Krauthammer: Palin isn’t a serious candidate for president

posted at 4:40 pm on July 2, 2009 by Allahpundit

Oh yes, he went there. We’ve been having a running debate on Twitter this afternoon about Sarahcuda and my contention that criticism of her is verboten among righty blog readers, HA’s included. This thread will be an interesting test case. Most of the heat Kraut takes will be for his contention that “You cannot sustain a campaign of platitudes and clichés over a year and a half if you’re running for the presidency.” Didn’t Captain Hopenchange do exactly that? Well, yes and no. Granted, the most memorable line he uttered in 18 months on the trail was “Yes we can,” but he’s done countless policy interviews, debated Hillary 20 times and McCain three, and held numerous press conferences. The TOTUS jokes are fun but The One’s perfectly capable of straying off script when need be. Is Palin? She seems at ease when discussing energy or life issues but the jury’s still out on most everything else, which is why Kraut feels comfortable asserting that she hasn’t (yet) brushed up on national policy the way we all thought she would.

While we’re on the subject of uttering anti-Palin heresies, I guess Frank J. from IMAO and I are the only two who thought the ‘Cuda came off worse in the Palin/Schmidt campaign e-mail exchange about the Alaska secessionist party published this morning by CBS. Quote:

“That’s not part of their platform and [Todd] was only a ‘member’ bc independent alaskans too often check that ‘Alaska Independent’ box on voter registrations thinking it just means non partisan,” Palin wrote. “He caught his error when changing our address and checked the right box. I still want it fixed.”

Palin was attempting to bend the facts ever so slightly to fit neatly into her version of events. In truth, the box that Alaskans have the option of checking when registering to vote states the full name of the party, “Alaskan Independence Party,” not “Alaska Independent,” which would make an error by uncommitted voters more plausible.

Clearly irritated by what he saw as Palin’s attempt to mislead her own campaign and apparently determined to demonstrate that the ultimate authority rested with him, Schmidt put the matter to rest once and for all with a longer response to everyone in the e-mail chain.

“Secession,” he wrote. “It is their entire reason for existence. A cursory examination of the website shows that the party exists for the purpose of seceding from the union. That is the stated goal on the front page of the web site. Our records indicate that todd was a member for seven years. If this is incorrect then we need to understand the discrepancy. The statement you are suggesting be released would be innaccurate. The innaccuracy would bring greater media attention to this matter and be a distraction. According to your staff there have been no media inquiries into this and you received no questions about it during your interviews. If you are asked about it you should smile and say many alaskans who love their country join the party because it speeks to a tradition of political independence. Todd loves his country

We will not put out a statement and inflame this and create a situation where john has to adress this.”

The leak is one thing, but on the merits Schmidt’s strategy is the better of the two. Why inflame the story, with bad information no less? Reading this, the Cuda’s decision to fire back at Levi Johnston in press releases starts to make more sense. Like Frum says, before Palinistas start filling her coffers, they’ll at least want some evidence that she can mount a competent national campaign. Right?

I’ll leave you with two pro-Sarah pieces for balance, one from Republican bigwig Fred Malek calling her “smart, curious, hard working, charming, and effective” and attesting that he’s personally seen her hold her own in private discussions on policy with heavy hitters. The other’s from Jim Geraghty, theorizing why it is that the left despises her so. He’s certainly got part of the answer — happy, successful pro-life conservative women are a grievous offense to leftist feminism — but I think he misses the element of sheer contempt they have for her intellect. To the left, I think, she embodies a sort of comfort with ignorance that they think characterizes most/all conservatives. Why they’ve come to see her that way is complicated (part of it’s probably educational pedigree, part of it’s her affinity for rural pastimes like hunting, part of it’s the Katie Couric interview and the canned answers she gave at the debate with Biden), but I think it’s a mistake to assume that their antipathy is rooted in nothing but fear and defensiveness. That’s not true of the right vis-a-vis The One, after all. Is it?

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Oh and just a reminder you poor martyred soul. You responded to my post first with a straw man that completely mis-characterized my statement. You asked for proof of Palin’s Creationism as it relates to schools claiming it was a lie. I and others provided her own words showing you to be wrong. Now you play the religious martyr and a victim. Pathetic. Mostly so for how predictable it is. Thanks for being my cat toy but you’re all spitty now and it’s time for my nap.

ronsfi on July 2, 2009 at 8:16 PM

Check outside if Pigs are flying,

MSNBC video, Roger Simon defending Palin, and it was a FAIR PIECE. They say MCCAIN WAS THE DRAG ON THE TICKET NOT PALIN.

portlandon on July 2, 2009 at 7:47 PM

If you had to fly around the campaign trail with all that extra weight of Chubs on the plane, you would drag, too.

Blake on July 2, 2009 at 8:17 PM

That’s more of a gray area, of course, assuming it doesn’t disrupt the science curriculum or pave the way for teachers to teach creationism as though it were science. That belongs in philosophy or another class.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2009 at 8:15 PM

What are you going to do? Suspend a kid for piping up and saying “That’s not what my bible says”? I agree, dwelling on it too long and responding to an endless series of goalpost-shifting ID “arguments” would distract from class, but classroom management should be up to the teacher, IMO.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:18 PM

The Hammer is seldom, if ever, wrong.

The man is a genius.

It is terribly unfortunate he is Canadian born because if he ran for office I’d vote for him in a heartbeat.

As I’ve been saying for a very long time, since the furor over getting Palin propped up as McCain’s running-mate began, Sarah Palin is NON VIABLE. PERIOD. End of story.

