Honduras to OAS: Pound sand

posted at 9:28 am on July 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Honduras turned defiant today, reacting to an ultimatum from the Organization of American States to reinstate deposed president Manuel Zelaya.  Roberto Micheletti, appointed acting president by the Honduran legislature, responded by telling the OAS that Zelaya would be arrested immediately upon entering Honduras.  The only way in which Zelaya would return to the presidency, Micheletti promised, would be at the head of a foreign army:

Honduras’ interim leader warned that the only way his predecessor will return to office is through a foreign invasion, setting up a dramatic showdown with the ousted president who is preparing to come home accompanied by world leaders.

A defiant Roberto Micheletti said in an interview with The Associated Press late Tuesday that “no one can make me resign,” defying the United Nations, the Organization of American States, the Obama administration and other leaders that have condemned the military coup that ousted President Manuel Zelaya.

Micheletti vowed Zelaya would be arrested if he followed through with plans to return to Honduras on Thursday, even though the presidents of Argentina and Ecuador have signed on to accompany him along with the heads of the Organization of American States and the U.N. General Assembly.

Zelaya himself, though, gave some indication that he recognized his own lawbreaking, undermining the effort by the OAS:

Zelaya, who is an ally of leftist Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, backed down from the referendum Tuesday, saying at the United Nations that he would no longer push for the constitutional changes he wanted.

One of several clauses that cannot be legally altered in the Honduran constitution limits presidents to a single, 4-year term, and Congress claims Zelaya, whose term ends in January, modified the ballot question at the last minute to help him eventually try to seek re-election. Chavez has used referendums in Venezuela to win the right to run repeatedly.

“I’m not going to hold a constitutional assembly,” Zelaya said. “And if I’m offered the chance to stay in power, I won’t. I’m going to serve my four years.”

Maybe the OAS, and especially the Obama administration, should take a look at that statement and consider it awhile.  Honduras had legitimate reason to remove Zelaya from office, even if arguably they used illegitimate means to do so.  Zelaya repeatedly violated the constitution of Honduras, first by attempting to hold the referendum, and second by illegally firing the chief of the Army, who reports to both the president and the legislature in Honduras.

The idea of marching Zelaya back into Honduras flanked by the heads of state of two other nations is practically begging for war.  The Honduran military will have no choice but to arrest Zelaya, which will give Argentina and Ecuador an excuse to send its military if the trio have guns drawn on them at the airport.  And for what?  In the service of an executive who abused power and flouted the law in an attempt to make himself Presidente-for-Life?

Barack Obama has enabled this nuttiness with his meddling on behalf of a Chavez wannabe.  His State Department had better make it known that any attempt to fly Zelaya back into Honduras would be met with our displeasure, and that the issue rightly belongs with the Honduran legislature and courts.  Otherwise, we’ll have a war breaking out in Latin America that we can ill afford at the moment.

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If only we could adopt this clause…..We dearly need a constitutional amendment that directs/informs the legislature when their SPENDING PRACTICES ARE OUT OF BOUNDS
Rovin on July 1, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Congress is the body which gives itself all the perks in the world, they aren’t about to subject themselves to the will of the people.

We would need the military, or a million armed citizens choking the halls of Congress and the D.C. mall, to get it done. Thinking about it and the way things are heading, you know it might just come to that.

Bishop on July 1, 2009 at 10:40 AM

Unlike Israel, Honduras has the balls to utter a resounding “up yours” to Obama administration.

Sigh.

Aristotle on July 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM

ProfessorMiao on July 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Agreed, but the authors of his ideology weren’t too sharp either, which is why they were all basically failed street thugs (Alinsky and Ayers).

So Obama has really nothing positive to offer the American people, but we’re fortunate because his heroes and role models basically failed in everything they did as well.

NoDonkey on July 1, 2009 at 10:27 AM

I don’t agree with you. The authors of Obama’s ideology were Marx, Engels and Mao, all very intelligent men. Ideology is not a matter of intelligence, and I don’t think that Obama suffers from lack of intelligence. His arrogance leads him to do some pretty stupid things at times, but his reactions and policies are motivated first and foremost by his ideology and that is really evident in this case.

ProfessorMiao on July 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Bring it.

As one who follows military matters, I’ll tell you the Argentina and Ecuador militaries are fourth-rate at best. The Hondurans on the other hand are well trained….by us. (In fact, there is a US Army training mission with the Hondos right now). And what’s more, they are motivated to defend their democracy.

Venezuela…who knows. They have good hardware, but training and leadership is spotty. The Columbians (also recipients of US training) would thump them hard if they joined in…and enjoy it, I’m sure.

pseudonominus on July 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Obama: “NEVER MET A DICTATOR I DIDN’T LIKE”

preciousbox on July 1, 2009 at 10:44 AM

Unlike Israel, Honduras has the balls to utter a resounding “up yours” to Obama administration.

