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Krauthammer: Palin isn’t a serious candidate for president

posted at 4:40 pm on July 2, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Oh yes, he went there. We’ve been having a running debate on Twitter this afternoon about Sarahcuda and my contention that criticism of her is verboten among righty blog readers, HA’s included. This thread will be an interesting test case. Most of the heat Kraut takes will be for his contention that “You cannot sustain a campaign of platitudes and clichés over a year and a half if you’re running for the presidency.” Didn’t Captain Hopenchange do exactly that? Well, yes and no. Granted, the most memorable line he uttered in 18 months on the trail was “Yes we can,” but he’s done countless policy interviews, debated Hillary 20 times and McCain three, and held numerous press conferences. The TOTUS jokes are fun but The One’s perfectly capable of straying off script when need be. Is Palin? She seems at ease when discussing energy or life issues but the jury’s still out on most everything else, which is why Kraut feels comfortable asserting that she hasn’t (yet) brushed up on national policy the way we all thought she would.

While we’re on the subject of uttering anti-Palin heresies, I guess Frank J. from IMAO and I are the only two who thought the ‘Cuda came off worse in the Palin/Schmidt campaign e-mail exchange about the Alaska secessionist party published this morning by CBS. Quote:

“That’s not part of their platform and [Todd] was only a ‘member’ bc independent alaskans too often check that ‘Alaska Independent’ box on voter registrations thinking it just means non partisan,” Palin wrote. “He caught his error when changing our address and checked the right box. I still want it fixed.”

Palin was attempting to bend the facts ever so slightly to fit neatly into her version of events. In truth, the box that Alaskans have the option of checking when registering to vote states the full name of the party, “Alaskan Independence Party,” not “Alaska Independent,” which would make an error by uncommitted voters more plausible.

Clearly irritated by what he saw as Palin’s attempt to mislead her own campaign and apparently determined to demonstrate that the ultimate authority rested with him, Schmidt put the matter to rest once and for all with a longer response to everyone in the e-mail chain.

“Secession,” he wrote. “It is their entire reason for existence. A cursory examination of the website shows that the party exists for the purpose of seceding from the union. That is the stated goal on the front page of the web site. Our records indicate that todd was a member for seven years. If this is incorrect then we need to understand the discrepancy. The statement you are suggesting be released would be innaccurate. The innaccuracy would bring greater media attention to this matter and be a distraction. According to your staff there have been no media inquiries into this and you received no questions about it during your interviews. If you are asked about it you should smile and say many alaskans who love their country join the party because it speeks to a tradition of political independence. Todd loves his country

We will not put out a statement and inflame this and create a situation where john has to adress this.”

The leak is one thing, but on the merits Schmidt’s strategy is the better of the two. Why inflame the story, with bad information no less? Reading this, the Cuda’s decision to fire back at Levi Johnston in press releases starts to make more sense. Like Frum says, before Palinistas start filling her coffers, they’ll at least want some evidence that she can mount a competent national campaign. Right?

I’ll leave you with two pro-Sarah pieces for balance, one from Republican bigwig Fred Malek calling her “smart, curious, hard working, charming, and effective” and attesting that he’s personally seen her hold her own in private discussions on policy with heavy hitters. The other’s from Jim Geraghty, theorizing why it is that the left despises her so. He’s certainly got part of the answer — happy, successful pro-life conservative women are a grievous offense to leftist feminism — but I think he misses the element of sheer contempt they have for her intellect. To the left, I think, she embodies a sort of comfort with ignorance that they think characterizes most/all conservatives. Why they’ve come to see her that way is complicated (part of it’s probably educational pedigree, part of it’s her affinity for rural pastimes like hunting, part of it’s the Katie Couric interview and the canned answers she gave at the debate with Biden), but I think it’s a mistake to assume that their antipathy is rooted in nothing but fear and defensiveness. That’s not true of the right vis-a-vis The One, after all. Is it?


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Do you people ever sleep?

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I got plenty of sleep last night… Dreaming about my gal Sarah (OK, big /sarc).

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Do you people ever sleep?

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM

I got plenty of sleep last night… Dreaming about my gal Sarah (OK, big /sarc).