She needs to be shelved, STAT. A viable candidate needs to be propped up by the GOP and needs to start getting serious face time… immediately if not sooner!

I live in California.

I can see Mexico from my house!

SilverStar830 on July 2, 2009 at 6:53 PM

1. Yes, Charles is a brilliant analyst and pundit. But, he offers analysis of something he has never done, and like all of us, he can be wrong. He’s projecting ahead 3-1/2 years.
2.Governor Palin was not “propped up” during the campaign; she brought energy and spark to a moribund campaign.
3. If thoughtful conservatives bring forth a strong candidate, who may well be Governor Palin, it’s up to the GOP to support and back that candidate. No one of strength will need to be propped up.
4. You close with an attack on Tina Fey. Why do you hate Ms. Fey so much as to mock her?

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 8:18 PM

I’m mailing a Python to DaveS’s house.

HornetSting on July 2, 2009 at 8:19 PM

FloatingRock, Palin seems to simply oppose prohibition on discussion of topics that come up in class while discussing the theory of evolution. She has given no indication that she favors actually adding ID or creationism to curricula (which would be a stupid idea).

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:12 PM
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Attn: HA commenters, This individual is OT. I am leaving this thread. That is my way of ignoring it. You chose your own way,

Americannodash on July 2, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:08 PM

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Another lie.

The main problem with all these stories is that they were all denied by members of Darwin’s family. Francis Darwin wrote to Thomas Huxley on 8 February 1887, that a report that Charles had renounced evolution on his deathbed was ‘false and without any kind of foundation’,4 and in 1917 Francis affirmed that he had ‘no reason whatever to believe that he [his father] ever altered his agnostic point of view’.5 Charles’s daughter Henrietta (Litchfield) wrote on page 12 of the London evangelical weekly, The Christian, for 23 February 1922, ‘I was present at his deathbed. Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or belief. He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier … . The whole story has no foundation whatever’.6 Some have even concluded that there was no Lady Hope.

I chose a source that you can’t claim is biased toward evolution.

http://creation.com/did-charles-darwin-recant.

Happy Independence Day!

ronsfi on July 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM

I love Sarah. I think she would be a great President. I would supoort her and volunteer for her. I know she is smart. I know she is up on foreign policy (she’s probably a political junkie) she understands conservatism and lives it. I have no concerns about her abilities and can’t wait to support her fully if she decides to run. I live in Los Angeles and I know a lot of men and women like me who like and want to support her no natter what the elitist beltway Republicans and the Hatefilled Left led by Obbama and Co say.

CCRWM on July 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM

She needs to quit getting into tit-for-tats with David Letterman, for starters.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 7:14 PM

He insulted her kids for no good reason, and he apologized for it. Yeah, what a disaster for her.

Jim Treacher on July 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM

HornetSting on July 2, 2009 at 8:19 PM

I don’t think that would shut him up. He is determined to share his opinion tonight. I agree with Bishop. A little snobbery goes a long way.

kingsjester on July 2, 2009 at 8:24 PM

I don’t think she is a serious contender. I like Sarah and I think she does well as a governor, but not as President. Repubs need to move on to another candidate.

Haley Barbour? …and wouldn’t rule Jindal out just yet, either.

RR

ramrants on July 2, 2009 at 8:24 PM

… How was that off-topic?

I suspect your real problem is that you are being exposed to beliefs that differ from your own. You prefer an echo chamber. That’s fine. Go find one.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:24 PM

She needs to quit getting into tit-for-tats with David Letterman, for starters.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 7:14 PM

I’m hoping this is some new form of trollish sarcasm. If not, it’s a spectacularly stupid thing to say.

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 8:25 PM

I am suprised Governor Palin announced her intentions to run so early. I must have missed it. If she does indeed run as many are speculating. One of two things will happen. She will be exposed in the election cycle(debates with fellow GOP contenders) as in over her head. I mean that is the way it works. You face the grind of an election cycle and make your case to the people. The GOP electorate will decide who is ready, willing, and able to lead our party against the possible second term for Team O.
The second alternative is that she not only survives the primaries, but is nominated by the GOP voters. This is not as complicated as many make it seem. You either win or lose. Seems very early in the cycle to be breaking down the contenders, oh wait we just do that with Governor Palin. I know AP it drives traffic. No matter who wins I see the GOP with there own version of the PUMA’s. If things are this ugly now, just wait till we have a nominee. The question will be whether the Palin cult(proud member) or the progressive Republicans keep there votes and sit 2012 out.

chief on July 2, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Americannodash on July 2, 2009 at 8:21 PM

If you’re going to leave because of idiot trolls… they win… so you might as well not come back. I stay and fight because we have a war coming and the faint won’t last.

CCRWM on July 2, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Sorry Charlie but Sarah will deposit you in the Peggy Noonan dustbin in 2012. If you don’t want to row you are not welcome in the boat. I respect CK greatly but he is convinced you need an intellectual wizard like Barry as CIC because a commoner like Sarah is not acceptable. I don’t think it is sexism but rather that Chuckie just cannot mask his snobbish elitism.

It ain’t brain surgery pal. A belief in America and the greatness of the American people is all that is required at this point.

Fear us. We are coming.

Sarah2012

DeweyWins on July 2, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Would you please explain what you mean by the sentences I highlighted?

Loxodonta on July 2, 2009 at 8:26 PM

I was pondering quite vigorously about what to say in my comment to this post, but…
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Well, if I could just get ol’ “DaveS” to write one for me I’m sure it would be much more splendiferous than any commentary that I could possibly aspire to conceive.

