Obama: Hey, let’s bypass the Senate on treaty ratifications
posted at 2:40 pm on July 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
After listening to the Democrats screech for the last two years about the rule of law, this Jake Tapper report should be surprising …. but it’s not. Apparently, Barack Obama finds treaty ratification a little too complicated, and so he figures he can just commit the US to nuclear disarmament and bypass Congressional oversight:
With the clock running out on a new US-Russian arms treaty before the previous Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, expires on December 5, a senior White House official said Sunday said that the difficulty of the task might mean temporarily bypassing the Senate’s constitutional role in ratifying treaties by enforcing certain aspects of a new deal on an executive levels and a “provisional basis” until the Senate ratifies the treaty.
“The most ideal situation would be to finish it in time that it could be submitted to the Senate so that it can be ratified,” said White House Coordinator for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security and Arms Control Gary Samore. “If we’re not able to do that, we’ll have to look at arrangements to continue some of the inspection provisions, keep them enforced in a provisional basis, while the Senate considers the treaty.”
Samore said administration lawyers are exploring the “different options that are available. One option is that both sides could agree to continue the inspections by executive agreement; that would work on our side. On the Russian side, as I understand it, that would require Duma approval.”
The fact that the administration is preparing for such an extraordinary measure shows just how much pressure the two administrations are under to arrive at an agreement before the 18-year-old treaty expires.
Uh, pardon me, but how many seats in the Senate does Obama’s party hold? Isn’t it 60? If Obama is simply moving forward with a straightforward, supportable treaty with Russia to reduce nuclear stockpiles in an effective verification system, why couldn’t he get a quick ratification? The GOP gave George H. W. Bush enough support in 1991 to pass the original START treaty, so it’s not as if ratification would be impossibly complicated.
Well, that is, if the deal actually does put in place an effective verification system and doesn’t amount to a de facto unilateral disarmament. With exactly five months to win Senate approval, the effort by the Obama White House in floating this idea now makes it sound like Obama wants to give away the store in order to score some points with his 1980s no-nukes agenda. And as much as the Democrats howled over the supposed devotion of George Bush to a “unitary executive,” Obama seems to have no trouble bypassing the check on executive power for treaty negotiation written explicitly into the Constitution, in Article II, Section 2:
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
Words. Just words.










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Thanks.
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Hear, hear. There should be resignations coming from everywhere. But … after listening to Adm. Mullen drop a load of BS about Iran and their nukes (he’s so worried about the unintended consequences of getting rid of Iran’s nuke program) I lost all hope. Our top brass is ball-less.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Uh… No, Democracy and stuffing ballots can be easy.
Following the rule of law and the Constitution is hard.
When Barack Obama calls for some referendums, is Ed really going to be saying how Obama is not following “democracy?”
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM
I ditto the damning to hell sentiment.
rollthedice on July 5, 2009 at 7:00 PM
YES!
I took a long dinner break, so sorry I’m just responding to this now.
Giddy up, there, Komrade ;)
bluelightbrigade on July 5, 2009 at 7:02 PM
What makes you think that? Their religious worshiping of NATO and their belief in meddling with Kosovo?
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Let’s not be too hasty. There’s still an outside chance that
the scheme will be held up to proper constitutional scrutiny.
In Russia.
Barnestormer on July 5, 2009 at 7:02 PM
So, its your view that Obama could allow OTHER countries to comes in and poke around our military bases? With no treaty in place?
I’m pretty sure there are laws about allowing foreign powers to get intelligence about us… I think its called spying.
So, with no treaty in place to Allow that “observation” or spying… how can Obama then break the Laws about espianage?
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Yes. It’s a totally unforced error … unless they plan on doing something. I assume they plan on doing something, and seeing how they don’t mind shredding the COnstitution, anyway, it must be pretty bad for them to be saying stuff like “bypassing the Senate’s Constitutional role” already. If not, then they are just too stupid for words.
Well, you know, CK, it’s no secret what The Precedent wants to do. He wants the US to unilaterally disarm and throw our nukes away.
