Krauthammer: Palin isn’t a serious candidate for president

posted at 4:40 pm on July 2, 2009 by Allahpundit

Oh yes, he went there. We’ve been having a running debate on Twitter this afternoon about Sarahcuda and my contention that criticism of her is verboten among righty blog readers, HA’s included. This thread will be an interesting test case. Most of the heat Kraut takes will be for his contention that “You cannot sustain a campaign of platitudes and clichés over a year and a half if you’re running for the presidency.” Didn’t Captain Hopenchange do exactly that? Well, yes and no. Granted, the most memorable line he uttered in 18 months on the trail was “Yes we can,” but he’s done countless policy interviews, debated Hillary 20 times and McCain three, and held numerous press conferences. The TOTUS jokes are fun but The One’s perfectly capable of straying off script when need be. Is Palin? She seems at ease when discussing energy or life issues but the jury’s still out on most everything else, which is why Kraut feels comfortable asserting that she hasn’t (yet) brushed up on national policy the way we all thought she would.

While we’re on the subject of uttering anti-Palin heresies, I guess Frank J. from IMAO and I are the only two who thought the ‘Cuda came off worse in the Palin/Schmidt campaign e-mail exchange about the Alaska secessionist party published this morning by CBS. Quote:

“That’s not part of their platform and [Todd] was only a ‘member’ bc independent alaskans too often check that ‘Alaska Independent’ box on voter registrations thinking it just means non partisan,” Palin wrote. “He caught his error when changing our address and checked the right box. I still want it fixed.”

Palin was attempting to bend the facts ever so slightly to fit neatly into her version of events. In truth, the box that Alaskans have the option of checking when registering to vote states the full name of the party, “Alaskan Independence Party,” not “Alaska Independent,” which would make an error by uncommitted voters more plausible.

Clearly irritated by what he saw as Palin’s attempt to mislead her own campaign and apparently determined to demonstrate that the ultimate authority rested with him, Schmidt put the matter to rest once and for all with a longer response to everyone in the e-mail chain.

“Secession,” he wrote. “It is their entire reason for existence. A cursory examination of the website shows that the party exists for the purpose of seceding from the union. That is the stated goal on the front page of the web site. Our records indicate that todd was a member for seven years. If this is incorrect then we need to understand the discrepancy. The statement you are suggesting be released would be innaccurate. The innaccuracy would bring greater media attention to this matter and be a distraction. According to your staff there have been no media inquiries into this and you received no questions about it during your interviews. If you are asked about it you should smile and say many alaskans who love their country join the party because it speeks to a tradition of political independence. Todd loves his country

We will not put out a statement and inflame this and create a situation where john has to adress this.”

The leak is one thing, but on the merits Schmidt’s strategy is the better of the two. Why inflame the story, with bad information no less? Reading this, the Cuda’s decision to fire back at Levi Johnston in press releases starts to make more sense. Like Frum says, before Palinistas start filling her coffers, they’ll at least want some evidence that she can mount a competent national campaign. Right?

I’ll leave you with two pro-Sarah pieces for balance, one from Republican bigwig Fred Malek calling her “smart, curious, hard working, charming, and effective” and attesting that he’s personally seen her hold her own in private discussions on policy with heavy hitters. The other’s from Jim Geraghty, theorizing why it is that the left despises her so. He’s certainly got part of the answer — happy, successful pro-life conservative women are a grievous offense to leftist feminism — but I think he misses the element of sheer contempt they have for her intellect. To the left, I think, she embodies a sort of comfort with ignorance that they think characterizes most/all conservatives. Why they’ve come to see her that way is complicated (part of it’s probably educational pedigree, part of it’s her affinity for rural pastimes like hunting, part of it’s the Katie Couric interview and the canned answers she gave at the debate with Biden), but I think it’s a mistake to assume that their antipathy is rooted in nothing but fear and defensiveness. That’s not true of the right vis-a-vis The One, after all. Is it?

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Saltysam on July 3, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Thank’s that’s a thought to ponder.

heshtesh on July 3, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Right now, the game is to watch as the media organs who took the point in attacking Palin lose viewers. This is the long, hard part. It is so easy to long for an effective attack on 0bama and the horse he rode in on, personally signed by Sarah Palin. But that is the last thing the GOP needs right now. It would be a bailout for Katie Couric, Jon Stewart, and that whole scummy crew.

Sekhmet on July 3, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Good point Jeff. The problem is that people like Krathammer care far more about what the Peggy Noonans and Jeff Greenfields think of him than what you and I do.

bw222 on July 3, 2009 at 8:25 AM

Exactly, couldn’t of said it better myself.

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Another Palin bashing thread another donation to SarahPac!
Don’t let the GOP or inside the beltway good old boy network pick our candidate again!

What has the GOP done for you lately? How did Krauthammer feel about McVain? Mr. Fight, Fight, Fight until the rubber hit the road then it was hang on to Sarahs’ skirt tight as I can else she might drag my sorry ass across the line. McVain struggled to draw 5000 Sarah drew 20,000 no sweat!

Sarah is in a daily battle, a daily fight against liberal lefty lawyers, elitist snobs, and inside the beltway good old boys all the while running a state, raising a family and setting herself up for 2012.

Sarah is exactly what we need and a thousand more patriots, Real Americans.
I wish she would say EF the GOP now and run as an independent reformer for term limits for congress, senate and especially judiciary, for abolishment of the cushy Government pensions, for abolishing their private healthcare plans.

Put the Politicians on the same plans as the U.S. military, they certainly don’t desreve more and are worthy of much less.

Sarah Rocks!