Sigh.

Aristotle on July 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM

I read Netanyahu’s speech, given not long after Obama’s Cairo speech, as an “up yours” to him and Clinton.

ProfessorMiao on July 1, 2009 at 10:44 AM

His State Department had better make it known that any attempt to fly Zelaya back into Honduras would be met with our displeasure, and that the issue rightly belongs with the Honduran legislature and courts.

He’ll wait until the opinion polls come out before issuing such a statement, and adopt a wait-and-see approach in the meantime.

hicsuget on July 1, 2009 at 10:45 AM

GIVE ‘EM HELL Mr. Micheletti!!!

Mr. Grump on July 1, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Bishop on July 1, 2009 at 10:40 AM

We need to go Robespierre on Congress and the first three melons in the fruit basket should be Pelosi’s, Reid’s then Frank’s, in that order, with Chris Dodd on deck.

Enough is enough.

NoDonkey on July 1, 2009 at 10:45 AM

Would the Obama administration’s firing/admonishing of our “independent” inspector generals qualify as an impeachable offense?

Rovin on July 1, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Yes of course, but…..Barry could strangle puppies in the middle of the white house lawn while revoking the bill of rights and in today’s alternate reality world it wouldn’t be an impeachable offense.

Wine_N_Dine on July 1, 2009 at 10:46 AM

So, how’s that working fer ya there berry?
Small Latin America country telling you to “Kiss My Country Ass!”

try again later on July 1, 2009 at 10:47 AM

We need to go Robespierre on Congress and the first three melons in the fruit basket should be Pelosi’s, Reid’s then Frank’s, in that order, with Chris Dodd on deck.

Enough is enough.

Please, bad historical precedent. Robespierre was a tyrant.

There is a way we have to try before we resort to violence.

Pure civil disobedience. Government relies on our passive compliance. If we decline to comply, especially those of us who are productive, what will they do?

Ragspierre on July 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM

The Honduran military will have no choice but to arrest Zelaya, which will give Argentina and Ecuador an excuse to send its military if the trio have guns drawn on them at the airport.

The idea is laughable. Just how would Argentina send even a batallion to Honduras, all the way from the Southern Cone? And Ecuador? What are they going to do, buy plane tickets for their army?

Presdient Kirchner in Argentina has been taking bribes from Chavez, and the Ecuadorean president is an ally of Chavez and his coca-paste dealer, the president of Bolivia. While their plans to accompany Zelaya is an attempt to intimidate Honduras (counting on them not to cause an incident in front of heads of state on an OAS-approved mission), the idea that it constitutes a a threat of war is silly. Let them declare war: the most they can do is send each other’s ambassadors home and call each other names.

The real danger here lies in the group pressure being put on the Hondurans in the service of Chavez, and disgustingly this seems to include us. I hope the Hondurans keep telling them all (including our administration) to vayan al Diablo.

irishspy on July 1, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Well if G Bush still was in power there would be a carrier task force off the coast oh Honduras backing Democracy.

Rick007 on July 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Ragspierre on July 1, 2009 at 10:35 AM

Seriously, you need to research it more. The officers may be trained by the U.S. but not exactly to the level our own officers are, and the enlisted ARE conscripts. Their military is geared toward defense, specifically a sea-borne invasion, and their reserves are trained in domestic guerilla tactics.

Their military power is rated less than Brazil, Chile, Peru, Argentina and Colombia, while their air strength of F-16′s is essentially grounded due to an embargo of critical parts from the U.S.

Not saying that Fat Boy Hugo couldn’t make trouble, but a protracted war would see the end of his regime.

Bishop on July 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM

The authors of Obama’s ideology were Marx, Engels and Mao, all very intelligent men.

By what standard?

Mao’s “Great Leap Forward”, for an example, was a complete and utter disaster that anyone with an ounce of common sense, would have known was destined for failure. Millions starved because of Mao’s unbridled stupidity. And yes, arrogance is stupidity.

Marx and Engels were basically failures in their time. That their idiotic screeds were adopted by other spectacular failures (e.g. Stalin and Mao), doesn’t make them successes.

I guess it depends on the definition of “success”. To me, you can be incredibly stupid and still amass power, which you then use to implement stupid policies. Like Stalin, Mao and Obama.