Cody Baker on July 2, 2009 at 8:26 PM

What are you going to do? Suspend a kid for piping up and saying “That’s not what my bible says”? I agree, dwelling on it too long and responding to an endless series of goalpost-shifting ID “arguments” would distract from class, but classroom management should be up to the teacher, IMO.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Not me. That happened in my first science class in which we undertook the topic in depth. People had their say and then we went on learning science. They didn’t disrupt the class.

But if kids are allowed to disrupt science education with creationism talking-points or if Sarah supports paving the way for teachers to bring in their own material to teach creationism as though it were science, that would be bad.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Hey, Bishop, you see why I give people crap about horrible logic? This is exhibit A.
DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Well of COURSE you’re going to give people crap about their “horrible” logic; you’ve been jumping down the throat of just about everyone on this thread in a rabid attempt to display what you believe is your intellectual superiority.

Are you sure it isn’t you who has the problem?

Bishop on July 2, 2009 at 8:27 PM

He insulted her kids for no good reason, and he apologized for it. Yeah, what a disaster for her.

Jim Treacher on July 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM

I don’t think it was good for her. Yeah, people sympathized with her on that particular “incident” and she “won”, but she still made a prominent appearance in the headlines for a few days because she was in a spat with David Letterman. That doesn’t scream seriousness.

A simple, above-it-all, dismissive smack-down would have been a much better response. For Palin, the “any publicity is good publicity” axiom isn’t necessarily true right now. Her media appearances from here until 2012 need to be focused on rehabilitating her image outside of the base.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Romney/Palin ‘12
He will have the economic cred the country will need after the collapse following TOTUS and Cabal of DC Dunces unchecked power..she has the heart and the energy of many voters, not just the GOP :0)

ginaswo on July 2, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Not a chance. Sarah is not gonna join those who continuously have backstabbed her. If in the rare event he beats her in a primary, she should sit it out, finish her 2nd term and run for the senate in 2014.

Romney still has not realized that going medieval on Sarah will simply make her supporters work even harder to beat him and they will not support him if he wins due to the bad blood from his breaking the 11th.

Sarah will not be a victim of battered wife/veep syndrome again.

Sapwolf on July 2, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Attn: HA commenters, This individual is OT. I am leaving this thread. That is my way of ignoring it. You chose your own way,

Americannodash on July 2, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Huh? That wasn’t off topic. It was about Palin’s views on an issue. The topic is Palin. If you don’t want to talk about Palin, you’re right to cease your participation in this thread.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Dave S – be warned.
Sparring with Bishop is a little like juggling chain saws. It looks cool, but the first hundred times you try, you’ll get cut.

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Gaily bedight,
A gallant knight,
In sunshine and in shadow
Had journeyed long,
Singing a song,
In search of Eldorado.

But he grew old-
This knight so bold-
And o’er his heart a shadow
Fell as he found
No spot of ground
That looked like Eldorado.

And, as his strength
Failed him at length,
He met a pilgrim shadow-
“Shadow,” said he,
“Where can it be-
This land of Eldorado?”

“Over the Mountains
Of the Moon,
Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,”
The shade replied-
“If you seek for Eldorado!”

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

My take on Palin is simple. I imagine her as our PRESENT vice-president and I compare my imaginations to the guy in there now. No way Biden his time Biden is the better person for the job. McCain was a lost cause from the start. He should have taken the hint when the media appeared to praise him for fifteen minutes or so. Media praise someone and I know I don`t trust em. O`bummer says something and it is usually a lie or at best prevarication. Therefore all of the uhs and tas and hmms . . . . Without the teleprompter his mind is consumed with how he will look or appear or how his comments will appear in future vids. People who speak the truth tend to (tend to) speak fairly smoothly. Otherwise his mind is bent on keeping the truth of his agenda from the American public. All of this prevarication and lying must be most fatiguing. But the fact that the bummer sleeps like a babe at night is most unreassuring, I assure you. Prevaricator Obama of the United States of America–The logical outcome of a public no longer educated properly in the basics, including the uniqueness of this country. Not a perfect country, but if you know of one, let me know. And if you know of one better than America, let me know that, too. Without Liberty, there can be no happiness. Prevaricator bummer is intent on making us squirt tears big time. Good news for kleenex, I imagine. Time to invest!

Sherman1864 on July 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

CK is my hero. Among the smartest/wisest guys around. But heh, did he really say that Palin should “bone up”.

I’ve grown to respect Mitt a lot. His proven competence is what we’re going to need to get this economy out of the ditch in 2012. Palin, on the other hand, has star power and the cultural high ground. Neither is a pantywaist on foreign policy.

How about Romney/Palin 2012?

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

I’m hoping this is some new form of trollish sarcasm. If not, it’s a spectacularly stupid thing to say.
massrighty on July 2, 2

What’s spectacularly stupid about it?

Are you sure it isn’t you who has the problem?

Bishop on July 2, 2009 at 8:27 PM009 at 8:25 PM

LOL, yes, I’m very sure of that.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM

I’m a diehard Palin supporter. No secret there. Honestly? When I read Krauthammer’s comments, it didn’t bother me in the slightest and my first thought was that he has a right to his opinion and that I’m grateful someone is talking about something relevant as opposed to nonsense and fairy tales as is usually the case. The fact is, we don’t really know what Palin knows about other issues other than her performance in the VP debate with Biden. Many people say she was the clear winner in that debate. Indeed, Ed Morrissey said she hit a home run. It’s not okay to assume she’s an expert. Neither is it okay to assume she’s a clueless rube, particularly given her performance in the debate which is clearly the only major opportunity she’s had to show what she’s made of.

gocatholic on July 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM

I don’t think it was good for her. Yeah, people sympathized with her on that particular “incident” and she “won”, but she still made a prominent appearance in the headlines for a few days because she was in a spat with David Letterman. That doesn’t scream seriousness.