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Although in all seriousness BlantantBlue was probably dreaming of Helen Thomas at the beach…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

BlatantBlue… ooppss… extra n.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

There’s also the old saying of “knowledge is power.”

To suggest either of these, seems to be a blantant insult, which is very hard to understand.

moonsbreath on July 3, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Remember the primaries? Same thing. People got so defensive when a legitimate criticism of their candidate was expressed.

The fact is that none of them are perfect and a thorough vetting of them is necessary to make informed decisions. Thia includes Sarah Palin.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Sorry to be unclear. Regardless of Allah’s criticism of Gov. Palin (perfectly legitimate) he comes out swinging when the children are brought into the mix.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:34 PM

People got so defensive when a legitimate criticism of their candidate was expressed.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Let us know when you’re ready to begin.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:34 PM

It’s kind of tough to quote Tina Fey when you can’t afford the electricity for your computer and TV.

HA HA HA, Jim, you make a great point!

Joe Pyne on July 3, 2009 at 12:36 PM

I respect Sarah and I defend her all the time. Her heart is in the right place, but she DOES frequently speak in “platitudes and clichés”.

Krauthammer is an experienced, thoughtful and committed conservative. Cries of RINO! and Elitist! don´t cut it this time.

el gordo on July 3, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Although in all seriousness BlantantBlue was probably dreaming of Helen Thomas at the beach…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Helen had BB overcome with lust at first sight. He may not be back for days due to exhaustion. Every time I pop in to check on him, he’s just laying there with a goofy grin on his face, occasionally mumbling, “Helen… Helen…”

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Maybe he didn’t hear about it. I don’t seem to remember that one. Did Letterman say it?

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Opie and Anthony.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Later this summer his ship will spread my dads ashes at sea. (He served 22 years retiring as a SMC) I will be sad to miss the burial, but they will do the whole military honors, salute, flag, video, and pics.csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM

That sounds like such an honor and how wonderful that your son will be there as your proxy. Sorry for your loss and congratulations on raising wonderful children.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

In case anyone wanted to hear what is on MegMac’s mind (muhahaha)…

pretty much why hardcore conservatives hate me so much, keep calling me RINO bitches

And the real winner (hahahaha)

People keep asking me my fav place to find dresses for my curvy body, “Stop Staring” is my FAVORITE! Amazing retro styles and great prices!

Uh huh, this my sh*t
All the girls stomp your feet like this

A few times I’ve been around that track
So it’s not just gonna happen like that
‘Cause I ain’t no hollaback girl
I ain’t no hollaback girl

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

In case anyone wanted to hear what is on MegMac’s mind (muhahaha)…

pretty much why hardcore conservatives hate me so much, keep calling me RINO b*tches

And the real winner (hahahaha)

People keep asking me my fav place to find dresses for my curvy body, “Stop Staring” is my FAVORITE! Amazing retro styles and great prices!

Uh huh, this my sh*t
All the girls stomp your feet like this

A few times I’ve been around that track
So it’s not just gonna happen like that
‘Cause I ain’t no hollaback girl
I ain’t no hollaback girl

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Helen had BB overcome with lust at first sight. He may not be back for days due to exhaustion. Every time I pop in to check on him, he’s just laying there with a goofy grin on his face, occasionally mumbling, “Helen… Helen…”

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Hehe

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Besides which, is Bush really the role model for the next Republican candidate? If we’re talking about personal popularity, that is.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

In many areas yes. Now when it comes to spending and immigration, I’d like to kick him in the butt and say “WAKE THE F**K UP!!!! You’re supposed to be a conservative!”

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Opie and Anthony.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Oh, that. Yeah, that was on satellite radio, and nobody who didn’t subscribe would’ve even known about it if Breitbart hadn’t taken a clip and put it on his site. Seems a bit different than saying something like that on broadcast television, but I’m sure you’ve got a reason why it’s exactly the same thing.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM

You’re supposed to be a conservative!”