NoDonkey on July 1, 2009 at 10:52 AM

“…which will give Argentina and Ecuador an excuse to send its military if the trio have guns drawn on them at the airport. “

Yeah, and we all know about Argentina and Ecuador fearsome expeditionary forces…I mean, even the U.S. Marines won’t stand a chance against them…

ujorge on July 1, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Pure civil disobedience. Government relies on our passive compliance. If we decline to comply, especially those of us who are productive, what will they do?
Ragspierre on July 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Now THAT is a capital idea (thats right I said capital).

Bishop on July 1, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Well lets look at maby a good side of this. If Chavez sends some of his army to Honduras it will leave him open to a coup at home.

Believe me theres a faction in Venezuela that wants him out.

Rick007 on July 1, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Imagine if the press started asking Obama questions about Honduras’s constitution.

patrick neid on July 1, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I think Obama feels that the UN is the final arbiter of the Honduran Constitution. If the UN can amend the Honduran Constitution to expand executive term limits, then that will answer the question from yesterday regarding Rush Limbaugh’s musings as to how Obama would be able to serve more than two terms since there is no reason that the UN wouldn’t be able to amend the US Constitution as well once their authority to amend the Honduran Constitution is established.

Buddahpundit on July 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Honduras’ impeachment clause was removed from their Constitution in 2003 if I’m not mistaken. Not sure why.

A meme forming on the left at the moment is that if the NCA was formed to totally rewrite the Honduran Constitution, then what Zelaya was trying to do might be made (retroactively?) legal. So (and try to follow me here), if he could have gotten away with it, he could have gotten away with it.

DrSteve on July 1, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Buddahpundit on July 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Excellent point.

Disturb the Universe on July 1, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Honduras does not stand alone.

President Alvaro Uribe of Colombia stands with democracy and against Zelaya, Chavez, and Obama!!!!

El presidente de Colombia, Álvaro Uribe, defendió este martes el principio de la “no intervención” externa ante la crisis política en Honduras.

“El respeto a la no intervención debe ser a todas las horas, frente a todos los casos, no puede ser sesgado, no puede ser en este caso no intervención, en este caso sí intervención”, dijo Uribe a la prensa tras un discurso en el Centro Woodrow Wilson, un instituto de estudios.

“Cuando se viola el principio de la intervención se crean enormes dificultades políticas en el país intervenido”, alertó Uribe, quien pidió “el respeto a los principios democráticos, a la determinación democrática de cada pueblo”.

http://www.laprensahn.com/Ediciones/2009/07/01/Noticias/Uribe-defiende-principio-de-la-no-intervencion

Translation:

Alvaro Uribe, the president of Colombia, on Tuesday defended the principal of foreign “non –intervention” with regards to the Honduran political crisis.

Respect (of the principal) of “Non-intervention” should be practiced at all times, in all cases, and should not be twisted. “It cannot be non intervention in this case but intervention in this other case”, Uribe said, to the press, after a speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center, an institute of study (lol! pretty blatant slap at Obama)

“When the principal of (non-)intervention is violated it creates enormous political difficulties for the country where the intervention has taken place”, explained Uribe, whom then asked for “respect for the democratic principals and democratic self determination for every nation”

Basically he says that this is a Honduran internal matter and all outside actors need to stay the hell out of it.

Uribe has more guts in his pinky than Obama, supposed leader of the free world (ex-leader of the free world)

Obama now stands against President Uribe, the most popular anti Communist president in Colombian history (and our staunchest ally in Latin America), and makes common cause with the most hated Communist dictators in Latin American history; Chavez, Ortega, and the Castros.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Otherwise, we’ll have a war breaking out in Latin America that we can ill afford at the moment.

Smart power. Malia and Sasha are probably as capable of running foreign policy as Daddy O.

Buy Danish on July 1, 2009 at 10:58 AM

pseudonominus on July 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Also have combat experience alongside our folks in Iraq.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Pure civil disobedience. Government relies on our passive compliance. If we decline to comply, especially those of us who are productive, what will they do?
Ragspierre on July 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Now THAT is a capital idea (thats right I said capital).

I am putting together a little act of rebellion.

Watch for STARVE THE BEAST. The website is in development.

How does one $tarve the beast? Refuse to be eaten.

Ragspierre on July 1, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Something just occurred to me. If Central and South America were actually able to do something about the corruption (like Honduras is doing right now), they could thrive. Then we wouldn’t have the huge influx of illegal immigrants. That would seriously hinder the Cloward-Piven Plan, and could reduce Soros’ ability to rent a mob here.

One more reason Obama wants Honduras corruption to stay.

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Obama the O-beta male will stay out of it. Besides all they have to do is stop the three amigos at the airport. If they come with a “security” detail then just taze the gunfighters (not los presidentes), arrest Zelaya, and then let the other 2 presidentes roam the streets at will. Take Zelaya to an undisclosed location and then fly him out of the country again.