As opposed to, say, declaring war on Rush Limbaugh.

A simple, above-it-all, dismissive smack-down would have been a much better response. For Palin, the “any publicity is good publicity” axiom isn’t necessarily true right now. Her media appearances from here until 2012 need to be focused on rehabilitating her image outside of the base.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:28 PM

You seem concerned.

Jim Treacher on July 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM

I suspect your real problem is that you are being exposed to beliefs that differ from your own. You prefer an echo chamber. That’s fine. Go find one.
DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Person A: I don’t like Dogs.

Dave S: You must really like ice cream cones then!

Bishop on July 2, 2009 at 8:33 PM

LOL, yes, I’m very sure of that.
DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Well, that makes one of us.

Bishop on July 2, 2009 at 8:34 PM

I agree. I want more choices. I too like Palin very much, but I have to agree that I want more substance from her. I’d love to read some of her conservative writings if anyone can post them for us to read. Reagan spent the late 70s writing paper after paper on conservatism. I’m not saying she needs to be Reagan, I’m just saying I want to read her thoughts and analysis on conservative principals and read why she is a conservative.

So far, it has been a lot of platitudes and cliches from her. Very good stuff, but I’d like more detail. She’s given great speeches and for the most part governs as a conservative (the conservatives in AK love her from what I read).

Before I get beat up and attacked, if you can provide references on her conservative writings, which I’ve looked for and asked others for, then I’ll stand corrected on questioning her deep conservative thinking.

kerrhome on July 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I haven’t read much deep stuff from any of the alternatives to Palin, either. Romney? Not much beyond “we need economic recovery in order to revive this great nation”. Jindal? Not much beyond his less-than-stellar response to Obama’s speech. And yet Palin’s the one who’s expected to be out there publishing treatises on conservative theory? I think among the potentials, she’s the one with the least to prove.

ddrintn on July 2, 2009 at 8:34 PM

How about Romney/Palin 2012?

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

If anything it would be Palin\Romney but I sincerely don’t beieve Romney is electable…

CCRWM on July 2, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Palin has A LOT of catching up to do if she’s going to be able to compete with Mitt.

csdeven on July 2, 2009 at 7:57 PM

She doesn’t need to study much to whoop Mittens.

She does need to study up to be POTUS.

Sapwolf on July 2, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Sarah Palin’s performance during the campaign was underwhelming and often cringe-inducing. It was obvious that she was just skimming the surface of issues, and that any deeper probing would expose how unfamiliar she was with the questions at hand (a la the Katie Couric interview). You can’t cram actual knowledge and expertise, which it appears the McCain campaign aides eventually found out. The advice Purdum quotes some republicans as giving her in the Vanity Fair article- “go home, keep her head down, show that she could govern effectively, and quietly educate herself about foreign and domestic policy with the help of a cadre of experienced advisers”- is exactly what she should be doing.
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It is unquestionably troubling that several top McCain officials saw her as that unfit and unprepared for national office. Just as disturbing is her apparent willingness to play fast and loose with the truth and her inability to see just how hard that would come back and bite the campaign. That cannot just be swept under the rug. The media will continue to bring it up, and it is actually a very valid thing to consider.
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Palin fans need to stop pretending that (a) she was awe-inspiring during the campaign; (b) these criticisms from McCain aides are unimportant; (c) she is some type of enormously popular figure around the country; (d) this is some kind of conspiracy between Mitt Romney’s people and the White House; (e) criticizing Palin is disgraceful and makes somebody a RINO; (f) knowledge and thoughtfulness equals “beltway elitism”.
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The governor has a lot of potential and talent, but she just isn’t ready yet. She needs to buckle down and delve into serious policy questions and develop her own brand and political philosophy; assemble her own team of competent advisors and aides that she can rely on going forward; and work on broadening her appeal beyond just the republican base. Krauthammer is absolutely right that she can’t run a campaign on slogans and platitudes. The media will absolutely destroy her (if they haven’t already, which I’m afraid is a distinct possibility) if she tries.

kjl on July 2, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Of course, they ALL will be studying up, not just Sarah.

Sapwolf on July 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM

ddrintn:

Yes, I know this is true. Pawlenty and Mitch Daniels are not expected to talk about foreign affairs.

Terrye on July 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM

What does Darwinism have to do with modern science? The guy never heard of RNA. He never saw the double-helix. “Gene frequency” meant the recurrence of men named Gene to him.

Chris_Balsz on July 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM

I like Sarah Palin and have serious doubts she can win the nomination, but hey, that is what the primary process is for. She will rise to the occasion or not.

I thought Fred Thompson would run away with it when he jumped in, but the problem was he slowly ambled, moved around a bit and then decided to sleep in with Jeri. So lay off Krauthammer, given the evidence so far his opinion is not completely crazy.

Mr. Joe on July 2, 2009 at 8:38 PM

How about Romney/Palin 2012?

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM

If anything it would be Palin\Romney but I sincerely don’t beieve Romney is electable…

CCRWM on July 2, 2009 at 8:35 PM

Josef Mengele would run better in Miami Beach against Obama than Mitt Romney.

He’s that phony.

Mitt Romney’s five sons are eager to serve their country just like Track Palin, but they’re waiting for their draft numbers to be called.

