Mullahs in Qum: Khamenei’s actions illegitimate

posted at 10:15 am on July 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

If Ali Khamenei and the Guardian Council had hoped to ride out the anger over the rigged presidential election, they didn’t figure on Qum.  The association of Islamic leaders in the most important religious city in Iran have declared the election illegitimate, which threatens to undermine the credibility of the Khamenei regime’s claim to divine direction.  If the clerics of Iran bolt, what does Khamenei have left?

The most important group of religious leaders in Iran called the disputed presidential election and the new government illegitimate on Saturday, an act of defiance against the country’s supreme leader and the most public sign of a major split in the country’s clerical establishment.

A statement by the group, the Association of Researchers and Teachers of Qum, represents a significant, if so far symbolic, setback for the government and especially the authority of the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose word is supposed to be final. The government has tried to paint the opposition and its top presidential candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi, as criminals and traitors, a strategy that now becomes more difficult — if not impossible.

“This crack in the clerical establishment, and the fact they are siding with the people and Moussavi, in my view is the most historic crack in the 30 years of the Islamic republic,” said Abbas Milani, director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. “Remember, they are going against an election verified and sanctified by Khamenei.”

This puts Khamenei in a corner.  He has repeatedly claimed that the election results were divinely authored, putting his religious credibility on the line to silence opposition.  Khamenei has, through surrogates, accused Mousavi and other protesters of being foreign agents, enemies of the Islamic Republic that he claims authority from Allah to run.  If the religious clerics that support that divine authority suddenly switch sides and accuse Khamenei and his Guardian Council of imposing illegitimate results on the nation, what does that do to his authority?

In fact, this is an escalation from Qum.  They had earlier asked the regime to nullify the results in order to restore order and give an opportunity for calm, but hadn’t given a judgment on the election itself. Their latest statement abandons any effort to calm the waters, which makes this step more ominous for Khamenei.  They have taken sides — and they have joined the opposition.

That gives other clerics an opportunity to go public with their own opposition to the regime.  Khamenei cannot keep using the “foreign agents” smear in order to discredit everyone.  If all of the clerics outside the GC and Khamenei assert that the Supreme Leader acts illegitimately, then the only thing left to Khamenei is force of arms.  That may be enough in the short run, but the writing on the wall for Khamenei and his regime has already appeared in Qum.

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This is your cue, Iranian people, your chances have never been better than right now so MOVE.

Easy for me to say, I know, but every once in a while I get the feeling that the Iranians will one day in the near future be cheering us on to do the same thing.

Bishop on July 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Yes! We are witnessing the end of an Islamic government. It may be replaced by another but I doubt it. Freedom and self determination is spreading in the middle east. Thanks to President Bush.

Guardian on July 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM

The Qom dudes are smart at self-preservation. Khamenei runs the same risk as the Chinese and Russian emperors did. Once the divine veiled is pulled away, there’s really no getting it back. As it stands now, they’ve created a situation where one group is questioning the others claims to divine inspiration, but the issue of divine inspiration itself gets a pass.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM

So these mullahs are more faithful to democracy than the President of the United States? What the hell happened? (I’ve been saying that every day since the election)

D0WNT0WN on July 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Change?

the_nile on July 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Wow! This kinda changes the equation huh?

conservnut on July 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

He could call for a new election but that isn’t very divine-like is it?

Cindy Munford on July 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Revolution! Catch teh fevah!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Dinnerjacket: “This is all Booooosh’s fault!”

Khamenei: “This is all Booooosh’s fault!”

Barry: “This is all Booooosh’s fault!”

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Change?

the_nile on July 5, 2009 at 10:23 AM

Hope.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 5, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Great news after the 4th! Watch Obama claim that his Cairo speech was responsible. Yeccch!!!!

Bob in VA on July 5, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:25 AM

One problem, Limerick.

They forgot to blame Teh Juice.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 5, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Coup. A real one.