There are still real men in Latin America who can do this.

Mojave Mark on July 1, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Sometimes the little guy just has to stand up to the bullies…

Bravo Honduras!!

coldwarrior on July 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM

I don’t know about the rest of you, but Obama is giving me a seriously bad case of the creeps.

-Dave

Dave R. on July 1, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I don’t know about the rest of you, but Obama is giving me a seriously bad case of the creeps craps.

-Dave

Dave R. on July 1, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Needed fixin’. :-)

coldwarrior on July 1, 2009 at 11:12 AM

if they stay strong Obama will abandon Zeleya, the absurdity of his position demands it. Of course Chavez may still push the issue, a war in the region will provide just enough cover to wipe out all of his opponents at home.

rob verdi on July 1, 2009 at 11:13 AM

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Well, finally, a country on Honduras’s side.

Count to 10 on July 1, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Yes looks like President Obama will have to flex military muscle or look really really weak.

If we have to invade a country, I would much rather it be one that has a beach and alcohol. And I mean a real beach with sand AND water not just sand.

LincolntheHun on July 1, 2009 at 11:17 AM

So, is Chairman Obama going to invade Honduras? Are all the leftards going to enlist?

Blake on July 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Needed fixin’. :-)

coldwarrior on July 1, 2009 at 11:12 AM

ROFL!

-Dave

Dave R. on July 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM

My respect for Honduras just went up about 103%.

cruadin on July 1, 2009 at 11:20 AM

So, is Chairman Obama going to invade Honduras? Are all the leftards going to enlist?

Blake on July 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM

That would take the cake! Leftards enlisting all over America to fight to put down Honduras because it is Obama’s War…hence, a good war…and then the levies come in and they are sent to shortage areas…Afghanistan, the DMZ, Fort Polk, and never see Honduras…because they find out they cannot choose where they are going to be assigned, and have that four year commitment to the Army ahead of them.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Are all the leftards going to enlist?

Blake on July 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Surely that was a purely rhetorical question.

When Barry finally blunders into a war who will be the first to tell THE ONE to “go. pound. sand.”?

Yoop on July 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Obama now stands against President Uribe, the most popular anti Communist president in Colombian history (and our staunchest ally in Latin America), and makes common cause with the most hated Communist dictators in Latin American history; Chavez, Ortega, and the Castros.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 10:57 AM


Communist Party USA has spoken
.

Buy Danish on July 1, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Micheletti and Uribe…two Latin American leaders I respect a helluva lot more than our own Pretender-in-Chief.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2009 at 11:27 AM

So, is Chairman Obama going to invade Honduras? Are all the leftards going to enlist?

Blake on July 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM

I can just here Rahm in the Oval Office…

“I got it Barry…. its a win win… we promised to close Gitmo, but they don’t want us to bring the detainees here… so we invade Honduras and set up camps there! Its a winner… I’m tellin ya…”

Romeo13 on July 1, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Communist Party USA has spoken.

Buy Danish on July 1, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Predictably, really.

Count to 10 on July 1, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Communist Party USA has spoken.

Buy Danish on July 1, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Figures. This is the point where Krauthammer’s Latin America rule of thumb should again kick in for Obama; “If you find yourself on the same side of an issue as Chavez, Ortega, the Castros, and the Communist party USA, then you need to reassess your policy.

Won’t happen though.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 11:36 AM

We have some things to learn from the Hondurans.

Our constitution should have some language in it about clipping the presidents wings in an attempt to grab power like this. Obama will try it, pretty sure of that. I think that egotistic jerk will first try to rig the next election, if that doesn’t work and he loses he’ll try something insane and stupid, hopefully costing him his worthless life.

Anyway, I’m not at all in favor of opening a constitutional convention while the liberals and the fascist in chief are in power. We could end up with SO much worse with these socialist idiots in power. Things are bad enough now and getting worse with these cretins behind the wheel, imagine handing them the legal means to make it a million times worse by carving up our rights and making their offices permanent.

W A R. That’s what it would come to.

Spiritk9 on July 1, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Anyway, I’m not at all in favor of opening a constitutional convention while the liberals and the fascist in chief are in power.

Most people…including me…who advocate a call to a constitutional convention believe that it would never happen. The Congress would feel enormous pressure to head one off by passing laws, or even proposed amendments, that would satisfy the call.

On the other hand, the Constitution belongs to the people. If we truly believe in the principals of the founding, we can’t be afraid to see them given effect. Put another way, do we actually believe in the processes in the Constitution, and in democracy?