The beatdown that Barack Obama will administer on Mitt Romney will be historic, and satisfying for conservatives only insofar as it will be shared by David Frum.

victor82 on July 2, 2009 at 8:40 PM

What’s spectacularly stupid about it?

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:32 PM

You suggest she got into a “tit-for-tat” with Letterman. Let’s try using words that work.

Her daughter was visciously attacked, in the cheapest and meanest way possible, on two back to back nights on TV.

Her response to this? Measured, appropriate. She did not answer him in a way that would provoke him, as your use of “tit-for-tat” would imply.

See, her family was ambushed, and she responded. Much more accurate.

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 8:41 PM

The GOP has a serious branding issue as being the party of boring old white men. Krauthammer lists Bush Sr., Dole and McCain as examples of the “next in line” approach, as if the nomination were owed to anyone. Romney will fail to win a general election as all his predecessors Krauthammer listed. Of course, that won’t stop Republican “elites” from nominating him.

I agree that Palin needs to expand her vocabulary, curb her tendency to ramble work with advisors who will help her with a platform. The only thing Palin lacks is gravitas, but that’s hardly beyond her abilities. Finally, as for Krauthammer’s comment about platitudes… did he miss the last election? Obama won on some vague promises of change and “Yes, we can.” It’s too early to write Palin off.

alliebobbitt on July 2, 2009 at 8:41 PM

As opposed to, say, declaring war on Rush Limbaugh.

Assuming you’re referring to our decidely moronic President… what does the one have to do with the other? There are certain realities of the media environment that Palin has to deal with. Obama can attack Rush Limbaugh and have a feud with him and a fawning press will run cover for him to the extent that they can.

Notably, Obama came off as an idiot, and even his political allies began to point out that he looked petty. And, more notably, Obama is already the President. Obama’s tit-for-tat with Limbaugh has nothing to do with whether Palin should be encouraging a media circus around a back and forth with a comedian.

And I am concerned… I was a very early supporter of Palin. Right now, I wouldn’t support her in a primary. If she is going to be in the national news–which she needs to be–she needs to make sure that it is in a context that bolsters her image and inspires confidence in her leadership.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM

I haven’t read much deep stuff from any of the alternatives to Palin, either. Romney? Not much beyond “we need economic recovery in order to revive this great nation”. Jindal? Not much beyond his less-than-stellar response to Obama’s speech. And yet Palin’s the one who’s expected to be out there publishing treatises on conservative theory? I think among the potentials, she’s the one with the least to prove.

Amen. She’s being held to a higher standard. Good thing she doesn’t shy away from that sort of thing. She not only has expressed a love for kicking down doors, she’s got a record of doing it. I know a little about crucifixion and hard knocks and as a Catholic, I know that we are not to shy away from it but to rejoice in these things as opportunities for growing stronger in our resolve, to stick to our guns, to fight the good fight, to develop character through perseverence. Who cares if people hold her to a higher standard? Let them do it. The strong survive and emerge stronger. Bring it on.

gocatholic on July 2, 2009 at 8:48 PM

What does Darwinism have to do with modern science? The guy never heard of RNA. He never saw the double-helix. “Gene frequency” meant the recurrence of men named Gene to him.

Chris_Balsz on July 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM

That’s kind of where the evolution fairy tale begins.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:48 PM

See, her family was ambushed, and she responded. Much more accurate.

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Oh, please. A notable idiot comedian made a stupid joke that was in bad taste, and she responded like this, by issuing a press release. A press release is what you do when you are inviting media attention.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM

See, her family was ambushed, and she responded. Much more accurate.

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Oh, please. A notable idiot comedian made a stupid joke that was in bad taste, and she responded like this, by issuing a press release. A press release is what you do when you are inviting media attention.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM

Only a gutless coward would walk away and say/do nothing when a your 14 year old daughter is attacked. That’s the problems with the GOP, to damned many gutless cowards

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Oh, please. A notable idiot comedian made a stupid joke that was in bad taste, and she responded like this, by issuing a press release. A press release is what you do when you are inviting media attention.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM

What prism do you view these things through?
Her family was attacked, twice.
Would you have her not respond? Would you not respond?

Writing these things off as jokes is demented.

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Kind of like this idiot Krauthammer. This guy knows squat about real Americans.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:54 PM

What does Darwinism have to do with modern science? The guy never heard of RNA. He never saw the double-helix. “Gene frequency” meant the recurrence of men named Gene to him.

Chris_Balsz on July 2, 2009 at 8:37 PM

That’s like asking, “What does Newton’s laws of physics have to do with modern science? He’d never heard of the atom or molecules. ‘The Theory of Relativity’ meant the study of family relations and heredity to him.”

But it’s also a separate topic.

FloatingRock on July 2, 2009 at 8:57 PM

Kind of like this idiot Krauthammer. This guy knows squat about real Americans.

Whoa, hey. I have a great deal of respect for Krauthammer. I don’t take to bashing Palin as a rube and I don’t take to bashing Krauthammer as an “establishment” person out of touch simply because he’s brilliant and I disagree with him.

Krauthammer has a right to his opinion. I disagree with it and think the VP debate proves how wrong he is, but I assuredly protest to his being called an “idiot”. Bad form, Jeff.

gocatholic on July 2, 2009 at 8:58 PM

Kind of like this idiot Krauthammer. This guy knows squat about real Americans.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Krauthammer is no idiot.

terryannonline on July 2, 2009 at 8:59 PM

Kind of like this idiot Krauthammer. This guy knows squat about real Americans.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Krauthammer is certainly not an idiot. Think about it this way: If Sarah Palin has been or is going to hit the books, that means she must agree with him. Would that make Palin an idiot, too?