OldEnglish on July 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM

The present mental state of Ali Khamenei and the Guardian Council can be pretty much summed up in the following:

DO WHAT WE SAY, OR WE WILL KILL YOU!!! WE WILL KILL YOU ALL!!!! EVERY ONE OF YOU, WE WILL KILL!!! AND WHEN WE ARE DONE, AND YOU ARE ALL DEAD, AND WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE LEFT TO KILL, WE WILL KILL OURSELVES!!! BECAUSE WE ARE ALL NUTS!!! WE ARE LOONS!!! WE ARE ALL THREE FRENCH FRIES SHY OF A HAPPY MEAL!!! WE ARE ALL RAVING LUNATICS, AND WE WILL KILL YOU ALL!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

So much for the Islamic Revolution.

Time for change.

pilamaye on July 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM

I see a pro-democracy movement that could be in need of some firearms, Barry. Google “FP-45″.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Hmm, I wonder if Saddam Hussein and the Sunni Baathists were still in power across the Gulf whether these Mullahs would show such internal dissent?

Seems to me that a fear from Saddam would stifle much of these factions.

Obviously, what’s going on is a complex matter involving lots of issues but a less threatening Iraq sure helps.

SteveMG on July 5, 2009 at 10:28 AM

So these mullahs are more faithful to democracy than the President of the United States? What the hell happened? (I’ve been saying that every day since the election)

D0WNT0WN on July 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Don’t worry folks, I’m quite sure Ogabi will come out with a statement condemning the mullahs and denouncing their coup!

conservnut on July 5, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Now See, Khamenei’s big problem is that he forgot to ask ACORN for help. If ACORN had been involved, he could’ve rigged the election properly, and only been out a few million dollars for services rendered.

I mean, seriously, if an @ssclown like Obama can figure out how to rig an election, certainly Khamenei should’ve taken note of how.

AW1 Tim on July 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Don’t worry folks, I’m quite sure Ogabi will come out with a statement condemning the mullahs and denouncing their coup!

conservnut on July 5, 2009 at 10:31 AM

Obama: “As I have always said……”

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

I see a pro-democracy movement that could be in need of some firearms, Barry. Google “FP-45″.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Would give my neighbor’s left arm to have an FP45.

Airdropping cheap firearms doesn’t fit into the “dialogue” template of the Ogabe administration.

Bishop on July 5, 2009 at 10:33 AM

The Mullahs in Qum have the guts to call Khamenei’s actions ILLEGITIMATE.

Where is the integrity of America’s Legislators and Judges?

They fail us all and our Constitutional Republic as they dance around every ILLEGITIMATE aspect of Obama’s agenda.

Obama’s legislation and executive orders are ILLEGITIMATE.

Impeach Unconstitutional POTUS Obama

maverick muse on July 5, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I mean, seriously, if an @ssclown like Obama can figure out how to rig an election, certainly Khamenei should’ve taken note of how.

AW1 Tim on July 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Well…they have had five thousand years to watch the west build roads, hospitals, schools, universities, and public works. It doesn’t seem that take good notes. Rhode Island has more development then all Islamic M.E.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM

This is a positive turn of events for the dissidents.

myrenovations on July 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Hound Khameini Pelosi and Achmedinejad Reid from seats of power!

maverick muse on July 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Maybe by focusing on the fallacy of divine intervention in relation to the elections, the Muslims may consider the fallacy of suicide bombings. It has to be a great moral defeat for the G.C., and the teachings of Islam.

fourdeucer on July 5, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 5, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Thanks for that, never heard of the FP-45, what a facinating story! The mullahs would crap their pants if something similar happened there.

javamartini on July 5, 2009 at 10:40 AM

For most Americans who do not understand Iranian politics, this is even worse than the media turning on Sarah Palin.

Mr. Joe on July 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Obama is doing his usual diplomacy. Praising dictators and ‘voting Present‘ where democracy is involved.

He must be holding Hilary down in some bunker somewhere. Haven’t heard a peep from her in a long time.