Ragspierre on July 1, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Things are bad enough now and getting worse with these cretins behind the wheel,
Spiritk9 on July 1, 2009 at 11:38 AM

People really need to see that. If you look at the direction Obama has taken OUR OWN country and then ponder who he stands with in the world, it gives a menacingly clear picture of what America faces. A while back a couple posters and I made a list of things Obama’s done. I expanded on that idea and made a list with documenting clickable links and had my sister post it on a blog (I’m computer illiterate). Feel free to use the document to give the bigger picture to anybody you know.

http://veritasbelt.blogspot.com

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM

The authors of Obama’s ideology were Marx, Engels and Mao, all very intelligent men.

By what standard?

By their abilities to synthesize information and develop new ideas based on arguments that have some logical coherence.

Mao’s “Great Leap Forward”, for an example, was a complete and utter disaster that anyone with an ounce of common sense, would have known was destined for failure. Millions starved because of Mao’s unbridled stupidity. And yes, arrogance is stupidity.

Arrogance is stupid, it is not a lack of intelligence. And intelligence is not a guarantor against arrogance or pride.

I’m not sure we’re talking about the same things. Yeah, Mao’s Great Leap Forward was a disaster. But 60 years later, his revolution still has a firm grip on a country of more than billion people. Stupid doesn’t accomplish that.

Marx and Engels were basically failures in their time. That their idiotic screeds were adopted by other spectacular failures (e.g. Stalin and Mao), doesn’t make them successes.

I guess it depends on the definition of “success”. To me, you can be incredibly stupid and still amass power, which you then use to implement stupid policies. Like Stalin, Mao and Obama.

NoDonkey on July 1, 2009 at 10:52
AM

Yeah, I think we’re talking (mostly) about different things. But I disagree with you that a stupid person can amass and hold power, unless they are a mere puppet being managed very carefully by someone intelligent in the shadows.

ProfessorMiao on July 1, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I don’t know about the rest of you, but Obama is giving me a seriously bad case of the creeps.

-Dave

Dave R. on July 1, 2009 at 11:11 AM

I don’t see him as having done anything out of character yet, based on what I could decipher of him before his election. But I am surprised at how brazen he is about some of it. Like this.

ProfessorMiao on July 1, 2009 at 11:51 AM

The Lover of Crises gets moist at the thought of a destabilized Latin America. It’s Franz Fanon meets Godard.

Moron-in-Chief doesn’t get that AQ is equally thrilled at the thought of a destabilized Latin America. Makes it easier to smuggle in the nuke and level San Antonio or El Paso.

EMD on July 1, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Honduras’ interim leader warned that the only way his predecessor will return to office is through a foreign invasion, setting up a dramatic showdown with the ousted president who is preparing to come home accompanied by world leaders.

People keep talking about Obama being “tested”. Bull. He couldn’t give less of a crap about anything that happened outside of this country until now.

This is his first real test. Does he think he can control the US military enough to get them to violate the Constitution of a peaceful foreign democracy and help him install a “benevolent” dictator?

I don’t think he has the balls.

logis on July 1, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Michelle has the balls.

Wine_N_Dine on July 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Wine_N_Dine on July 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM

In a little jar on her vanity?

coldwarrior on July 1, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Use their mighty weight to get to the bottom of things.

Bhutto was killed in Dec 07. Today, eighteen months later the UN announces an investigation. They said the investigation will take six months and then the investigators will be given six months to write their report. We’ll all get the skinny on Bhutto, thanks to the UN, on New Years Day 2011.

Thank goodness our own congress works in munch the same way. If not we would all be whitewashing government fences.

Limerick on July 1, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Maybe they’ll send in a bunch of Blue Helmets. Like the “peacekeepers” in Bosnia that would either cut and run or get massacred by the Serbs under Milosevic, who died before he could get convicted by the World Court.

The problem with Obama’s support for Zelaya and his pushing for a U.N. resolution is that it gives Zelaya the appearance of legitimacy, and pits “world opinion” against Honduras in what should have been Honduras taking care of itself and enforcing its own laws.

Oh, by the way, the Governor of Virginia is limited by law to one term. If Tim Kaine runs for re-election, will Hugo Chavez invade Richmond?

Steve Z on July 1, 2009 at 12:03 PM

And our Congress critters are on break. I wonder if any of them would have the gumption to make some sort of resolution for the American people, standing AGAINST Obama, UN, and every other communist who sides with Zelaya.

Just like with Iran, I hate it that America seems to be standing on the wrong side because of our idiot-in-chief.

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Honduras had legitimate reason to remove Zelaya from office, even if arguably they used illegitimate means to do so

Illegitimate? How so?

Seems the legislature and Supreme Court found that Zelaya had broken the laws of their constitution, getting ballots from Chavez, breaking into an armory, then illegally distributing unauthorized ballots – all to extend his single constitutional term of office a la Chavez.