Come on GOP send me a donation request like McDumba.. did. I want to send it directly to Sarahpac.

Arizona boot that pandering old tool and do us all a favor!

dhunter on July 3, 2009 at 8:51 AM

I’m not saying she’s Reagan, but I don’t see anyone other than Palin who can put the coalition back together.

bw222 on July 3, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Without a doubt, she does have the regular Joe appeal. It’s her political savvy that is doing her in. Reagan was a political bulldog that knew how to communicate his deepest feelings for this country. People were compelled to follow him because they saw the truth in his words and deeds.

Kruathammers point is that Sarah comes off as a robot on many issues even though we know she is expressing her true feelings. She doesn’t have to convince us, she has to convince those who distrust her.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 8:53 AM

It would not surprise me a bit that this recent surge in Sarah’s popularity (her Facebook and Twitter)and her uptick in the polls was not due to pre-planned events such as the pro-life speech in Evansville on April 17th, her speech introducing Michael Reagan in Anchorage in defiance of Obama, her welcome by 20,000 people in Auburn NY for the Seward celebrations, her appearance to help fundraise for developmentally disabled groups, her announcement of the Exxon-TCP merger to build the pipeline or her excellent performances in her interviews with Lauer and Blitzer but because of two ‘bolt from the blue events’: the Letterman joke and eventual apology and the Sanford lapse in judgment.

You know Romney’s strategy from the outset was to build up Sanford so he could eventually bleed off support from Palin. Now it appears it is working in reverse. Thus the panic from Romney’s higher echelon. One poster said: “It’s like God is parting the Red Sea for Sarah.”

And finally Letterman is just another example of when you’re good you also get very lucky.

technopeasant on July 3, 2009 at 8:54 AM

I don’t think the media has yet figured out there’s a fallout coming, and to be paid, for the “Letterman jokes”, and then the continual Palin bashing. I truly believe that there are hard core, perhaps older Democrats that are embarrassed to be on the side that keeps bashing a woman and her family in ever more disgusting ways. The latest I’ve heard about is a left site is photoshopping pictures of Trig Palin in disgusting ways. For God’s sake, a special needs baby. THere is NO moral bottom to a lefty.

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Saltysam on July 3, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Wouldn’t it be nice if our culture valued good parenting instead of dysfunctional celebrities?

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 8:56 AM

She doesn’t have to convince us, she has to convince those who distrust her.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Exactly.

ladyingray on July 3, 2009 at 8:57 AM

“Im not saying she’s Reagan, but I don’t see anyone other than Palin who can put the coalition back together.

bw222 on July 3, 2009 at 8:42 AM”

You’re right of course. But I do think she’s the closest thing to Reagan since he left office. She has courage to speak out. The rest, are afraid to state their real opinions.

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Oh yes, nominating the next in line (i.e. loser) worked so well this last time. Maybe we shouldn’t even bother with a primary!

Simona on July 3, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Whoever slams Governor Palin is AP’s most favorite person. Just another opportunity for beltway talking heads to talk at each other while showing us how wonderful they are. Wonder who they’ll be telling us is our great Republican hope in 2012. Hey, how about McCain again? That worked so well the last time.

SKYFOX on July 3, 2009 at 8:59 AM

“Grown-up” is code for something . . . any suggestions?

Simona on July 3, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Charles K. is great for analyzing policy, etc. He is not, however, a good political prognosticator. He is dead wrong on this one. He also claims that Mitt Romney is the front runner, despite his 16 point disadvantage among Republican voters. Maybe Mittens is the front runner for the beltway pundits. However, it’s actual voters who, well, vote. Republican voters didn’t vote for Mittens in the 2008 primaries without Sarah Palin and they certainly won’t like him with Palin running. Mr. Krauthammer bases his entire prediction on the tendency of Republicans to nominate the “next in line”. By that standard, shouldn’t the Huckster be next in line?

Regardless, in the past when the Republicans did this, there was no Sarah Palin in existence but rather a group of rich old uncharismatic white guys, like Romney. Think George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, and John McCain, for example. This simple concept seems impossible for people like Charles K. to grasp. Pssssst, Charles, Mitt Romney will NEVER be president, unless he somehow gets there ala Gerald Ford. I’ll rephrase, Mitt Romney will never be elected president. If Governor Palin wants the nomination in 2012, she’ll beat Romney handily.

DB

DB9 on July 3, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Before Palin, the conservative base were primarily foot soldiers doing the will of more moderate columnists and the GOP leadership establishment. We had no recognizable leader, no person to unite behind. As much as I respect Duncan Hunter, he wasn’t it.

Sarah Palin represents just as great a threat to the GOP establishment and opinion makers as she does to the liberals. The fact that one small woman scare so many people sh!tless speaks volumes.

bw222 on July 3, 2009 at 9:01 AM

I agree with you, Allahpundit, saying anything even remotely perceived as negative about Gov. Palin is regarded as heresy. I also think that Mr. Krauthammer’s assessment was the correct one.

I’m very sorry to offend all those FOS (fans of Sarah) but, nothing Gov. Palin did during (or since) the campaign has convinced me that she is presidential.

I usually vote “R” for president, but in 2008, I went third party. McCain was simply too unpalatable, and Gov. Palin did not (and does not) inspire me.

MaggieCarta on July 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Exactly.

ladyingray on July 3

They distrust her because they can’t think for themselves. They suck on the media teat and buy their bag of crap. People like them will sing the praises of some RINO then vote for Obama again.

SKYFOX on July 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM

I usually vote “R” for president, but in 2008, I went third party. McCain was simply too unpalatable, and Gov. Palin did not (and does not) inspire me.

