Obama: Hey, let’s bypass the Senate on treaty ratifications
posted at 2:40 pm on July 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
After listening to the Democrats screech for the last two years about the rule of law, this Jake Tapper report should be surprising …. but it’s not. Apparently, Barack Obama finds treaty ratification a little too complicated, and so he figures he can just commit the US to nuclear disarmament and bypass Congressional oversight:
With the clock running out on a new US-Russian arms treaty before the previous Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, expires on December 5, a senior White House official said Sunday said that the difficulty of the task might mean temporarily bypassing the Senate’s constitutional role in ratifying treaties by enforcing certain aspects of a new deal on an executive levels and a “provisional basis” until the Senate ratifies the treaty.
“The most ideal situation would be to finish it in time that it could be submitted to the Senate so that it can be ratified,” said White House Coordinator for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Security and Arms Control Gary Samore. “If we’re not able to do that, we’ll have to look at arrangements to continue some of the inspection provisions, keep them enforced in a provisional basis, while the Senate considers the treaty.”
Samore said administration lawyers are exploring the “different options that are available. One option is that both sides could agree to continue the inspections by executive agreement; that would work on our side. On the Russian side, as I understand it, that would require Duma approval.”
The fact that the administration is preparing for such an extraordinary measure shows just how much pressure the two administrations are under to arrive at an agreement before the 18-year-old treaty expires.
Uh, pardon me, but how many seats in the Senate does Obama’s party hold? Isn’t it 60? If Obama is simply moving forward with a straightforward, supportable treaty with Russia to reduce nuclear stockpiles in an effective verification system, why couldn’t he get a quick ratification? The GOP gave George H. W. Bush enough support in 1991 to pass the original START treaty, so it’s not as if ratification would be impossibly complicated.
Well, that is, if the deal actually does put in place an effective verification system and doesn’t amount to a de facto unilateral disarmament. With exactly five months to win Senate approval, the effort by the Obama White House in floating this idea now makes it sound like Obama wants to give away the store in order to score some points with his 1980s no-nukes agenda. And as much as the Democrats howled over the supposed devotion of George Bush to a “unitary executive,” Obama seems to have no trouble bypassing the check on executive power for treaty negotiation written explicitly into the Constitution, in Article II, Section 2:
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
Words. Just words.
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“Why does he hate America so much?
Because he’s a half-black moron who as abandoned by his father and mother, had race-identication angst (really wanna be white, but guess I have to settle for black and boy does that tick me off).
And then he fell into the loving hands of affirmative action marxists who saw a moldable little tool.
Any wonder why he was so comfortable in Jeremiah Wright’s pews all those years?
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM”
To be entirely accurate, Obama’s genealogical backround breaksdown at= 50% Caucasion/43% Arabic/7% African. Which has always made me wonder just how he’s the 1st black Prez.
Just FYI.
Archimedes on July 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Check out what Obama’s unilateral destruction of the US oil industry is going to do for Russian power and wealth. It’s not all about boosting the power and wealth of Islamist states and Chavez at our expense. Barack has many friends and allies who suddenly love the U.S. and he’s spreading the wealth to them all this way. I’m sure he knows he’ll reap big financial rewards for backstabbing America if he has to give up power one day.
econavenger on July 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Um…maybe it is time to start tossing out the anti-****** possibility?
But seriously, you are correct. We are a nation of morons. Do you remember back during the campaign and just after the election, the talk radio station that carries Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc… had this advertisement running every break? It was for insurance or something. I can’t really remember what it was for, because it always made me so angry. It went, “People are smart…” Everytime I heard it I would scream, “NO THEY AREN’T!” It still comes on some, and I still scream.
The Founding Fathers were brilliant for not allowing everyone the right to vote. That ‘right’ has destroyed our country. Yes, I said it, and I’m a woman.
pannw on July 5, 2009 at 5:30 PM
It’s worked out swimmingly for Clinton and Al Gore.
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 5:30 PM
http://sounds.wavcentral.com/movies/caddy/cadshk06.mp3
Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM
HOLY SH*T!! Are you telling me the United States allowed a Venezuelan plane (hugo fu**king Chavez) to leave from Dulles carrying a leftist thug en route to overthrow a democracy in HONDURAS??? HOLY CRAP!!! WHERE’S THE OUTRAGE??? WHO OK’D THIS IN WASHINGTON???? WHERE’S THE BLOWBACK?