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:39 PM

No, GWB was supposed to be a compassionate conservative.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I fly to Hawaii in a month to meet his ship off this deployment. I am sooooo proud. Later this summer his ship will spread my dads ashes at sea. (He served 22 years retiring as a SMC) I will be sad to miss the burial, but they will do the whole military honors, salute, flag, video, and pics.

I love this country and honor the real heroes. Those that have fought, died, and survived to give us the tools to defeat the liberals that try to take advantage of those freedoms to destroy this country.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM

That sounds like such an honor and how wonderful that your son will be there as your proxy. Sorry for your loss and congratulations on raising wonderful children.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

I second your comment to csdeven.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Besides which, Laura Bush is a public figure and Willow Palin isn’t. But other than that.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Although in all seriousness BlantantBlue was probably dreaming of Helen Thomas at the beach…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Hey, let’s not get mad at blatantblue.
He showed me how to do these quote thingys and stuff.

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Besides which, Laura Bush is a public figure and Willow Palin isn’t. But other than that.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Jim, jim, jim, it was a joke. Get it. Lighten up. Joke man. pfftt… Plus like EVERYONE knows it wasn’t about the 14 yo. That’s so absurd! It’s a joke, jim! Duh!!!

Need I add the tag?

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I find that an admirable trait and I am worry you don’t see it that way.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Sarah doesn’t have to defend her kids to me. I know that she is a great parent. I feel that less engagement with turds is the better course of action as it exudes statesmanship.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Hey, let’s not get mad at blatantblue.
He showed me how to do these quote thingys and stuff.

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I’m not upset with him. Heck, I’ll give him a high five for uh… managing to stand at attention with Helenoraus.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Maybe it is too soon in her career to have

a campaign of platitudes and clichés”

but if anyone thinks that the same speech isn’t said over and over again by all candidates they are dreaming. She needs to at least up the level of her impromptu answers to surpass the current leader of the free world. Trust me, it can’t be that hard, even with the media against her.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Remember the primaries? Same thing. People got so defensive when a legitimate criticism of their candidate was expressed.

The fact is that none of them are perfect and a thorough vetting of them is necessary to make informed decisions. Thia includes Sarah Palin.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM

This also includes Mitt Romney. But it doesn’t include Romney’s underage grandchildren or any defense he makes of them if they are made the brunt of vile jokes. Nor does it include the Governor’s underage children and her defense of them.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I’m not upset with him. Heck, I’ll give him a high five for uh… managing to stand at attention with Helenoraus.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Ugh!
I like older women sometimes but what is she? 108?

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

That’s an image I really did not need. Yikes.

kingsjester on July 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

It’s not that I don’t understand your point, I just don’t think either reaction is a game changer.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

That’s an image I really did not need. Yikes.

kingsjester on July 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Yes, we best be careful. BB did break the internet the other day with his love letter…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Ugh!
I like older women sometimes but what is she? 108?

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM

That’s how old her hip replacement is…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM

I feel that less engagement with turds is the better course of action as it exudes statesmanship.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Does that include going for an ice cream right after a young woman was murdered in the streets of Tehran just because she disagreed with her government?

Personally, I want a leader who stands up to and fights bullies and tyrants, especially when they are abusing women and children.

[I apologize for being such a male chauvinist pig.]

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

During the campaign all of Sarah’s speeches had to be pre-approved by McCain or Schmidt. It was their feeling that it would be a better strategy for Sarah to give the same speech and break her in slowly (which I agree with).

But once Sarah got her legs in October after the debate and after she was accused of going rogue you saw a variety of speeches. One of the most overlooked aspects of the campaign, especially when it comprised 50% of the entire campaign was how articulate and eloquent Sarah was after the terrific debate she had Biden in her campaign appearances and how she took the fight to Obama.

Unfortunately McCain never raised his game as well. Instead all he could do is to talk about earmarks and say that America had no reason to be frightened of an Obama Presidency.

technopeasant on July 3, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Let us know when you’re ready to begin.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:34 PM

“Dishonesty will stare honesty out of countenance any day in the week, if there is anything to be got by it.

Dickens”

Are you picking and eating too many fleas again?

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM

No soap, radio!

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Are you picking and eating too many fleas again?