MaggieCarta on July 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM

The you got , what you wanted.

the_nile on July 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM

):

“Liberty and Tyranny” – Mark R. Levin (in the middle of now)
“Sarah Takes On Big Oil” – Cashman & Nelson
“The Vision of the Anointed” – Thomas Sowell
“The Screwtape Letters” – C. S. Lewis (rereading this one)
“Mere Christianity” – C.S. Lewis
“Atlas Shrugged” – Ayn Rand

I love booklist threads.

Sapwolf on July 3, 2009 at 7:04 AM

haha thanks! I think? :o)

I like your selections! My husband and I read the Screwtape Letters on our honeymoon. I will always love that book. I need to add Atlas to my list. I have read the Fountainhead. DH is reading Sowell right now, too! haha That’s so funny. Great picks. You should read Pearcey. Stellar book. Worth reading and rereading a million times.

Mommypundit on July 3, 2009 at 9:07 AM

“Im not saying she’s Reagan, but I don’t see anyone other than Palin who can put the coalition back together.

bw222 on July 3, 2009 at 8:42 AM”

What coalition?
The GOP is dead!
A dead fish stinking more each year.
Taken over at the top by Progressive Elitist snobs and inside the beltway good old boys!

She could put this country back together and build a Patriotic America with Consevative Ideas if she simply abandonded the Rotting corpse of the GOP and ran as a Reformer and outside the Beltway Patriot marching to D.C to clean up the rot, put the Politically unaccountable kings queens and quacks, liars, panderers, and theives back on the ground with the common folk.

Demand the elected Representatives SERVE the people not run over, coerce, bribe, brow beat and fool them.

Term Limits,Take away their perks, reform the insane tax system to a flat or sales tax and get the country rolling!
Palin /Patreaus or Palin/Beck or Palin/Plumber
Romney: Treas. Sec
Thompson: Attorney General
McCain: Court Jester or as Ed likes to say A..hat clown

dhunter on July 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Wouldn’t it be nice if our culture valued good parenting instead of dysfunctional celebrities?

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Well, such as the nature of the proletariat, forever susceptible to monarchy.

I suspect, as in most cases in history, there is a looming backlash.

Saltysam on July 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Maybe if Sarah added about 100 pounds, dyed her hair blonde and started writing for a liberal blog Allah would like her better.

bw222 on July 3, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Oooooh, I like what I’m seeing: Trouble in Paradise.

Hillary Resigns over Iran. Runs for her Senate seat again. Wins it. Uses it as a platform to “recapture” the Party for the “Truman Wing” of the Party and bleeds Teh Won. Maybe even stages a successful insurgency if the economy keeps tanking.

Meanwhile, Palin gets stronger.

Could it be? Could we really see it? A Hillary/Sarah Cage Match?

The Mind Reels!

Ankles v. Cankles!

victor82 on July 3, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Krauthammer proves just how wrong he is with his statement, “You cannot sustain a campaign of platitudes and clichés over a year and a half if you’re running for the presidency.” Hope and Change is the platitude that most voters voted for.
The economy tanking due to the high costs of gasoline/diesel which resulted in large part from democrats successfully curbing oil exploration in the U.S., and the toxic assetts created by the Clinton administration with the willing assistance of democrat congress critters, also worked for Dabama.
The fact remains that McCain killed his campaign by spending more time agreeing with The One than telling America how he would make a better President, and his efforts at muzzling Sarah killed off the only excitement produced by the McCain camp. I know this as a fact from the time I spent working at my local GOP headquarters.
Governor Sarah Palin excites the voters, and draws the only solid support from true conservatives. Her supposed flaws can be overcome in time for the next election cycle. She owes nothing to the special interest groups, to the GOP, and doesn’t belong to the rancid GOP elite.
That is what scares the GOP moderate insiders, Romney, McCain and his ilk, and that is why we need her to run.
Governor Sarah Palin is the only true conservative that has any chance of defeating the socialist machine in 2012.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Ankles v. Cankles!

Victor, be nice. Hehe.

OT: I’m reading that article on internet personality disorders and the one on trolls is interesting.

This rarely diagnosed but often claimed disorder is a mild form of Autism that comes with what seems to be a biological inability to show empathy for other human beings… people who do all of their communicating online wind up mimicking Asperger’s behaviors because they are imposing the same disadvantages on themselves. In both cases, when the ability to see nonverbal responses and facial expressions goes away, so does empathy. Soon the thing you’re communicating with isn’t a person, they’re just a bunch of words on a screen. A bunch of words that the little bastard didn’t even bother to spellcheck.

xax on July 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM

It’s going to be harder for her as a women. Doubly hard as a conservative woman. triply hard due to the previous meme created during the last election cycle. But, she has to do this. She has to LOOK and SOUND presidential. I hate it just like the rest of you…but, it’s true.

Let’s treat her fairly but not with kid gloves. Remember that we want the best for the country and that means a fair debate and equal consideration. No one is owed this position.

Mommypundit on July 3, 2009 at 6:15 AM

Yes.

So, when I say these things, I do not think she cannot be president. I am saying she can and should do what it takes to get there.

Mommypundit on July 3, 2009 at 6:26 AM

Yes, again.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Charles K damaged himself greatly with these statements.

Governor Sarah Palin is the only true conservative that has any chance of defeating the socialist machine in 2012.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Agreed, and every pundit that continues to trash her reveals their RINO status for all to see.

Run a Conservative in 2012 and the GOP will win.
Run a RINO in 2012 and the entire world will lose once again.