To be honest, I’m surprised he hasn’t taken our strategic nuclear arsenal to court to get it ruled that it’s in violation of the Geneva Conventions (which it is – though everyone violates Geneva, which is why it is not a serious treaty and never has been) and then say he was forced to strip the US of our defenses.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM
New update from Honduras Abandoned:
INC on July 5, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I would like to agree with you both. But, If our good military leaders resign I worry about our men and women under their command. Besides I ‘d rather have men of honor watching the henhouse.
HoustonRight on July 5, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Sigmund’s reply was done in parallel to Robert Louis Stevenson’s “The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde”, so any desired expansion to it could well be taken from there.
semloh on July 5, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Actually, Kosovo didn’t bother me too much (even though we had no business there and were on the wrong side), but Mullen’s ideas about Iran and nukes scared the living sh!t out me. I’ve never seen so much idiocy on display.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Its getting insane in Honduras
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 7:11 PM
http://www.journal-post.com/forum/video/677-telesur-live-video-stream.html
Live news stream from Honduras, if you speak Spanish.
Enoxo on July 5, 2009 at 7:11 PM
I worry about them, now. If our military brass think that Iranian retaliation for losing their nukes could psosibly be more dangerous than Iran with nukes, then I don’t know what good they are or what they are thinking.
I hear you. And it’s important that Precedent Hussein doesn’t get to stuff the military with his lackeys – very important, but you would imagine that at least one or two people might resign. Just one or two would at least be a sign.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 7:13 PM
The facts are that Russia already knows Obama’s stance on nuclear proliferation, reducing our defences, and supporting the shredding of our constitution. They know more than the majority of Americans.
fourdeucer on July 5, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Lol, I didn’t hear that one, but he’s become the new “Black Jesus”
Every culture has its icons, and it’s heroes whom that culture identifies with in a familiar way.
Palinites do the same thing by referring to her as “‘Cuda” or simply “Sarah”…when a title (alas coming to a conclusion) would suit just fine…So I question arguing people are fanatics just b/c they identify and form familiarity with an icon…
But ya…impeaching the guy’s likely a no-go, just b/c the race riots alone would dwarf those in France a few years back.
And G-d help us if some nut-job shoots the guy…or even attempts it. Can you imagine the Oliver Stone Conspiracy Theories that would ensue?
I mean, ten years ago I would have never thought the insanity levels needed to actually believe 9/11 Trutherism plausible, but some of our fellow(?) Americans are a crafty and imaginative lot.
bluelightbrigade on July 5, 2009 at 7:14 PM
What a hater. You just envy her ripped guns, her world-class fashion sense and her adroitness at organic gardening.
The woman is a Goddess. Goddess.
She has a really cute puppy, too.
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Telesur is Chavez’s channel.
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM
I bet the Ruskies in power haven’t had a nuclear hard-on this large since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Too bad BHO doesn’t have the class to admit when he’s been bested in deliberations the way JFK did.
bluelightbrigade on July 5, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Was the Blood of Christ bit OK’d by Jeremiah Wright?
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I’m getting the distinct impression that Obama thinks he can bloody well do whatever the hell he bloody wants. Aren’t you?
Midas on July 5, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Michelle Obama looks more and more like Assata Shakur every day…at least in her attitude.
bluelightbrigade on July 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM
That’s why you take everything as a grain of salt.
Enoxo on July 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Is the video showing Zelaya’s plane on the ground?
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Well, I understand you on Iran, but I don’t see how Kosovo doesn’t bother you if you agree we had no business there and we were on the wrong side.
These things do cost money, and they do bog us down.
Also, they give Russia “reasons,” to “fear” the US.
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Key word being “thinks”.
Thank G-d for our enemies. At least THEY keep the guy’s ego in check.
bluelightbrigade on July 5, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Huge caveat. Telesur is a Venezuelan State Chavez propaganda channel.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:19 PM
No, it’s trucks and soldiers in combat positions with weapons.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Not that I seen. However Al Jazzera is running its propaganda they claim that a baby was killed by honduran troops who opened fire with live rounds on “Protestors”
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Thanks for the link to the live audio and video!!
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Well I don’t know what oath that would be.
This one?
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71)”
Or this new one?
“I swear by Karl Marx this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Barack Obama, the Supreme Ruler of the ACORN Reich, supreme commander of the armed forces, Divine Ruler of all that he surveys and that I shall at all times be ready, as a subservient soldier, to give my life for this oath.” (Emanuel Rahm Form 666)
I am certainly beginning to wonder.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I’m hoping for a shot of the plane coming in, and then crashing to the runway in a ball of fire as they shoot it down. Get rid of a tyrant-wannabe and a UN clown at the same time. Win/Win.