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM

OK, Jim, he may have gotten you on this one… Maybe it’s time to get rid of the ape ;)

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM

She needs to at least up the level of her impromptu answers to

surpass the current leader of the free world. Trust me, it can’t be that hard, even with the media against her.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Governor Palin really needs to add more:

Let met me be clear…
There are those who say…
As I’ve always said…
Make no mistake…
I inherited…

And the incredibly moving:

uh… uh… uh… um… ah… ah… ah…

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Let met me be clear…
There are those who say…
As I’ve always said…
Make no mistake…
I inherited…

And the incredibly moving:

uh… uh… uh… um… ah… ah… ah…

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Nailed it.

You for got the “I am deeply concerned…”

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:55 PM

And I forgot to not space…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:55 PM

what is she? 108?

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Blatantblue asks: Fahrenheit or Celsius?

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Thank you.

He’s been gone 4 years. We are just now getting his ashes as he donated his body to the our University. They were so grateful because they usually have to purchase bodies from out of state. Dad was born and died here so it’s fitting that his final act was to his community.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM

All the MSM ran it, so yeah, Bush knew.

And I’m not surprised that when faced with the example you asked for you would find a way to poo-poo it.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Maybe it’s time to get rid of the ape ;)

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM

Oh, is that what that’s about? Good stuff.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM

technopeasant on July 3, 2009 at 12:51 PM

Very true. I would pay Gov. Palin money to stop saying “progressing the country forward” but I realize that is petty and a personal problem of mine, not necessarily hers.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:54 PM

That would appear to discount the “platitudes and clichés” argument doesn’t it? But what do I know.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM

And I’m not surprised that when faced with the example you asked for you would find a way to poo-poo it.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM

By pointing out the differences? Sorry to bring facts into it yet again. I know how they wreck your whole argument.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Oh, is that what that’s about? Good stuff.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Yeah, remember that, Monkey Boy ;)

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM

I think it’s a mistake to assume that their antipathy is rooted in nothing but fear and defensiveness.

If they are not afraid they would not be trying so hard, in both parties, to derail her

She would simply become a Ron Paul and bounce around in the mists

Simple hate is not enough. They must both hate and fear her to spend so much energy taking her down

They can only fear her if they think she has a chance to obtain power. The reaction is palpable, not laughable and that is the source of the obious fear sweat dripping off so many

entagor on July 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Very true. I would pay Gov. Palin money to stop saying “progressing the country forward” but I realize that is petty and a personal problem of mine, not necessarily hers.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM

No it’s not petty. When a politician thinks they can “solve” things, I get scared.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:00 PM

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Honor and duty begets honor and duty, your family obviously has a proud tradition of both. Happy Independence Day?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I’m Barack Hussein Obamma, uuuhhhh, Your Lord thy God.. aaaaaannnd all…. will kneel..uuhh trembling..uh before me..
Yeah. This buttweasel is soooooo much better at speaking than George W. Bush.
All Sarah needs to do is make Americans feel proud to be Americans again after the inevitable fugue we’ll be in after three more years of this joker at the wheel.

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM

But it doesn’t include Romney’s underage grandchildren or any defense he makes of them if they are made the brunt of vile jokes. Nor does it include the Governor’s underage children and her defense of them.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I never said it did. I can see how that got blurred through the multiple discussions.

When we get a Mitt thread and his policies, I’ll be there with my Sunday best on.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM

I’m Barack Hussein Obamma, uuuhhhh, Your Lord thy God.. aaaaaannnd all…. will kneel..uuhh trembling..uh before me..
Yeah. This buttweasel is soooooo much better at speaking than George W. Bush.
All Sarah needs to do is make Americans feel proud to be Americans again after the inevitable fugue we’ll be in after three more years of this joker at the wheel.

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Pantywaste wishes he could get us to fear him… We know better. We know who bowed to Camel King.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM

When we get a Mitt thread and his policies, I’ll be there with my Sunday best on.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM

And to that I give the re-post

I agree completely. Some issues with Mitt, but that is a subject for a different thread.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Uh… well, if we are going to stay on topic, we better all get back to Krauthammer…

Come on, you can elaborate. By comment 1700+, I don’t think Allah really cares too much about minor deviations.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I just don’t think either reaction is a game changer.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I agree that time will tell. I can see lots of criticisms of her for engaging him and very little for blowing him off.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Pantywaste wishes he could get us to fear him… We know better. We know who bowed to Camel King.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Worked with Brian Williams.
Or did he change his name to Bison Dele too?