Keemo on July 3, 2009 at 9:26 AM

SARAH-ALSO-PALIN IS NOT PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL
SARAH-WINK,WINK-PALIN IS NOT READY FOR PRIMETIME

In the vp debate Joe-the clown-Biden said not least than 10 lies, Palin couldn’t reject any, not even that about running Hezbollah out of Lebanon. It takes a very dumb person not to know that was a lie.

Falz on July 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM

You do know Krauthammer is Latin for German Hammer

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Palin could instantly take over for Biden as VP and be just as effective once she had her lobotomy.

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 9:40 AM

O.K. so let me get this straight. According to Allah, Obama is an itellectual giant and has “gravitas” because he debated McCain and Hillary(and let’s not forget those heavyweights–Biden and Edwards) and has given hard-hitting interviews and policy speeches. Have I got that right? Wow. Thank God he’s the Prez, then. This has got to be the most assinine thing I have ever read on Hot Air.

First of all, who said McCain and Hillary were a barometer for measuring smarts? We all saw McCain in action and let’s be honest, Hillary isn’t exactly wowing anyone outside Foggy Bottom. She’s the most overrated woman in politics. She is where she is because of Bill Clinton–period.

Now about those in-depth interviews Obama has done. You mean the same ones with a fawning media bowing before him and kissing his ring? Those interviews? Just exactly how many hard-hitting interviews has this guy done–before and after the election? I can’t think of any.

And let’s not forget those great policy speeches he has given…….Again, I can’t think of any. The guy has been consistantly wrong on his “foreign policy” decisions. I mean this is the same guy who bowed to the Saudi King, gave the Queen of England an iPod with his speeches on it, refused to publicly support the student protesters in Iran for fear of meddling but now demands a corrupt politician in Honduras be reinstated–despite his attempts at becoming another South American dictator. Yeah, this guy definately knows what he’s doing *snort*.

If Obama has gravitas, it’s because it comes with being President. He didn’t get this job because he has gravitas. He has gravitas because he got the job.

I find it funny how Allah will go out of his way to find something positive to say about Obama and does the exact opposite about Palin. We get it. You think she’s a rube and think Obama is a great intellectual. So what if he’s turning us into a Third World Banana Republic? At least he went to Harvard and not The University of Idaho. What a snob. I will take Sarah Palin’s common sense and love of country ANYDAY over these elitist jerks and their desire to remake America in their Socialist image.

Redneck Woman on July 3, 2009 at 9:40 AM

And they still dont get it….

Those good Ol’ boys of the beltway, those in the machine and the ones who write about them on the right side of the isle.

Hello, McFlys……Look around you. Guess who aint in power right now. And guess who made it that way. Give up?

And now some of you wanna run the same old candidates, with the same old ideas, expecting what? To not get the same old result.

Heres a bit of advice from outside the beltway. From towns surrounded by fields of corn, soybeans, woods, and lakes. Where the only time you ride in a limo is either to the prom, your wedding day, or maybe when you put a loved one into the ground.

In our lives we cant afford to keep making the same mistakes over and over again. It cost money most of us dont have. Its now costing us our rights as well. What else do we have to give up until you figure out maybe we need to go in another direction?

We ask, we beg for a new direction, and your response is….

Mitt Romney.

Stuck on stupid.

mikkins on July 3, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Allahpundit: We’ve been having a running debate on Twitter this afternoon about Sarahcuda and my contention that criticism of her is verboten among righty blog readers, HA’s included. This thread will be an interesting test case.

A lot of Governor Palin’s supporters are open to debate, doubt and criticism of their candidate. Some get heated in response, but not intolerant. A few are intolerant. Isn’t this same pattern true with all prospective candidates and major issues?

Any successful candidate needs very loyal supporters who can be relied upon even in the darkest moments. But to win the nomination and the election, the candidate also needs to attract critics and doubters. Americans tend not to be idol worshipers when it comes to politicians, or purists when it comes to political ideologies. We make pragmatic choices and compromises. At least I hope that’s still true.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Mitt Romney…

The man..the hair…the loss..

Paid for by the Mitt Romney Ruins To Lose Again 2012 Committee,Al Franken, Treasurer

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Ruins=Runs

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Governor Sarah Palin is the only true conservative that has any chance of defeating the socialist machine in 2012.

DannoJyd

Stop it! You’re making AP’s eyes bleed.

SKYFOX on July 3, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Americans tend not to be idol worshipers when it comes to politicians, or purists when it comes to political ideologies. We make pragmatic choices and compromises. At least I hope that’s still true.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Lox, I gotta go, but I’d love to take this on with you sometime. There is a lot here I disagree with.

Cheers for now…

Saltysam on July 3, 2009 at 9:51 AM

I will take Sarah Palin’s common sense and love of country ANYDAY over these elitist jerks and their desire to remake America in their Socialist image.

Redneck Woman on July 3, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Outstanding post!

HoustonRight on July 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Palin Rocks, wait until she runs, she is trying to lay law while Governor.

Firebird on July 3, 2009 at 9:55 AM

I will take Sarah Palin’s common sense and love of country ANYDAY over these elitist jerks and their desire to remake America in their Socialist image.

Redneck Woman on July 3, 2009 at 9:40 AM

There’s simply nothing to add to a perfect post.

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 9:55 AM

The great thing for those of us who’ve been actually paying attention to the Sarah Palin of today and not fixated on some contrived absurdist Fey-ish “lowlights” reel of Palin from Fall ’08, know that she’s been demonstrating the growth necessary to be successful in the future.

Jonah Goldberg is generally a good guy but is poorly informed about what’s been happening with Palin.

