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM
This is the kind of think that happens when you have a moron for a president and don’t have a critical press.
crosspatch on July 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Limerick has gone back to topic–probably good idea on his/her part. I’d love to be a fly on the wall and hear what Putin really thinks of Obama.
jeanie on July 5, 2009 at 11:56 PM
I believe, in my heart of hearts, it is Rushmore. I know that sounds like some cockamamy Hollyweird script, but that is how I view Barry. That is his true goal. He wants his book to overshadow Caesar’s Commentaries by a thousand fold.
Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Odd that you should mention veterinarian as a veterinarian colleague of mine was actually hired by the White house to treat the new Obama families’ dog. However they fired him when he asked Michelle Obama to climb up on his examining table, even though it was certainly a natural enough mistake to make on his part.
Sigmund on July 5, 2009 at 11:58 PM
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