And Charles Krauthamer on the “coup”.

WSJ version of the facts.

Looks like plain law enforcement to me.

(With a little media silencing.)

fred5678 on July 1, 2009 at 12:08 PM

So, is Chairman Obama going to invade Honduras? Are all the leftards going to enlist?

Blake on July 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM

My passport is current. My guns are cleaned and oiled. If the Hondurans want to send a couple of airplanes up here, I’d be pleased and proud to join on.

guntotinglibertarian on July 1, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Mr. Obama has dug a little hole for himself being aligned with Chavez and the return of Zelaya to power. If the MSM could just take their starstruck eyes off of Michael Jackson for a minute and actually REPORT this news to the American people they might just begin to sit up and take notice that something is wrong with this picture. So far this morning, all I’ve heard about is MJ.
Rome burns.

Miss Molly on July 1, 2009 at 12:14 PM

Congress is the body which gives itself all the perks in the world, they aren’t about to subject themselves to the will of the people.

We would need the military, or a million armed citizens choking the halls of Congress and the D.C. mall, to get it done. Thinking about it and the way things are heading, you know it might just come to that.

Bishop on July 1, 2009 at 10:40 AM

I think it will come to that Bishop. I don’t think we can avoid it at this point… especially with Stuart Smalley in the senate.

Unlike Israel, Honduras has the balls to utter a resounding “up yours” to Obama administration.

Sigh.

Aristotle on July 1, 2009 at 10:43 AM

This bit of news has become a shining ray of light in my day. I’m bitter perhaps… but I’m clinging to it.

The world is truly upside down when Honduras becomes a better defender of freedom than the president of the US. Roberto Micheletti certainly has a pair. I wish we had him, but we would do the people of Honduras a disfavor.

Chaz706 on July 1, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Zelaya from office, even if arguably they used illegitimate means to do so. Zelaya repeatedly violated the constitution of Honduras, first by attempting to hold the referendum, and second by illegally firing the chief of the Army, who reports to both the president and the legislature in Honduras.

So Ed’s arguing that Zelaya’s impeachment was illegitimate even if it was legitimate? Way to straddle the fence there, Ed.

I’ve noticed that Ed hasn’t yet made a substantive case that it’s “illegitimate” yet continues to make the claim. Sad.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2009 at 12:28 PM

I don’t see him as having done anything out of character yet, based on what I could decipher of him before his election. But I am surprised at how brazen he is about some of it. Like this.

ProfessorMiao on July 1, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Yeah, but his constant knee jerk to ideological goals will keep him constantly painted into a corner. Now he has to finesse his way out of this mess. He’ll continue to self destruct as offered opportunity to do so.

a capella on July 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM

Yeah, but his constant knee jerk to ideological goals will keep him constantly painted into a corner. Now he has to finesse his way out of this mess. He’ll continue to self destruct as offered opportunity to do so.

a capella on July 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The sooner the better!

ProfessorMiao on July 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Pure civil disobedience. Government relies on our passive compliance. If we decline to comply, especially those of us who are productive, what will they do?

Ragspierre on July 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Declare your independence this Independence Day.
Starve the Beast!
http://tinyurl.com/m3rsux

james23 on July 1, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Yeah, but his constant knee jerk to ideological goals will keep him constantly painted into a corner. Now he has to finesse his way out of this mess. He’ll continue to self destruct as offered opportunity to do so.

a capella on July 1, 2009 at 12:32 PM

I don’t know about that. In theory, yes, but the people I’ve talked to about this had no idea that the “coup” was actually averted. If the mainstream media isn’t reporting it, (or if people aren’t paying attention), Obama can simply climb up over the corner and continue on his way.

Perhaps history books will treat this issue fairly, but then it will be too late.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Hopefully the Hondurans will tell Ogabe and Shrillary to go f*ck themselves.

Jaibones on July 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Not saying that Fat Boy Hugo couldn’t make trouble, but a protracted war would see the end of his regime.

Bishop on July 1, 2009 at 10:51 AM

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A quick blatant loss would do the same. And the competency of the Honduras army was demonstrated in the efficiency of the removal of Zelaya.

darktood on July 1, 2009 at 12:41 PM

“Honduras’ interim leader warned that the only way his predecessor will return to office is through a foreign invasion, setting up a dramatic showdown with the ousted president who is preparing to come home accompanied by world leaders.”

I’m all for Honduras treating “accompanying world leaders’ as spies and saboteurs. Line ‘em up and shoot ‘em.

Dusty on July 1, 2009 at 12:46 PM

All these leftists proclaim they want peace, but they certainly are willing to set the world on fire if it will help their aims, or to do so in coming to the aid of a fellow leftist.