Robert_Paulson on July 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Do you think this thread was a good test case? I don’t have the patience but I would bet if you grouped the comments here it would show that there is a substantial, if not majority, of people who think Mr. Krauthammer makes a legitimate point, second the people who might be call devoted to Gov. Palin, sundry comments promoting other candidates and then the usual chitchat that goes on in any thread. The ongoing a$$ kicking given to DaveS would be in the chitchat column. Anyway, it would be more honest if Allah would actually take the overall thread on which to base his snark instead of cherry picking comments to carry his argument.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM

i like Sarah, but she should speak in complete sentences. i guess i always get her point, but its not always put forth in a coherent manner.

are yall mad at me now?

kelley in virginia on July 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Wouldn’t it be nice if our culture valued good parenting instead of dysfunctional celebrities?

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Sure, it would be terrific if everyone were Ward and June Cleaver without a hint of dysfunction.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM

I usually vote “R” for president, but in 2008, I went third party. McCain was simply too unpalatable, and Gov. Palin did not (and does not) inspire me.

MaggieCarta on July 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM

And so, you contributed to giving us the worst president in US history, because you were feeling finicky?

Count to 10 on July 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM

By the way, one can be a marvelous parent and still have kids who screw up.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Run a Conservative in 2012 and the GOP will win.
Run a RINO in 2012 and the entire world will lose once again.

Keemo on July 3, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Spot on, and let’s not forget that Governor Palin is running what may well be the most financially sound state in the Union.

Stop it! You’re making AP’s eyes bleed.

SKYFOX on July 3, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Oh come on! AP isn’t that weak, but the beltway moderate GOP insiders certainly are.

DannoJyd on July 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM

are yall mad at me now?
kelley in virginia on July 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Yes.

Heretic.

Get out.

Bishop on July 3, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM

I agree with both of you. I love the values and convictions that Sarah brings to the table. However, I also believe that to be a viable candidate in 2012 she should adobt a more stately mannor. Of course being from the south I have no problem with a “folksy” delivery, but it is the national constituency that needs convincing.

HoustonRight on July 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM

In the vp debate Joe-the clown-Biden said not least than 10 lies, Palin couldn’t reject any, not even that about running Hezbollah out of Lebanon. It takes a very dumb person not to know that was a lie.

Falz on July 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM

You mean McCain wasn’t “guilty” of the same thing in his debates? Heck, Palin has been blasted for not sticking to the debate script and procedure, and blasted FOR sticking to it. LOL Just goes to show.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM

I’m quite late in saying this, but I agree with Krauthammer for the most part. Palin just doesn’t have the sturdiness or real timber to be the head of the ticket in 2012. Period. End of story.

I love Sarah Palin, but she just doesn’t quite have the “it” you have to carry with you to be a presidential contender. She’s doing a great job up in Alaska and I say she stays right there, away from all the ridicule and vile treatment she suffered during last year’s campaign.

Jockolantern on July 3, 2009 at 10:06 AM

jockolantern: and they want to throw me out for suggesting that Sarah speak in complete sentences. you’ll be shunned.

kelley in virginia on July 3, 2009 at 10:07 AM

I have seen comenters on this thread that I’ve never seen before on Hot Air. Just like with her public appearances, Sarah sure attracts the crowds.

kingsjester on July 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM

I’d love to take this on with you sometime. There is a lot here I disagree with.

Cheers for now…

Saltysam on July 3, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Will you take me out camping in your back yard? Or, out to the woodshed? Just curious.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM

I’m quite late in saying this, but I agree with Krauthammer for the most part. Palin just doesn’t have the sturdiness or real timber to be the head of the ticket in 2012. Period. End of story.

I love Sarah Palin, but she just doesn’t quite have the “it” you have to carry with you to be a presidential contender. She’s doing a great job up in Alaska and I say she stays right there, away from all the ridicule and vile treatment she suffered during last year’s campaign.

Jockolantern on July 3, 2009 at 10:06 AM

What you’re saying is that if the media make sufficient fun of any conservative candidate, we can have lefty rule for as far as the eye can see. Period. End of story.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:10 AM

HoustonRight on July 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM

As a fellow southerner I agree, we tend to embrace “quirky”. In a thread the other day I mentioned how much I like Gov. Barbour and what an effective RNC chairman he had been and immediately there were comments that he isn’t a viable candidate because of his accent. Mass communicating is ruining the regional flavor of our country. Imagine what we would be like if text via internet had been invented before video.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Kraut holds something like Absolute Conservative Moral Authority, so this will be a short thread, I think.

Jaibones on July 2, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Like I said…

Jaibones on July 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM

I’m quite late in saying this, but I agree with Krauthammer for the most part. Palin just doesn’t have the sturdiness or real timber to be the head of the ticket in 2012. Period. End of story.

Jockolantern on July 3, 2009 at 10:06 AM

I think that comment is interesting, though. I want someone to explain to me in some detail why Sarah Palin doesn’t have the seriousness and sturdiness to be the head of the ticket, but Romney and Huckabee do.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM

It takes a very dumb person not to know that was a lie.
Falz on July 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Eh, I have a guy working for me who can tear apart and reassemble any transmission you can care to name while wearing a blindfold, he’s a frackin’ wizard, yet if I were to ask him how many pitch gears are in a standard Chevy car transmission, he couldn’t even begin to tell me.

Bishop on July 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM

This nation has become so superficial. There is more concern over the wrapping than what is in the package. I long for the day that charactor, ethics, and values was what each man/woman was to be judged by.

HoustonRight on July 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Jaibones on July 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM

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Are you this good at the horse races?

Americannodash on July 3, 2009 at 10:18 AM

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM

Seconded.