FloatingRock on July 2, 2009 at 9:00 PM

… when a your 14 year old daughter is attacked

… her family was attacked, twice.
Would you have her not respond? Would you not respond?

Well, no, I wouldn’t dignify it with a response, but that’s beside the point.

Nobody–and I include you, whether you own up to it or not–thought Letterman was actually intending to make the joke about a 14 year old girl. Ridiculous feigned outrage used to be something that we made fun of Democrats and the left for… now, I think the right wins the award for best “aggrieved victim act”.

Bonus points for the ridiculous hyperbolic language up there guys. “Attacked”… nice.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM

When are we going to get the next religion thread? I’ve been training all week…

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I am sooooo done with the Letterman deal. Can we give that a rest? Please?

gocatholic on July 2, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Nobody–and I include you, whether you own up to it or not–thought Letterman was actually intending to make the joke about a 14 year old girl. Ridiculous feigned outrage used to be something that we made fun of Democrats and the left for… now, I think the right wins the award for best “aggrieved victim act”.

Bonus points for the ridiculous hyperbolic language up there guys. “Attacked”… nice.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I don’t know… Sometimes we say what we are really thinking… I’ve been startled about some of the things that I’ve thought… and a few things that have come out of my mouth…

Do you really think that Letterman, man of morals sees a huge difference between a 14 yo and an 18yo?

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Kind of like this idiot Krauthammer. This guy knows squat about real Americans.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:54 PM

Krauthammer is no idiot.

terryannonline on July 2, 2009 at 8:59 PM

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Ditto and “real Americans”…overrated.

ronsfi on July 2, 2009 at 9:05 PM

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM

I used attacked in the correct way; words mean things. It’s not feigned outrage – it’s very real outrage. It’s always been the case, before now, that the children of political candidates were off-limits. Now, if you choose to think it’s OK for either of her daughters to be maligned, twice, for the cheapest of laughs, that’s fine.

So, do share; what jokes do you have about President Obama’s daughters?

Fair warning – I’ll be just as outraged by them.

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 9:07 PM

Assuming you’re referring to our decidely moronic President… what does the one have to do with the other?

Oh, nothing whatsoever.

Notably, Obama came off as an idiot, and even his political allies began to point out that he looked petty. And, more notably, Obama is already the President. Obama’s tit-for-tat with Limbaugh has nothing to do with whether Palin should be encouraging a media circus around a back and forth with a comedian.

Palin was defending her kids from a very disturbing slur. Obama went out of his way to slap back at somebody who criticizes his policies.

And I am concerned… I was a very early supporter of Palin.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Tell it to Aesop.

Jim Treacher on July 2, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Josef Mengele would run better in Miami Beach against Obama than Mitt Romney.

victor82 on July 2, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Call me obtuse. I just cannot understand that coming from a moderate or a conservative, (which I presume you are, though don’t recognize you.)

For me, understanding the Palin derangement syndrome is a lot easier than understanding the Mitt derangement syndrome.

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 9:09 PM

For me, understanding the Palin derangement syndrome is a lot easier than understanding the Mitt derangement syndrome.

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 9:09 PM

Same — some folks are so hateful of Romney

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:11 PM

So many hilarious, delusional comments here, starting with my prediction at 4:59 that “this will be a short thread”.

My favorites are the nutcases that call Krauthammer a “moderate” and question his integrity because “he’s a Romney supporter”. Holy shit. If he’s not conservative enough for you, go fish.

Jaibones on July 2, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Do you really think that Letterman, man of morals sees a huge difference between a 14 yo and an 18yo?

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Most adult men see a very clear difference. One can be considered available and the younger one is usually considered a child.

dedalus on July 2, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Believe what you want but even Darwin didn’t really believe in Darwinism.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:08 PM

oh yeah he did…especially the RACIST and EUGENICS part…

right4life on July 2, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Jaibones on July 2, 2009 at 9:11 PM

I know, right?

Krauthammer is not an idiot, nor an elitist. He doesn’t ridicule Palin for her rural lifestyle — he’s criticizing her politically, not personally.

He’s a good man, and one of conservatism’s most eloquent and well-reasoned voices.

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM

FloatingRock, Palin seems to simply oppose prohibition on discussion of topics that come up in class while discussing the theory of evolution. She has given no indication that she favors actually adding ID or creationism to curricula (which would be a stupid idea).

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 8:12 PM

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Attn: HA commenters, This individual is OT. I am leaving this thread. That is my way of ignoring it. You chose your own way,

Americannodash on July 2, 2009 at 8:21 PM

Hey, Americannodash, you wouldn’t happen to be THIS GUY would you?

Just curious. You both seem to be so similar… it’s eerie.

SilverStar830 on July 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM

… when a your 14 year old daughter is attacked …

… her family was attacked, twice.
Would you have her not respond? Would you not respond?

Well, no, I wouldn’t dignify it with a response, but that’s beside the point.

Nobody–and I include you, whether you own up to it or not–thought Letterman was actually intending to make the joke about a 14 year old girl. Ridiculous feigned outrage used to be something that we made fun of Democrats and the left for… now, I think the right wins the award for best “aggrieved victim act”.