KSgop on July 5, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I PRAY Barry PAYS for any bloodshed!!
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Is it possible that Zelaya is John Edwards with a mustache?
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM
It looks like Zelaya is going to land and Hondurans are going to arrest him…Chavez is going to hold Honduras responsible for treatment of Zelaya…
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8135358.stm
pheww… At least he’s on God’s side…
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:22 PM
TeleSur says it sees the plane about to land in Tegucigalpa
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Obama should be arrested for this.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Zelaya is buzzing the airport.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:25 PM
Because we had already been pulling the same junk in Bosnia, so it was nothing new. The damage was mostly done by the time we weighed in on Kosovo. And there was one upside to Kosovo in that Clinton told the UN to get stuffed on it.
I didn’t see many strategic problems from Kosovo. Just idiotic tactics. But I also felt that most Americans still don’t understand that there is no such thing as goodwill in the arab/persian/muslim world, so I chalked up fighting for the muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo to be a lesson to Americans that you cannot get on muslims’ good side by doing them favors.
I was very surprised that no one used the asinine plan in Kosovo against Wesley Clark when he opened his mouth in public on other issues. While we got lucky that the Serbs eventually caved in, the plan was a real loser right from the beginning, as we all watched a million refugees streaming out of the country and everyone responsible said that they had no idea that would happen, even though we had watched that exact same thing happen in Bosnia for years.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Runway is blocked by trucks and choppers
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Anyone remember that movie where a fake landing of Mars was staged ?
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 7:26 PM
When is Ed going to say Zelaya is harming the Honduran democratic process by going back to Honduras to hold a referendum…?
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:26 PM
You know, the Honduras military should just shoot down the plane. That would end it.
Enoxo on July 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM
So perhaps we shouldn’t have been pulling that junk in Bosnia.
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Pantywaste would be forced to go to the UN… They might not let Bono into the country.
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:28 PM
When is ANYONE going to say ANYTHING??
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:28 PM
The poor Central American country’s Roman Catholic archbishop and its human rights commissioner urged Zelaya to stay away, noting that no one has died so far in the standoff.
This is what our president is supporting? Chaos,riots,civil disorder, unconstitutional dictators, and pure madness.
fourdeucer on July 5, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Hugo would just LOVE that.
thomasaur on July 5, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Darn that TeleSur female reporter sounds like Arriana Huffington…..
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Oh, they’ll give you some great Pro-democracy posts tomorrow…
Maybe the bigger question is, when will they give us anything substantial on say, Rule of Law, Constitutionalism, Liberty, &c.
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Assuming he’s even on board.
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Two dead say police
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Kind of sounds like ACORN, no?
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
OAS stooge is on board plane Venezuelan plane in direct contact with Telesur. Zelaya speaking now.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
It makes him feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
thomasaur on July 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Zelaya is speaking now from the plane. The runway is blocked.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
We don’t need a treaty to allow anyone to view anything we feel like letting them view. The president has wide latitude when it comes to secrecy. I believe that, if he was really cruising for a bruising, he could de-classify the vast majority of “secret” material, for instance, without consulting congress. He might even be able to de-classify ALL of it, and then dare someone to prove that it didn’t fall under his constitutional CinC prerogatives.
Not saying it would be a good idea. Not saying he would even survive such a decision politically or otherwise.
On the other hand, if it was W doing this – continuing inspections that have been going on for many years, and are largely non-controversial, while awaiting the negotiation and ratification process to catch up – and some DKos lunatics wailing about a coup, a coup!, I don’t think we’d have a 300+ comment thread mostly agreeing with them.
Obama is bad enough without scrounging around for pretexts. Come to think of W, especially near the end with TARP and related dealings, got kind of OOC, too. I’m just saying I think we should keep our eye on the ball.
To an untrusting listener, the “bypassing the Senate” language sounds ominous. Obama’s given us no reason to trust him. If a Bushie had said it – even if he was just giving directions to a pedestrian – there’d probably be hearings and possibly a special prosecutor.