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 5:33 PM
This president-freak is bought.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 5:34 PM
^^I believe this is incorrect – both chambers of Congress were Democratic at the time weren’t they? It was the Democrats who ratified START 1 under a GOP POTUS. Now bams don’t think he can get them to support him? WTF?
HondaV65 on July 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM
HEY ED– DID U KNOW ZELAYA IS FLYING TO HONDURAS IN A VENEZUELAN JET FROM DULLES??
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Yeah, my blood’s so mad feels like coagulatin’
I’m sitting here just contemplatin’
He can twist the truth, his conscience knows no regulation.
Trillions of dollars for his fascist legislation
And tea rallies alone can’t bring sane governation
When the American Constitution is disintegratin’
This whole 1984 Obama animal farm world is just too frustratin’
And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
of destruction.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Gonna try again – not sure why: I’m a comprehensive opponent of Obama’s presidency, including on several constitutional grounds, but I don’t see anything either terribly unusual or constitutionally questionable about this approach to an unratified treaty. I previously mentioned the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty which was signed in 1996 by the US (and around 135 other countries), which the Senate declined to ratify, but which Clinton, Bush, and now Obama have chosen to adhere to. There’s nothing preventing a president – Obama or any other – from adopting one or another defense or other policy in the absence of ratified treaty language.
The only thing I see that’s very questionable is the use of the word “bypass” regarding constitutional ratification.
Like any other president, Obama is capable of doing a lot of things by executive order that aren’t specifically covered by any treaty, ratified, unratified, drafted, undrafted, whatever. The fact that the treaty obligations aren’t under ratification simply means that they’re not “treaty obligations”: They don’t have force of law, and neither Obama himself nor any successor is obligated to carry them forward. What would be unconstitutional would be a claim to ratification , to treaty obligations gaining the force of law, that didn’t involve the Senate. That would be another version of government by executive decree, but that’s not what we’re looking at here.
CK MacLeod on July 5, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Hundreds of Tea Parties nationwide, with 10s of thousands of particiants in the last few days… and no Coverage from the Press.
Not even on Fox.
All the media calling the Honduras situation a coup, which is clearly is not.
The coverage on Palin, which in the last 2 weeks was consistantly negative, even before she resigned…
I notice that all the main media have the exact same story, with the exact same slant… and that in and of itself is very very troubling.
Even Fox has joined in on these memes… all Jackson, no Cap and Thieve… how… interesting.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 5:37 PM
“When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
…..I’m just sayin’.
E T Cartman on July 5, 2009 at 5:38 PM
One day, just one day I hope that we find out just who is the Puppet Master.
HoustonRight on July 5, 2009 at 5:39 PM
We have not seen the details of what they are agreeing to, but this is about Force Structure, which is OUTSIDE the province of the President.
Its up to CONGRESS to decide, through the legislation process, what Force structure we have… and what weapons we have.
Test ban treaty was well within the Presidents powers, as he just stopped Testing those weapons… but did not build, nor destroy, weapon systems without the agreement of Congress.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Michelle Obama. She is a very angry black woman and a dedicated black liberation theologist closely aligned with the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan…
Key West Reader on July 5, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Nicaraguan troops heading for Hondoras border ?
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 5:46 PM
Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 5:47 PM
I’m betting it’s more than one person, and includes George Soros, Frances Fox Piven, ACORN/AOI leaders, Bill Ayers, and some others.
George Soros is probably mostly in it for the money. He can make tons of money speculating on the collapse of the dollar, which is why he’s funding people who are destroying the economy. Piven wants to see capitalism and the dollar collapse for ideological reasons.
Daggett on July 5, 2009 at 5:49 PM
In times of challenge, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave but hated and scorned. If his cause starts to succeed, however, the timid will join him, for then it costs little to be a Patriot.
- Mark Twain
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Naw, this is bigger than her. This goes way back. This is “Star chamber” esque. There has been a behind the scenes pulling of the strings for at least a couple decades.
HoustonRight on July 5, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Be either boomer. My take has been can we just focus in on 2010 elections, and fight with each other over the POTUS deal a tad bit later? But moves like this one to go around the Senate, and so many, many others by President Chutes&Ladders, makes me believe we HAVE to have someone on the RIGHT speaking out. Steele forwarded all calls to do something to Mars, and the rest have that deer in the headlight look.
Plus, she has not been campaigning in the lower 48 like she will need to for 2012, and/or she could be campaigning for other GOP candidates. She could actually not be campaigning for POTUS at all. As Rush says, we really do not know what she has in mind down the road.