Uniblogger on July 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Qom mullahs throwing Khameinei and Ahamd under the caravan doesn’t mean things have to change much. It still maintains the authority of the mullahs. Unless/until Islam itself as political authority comes under review, how much can things change.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Uniblogger on July 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM

Yep. The tell was when Hillary announced she wasn’t going to Russia ahead of Barry. It seems she is a prisoner in a tower. Too bad her hair isn’t long enough to assist in her escape.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Rhode Island has more development then all Islamic M.E.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:36 AM

They’re utterly hopeless, and divided as they are (bin Laden failed miserably), no hope for the future either. Oil there won’t last forever.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM

I wonder if Hillary will gather the intestinal fortitude to resign as Sec. of State? There is evidently a chasm as wide as the Grand Canyon between Hil and Barry now.

kingsjester on July 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Joe Biden gives Israel the Green light to hit Iran

William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Uh-Oh, somebody left the gate open and old Joe ran out and crapped in the neighbors yard again!

Look out Joe, here comes the rolled up newspaper.

conservnut on July 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Joe Biden gives Israel the Green light to hit Iran

William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

From his statement he also is saying the the U.S. won’t interfere with any other nation. China, Russia and that tin-pot country in South America were just given the greenlight to rape, pillage and plunder.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Joe Biden gives Israel the Green light to hit Iran

William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Mossad chief claims Saudi Arabia has given Israel overflight rights.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM

From his statement he also is saying the the U.S. won’t interfere with any other nation. China, Russia and that tin-pot country in South America were just given the greenlight to rape, pillage and plunder.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Could be the quid-pro-quo Putin is demanding from Obama. Also, I think Biden plans to visit Georgia and Ukraine right after Obama’s trip. He may deliver a message to them saying they may not understand what the Pres. is up to, but to trust Obama and give him support. Hmmmm.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM

And last week Israeli submarines transit the Suez Canal enroute to the Red Sea (or beyond).

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Oil there won’t last forever.
JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Liar. I read an article a while back about a popular belief in Saudi Arabia that when the oil runs dry, Allah will simply refill the underground basins.

Bishop on July 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

That is a definite green light….you wonder if Slow Joe really wanted to say that, I am sure PEBO would like to gag him about now…

t on July 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

I hope the Israelis don’t do anything until the Iranian pol. situation is settled one way or another. I see a lot of people saying now is the time to strike, but I don’t see it that way (not that I know anything much about it.)

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Allah will simply refill the underground basins.

Bishop on July 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

What with?

OldEnglish on July 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Allah will simply refill the underground basins.

Bishop on July 5, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Could be, but if it was me, I’d diversify :)

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Donald out-Mickey back in
pass the popcorn

Reality Check on July 5, 2009 at 10:58 AM

Nothing is clear. Is liberalism (a la Obama) and radical Islam (Persian and Saudi style) on the verge of a knock-out punch, or in it’s death throes. Interesting times we’re living in. Either way, five years from now will be unrecognizable from today.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM

I hope the Israelis don’t do anything until the Iranian pol. situation is settled one way or another. I see a lot of people saying now is the time to strike, but I don’t see it that way (not that I know anything much about it.)

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

And whatever Biden says, I think Obama would be furious if Israel did.

ProfessorMiao on July 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Fuel endurance on those Dolphin(German made) SSKs is about 4,500 miles. Crew/Supply endurance is about(best guess) about 90 days.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:01 AM

What’s their motivation?

Phoenician on July 5, 2009 at 11:02 AM

And whatever Biden says, I think Obama would be furious if Israel did.

ProfessorMiao on July 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Yes, but that would be true regardless of the time or circumstances which would cause Israel to strike. Israel is a thorn in Obama’s side.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM

This puts Khamenei in a corner.

True as this may be, and this is a very positive development, The Supreme Leader has a great cut man by the name of Obama.

Basilsbest on July 5, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Dear Iranians:

No hope for you.

No change for you.

Sincerely,
Barry in D.C.

grgeil on July 5, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Fuel endurance on those Dolphin(German made) SSKs is about 4,500 miles. Crew/Supply endurance is about(best guess) about 90 days.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:01 AM

But the public transit of the canal was for public consumption. That sub could go back to Israel, right? Also, does that sub have to be closer to Iran than Israeli waters for it’s weapons to reach?