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Worked with Brian Williams.
Or did he change his name to Bison Dele too?

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Heh…

Well, most people are a little more level headed than the Pantywaste Tampons.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Jim, jim, jim, it was a joke. Get it. Lighten up. Joke man. pfftt… Plus like EVERYONE knows it wasn’t about the 14 yo. That’s so absurd! It’s a joke, jim! Duh!!!

As a Palin supporter, I have to say that I am neither here nor there on the Letterman thing, for the most part. The problem is that what passes for entertainment in this country has gone off the deep end and Letterman’s joke is just one of countless examples of this. I am so utterly offended by Letterman’s jokes anyway, that I never watched his show. I am not entertained by crudeness in the first place, no matter who it is directed toward. On the other hand, I don’t begrudge Palin for defending her family. It was personal for her. It’s her right. You won’t find me at a “fire David Letterman” rally, but you also won’t find me being critical of Palin for what she said to Letterman. I take the same position on this that she did. It’s his right to have free speech and it’s our right to say we disagree with what he said. That’s basically what she said about all of this and I agree with that. Both Letterman and Palin have free speech. All of the hoo-ha over all of this, from both sides, is way overblown. He had the right to say it and she had the right to disagree with it. Everyone getting all excited about it, on either side, is what irritates me the most.

gocatholic on July 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM

I realize you want to be part of HA, but you really ought to get to know the people you are talkng to before you start insulting them. In another thread, you and I would probably be in total agreement.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM

I don’t care about being “part of HA”. I’m registered and can comment, and that’s enough.

Otherwise, you should learn to follow your own advice.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Lets back up for a sec.

If Sarah would have ignored him, it would have been to be presidential looking while still maintaining her family values.

Ochimpy refused to stand up for what is right because he has no moral guideposts. The man is despicable.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM

No soap, radio!

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM

You’re evolving. Good for you!

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM

One of us has to.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Hehe… AP is trying to bury this one… I guess he’s just happy it got over the 1500 mark and now he’s ready to move on.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Actually NOBODY is a serious candidate against Obama until his popularity polling dips a bit lower. Right now he could beat a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln. But upcoming double digit unemployment and inflation coupled with higher taxes and a collapsing foreign policy (including a possible domestic terrorist attack) will take care of that. Then ANYBODY-including a drunken bum dragged off a bar stool-would be a viable candidate.

MaiDee on July 3, 2009 at 1:12 PM

If Sarah would have ignored him, it would have been to be presidential looking while still maintaining her family values.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Yes, that is indeed what you keep asserting in the face of all reason. There is no other politician, no other human being on earth who would sit still while David Letterman said something like that about their kids. Or maybe you would, I don’t know.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I haven’t looked, is it another case of cherry picking or does he show any substantive arguments against his piece?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM

No, it was your asinine setting yourself up as judge of acceptable parenting and family life. Maybe you should refrain from that sort of judgement, then?

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Wouldn’t it be nice if our culture valued good parenting instead of dysfunctional celebrities?
csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 8:56 AM

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Nowhere in that statement of mine do I lay out what is and is not good parenting.

You’re projecting.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 11:45 AM

If it’s such a fuzzy topic, why the hell make the comment in the first place?

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I haven’t looked, is it another case of cherry picking or does he show any substantive arguments against his piece?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM

No, this post is going lower and lower down the chain on the homepage even though it’s still the most active… I think all of the cherry picking has been done for one week ;)

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:15 PM

By pointing out the differences? Sorry to bring facts into it yet again. I know how they wreck your whole argument.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Facts that support your straw man argument. The amount of people who heard the comment matters? So I guess when no one is around when a tree falls in the forest that it makes no noise? C’mon monkey boy! You live in the forest and you should know better.