I do know I am ready for SOMEONE, ANYONE to play whack-a-mole with President Skateboard!
freeus on July 5, 2009 at 5:50 PM
I can’t believe nobody is worked up over Zelaya flying in Venezuelan jet from Dulles to Honduras. This is Obama’s doing, and as someone said before, the Venezuelan jet is no accident. Where the hell is the outrage over this?? Who in the US gov’t decided to allow Zelaya in, when, why, and how were the arrangements made for his return to Venezuela with US approval and help???
(Someone told me it was a “US registered” plane, which makes it worse, but not sure how.)
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 5:51 PM
http://sounds.wavcentral.com/movies/monty/newt_better.mp3
Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Part of my problem is that I can’t figure out the Obama endgame.
He’s doing everything possible to destroy our system of government, and economy, but what he seems to want to replace them with has been PROOVEN by others not to work.
His basic numbers don’t add up… and unless he is stupid, he HAS to see that… which means he has some endgame in mind.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM
One day, just one day I hope that we find out just who is the Puppet Master.
HoustonRight on July 5, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I bet if we knew it would be so shocking we (most people)couldn’t accept it.
fourdeucer on July 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Where the frak is the WH and State Dep’t on this? What are they saying publicly?
NOW, we are seeing a coup in action, orchestrated by the leftist thugs in the OAS, and led by the biggest thug in the OAS,
ChavezObama.JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 5:54 PM
My point exactly. I hate conspiracy theorist but there has had to been a close knit group planning our demise for years. Just waiting for the righttool to come along.
HoustonRight on July 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM
The President of the UN General Assembly (A Nicaraugan who hates America) is on board that plane with Zelaya. Hugo Chavez has warned honduras that if the Venezuelan Embassy is attacked in Honduras he will invade Honduras.
This is an orchestrated plan involving both of those leftist leaders. Its the march of the communists in South America.
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 5:55 PM
I am still having a hard time believing my good fortune myself. Your boy president certainly can not be as stupid as he makes out. And that wife of his, my God is she an ugly sucker!
PootyPoot on July 5, 2009 at 5:56 PM
It’s like some evil conspiracy, isn’t it?
Re: the Honduras situation; my next door neighbor lived there for almost 4 years. She and her family have been back for about 3, but still keep in touch with a number of friends still there who are stockpiling food, water, etc. She said that they get very frustrated with what our media is putting out. They say it is complete rubbish. All the protestors wanting Zelaya back in office…those are protestors being shipped in from Venezuela, according to her Honduran friends.
I can’t believe our government is aiding dictators/wannabe dictators…
What happened to my country?/rhetorical question]
pannw on July 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Now, if it were a “gentleman’s agreement” to continue the current treaty until new agreements are ratified, that’s fine, as far as that goes – it was ratified at one time by the Senate. Is this the case? If not, then there is a problem.
JeffWeimer on July 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM
I’m a little worked up over it, but I just don’t even know what to say about it.
myrenovations on July 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM
http://www.wavcentral.com/sounds/movies/patton/precise.mp3
Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM
This can’t be done without US approval. By leaving from Dulles, we know that approval is public. There is absolutely nothing about this except for pieces here and there in these blogs. This is a major event about to unfold before our eyes, a coup in Honduras, and Obama is getting away with it.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM
When you figure it out let me know!
Brillant point and well taken.
HoustonRight on July 5, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 5:41 PM
I don’t find your “force structure” argument responsive. The article in question deals strictly with treaty ratification, or, more specifically, the expiration of a treaty and the Obama Administration’s intentions to continue to abide by the treaty. Congress would be free at any time to do whatever it chooses to do. It’s not as though our existing force structure suddenly changes at midnight on December 5 if the treaty isn’t renewed or replaced.
CK MacLeod on July 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM
…And now back to the Michael Jackson story, followed by a warning to sun worshipers… -Fox News
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM
With the Clintons yes, but with President Candyland, this is pure 100% Fascism. We skipped socialism, and are now dancing with Stalin. Or something worse.
freeus on July 5, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Even worse than Khrushchev’s!
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM
Sorry, my mistake: by saying “And now back to…”, it implies that Fox carried the story in the first place, which they didn’t.
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM
I don’t know. Maybe I’m crazy. There’s a coup d’etat in process in Honduras as we speak, made possible by the crazy leftists who have seized control of the UN, OAS and US, and it’s like nothing is happening. It’s happening right now!