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:08 AM

This reminds me of that quote from Stalin when he was told that the Pope objected to his oppression of Catholics: How many divisions does he have?

Bennett on July 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Her 24.5 inch tubes were modified to accept 26 inch homegrown Tomahawks (range 1,500 miles). Germany donated two of the subs to Israel. They bought the third and now the fourth. They also have another homegrown cruise missle of shorter range (can’t remember name).

Yes, the cruise could have been a bluster. Also it might not be. With our sister, Zion, one never knows. Her bag of military tricks is deep and wide.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM

just because the middle east is full of radical islamists doesn’t mean they are not like the rest of us in that they are jockeying for power over each other.

several ME countries (and it appears Saudi Arabia has given airspace to the Israelis) would love for the Iranian nuke ops to be blown up.

kelley in virginia on July 5, 2009 at 11:13 AM

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Also another role besides attack is lifeguard. It wouldn’t be the first time pilots ended up on submarines.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Joe Biden gives Israel the Green light to hit Iran

William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Uh-Oh, somebody left the gate open and old Joe ran out and crapped in the neighbors yard again!

Look out Joe, here comes the rolled up newspaper.

conservnut on July 5, 2009 at 10:47 AM

Even the Secret Service has to be busting a gut laughing at Biden. He makes Gerald Ford seem professorial.

Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Long Live a Free Persia!

Hang the mullahs and ayatollahs!

Before they hang you…

profitsbeard on July 5, 2009 at 11:17 AM

. Her bag of military tricks is deep and wide.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM

tks.for the facts. I’m a little short of them on this topic.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Dylan knew….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9O5DU6i3g4&feature=related

patrick neid on July 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM

If the clerics of Iran bolt, what does Khamenei have left?

The guns.

edshepp on July 5, 2009 at 11:23 AM

It still comes down in the end of rooting for Hitler or Stalin. No pick here.

Jeff from WI on July 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Yes! We are witnessing the end of an Islamic government. It may be replaced by another but I doubt it. Freedom and self determination is spreading in the middle east. Thanks to President Bush.

Guardian on July 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM

What in God’s name did Bush have anything to do with the Iranian’s protest? They elected Khatami long before Bush entered the scene.

Fool.

A Axe on July 5, 2009 at 11:26 AM

What with?

OldEnglish on July 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Newcastle Brown. Just his little joke on Islam.

Fortunata on July 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Fortunata on July 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Too good for them. :)

OldEnglish on July 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM

In a country without a 2nd Amendment, does this really matter?

And if Bush had lived up to his vow that Iran would never be allowed to possess nuclear weapons, how much would we care what the Mullahs of Qum think?

guntotinglibertarian on July 5, 2009 at 11:34 AM

What in God’s name did Bush have anything to do with the Iranian’s protest? They elected Khatami long before Bush entered the scene.

Fool.

A Axe on July 5, 2009 at 11:26 AM

The idea is that making Iraq a democracy has forced people living in neighboring countries to want the same thing. Its not a far fetched idea.

William Amos on July 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Either way, five years from now will be unrecognizable from today.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Maybe five weeks or even five days.

I wonder if Khomeini is getting excited by all the growing chaos around him? He may think the 12th Imam is close and decide to fire all of his guns at once.

BL@KBIRD on July 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM

For those who think it doesn’t matter….well, fine, let us say Islamic government A is as bad as Islamic government B.

What is the benefit of supporting the protestors? How is this effecting the Iranian nuclear program? Wouldn’t the Iranian government be just as concerned about the people inside their program as they are about the people on the street? Could this at least slow the development of the Mullah Bomb? Is it worth saving the West, or Israel, six months? A year?