I don’t care if it’s considered brainwashing… I’m teaching my kids to never ever ever trust a Marxist of any stripe.

Chaz706 on July 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Dusty on July 1, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Nice little formality with diplomatic status…the “host” nation, in this case, Honduras, has to accept the credentials of the “diplomats” before diplomatic status pertains. They can be detained until released to a neutral party or kept until the end of “hostilities.” As for “world leaders,” that is purely customary under international law, and they can’t normally be held, unless Honduras wishes to declare a state of war, then they can be detained until released to a neutral party at some point.

It has happened before over the past century.

coldwarrior on July 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM

!Viva Honduras¡

RobertInLexington on July 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Arrest the other two as well. Correa has been illegally supporting the revolutionary FARC in Columbia. Kirchner has been trying to set up a family dictatorship in Argentina.

burt on July 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Marxist leanings from Papa? This wasn’t a violent coup, that’s a myth. They weren’t going to get rid of elections either.

V15J on July 1, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Chaz706 on July 1, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Have your children read, or read them, “Animal Farm” by George Orwell. It was a one of the first books I ever read and is the most brilliant Trotskyist condemnation of Stalinism ever penned. That allegory continues to work today against all forms of leftism.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM

If we decline to comply, especially those of us who are productive, what will they do?

Ragspierre on July 1, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Make you an offer you can’t refuse.

Tony Soprano on July 1, 2009 at 1:12 PM

[coldwarrior on July 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM]

Yeah, I know. I just think that, in this case, rhetoric that makes others sit up and reconsider — as employed by Fat Boy, Dinnerjacket, I’m so Ronery, et al — ought to be used.

This human shields for propaganda purposes stuff works well when these “world leaders” don’t have to worry about who they are dealing with when they play these games. They ought to be given something to worry about.

Dusty on July 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Have your children read, or read them, “Animal Farm” by George Orwell. It was a one of the first books I ever read and is the most brilliant Trotskyist condemnation of Stalinism ever penned. That allegory continues to work today against all forms of leftism.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM

I’m 23 and trying to get married, so I don’t have children… but that’s going on the required reading list… if it wasn’t already! Orwell’s already required reading I think. I’m thinking more along the lines of Adam Smith (wealth of nations), John Adams (the federalist papers), Thomas Jefferson, Et Al.

Start first with the ‘positive’ ideas (Constitutionalism, Rule of Law, Market Economics, Federalism, etc.) before telling them about the ‘negative’ ideas (Statism of all kinds[Facism and Communism, among others], government control, Marxism, etc). Why? If they know the good they won’t become hopeless when they see the evil around them (and it will be around them I fear).

All of this will require homeschooling, but to me my children will be the second highest priority in my life (next to my Wife). Homeschooling will be a small sacrifice to make considering the cost of doing otherwise (namely the government stealing the ideology and youth of my children).

My question is when to introduce ‘Animal Farm’ to my kids. I’m thinking Age 10 is about right, but the earlier the better. I don’t want it to go over their head though!

Chaz706 on July 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Chaz706 on July 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM

I was 12 when I first read Animal Farm. It was for my 7th grade English class.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 1:24 PM

The whole world is lining up against the rule of law in Honduras. The lame stream media is 1000% behind Zelaya’s coup, as they love anything that is anti-American and takes away individual liberty and the rule of law. So-called conservative bloggers are still calling Honduras’ defense of their Constitution a “coup”. The international financial mechanisms are about to try and grind Honduras into the ground, because of Honduras’ defense against an attempted coup, which, in the greatest Orwellian tradition the defense is being called a “coup”, itself.

I have never seen a scarier set of signs in my life. This is really ugly.

The EU supports the Honduran coup of Zelaya because it is looking to take over the sovereignty of all its member states, and finds some common cause with Zelaya in brushing aside bothersome law. The Precedent and his junta in Washington are looking to kill the US and don’t want our pesky Constitution to get in their way. Latin and South America are collections of insane leftist basket-cases, trying to spread their disease to Honduras, allied with the enemies of the arab/persian/muslim world that the US is now trying to be on the same side with …

There will be billions dead when this is over. The left is on the march in a big way and they are the most bloodthirsty lunatics this Earth has ever seen.

progressoverpeace on July 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I was 12 when I first read Animal Farm. It was for my 7th grade English class.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 1:24 PM

I was the same age myself. I also read 1984 just for kicks.

I’ll admit. Animal Farm was a nice read. 1984 scared me to death. It still does mostly for the impressions it put on me when I read it at that age. Maybe because I realized that poor Winston, unlike myself, knew nothing of what Capitalism, Liberty, and limited government, and that mystified me at first. Probably at the end, when poor Winston finally cracks and loves the system (promptly before it kills him) that I realized that he surrendered because he didn’t know about the things we hold dear (and often take for granted). That’s what scared me I think. It still does.