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM
I think you missed what I posted earlier in the day
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM
The Strange Case of Professor Obama and Mr Hussein is a real life drama playing out in the aftermath of the Presidential election of 2008. It is about the dilemma of the American citizen who sees strange dissonances between the new found Messiah, Professor Obama, and the misanthropic Mr. Hussein. It is a vivid portrayal of a split personality, split in the sense that within the same person there is both an apparently good and an evil personality each being quite distinct from the other. In mainstream culture the very phrase “Obama and Hussien” will come to mean a person who’s words are vastly different in moral character from his actions.
Sigmund on July 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Quite clever.
myrenovations on July 5, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Yeah, President Candyland (I like that) is trying to kill all the greatness that is the USA…
(Giants s*ck)
ladyingray on July 5, 2009 at 6:07 PM
William, I don’t believe a single word of that article. US diplomats under Obama admin. are thugs, and pro-leftists. As far as I’m concerned, the US is attempting to reinstall a leftist usurper in power. Obama is doing an Allende in reverse.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Anyone ever read the Bible? Ummm, there IS an evil entity working ceaselessly to worsen the human condition. The “end-game” is simply to cause as much misery as possible. And all it takes is for good men to look away. Sound familiar?
Metanis on July 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Honduras almost shows us the extremes to which a country may be driven by failure to uphold its constitution.
Kralizec on July 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM
I’d give a guess, but we aren’t supposed to talk about things like that. I hear it makes us look crazy. ;)
You aren’t talking extra-terrestrials, are you?
Oh the temptation!
pannw on July 5, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Truth be told, I just clear my mind and they pretty much write/modify themselves. So much material, so little time.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 6:11 PM
I dunno read this passage and tell me it doesnt make you go “HMM ??”
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Funny how the “Constitutional Lawyer” always find the Constitution to be an impediment. Or worse, just ignores it. I hope the Democrats who run to his support on issue after issue of executive overreach remember that some day, there will be a President they don’t love and worship. On that day, will they be happy at the power they gave away to the chief executive?
Will they be happy on that day in hazy distance, when they have a minority in the House, and aren’t allowed ANY participation in the drafting of laws?
hawksruleva on July 5, 2009 at 6:14 PM
I don’t understand how Congress, particularly the Senate, are just sitting back and permitting this…they are as power hungry and as narcassistic as he is….
ladyingray on July 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Since this situation arose about a week or so ago, it has been most concerning to me. It’s one of the biggest stories of the day, IMO, yet, if it’s covered at all, has been a vehicle for leftist propaganda who’s distribution even Fox News is a party to.
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 6:19 PM
The historical parallel between Hitler and Mussolini, and Obama and Zelaya is getting closer all the time. Throw in some of Hitler’s other tactics and the parallel is chilling.
I am, more and more, losing faith in America’s military officers, who swore an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 6:21 PM
WSJ has this from 6:11 pm
Zelaya’s Plane Redirected to El Salvador
INC on July 5, 2009 at 6:22 PM
(News Flash)AP just reported that Obama will be fitted for his crown next week.
thmcbb on July 5, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Don’t know that it is, but I would think it could be.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Sigmund on July 5, 2009 at 6:03 PM
That’s exactly the kind of intelligent response I was hoping for. Now to educate conservatives. If that reply was expanded into an American Thinker piece Rush would probably relish reading chunks of it on air.
econavenger on July 5, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Nah…he’s just go a different definition of execute.
soundingboard on July 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM
BBC has photo of plane
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Obama has stated time and time again that he wants to get rid of Nukes.
This will not be a continuation of the old treaties, at the old levels. He is renegotiating this treaty, and will not let this “crises” get by without forwarding his agenda.
I will bet my next nonexistant paycheck (unempolyed…) that this aggreement will not only put in more Nuke limitations, but will also have language about missle defense in it.
If it was just a continuation of the old treaty… it would pass the Senate without him having to talk about time limits… this is somthing else.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM
BOGOTA – The regime that ousted Manuel Zelaya in Honduras claimed Tuesday that the deposed president allowed tons of cocaine to be flown into the Central American country on its way to the United States.
“Every night, three or four Venezuelan-registered planes land without the permission of appropriate authorities and bring thousands of pounds … and packages of money that are the fruit of drug trafficking,” its foreign minister, Enrique Ortez, told CNN en Espanol.