CK MacLeod on July 5, 2009 at 7:30 PM
elduende: What did Zelaya just say?
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:31 PM
An Indian respects a brave man but he despises a coward.
Hinmahtooyahlatkek on July 5, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Heh. He’ll learn. *fingers crossed*
No argument from me.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 7:32 PM
BTW – I HATE the fact that effin “rightwing Fox” isn’t even reporting on this Honduras thing. More effin Michael effin Jackson.
CK MacLeod on July 5, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Thanks, Connie, for that vital link. I passed the information on to others, for it is important to see that we do have representation in Congress that is fighting to protect and defend our Constitution.
onlineanalyst on July 5, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Ouch.
M_Laveau on July 5, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Meanwhile, we’ll just have to keep pointing this out.
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I believe it is THIS guy on that plane with Zelaya
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM
True winners!
Where’s Jimmeh?
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Perfect
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Can we PLEASE send Obama, Jimmeh, and every other O-stooge down to Honduras to fix this crisis? Then conveniently blow up every airstrip in North America?
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Obama and PUtin are clinking glasses right now before they physically get into bed together. This is disgraceful. I’m embarassed to be American.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Don’t worry. Michelle is finally proud to be one.
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Now the deposed Pres. is saying that the US supports him. He’s using our good name to justify his actions.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Well, he was also barking orders from God…
Oh I meant Teh One.
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:37 PM
I thought the Jankee Empire was against Zelaya…
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Honestly, I never thought another people could become enslaved because of us. I am an enemy of Obama in a new way tonight.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:38 PM
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Zelaya says that he can’t land because of the blocked runways across the country. He is looking for other alternatives maybe coming in to land on other occasion or looking for another way to come into Hoduras. He is asking the international community to overturn this illegal coup. Asking Obama for help. Asking Obama to intervene on his behalf.
Zelaya still speaking from the plane…to telesur.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:38 PM
+1, for Smart Power
bluelightbrigade on July 5, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Oh great. He’s talking about God and messiah Obama giving him spiritual authority.
econavenger on July 5, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Chavez is now speaking!!! OH shit
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:40 PM
As much as we all know many progressives in power really have no qualms about US interference, I’m pretty sure your average Huff-n-Puff poster would short circuit if Obama actually intervened in a significant way…
Cindy Sheehan would have to be wiped off the face of the earth.
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Zelaya says he is going to leave and consult on “further steps” with his brother “Central American Presidents”
talks about injustice of what’a happening. He says Tegucigalpa tower told him to leave Honduran airspace or risk getting shot down.
he got cut off.
Chavez talking now..
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Kind of sounds like an Obama-cultist
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Arrest Obama for his part in this attempted coup in Honduras
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Chavez Calls Honduran government “cowards” afraid of “one little plane”.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:42 PM
OK, as much as I’d love to stay and talk, I gotta get going.
Later
God (the real One) Save the Hondurans!
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:42 PM
This is going to get very interesting, very fast.
thomasaur on July 5, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Chavez is using authority of int’l community. The scums have taken over our wonderful free world institutions. We are really at war.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Calls Zelaya brave. Will keep supporting Honduras and will continue to do so until “democracy” and “Zelaya” are reinstalled.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Good.
Enoxo on July 5, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Will ask God tonight to make Obama pay for enabling Chavez and Fidel and others to peddle their filth freely in my world.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Arrest Obama for his part in this attempted coup in Honduras
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Who would have the authority? U.S. marshalls, F.B.I., anybody?
fourdeucer on July 5, 2009 at 7:45 PM
F*&k OBAMA.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Venezulan plane is of the Bolivarian Allaince “ALBA” calls the threat to shoot down plane a “provocation”
Says Fidel, Ortega, Zelaya, and him are in real time contact on what to do next.
Says Venezuelan Air Force fooled Honduran military.
Zelaya snuck in from southern approach.
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Upstater85 on July 5, 2009 at 7:42 PM
goodnight
fourdeucer on July 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM
US Marshalls only law enforcement with legal authority to arrest POTUS
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM
At least there are men with chests in Latin America. If he violates their airspace they should shoot it down. Maybe they could just taze it!
Mojave Mark on July 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM
Fox reported the plane had landed.
yoda on July 5, 2009 at 7:47 PM
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