Bush was silent on the matter and it went away. Lowering himself to their level is not presidential.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Yes, that is indeed what you keep asserting in the face of all reason. There is no other politician, no other human being on earth who would sit still while David Letterman said something like that about their kids. Or maybe you would, I don’t know.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Well, here’s the main difference. There is NO OTHER POLITICIAN who would take flack for criticizing Letterman, however mildly. None. It’s the double standard; or, more accurately, the Palin Standard.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Happy Independence Day?

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Same to you. I’m headed to my daughters. How about you?

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Applause! probably the best comment in this thread. Batten down the hatches though –

Bradky on July 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Really, Bradky? You read 1856 comments and filtered out this mess? Granted, it had more substance than my “this should be a short thread” classic, but most of it was stupid and non-factual, which seemed to be the criticism that sendme was trying to level against Palin.

As for “believ[ing] in climate change” – duh; I believe in “climate change”, too, don’t you? – and a “smaller, smarter Freddie and Fannie” – that’s exactly what we should have, or do you wish to debate the astonishing success of securitized mortgages, prior to their perversion by congress?

Pretty lazy comment, B. Put the bottle down and think.

Jaibones on July 3, 2009 at 1:20 PM

C’mon monkey boy! You live in the forest and you should know better.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM

And you preach to me about not being insulting?

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM

But she’s not president. She is the governor of Alaska who had been invited to come to New York to speak out for handicapped children. In the course of that visit she was invited by a luminary of the state of New York to take in some of the local amusements. For this she was personally attacked (slutty airline stewardess) and did not respond but then her fourteen year old daughter was attacked and she reacted. I have to assume if she will stand up for her children, she will stand up for the citizens of the United States. Decidedly unlike the current occupant of the White House, who equate the United States with every problem in the world.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM

He’s not, it’s a joke.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:22 PM

He’s not, it’s a joke.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:22 PM

mmmm

Don’t think so.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:22 PM

He’s not, it’s a joke.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:22 PM

mmmm

Don’t think so.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Cindy, you evil Devil! I thought you were too innocent. You turned the sarc up full strength!!!

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:23 PM

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Most of my family is over 600 miles away so HotAir will be where I celebrate. How sad is that? I may go the Tea Party scheduled in St. Augustine on Sunday but I have to push myself to be part of a crowd.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM

http://tammybruce.com/

Check out the painting…Excellent!

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM

And you preach to me about not being insulting?

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Yeah, no kiddin’,dd.
Who died and made him Leslie Stahl?

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:23 PM

People are teasing Mr. Treacher about a monkey who appears on his blog site, not his person. Although I didn’t get it either at first.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM

But she’s not president. She is the governor of Alaska who had been invited to come to New York to speak out for handicapped children. In the course of that visit she was invited by a luminary of the state of New York to take in some of the local amusements. For this she was personally attacked (slutty airline stewardess) and did not respond but then her fourteen year old daughter was attacked and she reacted. I have to assume if she will stand up for her children, she will stand up for the citizens of the United States. Decidedly unlike the current occupant of the White House, who equate the United States with every problem in the world.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Agreed!

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM

***
To me Sarah Palin was the only real conservative in the election. Good track record as Governor of Alaska, good on energy–with a gas pipeline track record, good on defense, good on anti-abortion (Not Choice). Prepared a good budget for Alaska–returned added state income to the people! Good personal behavior in line with her statements and beliefs. A tough determined lady.
***
I hope to vote for her in 2012. SARAH’CUDA FOR POTUS–JOHN BOLTON FOR VP. He adds the foreign policy experience she lacks.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on July 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM

http://tammybruce.com/

Check out the painting…Excellent!

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Wow, if that picture doesn’t show how the GOP has changed…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Great point Lanceman. I pray that by 2012 the truth about Ochimpy will be revealed and he will be exposed as the despicable, honorless, Godless Marxist that he is. Our candidate, regardless of who it is, needs to live conservative social values and then speak to less government and fiscal responsibility. Those would include Sarah and Mitt. (I cannot speak to any others at this time)

Additionally, they need to come off as presidential material. Sarah has a long way to go in that area.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM

People are teasing Mr. Treacher about a monkey who appears on his blog site, not his person. Although I didn’t get it either at first.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Well, if it’s teasing, I wouldn’t call it good humored.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Check out the painting…Excellent!