“We have proof of all of this. Neighboring governments have it. The DEA has it,” he added.
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman Rusty Payne in Washington said he could neither confirm nor deny a DEA investigation.
fourdeucer on July 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM
I meant the stuff about the US trying to “work it out.” The stuff you quoted sounds like obama, chavez,zelaya and john edwards went out together one night and someone kept notes.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM
And people are wondering why Sarah resigned.
izoneguy on July 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Right!!! It’s the money trail. It’s Chavez’s slush fund, and one day Obama’s gonna get tied to that illicit money.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 6:28 PM
Obama only wants the mullahs to have nukes. Just doing what a good Muslim does.
izoneguy on July 5, 2009 at 6:28 PM
More info
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 6:29 PM
PDVSA
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 6:30 PM
Actually, ignoring the treaty clause has been a problem for awhile now:
http://brettsconstitution.blogspot.com/2009/05/disappearing-treaties.html
radjah shelduck on July 5, 2009 at 6:30 PM
I doubt that they will, but I honestly hope they shoot the little Mussolini, aided and abetted by the little Hitler in the White House, down, or hang him upon arrival. I hope that Honduran military officers take their oath to their constitution more seriously than ours seems to.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 6:31 PM
Mr. Morrissey just plagiarized Gov. Deval Patrick…
mjbrooks3 on July 5, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Are there no Republican leaders with enough courage, make that just basic decency, to speak out, and loudly, and at length, and in no uncertain terms, against this fascist abomination in the White House?
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 6:35 PM
What does that Zelaya story remind me of ?
Oh Yeah two stories
#1
#2
A file photo of Khomeini leaving the Air France flight at Tehran airport
William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM
No, because that would admit that the system in place if flawed… the system they live off of, and helped create.
Change can only come to Washington from outside.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM
Drug-related violence appears to be up in Honduras.
Homicides surged 25 percent from some 4,400 in 2007 to more than 7,000 in 2008 while more than 1,600 people were killed execution-style, suggesting drug gang involvement, according to the Central American Violence Observatory.
Not a pretty picture.
fourdeucer on July 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM
They lost me at “temporarily bypassing…constitution.”
Does that mean that we can “temporarily bypass” the Constitution and put in Palin as President, or is this something only Obama can do?
29Victor on July 5, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Just like his grandmother suddenly died on the eve of his election.
JellyToast on July 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM
If and when Obama commits to anything you suggest he may commit to, then those decisions will be subject to the normal process, such as it is. I suspect that you and I will both have reasons to criticize whatever he comes up with, and whatever congress and the press do or don’t do with it. But that’s not the same as having anything to do with greater or lesser adherence to the Constitution as it relates to treaty obligations – as the top post suggests, and as the vast majority of commenters here seem to accept without question.
The President is free to agree to order anything he wants to order. Like the dictator in the old Woody Allen story, he and his Russian counterparts could agree to order all Russians and Americans henceforth to wear our underwear on the outside. The order itself might be unconstitutional and might be a bad idea regardless of it constitutionality, but agreeing with Medvedev & Putin to give the order or to whistle My Old Flame backwards or to build 100,000 nuclear warheads and detonate them in place wouldn’t be unconstitutional.
CK MacLeod on July 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM
http://hondurasabandoned.blogspot.com/
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM
http://hondurasabandoned.blogspot.com/2009/07/sunday-update-2.html
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 6:42 PM
The Adolf Hitler of the 21st century.
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 6:43 PM
http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/Statutes/Title39/Chapter52.htm
For those who care to look at the Alaskan laws. And in particular pay attention to
AS 39.52.120 Misuse of Official Positon
AS 39.52.170 Outside employment Restricted
AS 39.52.180 Restrictions On Employment After Leaving State Service
As many say, the laws in most cases are vague, and as we say boomer, they were utilized often by Dems, and ticked of GOP types, to constantly attack Palin. There is no way she could raise monies to pay for the legal defense, pay her bills, campaign for GOP candidates in the lower 48, or just about anything without possibly having more legal trouble.
All of the above might be something the ever so brilliant Beltway might want to research before saying she quit, abandoned Alaska, and is washed up. In many ways, she was putting Alaskans first considering the Left was only going to continue forcing the state to spend millions of dollars defending her, or researching whether or not Sarah Palin violated any ethics laws.
President Candyland is NOT the Anti-Christ! It is Sarah Palin! Get it right! LOL!