Timbre and sturdiness? That needs to be defined and quantified, and then explained as to why Palin doesn’t possess them. Off the top of my head, any woman who can hunt large game is plenty sturdy in my mind…and worthy of grabbing and marrying.

Bishop on July 3, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Saltysam on July 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Ala 1980 and Reagan.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Kraut holds something like Absolute Conservative Moral Authority, so this will be a short thread, I think.

Jaibones on July 2, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Like I said…

Jaibones on July 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM

You made the mistake of thinking that any individual holds anything like Absolute Conservative Moral Authority.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM

As a constituent of Gov. Barbour, I know how effective and bright he is. If an accent was a measure of electability, then none of the Kennedys would have ever been elected. I am very tired of the Culturally Elite up in the Northeast trying to rule the country. This is a great big country with a lot of very intelligent people that do not live in the Northeast or on the Left Coast.

kingsjester on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

There’s an interesting meme I’ve noticed: “The left is scared of Palin”. They aren’t.

She’s damaged beyond repair. If you want to blame “the media” or whatever, that’s fine. It doesn’t change that, in the end, she’ll be remembered precisely because she got creamed by Couric.

That the Republican base loves her means nothing, because she turns everyone else completely off.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Sure, it would be terrific if everyone were Ward and June Cleaver without a hint of dysfunction.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Well, I’m not that ideological.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Falz on July 3m 2009 at 9:38 AM

It’s take a dumber person to assert these lies during a debate watched by tens of millions.

Sarah’s goal was to assert her competence in the foreign-affairs part of the debate. She succeeded way beyond expectations. Remember there are time constraints in debates and remember she did mention the pundits would be analyzing the debate as Monday-morning QB’s. What she figured was Biden’s lies would be exposed by the MSM
That is where she failed except for Fox News. She misread how ‘in the tank’ the MSM was for Obama. That was the purpose of Media Malpractice-to expose the MSM for how it got Obama elected.

technopeasant on July 3, 2009 at 10:23 AM

There’s an interesting meme I’ve noticed: “The left is scared of Palin”. They aren’t.

She’s damaged beyond repair. If you want to blame “the media” or whatever, that’s fine. It doesn’t change that, in the end, she’ll be remembered precisely because she got creamed by Couric.

That the Republican base loves her means nothing, because she turns everyone else completely off.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Funny thing is, though, the smears and hit pieces just keep on comin’. The left has been terrified of her since she first appeared. They apparently don’t think she’s been damaged beyond repair.

Sure, it would be terrific if everyone were Ward and June Cleaver without a hint of dysfunction.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Well, I’m not that ideological.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Only when it suits your purpose.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM

This is a great big country with a lot of very intelligent people that do not live in the Northeast or on the Left Coast.
kingsjester on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I thunk u are kerrect.

Bishop on July 3, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Do they really count as debates, AP, if it’s basically a fight between who can promise to be more loose with taxpayer dollars for, to quote His Majesty, “the purposes of fairness?”

The Democratic debates were worthless. Just stick to the message of giving away the store and being not Bush, and 60-90 minutes later the biggest most non-Bush liberal wins.

Throw in liberal guilt complexes and it’s easy to see why Clinton and Obama, the two least experienced candidates came out on top.

BKennedy on July 3, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Bishop on July 3, 2009 at 10:25 AM

You is truly a inteligint smart man, Bish.

kingsjester on July 3, 2009 at 10:27 AM

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM

The smears and hit pieces keep on coming simply because she keeps on talking. One of the gripes from ‘teh east coast GOP ivory tower power broker RINOs’ is that she absolutely refuses to learn.

The folksy act plays well in Peoria, but until she admits she needs work and is willing to learn, she’s going to remain a national laughingstock.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Charles K. is great for analyzing policy, etc. He is not, however, a good political prognosticator. He is dead wrong on this one. He also claims that Mitt Romney is the front runner, despite his 16 point disadvantage among Republican voters. Maybe Mittens is the front runner for the beltway pundits. However, it’s actual voters who, well, vote. Republican voters didn’t vote for Mittens in the 2008 primaries without Sarah Palin and they certainly won’t like him with Palin running. Mr. Krauthammer bases his entire prediction on the tendency of Republicans to nominate the “next in line”. By that standard, shouldn’t the Huckster be next in line?

Regardless, in the past when the Republicans did this, there was no Sarah Palin in existence but rather a group of rich old uncharismatic white guys, like Romney. Think George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, and John McCain, for example. This simple concept seems impossible for people like Charles K. to grasp. Pssssst, Charles, Mitt Romney will NEVER be president, unless he somehow gets there ala Gerald Ford. I’ll rephrase, Mitt Romney will never be elected president. If Governor Palin wants the nomination in 2012, she’ll beat Romney handily.

DB

DB9 on July 3, 2009 at 9:00 AM

This is an excellent post.

As much as I like CK, he is policy.

He has on more than one occasion betrayed his ignorance of America outside his world.

I smile or chuckle when I hear Romneyites actually believing that he can be POTUS in 2012. They don’t have a clue.

Anybody who saw him speak at CPAC could see it. I actually voted for him in the primary as the lesser of 3 evils, but he just is so uncomfortable mixing with the masses and comes off so phony or blow-dried or wooden.

You can REALLY tell Romney doesn’t like mixing with the voters.

This is a board member, not a shift manager.

Sarah is the Plant Mgr., not Romney.

Romney is STAFF, not LINE.

Sarah is LINE, not STAFF.

How many more times do we have to tell Romneyits this reality.

Sapwolf on July 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM

She’s damaged beyond repair. If you want to blame “the media” or whatever, that’s fine. It doesn’t change that, in the end, she’ll be remembered precisely because she got creamed by Couric.