Bonus points for the ridiculous hyperbolic language up there guys. “Attacked”… nice.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM

So I understand. You’re one of those kind of guys afraid of any confrontation. You’re “above” all that. You could b out with your wife, and some A-H could call her a slut, and you’d be above all that. If you have daughters, either 14, 18, 29,40, it doesn’t matter, you’re “above” defending them. Some people call that “maturity” some would call that “cowardice”

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM

Do you really think that Letterman, man of morals sees a huge difference between a 14 yo and an 18yo?

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:03 PM

Most adult men see a very clear difference. One can be considered available and the younger one is usually considered a child.

dedalus on July 2, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Eh… even if that were true does Letterman fall in that category of “most adult men?”

Further, I never said that I thought Letterman “wanted” either of Palin’s daughters… I’m just saying that there is very little if any evidence that Letterman finds such a “joke” offensive.

So we could say, “I think _____ about Letterman.” The point is, that if he really thought it was repulsive to say such a thing about a 14 year old, AND he had any reasonable moral fibre, he would have immediately apologized… Alas, it doesn’t appear he would fit in with “most adult men.”

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I know, right?

Krauthammer is not an idiot, nor an elitist. He doesn’t ridicule Palin for her rural lifestyle — he’s criticizing her politically, not personally.

He’s a good man, and one of conservatism’s most eloquent and well-reasoned voices.

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM

And you point out that his criticism was actually civil.

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Do you really think that Letterman, man of morals sees a huge difference between a 14 yo and an 18yo?

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:03 PM

To add to dedalus’ comment above…

I think Letterman, comedian (funny or no), sees a huge difference between a 14 year old girl and and 18 year old girl who is most notable for being a teen mother and advocating abstinance when he is delivering a joke about people known at least in part for their sexual behavior (Bristol, Spitzer, and A-Rod).

Anyway, my point still stands. Palin handled this horribly… yes she was on the right side, people agreed with her, etc., but the whole affair reinforced the public perception that she is a circus act. A simple “The joke was in bad taste and speaks for itself, I have no further comment” when asked would have been fine.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM

oh yeah he did…especially the RACIST and EUGENICS part…

right4life on July 2, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Well that IS true, but you have to remember he was trying for ANY theory to get rid of God. Even he knew his conclusions were BS. But they DID help Stalin, Hitler, and Sanger use it to kill people.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 9:20 PM

nd you point out that his criticism was actually civil.

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM

what cha mean

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM

, but you have to remember he was trying for ANY theory to get rid of God.

I think thats the main reason for his theory, which he plagiarized from wallace…

But they DID help Stalin, Hitler, and Sanger use it to kill people.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 9:20 PM

it has a long and bloody history, which the evolutionists like to deny…

right4life on July 2, 2009 at 9:22 PM

To add to dedalus’ comment above…

I think Letterman, comedian (funny or no), sees a huge difference between a 14 year old girl and and 18 year old girl who is most notable for being a teen mother and advocating abstinance when he is delivering a joke about people known at least in part for their sexual behavior (Bristol, Spitzer, and A-Rod).

An addition that is not along the lines of dedalus’ “most adult men” argument… If this was what his “joke” was about, don’t you think that he would have instantly made an apology to a 14 year old, non-sex symbol? Well, I guess Dave meant well, he just sucks at doing the stand up thing…

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:23 PM

what cha mean

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Krauthammer wasn’t mean about his criticism. He handled it well…

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:23 PM

Only a gutless coward would walk away and say/do nothing when a your 14 year old daughter is attacked. That’s the problems with the GOP, to damned many gutless cowards

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Sadly, with too many in the GOP, it’s not a lack of guts but a lack of outrage toward socialism. The tea party vote is the key voting block for the GOP, in my opinion. Too many people have become disillusioned with government….for GOOD REASON. A staunch conservative candidate running against Obama is the only option for the GOP. Ignore this and face eight full years of Obamanomics. Consider yourselves warned.

Palin should reach out more to the tea party crowd, in my opinion. Has she been to a tea party? That’s my question. She’s already doing quite a lot of what critics say she should be doing. Note her attorney general pick and also today’s quote at The Fix from Fred Malek. Hello? She’s on the ball in this regard. It’s the tea party crowd she should be reaching out to more. She’s way ahead of you guys on your calls for her to reach out to experts and learn foreign policy.

gocatholic on July 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM

I like her and admire her ambition and tenacity, don’t think she’s as worldly as Billary but certainly better looking.

I don’t agree with everything she thinks, some yes

I don’t think she’s Presidential material now

I don’t think she’d be a worse President than Obama, probably better.

Obamas terrible but we got him from “anythings better than Bush”. I’m not ready to say “anythings better than Obama”. I haven’t see a real alternative yet.

Reality Check on July 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM

For me, understanding the Palin derangement syndrome is a lot easier than understanding the Mitt derangement syndrome.

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 9:09 PM

That’s because Mitt Derangement Syndrome is on TV 24-7 in a parallel dimension.

Lanceman on July 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM

Krauthammer wasn’t mean about his criticism. He handled it well…

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:23 PM

indeed

i love palin, but im not going to harpoon krauty

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM

it has a long and bloody history, which the evolutionists like to deny…

right4life on July 2, 2009 at 9:22 PM

It’s STILL being used by Planned Parenthood to get donations from bigots to kill Black kids.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Same — some folks are so hateful of Romney

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:11 PM

I can understand their questioning his bona fides as a conservative, as he has changed some positions [heh, 'evolved']. I can understand the opposition, but the vitriol escapes me. For lack of a better explanation, I ascribe it to something religious…. Ugh, something anti-Mormon.

But as an agnostic who lives in heavily evangelical territory with many evangelical friends, I’m almost dead certain it’s not the evangelicals who begrudge Romney his religion. It’s coming from somewhere else. Where, I don’t yet know.

