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Enough already. The man is psycho, make him go, for both his sake and ours.

A man like him doesn’t even know what love is! Anyone who has an affair is completely clueless what true love is.

Soulmate, make me gag.

I assure you that the Madoff victims would rather have their money back than him in jail.

ThackerAgency on July 1, 2009 at 4:30 PM

You’re probably right, but that’s not the point. Justice is not an “either/or” type of thing, where the criminal can “either” return what was taken unlawfully, “or” he can go to jail. Justice is not “either/or” but “both/and”. In order for justice to be carried out, Madoff should be required to both repay what he defrauded, and go to jail. His victims would certainly love to have their money back, but do you really think that even they would think that justice had been done if he were somehow able to repay all the money, but then allowed to go free to perhaps defraud someone else and not get caught?

In terms of the political class that makes it a habit of “misappropriating” public funds for personal benefit, I do not get any satisfaction at all when, after they have been caught, they promise to pay the money back. Yes, I’m happy the public monies have been restored, but the crook is still in a position to steal again… but with greater care next time. Gov. Sanford “misappropriated” public funds for his trysts. The fact that he promises to repay those monies now is irrelevant as long as he remains in a position to “misappropriate” again… but with greater care next time.

ThackerAgency on July 1, 2009 at 4:30 PM

I don’t disagree with anything you have posted here or in your post to which I previously replied, other than the notion that punishment is revenge. It can be incredibly unjust, as you point out, but that’s not how our Justice System works which still includes punishment. And, for example, coddling children instead of providing appropriate punishment to them, can result in a spoiled, narcissistic culture of adults who have little if any self-discipline or control and elect people who are just like themselves: Obama! So, I agree with you that restitution is always desirable, just not as a substitute for punishment.

Sanford may well make a better governor than Bev Perdue. I don’t know anything about her other than she’s a Democrat, but that is a strong indicator in favor of Sanford. Now, if you are a Sanford supporter, would you please try to get him to shut up and do his job? Thanks.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/07/01/jenny-sanford-governor-kudlow-moore-urge-s-c-first-lady-run-husbands-seat

Punishment, if properly carried out as a means of preventing further crime, is not revenge, but Justice.

Loxodonta on July 1, 2009 at 3:27 PM

In Islamic countries, they don’t waste money on ‘justice’. A situation like this they would just cut off his hands. That would prevent them from stealing.

I assure you that the Madoff victims would rather have their money back than him in jail.

As for Mark Sanford, I’m in NC and I’d trade our governor for him in a nanosecond.

Mrs Sanford you already have 4 sons, do you really need to raise 5? Get a Nanny for your sons, and a pool boy for you ;)

No matter how contrite or sympathetic he appears to some, to some of us he’s only hurting his state and his party. He can be as sorry as he wants after he turns in his resignation.

Vera71 on July 1, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Or perhaps he really sees himself as a tragic figure and is seeking the public’s sympathy.

Oblivious to the harm he is doing to his family. Now that’s a tragedy.

Jeff from WI on July 1, 2009 at 3:10 PM”

Yeh, you do that before God and the party(ies) that were wronged and you do it privately as you can. He does owe the taxpayers of SC an apology and a check for his extracurricular activities. Beyond that, this is a private matter. The only thing he is doing is publically inflicting pain on his family. No matter how contrite or sympathetic he appears to some, to some of us he’s only hurting his state and his party. He can be as sorry as he wants after he turns in his resignation.

if I take something from you, but then give it back, that IS JUSTICE. Punishing someone on top of that is revenge.

ThackerAgency on July 1, 2009 at 2:53 PM

No, that’s not justice. That’s merely restitution. Assuming a criminal act is involved (as in the case of a politician knowingly and deliberately “misappropriating” public funds for personal use, or a thief breaking in my house and stealing my TV), justice is not served until punishment has been administered. The only exception to this (and its more a caveat than an exception) is if the criminal (in my example, the politician or the thief, but I repeat myself) feels the pangs of conscience and personal remorse for his misdeeds before he has been caught – or preferably before there is even any knowledge that a crime has been committed, and in an act of penitent contrition goes to the victim and “fesses up” and makes restitution, returning what he has stolen. I would argue that even then “justice” has not been done, but in this circumstance “mercy” should come into play to temper justice.

The problem with politicians – and we’re the ones letting them get away with it – is that they steal from us, and they plan to keep it. It is only after they have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar that they promise to give the money back, and to never do that again. Which, in politician speak, means “I promise to be much more careful about covering my tracks next time I steal from the public coffers.” There is never true remorse or pangs of conscience, only embarrassment for having gotten caught.

The poor guy, he is just another victim of love. At least he isn’t having to pay hookers like the democrats do.

saiga on July 1, 2009 at 3:52 PM

My question to those politicians using paid hookers is are they paying them as sub contractors and retaining proof of Workmans Comp insurance as well as providing the hooker a 1099 or are they treating the hooker as an employee and withholding FICA and issuing a W-2?

Yes, because he went missing for a few days without informing anyone else in state government, thus being negligent in his duties. That coupled with his bizarre ongoing confession.

Dang, and I thought he’d be a formidable opponent to Dear Leader.

You are that train wreck. Stop it. You are finished. You are embarassing yourself, devestating your wife and children, and hurting the party. If you have any decency left at all, go away.