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I’ve had that picture as my wallpaper for several months now.
I’m glad the artiste included Tricky Dick – the left hates him sooo much.

Lanceman on July 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Yes, that is indeed what you keep asserting in the face of all reason. There is no other politician, no other human being on earth who would sit still while David Letterman said something like that about their kids.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Our sick and sickening culture* needs to be assaulted and beaten badly in the street by someone of Absolute Moral Authority, say Mark Sanford or someone solid like that.

We cannot have public policy discussions even slightly influenced by a douchenozzle like David Letterman, or these fairies at the Daily Show.

(*see – “Michael Jackson”)

Jaibones on July 3, 2009 at 1:29 PM

OK, I’m stepping out. Gotta get some lunch and drag BB screaming and kicking away from Helen…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Jaibones on July 3, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Now that’s funny, pick a new stereotype. It’s old hat.

joshlbetts on July 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Well, if it’s teasing, I wouldn’t call it good humored.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Mr. Treacher’s reaction…..

Oh, is that what that’s about? Good stuff.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I think we will both agree if there is anyone who can defend himself, it would be Mr. Treacher.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM

And you preach to me about not being insulting?

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM

This is gentle banter. I know nothing of you and you certainly don’t know me. If you want to continue to find ways for us to be divisive perhaps we should refrain from discussion?

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:38 PM

She aint terribly bright see. Cheney’s kid, now she’s bright. Just saying, sounding authentically smart is a very reassuring trait for a politician. Sounding dumb, not such a reassuring trait. Sarah is pushing up against the chalkboard ceiling.

pc on July 3, 2009 at 1:39 PM

One of us has to.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 1:11 PM

Be careful now. You’re starting to de-evolve.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Granted the big rap against Reagan was he wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but still, he had a lot more history with the national scene before he broke through. But the similarities with Palin are definitely there. Clumsy outsider trying to shoulder their way in by going over the top of the elected officials and trying to connect to the average Joe.

pc on July 3, 2009 at 1:41 PM

Lets back up for a sec.

If Sarah would have ignored him, it would have been to be presidential looking while still maintaining her family values.

Ochimpy refused to stand up for what is right because he has no moral guideposts. The man is despicable.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I paraphrase your points:

Palin has family values, and it was a mistake when she spoke out against Letterman for his attack one of her innocent children.

Obama has no moral values, so he did not do the right thing and speak out against tyrants who attack their innocent children.

So, Obama is not wrong for speaking out in support of human values, while Palin is wrong for speaking out in support of human values.

This is why you are being accused of using a double standard, or being illogical, or just trashing Palin because you support another candidate, or maybe you are sexist, or maybe you are just being stubborn and cannot see or admit what you are doing.

I don’t want to slam you or ridicule you. I want to help you. So, I hope you would reflect upon your motives, the impact your comments are having on others, and especially our criticisms of you. You are not improving others’ views of your critical thinking, nor are you helping any cause you may want to support by posting such statements.

Now, I also hope you have a good Fourth of July with your family. Your sins are in my prayers, and I wish the best to you. And id you want to kick me for my criticism of you, go right ahead.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Facts that support your straw man argument. The amount of people who heard the comment matters?

Of course it matters. How could it not matter?

So I guess when no one is around when a tree falls in the forest that it makes no noise? C’mon monkey boy! You live in the forest and you should know better.

Yes, how crazy to think that telling such a joke on the stage of the Ed Sullivan Theater is different than telling it around the water cooler in the writers’ room.

Bush was silent on the matter and it went away. Lowering himself to their level is not presidential.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Yes, we understand that this is your assertion.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM

You’re starting to de-evolve.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:41 PM

You’re more influential than you realize.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM

There is no other politician, no other human being on earth who would sit still while David Letterman said something like that about their kids.

Jim Treacher on July 3, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Typical. Once the monkey’s learn to use soap, they think they can speak for the world.

I don’t know.

BINGO! Give the monkey boy a Kewpie doll!

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM

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