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

pilamaye on July 5, 2009 at 10:26 AM

The present mental state of Ali Khamenei Obama and the Guardian Council Congress can be pretty much summed up in the following:

DO WHAT WE SAY, OR WE WILL KILL YOU!!! WE WILL KILL YOU ALL!!!! EVERY ONE OF YOU, WE WILL KILL!!! AND WHEN WE ARE DONE, AND YOU ARE ALL DEAD, AND WE HAVE NO ONE ELSE LEFT TO KILL, WE WILL KILL OURSELVES!!! BECAUSE WE ARE ALL NUTS!!! WE ARE LOONS!!! WE ARE ALL THREE FRENCH FRIES SHY OF A HAPPY MEAL!!! WE ARE ALL RAVING LUNATICS, AND WE WILL KILL YOU ALL!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

So much for the Islamic American Revolution.

Time for change New President.

Ok fixed!

xler8bmw on July 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Obama is satisfied with the legitimacy of the election results. It doesn’t matter what a bunch of mullahs in Qum have to say about it.

Cicero43 on July 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Obama is satisfied with the legitimacy of the election results. It doesn’t matter what a bunch of mullahs in Qum have to say about it.

Cicero43 on July 5, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Obama think’s he’s the 12th Imam (is Obama Shi’a or Sunni??) and can tell his disciples what to do.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM

What in God’s name did Bush have anything to do with the Iranian’s protest? They elected Khatami long before Bush entered the scene.Fool.A Axe on July 5, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Idiot. It has not escaped the attention of the Persians that their co-religionists in Iraq are free.

You idiots mocked the neocon idea that if the seeds of democracy were planted in Iraq they would spread throughout the middle east. Now that you are being proven wrong, it’s hardly surprising that you’re in denial.

Basilsbest on July 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

He may think the 12th Imam is close and decide to fire all of his guns at once.

BL@KBIRD on July 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Well, he closer. Barry’s on his way to Moscow.

JiangxiDad on July 5, 2009 at 11:51 AM

George Bush: visionary and liberator.

Obama: reactionary.

Basilsbest on July 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Could this at least slow the development of the Mullah Bomb? Is it worth saving the West, or Israel, six months? A year?

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Granted that i don’t know chalk from cheese on the subject, but wouldn’t the scientific and technical community, working on the bomb, be cloistered, removed from political events? As long as they are supplied with the required materials they could just keep working – possibly under duress.

OldEnglish on July 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

OldEnglish on July 5, 2009 at 11:55 AM

If one thing is certain it is that military dictatorships are a paranoid lot. On the intelligence side this is a perfect opportunity for the spooks to flood the Iranian information highways with disinformation about program insiders rooting on the protestors. These jackboots in charge have to deal with internal chaos and that is going to make them suspect everyone and anyone.

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM

It looks like the Islamic leaders in Qum and the Saudis have told Obambi to shut up and go away. No one respects a unuch puppet who talks out of both sides of his mouth. Thanks for the CHANGE, democrats.

volsense on July 5, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Limerick on July 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Okay. Roll on, Mossad!

OldEnglish on July 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM

This is interesting. I so wish we could see a regime change in Tehran rather than a future war.

Terrye on July 5, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Dear Iranians:

No hope for you.

No change for you.

Sincerely,
Barry in D.C.

grgeil on July 5, 2009 at 11:05 AM

No soup for you.

Sincerely,

Soup Nazi

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on July 5, 2009 at 12:37 PM

This is a very good sign for the Iranian people, at least those who survive the brutal suppression, trials, executions, and potential “divine” civil war.

Loxodonta on July 5, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Who’s going to help the move for democracy? Certainly not President Obama. Russia? Nope. Saudis? Nope. Europe? Nope. Unless they can get their military to turn, all there will be us much blood in the streets and many executions. In “normal” times, the CIA would be smuggling arms to them or cutting secret deals with their military. They have no ocean separating them from the tyrant like we did with Britain. They have no France to lend them aid. An uprising by the people will do little more than cost lives and all that blood will be directly on Obama’s hands.

CC

CapedConservative on July 5, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Has anyone read this about what’s happening to the Iranians who worked at the British embassy in Tehran? Grim reading.