I won’t let my children be raised in a future where they don’t know the alternative to a God-like state. I may not have the ability to fight such a state (which is upon us even now) but I won’t let my Children grow up in blindness.

Chaz706 on July 1, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Trying to get back on topic perhaps…

HOLD THE LINE HONDURAS!

True Americans stand with you! All of freedom loving Humanity stands with you! Your honored Ancestors would be proud of the actions you are taking to preserve your sacred liberty! The leaders of the World may stand against you. The Gates of Hell may be gaping after you. But the God of Liberty stands with you! He will not forsake you, even if (God Forbid) we might.

The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Liberty!

Chaz706 on July 1, 2009 at 1:34 PM

progressoverpeace on July 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM

What “conservative” bloggers are calling it a coup? The past 9 months or so have made me too disgusted to even look at a lot of “conservative” sites.

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 1:39 PM

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I was talking about the bloggers, here. I know that they’re not really conservative, which is why the “so-called” was in there.

From what I have seen of the right side of the blogosphere, a decent number are describing the situation accurately, but that correct description doesn’t extend anywhere past that small section.

progressoverpeace on July 1, 2009 at 1:58 PM

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Even Drudge is still calling it a coup, though he called it a “coup” once. After that one time, he’s back to using the word without the quotes.

progressoverpeace on July 1, 2009 at 2:16 PM

This is really a test of how well Obama can define the terms & whether his media can out-shout the truth.

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Good summation of Honduran Crisis -
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32508

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM

It’s bigger than just that (which is why it’s so scary). We have the EU, the UN, the World Bank, the OAS, all of the nations (that I have heard from), the world media … all against the few sane people left in this world.

If they can sell this, and force Honduras to accept back Zelaya, who tried to affect a coup, while claiming that those defending the Honduran Constitution carried out a coup, then all bets are off.

progressoverpeace on July 1, 2009 at 2:28 PM

This is really a test of how well Obama can define the terms & whether his media can out-shout the truth.

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM

I don’t watch much TV but based on the fact that, once again, Fox News has an Associated Press article on the subject on their web site, I’d guess Castro/Chaves/Ortega and Obama are winning the war against the truth. I wonder what percentage of American’s are aware of what really happened there. I’d guess it’s less than 1 in 10.

Rush Limbaugh mentioned it yesterday but even for him it seems to be a low priority. I don’t think he’s mentioned it at all yet today and it’s almost over.

FloatingRock on July 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I love your take on this Ed. It’s amazing to me what kind of chaos that Pres. Obama has generated having been in office such a short time and as far as activities reallly only thrown the US’s weight around verbally.

I was born in 1969 and I’ve read about an unstable world but as far as living it and understanding it more than historical, well one or two uprisings world wide each decade hasn’t effect my life but barely. Even with 9/11 and the horribleness of that event, in all honesty it didn’t affect me other than longer lines at the airport. The ones who were really affected were family members of the victims or New Yorkers. In the short 6 months this man has been in office I’m feel a little uneasy that I’ll get to experience a little of what it was like for my grandparents and great-grandparents and the world THEY lived in with all its instability. Even with the UN which was created to avoid that sort of thing it is an inept institution. Having a war in South American or more precisely our on Hemisphere wasn’t even a thought or imaginable to me. Even if this doesn’t generate that situation, Pres. Obama’s support of tyrants set a very bad, bad precedent for future activities.

Yes, I’m definitely unease about what can happen in 4 years. How long did it take for things to fall a part after the Treaty of Versailles? Just saying.

Sultry Beauty on July 1, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Good for Honduras! This is a spot of good news, badly needed since the cap-and-trade passage and Franken being Senator has left me quite sour.

Mutnodjmet on July 1, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Has anyone noticed that the Obama Administration is consistantly on the WRONG side, supporting Palestinian Terrorists, Iranian Dictators and now a Marxist who violated the Honduran Constitution and was basically impeached by the Honduran Legislature and Courts.
There IS a reason Obama supports Zelaya and also a reason why deposing a Marxist criminal makes Obama so nervous….FEAR. Obama is quite nervous that his National Socialist agenda and constitutional violations might lead to Obama being deposed….and Obama has a good reason to be afraid, the American People are starting to see through Obama and realize Obama wants to be a tin-horned dictator…even Democrats are tiring of Obama’s quest for power.

nelsonknows on July 1, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Is Fox giving accurate information on the air?

justincase on July 1, 2009 at 2:45 PM

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