That the Republican base loves her means nothing, because she turns everyone else completely off.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

If that were truly the case. Then the logical move would be to step back and let her gain the momentum amoung the base so to ensure an easy path to reelection for dems. No, it is fear maybe not of Sarah per se but of the values an principles she represents.

HoustonRight on July 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Oh, AP, you devil, you. You with the test cases. You are BA-A-AAD.

J.E. Dyer on July 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Do you think this thread was a good test case?

Every thread about every candidate or issue is a good test case. The blogger posting the thread and each person commenting in the thread makes choices. And each choice and its consequences are recorded and kept on file for review on that fateful day when we meet our Maker. Of course, some say the Blog Maker is just a figment of our imaginations…

I don’t have the patience but I would bet if you grouped the comments here it would show that there is a substantial, if not majority, of people who think Mr. Krauthammer makes a legitimate point, second the people who might be call devoted to Gov. Palin, sundry comments promoting other candidates and then the usual chitchat that goes on in any thread. The ongoing a$$ kicking given to DaveS would be in the chitchat column.

Ah ha.

Anyway, it would be more honest if Allah would actually take the overall thread on which to base his snark instead of cherry picking comments to carry his argument.

There is a running debate on Hot Air about Allahpundit. My contention is that criticism of him is obligatorisch among all blog readers. This thread was an interesting test case.

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 10:30 AM

She’s damaged beyond repair. If you want to blame “the media” or whatever, that’s fine. It doesn’t change that, in the end, she’ll be remembered precisely because she got creamed by Couric.

That the Republican base loves her means nothing, because she turns everyone else completely off.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Since she’s so damaged beyond repair, wouldn’t it be smarter for the left to ignore her completely and let the Republican base follow its Pied Piper to destruction?
Better yet, they should be praising her to the skies so that she can be the sure nominee in 2012 — considering she would be the absolute easiest to demolish, right?

They’re terrified of this woman presenting herself on her own terms. They know they could never beat her without the sliming and caricature.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM

Perhaps the problem we have in disagreements about whether or not Palin has “it”. comes from a regional/economic perspective.
If you’re an east or west coast “blue blood”, someone like Palin looks “rustic” to you, not of the elite status as you or your friends at the country club.
Her down home family and middle class style is abhorrent to you. No doubt she does not have the breeding that a Bush family person would have. She probably wouldn’t fit in at
Kennebunkport in the summer, or the Hamptons.
It reminds you of those awful days when a common Hollywood “B” actor was running the GOP.
“Good heavens Lovie, what has happened to our party”
(Thurston Howell III)

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 10:33 AM

krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

If Sarah Palin in political terms is ‘damaged beyond repair’ or in layman’s terms dead as a doornail why do her opponents treat her as if she is very much alive and thriving? To me there is a flaw in your logic.

And secondly you claim ‘that Republican base loves her means nothing, because she turns everyone else completely off’ fails to acknowledge the reality of the Republican primary system. For your info, 80% of voters in Republican primaries (even with crossover voting in some states) is from Republicans. In 2008 the Republican vote was splintered among 5-6 different candidates and with McCain getting a sizeable crossover vote was able to beat everyone else. But if Sarah Palin is able to coalesce the base around her in 2012 she will be very hard to beat. So far, so good. Via the recent PEW poll Sarah is given the thumbs up by 84% of white evangelical Republicans, 80% of conservative Republicans, and 61% of moderate Republicans and that translates into a favorability number of 73% among all Republicans.

krydor, every politician would love to be as ‘damaged’ now as you make Sarah Palin out to be.

And by the way these numbers are before the Sanford affair. Sarah may be even more ‘damaged’ than you first expected.

technopeasant on July 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM

The smears and hit pieces keep on coming simply because she keeps on talking.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Really now. So this Vanity Fair hit piece appeared simply because she gave a couple of interviews and hasn’t had the decency to die yet? You probably don’t realize it, but you proved my point.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Only when it suits your purpose.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM

That’s an asinine remark. I never intimated that I think everyone should be like the Cleavers. That was YOUR projection.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM

They’re terrified of this woman presenting herself on her own terms. They know they could never beat her without the sliming and caricature.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM

The GOP spent a lot of time bashing Hillary–a candidate much easier to run against than Obama was. Sometimes each side does it more to amuse themselves than for strategic gain.

dedalus on July 3, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Only when it suits your purpose.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM
That’s an asinine remark. I never intimated that I think everyone should be like the Cleavers. That was YOUR projection.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM

No, it was your asinine setting yourself up as judge of acceptable parenting and family life. Maybe you should refrain from that sort of judgement, then?

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:37 AM

They’re terrified of this woman presenting herself on her own terms. They know they could never beat her without the sliming and caricature.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM
The GOP spent a lot of time bashing Hillary–a candidate much easier to run against than Obama was. Sometimes each side does it more to amuse themselves than for strategic gain.

dedalus on July 3, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Nowhere near the same level. And yep, the GOP did consider Hillary a threat.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM

If that were truly the case. Then the logical move would be to step back and let her gain the momentum amoung the base so to ensure an easy path to reelection for dems. No, it is fear maybe not of Sarah per se but of the values an principles she represents.

HoustonRight on July 3, 2009 at 10:29 AM

She’s got momentum among the base. No one debates this. The problem is, and I’ll say it again, her refusal to expand her horizons.

She hasn’t been out of the public eye since the election ended. She hasn’t stopped being a gaffe machine since the election ended, either.