I SOOOOO wish these wizards of smart would take 5 seconds to look into the Dulles deal, and this whole business regarding Russia. Never mind the whole coup thing President Shutes&Ladders is “debating” with Zelaya, and the freaking UN!
The game is not over yet. We have yet to play Battleship!
freeus on July 5, 2009 at 6:43 PM
I guess that means he will also try to just bypass the constitution to ratify the Mexican anti-gun treaty.
If Obama continuous,, how at some point can there not be riots in the streets of America???
At some point,, especially if he gets all that he wants,, it will begin to effect all the Americans who just aren’t paying attention right now. What then???
Bypassing the Senate to ratify his own treaties,, appointing Czars,, God help us all.
JellyToast on July 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM
The point is that no one forced the White House to say something so stupid and un-Constitutional as “the difficulty of the task might mean temporarily bypassing the Senate’s constitutional role in ratifying treaties”.
The Precedent is certainly free to sign whatever he wants and to exercise Executive power, but whoever thought that anything was going to be bypassed was a moron. This shows that, either they plan on ignoring the Constitution (which they do all the time, anyway) or they are just too stupid to know what they are talking about. Personally, knowing this bunch of traitors, I think it’s both.
On a closely related topic, I wish someone would ask one of these slugs where in the Constitution it says that the federal government’s job is to “provide competition to private companies” as these idiots are trying to sell their un-Constitutional federal health insurance idea.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Except that giving an unconstitutional order, abrogates his oath to defend the Constitution.
The President is NOT “free to agree to order anything he wants to order”. His powers are strictly delineated in the Constitution.
We now have a problem where there is no one holding him to his oath to follow the Constitution. The Supremes have given him a pass on both his dual cit status and whether that meets the “Natural Born Citizen” requirment, and also gave him a pass on his power to dictate bankruptcy proceedings which led to the Illegal seizure of private property (Chryler stockholders lost the worth of their stock, while Fiat gets equity?).
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 6:46 PM
What goddamn freaking radical right-wing neocon nut job wrote that crap? Glenn Beck?
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 6:46 PM
Elduende, do you know if the plane(s) have actually diverted diverted already or if they might still attempt to land?
FloatingRock on July 5, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Then, the cities burn.
progressoverpeace on July 5, 2009 at 6:49 PM
LOL… well, I do have a theory that Satan was the first American.
Think about it…
Seperation of Church and State?
Rebeled against authority?
For Free Speech?
Wanted a voice in decision making?
Freedom of Religion?
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 6:50 PM
That seems a bit harsh. It’s the 4th of July weekend and our military officers are engaged in two wars. They seem to be taking their oaths quite seriously.
M_Laveau on July 5, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Come on dad, calm down. Some of us are busy mourning a famous child molestor and trying to get trying to get to the bottom of this story of some white chick blowing away some black ex-football star.
Get yer priorities straight.
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 6:52 PM
As near as I can tell from Honduran newspapers on the ground the word is Zelaya is sitting in San Salvador right now.
that said
I’ve been watching Telesur which is the Chavez channel and Chavez said about 30 minutes ago that he is in contact with Zelaya and that Zelaya is “over Honduran airspace” “as he spoke”.
things confusing.
I’ll be back ltr….
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Agree… they’re are all off doing their jobs, conveniently off on foreign soil.
Romeo13 on July 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM
What happens then is direct deposit into their bank accounts of funds raised from cap n trade.
guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM
PS. San Salvador, El Salvador, not Honduras….
elduende on July 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM
No, you are not crazy and the parallels between Hitler and Obama are chilling. Why are no Republican leaders speaking out? What the Hell is the matter with them? Why are no military leaders speaking out? What the Hell is wrong with them? Robert Gates, all the Joint Chiefs of Staff and General Petraeus should all be turning in their resignations, saying their loyalty is to America and freedom, not to some little Hitler in the White House trying to restore some little Mussolini to power in Hondurans. Damn them all to Hell!
MB4 on July 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM
That I agree with – as stated in a prior post on this subject. What’s bizarre and even troubling is that particular language. What’s not bizarre or troubling yet is anything that, as far as we know, the President actually has agreed to order. All that’s mentioned specifically is continuing START-mandated (trust, but verify!) inspections during the period betweent the lapse of the old treaty and the completion of any new treaty. There’s nothing prima facie unconstitutional about that.
CK MacLeod on July 5, 2009 at 6:55 PM
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