Fortunata on July 5, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Yes! We are witnessing the end of an Islamic government. It may be replaced by another but I doubt it. Freedom and self determination is spreading in the middle east. Thanks to President Bush.

Guardian on July 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM

No end to islamic government, sorry. The people there WANT islamic government, they just don’t want to be slaves to a corrupt version of it. They want democracy, but they want THEIR version of democracy, not the western version.

People are quick to make the mistake of thinking all democracies should or would mimic western style democracies. It isn’t the case. Middle eastern governments will never be run like western governments because their culture is more deeply rooted in their religion, and that cannot be separated from their daily lives, which includes the operation of government.

I’m not criticizing them for it, it’s fine if that’s what the majority wants. In a democracy it’s the people’s right to define what kind of government they want, as long as it’s a government BY, FOR, and OF the people and it supports them as much as they support the government.

Rock on, Iranians

Spiritk9 on July 5, 2009 at 12:44 PM

If the clerics of Iran bolt, what does Khamenei have left?

Dr Evil on July 5, 2009 at 12:51 PM

This reminds me of that quote from Stalin when he was told that the Pope objected to his oppression of Catholics: How many divisions does he have?

Bennett on July 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Hopefully Khamenei’s position isn’t as solid as Stalin’s was. But if the protesters don’t win, he probably WILL solidify his authority.

hawksruleva on July 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM

What in God’s name did Bush have anything to do with the Iranian’s protest? They elected Khatami long before Bush entered the scene

A Axe on July 5, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Pffft. Typical Lefty. All mouth and no substance. Can’t see past the Obama smear on your nose.

Not only will Iran eventually become some type of democracy but Egypt will soon follow. It can’t be stopped. President Bush has changed the world for the better. Now THAT’S hope and change I can believe in.

Guardian on July 5, 2009 at 1:07 PM

What say you Obama?

“present”.

Guardian on July 5, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Worth reading.

Guardian on July 5, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Neda still speaks.

Maquis on July 5, 2009 at 1:34 PM

What in God’s name did Bush have anything to do with the Iranian’s protest? They elected Khatami long before Bush entered the scene.

Millions of Shia Muslims in Iran saw that millions of Shia muslims in Iraq could overthrow a hated, despised system of government and elect a fellow Shia to rule over them. They saw that the ballot box can rule over tyranny. And now they want that in their country as well.

They have hope now.They’ve had tyranny from the either the Shah or the Mullahs for the past 50 years, and now they have hope for freedom.

May we as a nation have the courage we had in 1981 when Poland sought it’s freedom rather than the cowardice we showed in 1989 with China and Tiananmen Square.

ExUrbanKevin on July 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM

…a friend of mine, who I went to University with 32 years ago, lives in Tehran now with her family.

She sent me the following link; some of the pictures have been seen before, others, not.

She says at night, her and her family go up on the roof and shout “Allah o’ Akbar”:

http://www.pbase.com/masud/irans_disputed_election&page=all

Dale in Atlanta on July 5, 2009 at 3:02 PM

Ya know … Khamenei … was NOT an Ayatollah when he was nominated to become supreme leader. He was only a simple cleric. The Constitution of Iran had to be amended to allow him to become the Supreme Leader. I believe he has the title of Grand Ayatollah now but …

I wonder if some of the REAL Grand Ayatollahs are a bit resentful at the way he got that title? Khomeini was a hateful man – and he DID have enemies in the cleric ranks and especially in the Grand Ayatollah ranks. So I wonder if some of those enemies are spiteful of Khamenei because he’s only become a Grand Ayatollah by virtue of the fact that he was Khomeini’s most cherished butt-boy. So this may be one source of disagreement coming from the clerics.

Another source of course – is the fact that many of the clerics believe they should play no role really in government. Sistani in Iraq is one … but Shariatmadari (who was pretty much tormented to death by Khomeini – was another).

We need to let this play out and hope the clerics splitting with Khamenei come out on top. But we should not support them – because doing so would only give credibility to Khamenei.

HondaV65 on July 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM

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