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM

For all of his criticism of The Kenyan, Krauthammer’s got a mild, sporadic case of the Obama vapors. Also, his DC insider status is showing.

tsj017 on July 2, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Exactly right. Look, Charles is the quintissential DC insider. He’s the best of that lot, by far, but he is one of them, not one of us. He will never get Sarah, just like I will never spend a dime or walk across the street to vote for another DC insider.

Charles likes good political platitudes as much as the rest of us do. He swooned for Obambi last fall. Its just that, when it comes to rhetoric, his tastes run to the arugula, Harvard side of things, while mine run to the wild game and snow machine side of things.

But that’s rhetoric. When the time for rhetoric passes, Charles and his country club friends are going to be much happier with Sarah than they presently are with the Banana Republic Socialist Leader Obomba.

Full steam ahead, Sarah. The RINOs will follow, or fail.

james23 on July 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM

I like CK, but he isn’t running for anything. He’s good at analysis. He’s a psychiatrist fhs. And although I tend to agree with his analysis, there’s a real world to deal with, and analysis doesn’t always cut it. Wasn’t he at that dinner for Obama?
I don’t know where SP will be standing at the next convention. But she will be standing and I will be cheering.
I’m just fed up with many of our “intellectuals”, We need a fighter, and the lady has shown guts.

Randy

williars on July 2, 2009 at 9:27 PM

But as an agnostic who lives in heavily evangelical territory with many evangelical friends, I’m almost dead certain it’s not the evangelicals who begrudge Romney his religion. It’s coming from somewhere else. Where, I don’t yet know.

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM

Hmmm I honestly don’t think (some) Evangelicals were ready for a Mormon. They don’t hate the man, but there is a strong suspicion…

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:28 PM

That’s because Mitt Derangement Syndrome is on TV 24-7 in a parallel dimension.

Lanceman on July 2, 2009 at 9:25 PM

No doubt that’s a large part of it. In fact, that may even account for most of it. Not sure.

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 9:28 PM

One word.

Romney.

Spiritk9 on July 2, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Mitt Romney..Now THERE’S a haircut I can set my watch to.

/The Beltway

unwashed minion on July 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM

People on our side are too….
idk what the word is

people hate Romney
people hate Palin

They all hate McCain

I love em all, and I’ll take any of them over a lefty

We’re all in this together

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM

It’s STILL being used by Planned Parenthood to get donations from bigots to kill Black kids.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM

yeah and black people still vote democRAT…go figure…

right4life on July 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM

one thing about romney

you could go 80 MPH, shove his head out the window

THAT HAIR AINT MOVIN

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Krauthammer is clearly correct. At this point she is not a serious candidate. It’s not even a question in my mind.

Could she be at some point? Maybe but she’ll have to prove it.

Dash on July 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM

I see you left out the Nut Roots… Bob Barr and Ron Paul… Give them some of your love too ;)

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM

yeah and black people still vote democRAT…go figure…

right4life on July 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Nobody said they were smart. (Politically)

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM

Anyway, my point still stands. Palin handled this horribly… yes she was on the right side, people agreed with her, etc., but the whole affair reinforced the public perception that she is a circus act. A simple “The joke was in bad taste and speaks for itself, I have no further comment” when asked would have been fine.

DaveS on July 2, 2009 at 9:19 PM

Anyway, my point still stands. Palin handled this horribly…

This is “I’m right, because I say I’m right.” Do you think that repeating yourself, without the support of logic or reason, will persuade?

yes she was on the right side, people agreed with her,

So, Letterman’s attack was bad, right? (You haven’t said that yet.)

but the whole affair reinforced the public perception that she is a circus act.

Basis? Supporting facts? Polls? Nope. Just recycled talking points. But, thanks for playing.

massrighty on July 2, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Why do so many people who want to talk about the Letterman thing ad nauseum criticize Palin for issuing one press release? Considering that it was her child, I would think she has more right to comment…..but you all go ahead and wallow in this junk. K? Just don’t accuse her of wallowing in it for issuing one press release. I may vomit.

gocatholic on July 2, 2009 at 9:31 PM

petefrt on July 2, 2009 at 9:26 PM

People on our side are too….
idk what the word is

people hate Romney
people hate Palin

They all hate McCain

I love em all, and I’ll take any of them over a lefty

We’re all in this together

blatantblue on July 2, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Just leave that baby-killing gumba from NY out of the mix.

Jeff from WI on July 2, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Kraut holds something like Absolute Conservative Moral Authority, so this will be a short thread, I think.

700+ comments, with 1000 by midnight easily. Any more predicitons, Karnak?

james23 on July 2, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Alas, it doesn’t appear he would fit in with “most adult men.”

Upstater85 on July 2, 2009 at 9:18 PM

He earns $40MM a year. He’s different, though I don’t know that he’s demonstrated a proclivity for barely pubescent girls.

I’ve watched Dave since he was on in the morning (when he was much funnier). I haven’t watched him much since he moved to CBS. I think he had an act that worked at 12:30 and he then failed at trying to work to a broader audience. Now, he seems mostly tired, or thinks that his audience is kinda dumb since his joke are always the most obvious possible.

What are the few things that the audience is likely to know about the NY Yankees and Sarah Palin? Throw it up on white board and you get a dumb A-Rod and pregnant daughter joke. Letterman says he didn’t know that the younger daughter was there. I tend to believe him based on how little effort his team seems to put into his monologues.

dedalus on July 2, 2009 at 9:33 PM

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