This stuff the media is doing is simply grabbing the low hanging fruit. I would almost say that Palin is giving the media the fruit and they aren’t reaching. If she does, somehow, gain the Republican nomination for 2012, they will actively go after her.

They aren’t even trying right now. It’s a good idea for all the Palin supporters to actually begin the vetting process on her now. Her rise from Wasilla council member to VP Candidate isn’t pretty and it’s being saved for national consumption.

She’s doing nothing to mitigate this stuff.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZGE1OTE3OTFhMmZkOWE5MDQ5MmZhZTFjMzE2MjcxNTM=

Buglory for scapegoating you, you are not without blame either. You do seem to think the best advice is for you to stay just the way you are. Leaders listen to the advice they don’t necessarily want to hear.t while McCain’s strategists do not cover themselves in

But here’s the thing: Don’t listen to your biggest fans. Don’t alienate them either, but don’t think that because the Palin4Pres crowd cheers, you’re making progress. Politics is ultimately about persuasion, and you seem entirely uninterested in that, preferring instead to play the victim. Well, victims don’t get elected president. Ronald Reagan was a laughingstock for liberals and despised by the press. But he didn’t whine or take the bait.

Here’s the good news: You have time. Here’s the better news: You have something no one else in the party has — charisma.

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Really now. So this Vanity Fair hit piece appeared simply because she gave a couple of interviews and hasn’t had the decency to die yet? You probably don’t realize it, but you proved my point.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Vanity Fair to Politics is what Field & Stream is to Penthouse

Jeff from WI on July 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM

They’re terrified of this woman presenting herself on her own terms. They know they could never beat her without the sliming and caricature.
ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM

The blueblood “elites” and wanna-be hangers-on caricature themselves, opining from a Manhattan studio in their nasally twang about the rustic nature of the simple woman from Alaska, a woman who does things that “normal” people just don’t do…like hunt and fish.

Yet people like me see those traits and recognize them for being the real stuff of America, the things that the great mass of non-urban socialites enjoy doing. So the bluebloods lose, they make Palin more average and thus more likeable.

Bishop on July 3, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Loxodonta on July 3, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Well this debate on Twitter about commenters is an ongoing complaint of mine. I may be totally off base in my criticism but I view them as a “Hey, let me take this stick and poke the caged monkeys”.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM

She hasn’t been out of the public eye since the election ended. She hasn’t stopped being a gaffe machine since the election ended, either.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Tell us a few of those gaffes. Come on. With references, if necessary.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM

She succeeded way beyond expectations.
technopeasant on July 3, 2009 at 10:23 AM

That is true.

That isn’t Kruathammers point. It’s the lack of depth she presents when she uses the platitudes etc. A couple of debate preformances cannot overcome a seemingly shallow understanding of the issues. And I’m not saying she is shallow because I don’t really know. But she comes off that way to people who aren’t her fans and they will not vote for her as long as that is the case.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Well this debate on Twitter about commenters is an ongoing complaint of mine. I may be totally off base in my criticism but I view them as a “Hey, let me take this stick and poke the caged monkeys”.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM

Well, I don’t know if that poking happens as often as some here would say… That said, I think AP really likes to poke people on THIS site… He could offer more, but sometimes he just wants to, well, in Krauthammer’s words, pull a Palin. He doesn’t want to expand, so he sticks with his old sarcasm…

Upstater85 on July 3, 2009 at 10:43 AM

No, it was your asinine setting yourself up as judge of acceptable parenting and family life. Maybe you should refrain from that sort of judgement, then?

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Dude…. do you have a life besides religiously following the Palin threads? Leaves open two distinct possibilities; (a) either Sarah has stooped to the level of paying loyalists to defend her on the internet 24/7 or (b) you need to step away from the keyboard and experience life

Perhaps you are lashing out because YOUR parents were lacking and the truths that some speak about good parenting rub you the wrong way

Bradky on July 3, 2009 at 10:43 AM

kingsjester on July 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM

No no, just southern accents are verboten. Oh wait, and Gov. Palin’s.

Cindy Munford on July 3, 2009 at 10:43 AM

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:37 AM

OK, I’ll treat you as the rest of the trolls around here.

Provide my comment proving your claim.

csdeven on July 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM

This stuff the media is doing is simply grabbing the low hanging fruit. I would almost say that Palin is giving the media the fruit and they aren’t reaching.

So Palin needs to get out more, let the public see and hear her, but not give the MSM whores any “low hanging fruit”?

Everything Palin does is low-hanging fruit; she could stand still in an empty room wearing a demure outfit and the MSM would still find ten reasons to ridicule and hate her, and if that wasn’t productive they would ignore Palin and go after her family.

Bishop on July 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Nowhere near the same level. And yep, the GOP did consider Hillary a threat.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:39 AM

There were plenty who were looking forward to taking on a candidate, like Hillary, who was starting a campaign with such high negatives. I thought Operation Chaos was a belated realization of this.

dedalus on July 3, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Really now. So this Vanity Fair hit piece appeared simply because she gave a couple of interviews and hasn’t had the decency to die yet? You probably don’t realize it, but you proved my point.

ddrintn on July 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM

No, because she hasn’t grown from the gal who got smoked by Couric in a puff piece. She hasn’t changed from the woman who winked at the camera during a debate. She hasn’t shown anything special.

technopeasant on July 3, 2009 at 10:36 AM

And the Republican party keeps getting smaller. Of the 20% of the US population that is registered republican, about 70% love Palin. How well does that translate to the other 80% of the population? It doesn’t.

It’s the same kind of silliness that showed Bush with a 26% percent approval rating simply because the diehards wouldn’t look at the flaws.

Krydor on July 3, 2009 at 10:45 AM

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