TNR: Quit fetishizing the executive and focus on democracy

posted at 4:35 pm on June 30, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The New Republic splits from the Obama administration and scolds Barack Obama over his response to the removal of Manuel Zelaya in Honduras.  Francisco Toro accuses Obama of “fetishizing” the presidency and ignoring the facts on the ground.  The military may have conducted a coup, but it did so at the unanimous behest of the legislature and the Honduran Supreme Court — and for good reason (h/t HA reader Desmond L):

Sunday’s coup in Honduras has been portrayed as a throwback to the bad old days when Latin American armies got drafted in as the ultimate umpires of political conflict. But in arresting president Manuel Zelaya in his pajamas and putting him on the first plane out of the country, Honduras’s generals were acting out of fear of a genuine and growing threat to Latin Democracy: the looming prospect of unchecked, hyper-empowered executive power held for life by a single, charismatic individual.

Seen in context, Sunday’s military powerplay was different in important ways from the traditional Latin American putsch. The generals move came at the unanimous–yes unanimous–behest of a congress outraged by Zelaya’s not-particularly-subtle attempts to extend his hold on power indefinitely. It followed a series of clearly unconstitutional moves on Zelaya’s part, including his attempt to unilaterally remove the chief of the army, which, according to Honduras’s Constitution, can only be done by a congressional super-majority.

And congress’s request had been seconded by the nation’s Supreme Court, which is sworn to uphold a constitution that explicitly makes the act of “inciting, promoting or backing the continuation in power or re-election of the President of the Republic” punishable with the loss of Honduran citizenship.

In one sense, this is why the argument over coup/non-coup misses the point.  The proper process for removing a head of state can’t include having the army dump him outside the border, which eliminates any due process.  That’s a coup, but that doesn’t mean that the Honduras legislature and the courts were wrong to remove Zelaya from power.

A president acting in an unconstitutional manner should no longer have access to that power.  The proper role of the legislature is to impeach such an executive.  Their unanimous request to the military certainly qualifies as a de facto impeachment, even if the military went too far in expelling Zelaya from Honduras.  Criticizing the manner in which Zelaya was removed is certainly reasonable, but not the power of the Honduran legislature to remove him at all.  In any liberal democracy, the executive must have its power checked by the courts and the legislature; if not, then the executive turns into Hugo Chavez and eventually Fidel Castro.

Barack Obama gave a knee-jerk reaction without bothering to account for the facts on the ground.  Moreover, Obama presumed to know the legality of the Honduran legislature’s action better than the Hondurans, which is yet another example of Yankee arrogance in the region.  While Obama continues to waffle and avoid the question of whether he will recognize Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the president of Iran after a baldly rigged election, Obama has quickly intervened to reject the Honduran legislature’s action and insist that the US dictate who the Honduran president should be.

Perhaps Obama will rethink his “interference” in Honduran affairs, as TNR suggests.  I wouldn’t hold my breath, however.

Update: The Miami Herald all but calls Obama and Hillary Clinton “johnny-come-latelies” to the defense of democracy in Honduras.  Where was their outrage over Zelaya’s actions that led to his removal?


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Dictators stand together

faraway on June 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

BHO = epic failure

moonbatkiller on June 30, 2009 at 4:38 PM

This should haunt this administration for the rest of the term or till he steps down. It clearly shows to the entire world what a douche Obama and friends are…

javamartini on June 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Seems like all of Latin America backs Zelaya. Even the other democracies like Brazil. Is anyone down there on the side of reason?

ThePrez on June 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

The Miami Herald all but calls Obama and Hillary Clinton “johnny-come-latelies” to the defense of democracy in Honduras.

Most Johnny-come-latelies aren’t dragged kicking and screaming to a change of heart.

Vashta.Nerada on June 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Obambi to dictators: “I got your back, baby.”

Obabmi to the people of Iran: “Up yours.”

johnnybgood on June 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Ogabe reminded the Hondurans that their Constitution is also a “living breathing document” to be nuanced at will by the American President.

That and Honduras is now subject to U.S. trade penalties while Iran is being given a seat of honor at the American table.

Bishop on June 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Pay close attention. This is soon to be coming to a country near you, but without the upholding of the law by the Congress and the Supreme Court.

PappaMac on June 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

I’m surprised to see an analysis like this in The New Republic.

The situation is not as clear cut as some on either side would argue. With that said though, the Honduran military, Legislature and Judiciary took measures they deemed appropriate at the time to secure their own Constitutional government. I have more respect for that than for a bullying, overreaching Executive trying to establish a lifetime hold on power.

cruadin on June 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

There are a LARGE amount of Precedents for sending a Ruler into Exile in another country. Just becasuse we do not do that here, does not mean that it was not a proper solution.

The Honduran Const seems to say that if you try to stay in Office too long, or even try to change that rule, then you IMMEDIATLY loose your Office, and Citizenship. It does not say you need be Impeached… it says Immediatly. Thus, the Military was just enforcing their Constitution (which, in most countries, they VOW to do).

My understanding was that he was given a choice, Arrest or Resign and be Exiled.

They have a letter of resignation, which he says he did not sign.

IMO this was NOT a coup. The Military did not take power, they were just the enforcment arm for the Courts.

Romeo13 on June 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM

The in-flight magazine of Air Force One now switched to Jet.

Caper29 on June 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM

It might be time to send BO to Tool Academy…

yubley on June 30, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Apparently Obama has no true feelings for law. It appears that instead he believes himself a member of an exclusive and elite club (world leaders). Any disruption of that club,for whatever reason, is to be resisted. Change cannot be tolerated for it upsets his sense of well being. Rattles his confidence. Local laws be damned.

oldernwiser on June 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Update: The Miami Herald all but calls Obama and Hillary Clinton “johnny-come-latelies” to the defense of democracy in Honduras. Where was their outrage over Zelaya’s actions that led to his removal?
Their outrage is spent in condemning America for her sins of the past. Neither one of them care to be boggled down with current events.

fourdeucer on June 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

No one has determined whether President Zelaya’s removal to Coasta Rica was at his request. Given his travel to the United Nations and elsewhere, his removal to Coasta Rica has made things more difficult for the Hondorus Congress and the Hondorus Supreme Court. So, again, it is not a foregone conclusion that this was a coup, but rather, a lawful removal of a lawfully deposed President.

Remember, if Nixon was impeached and refused to leave office, the Supreme Court would likely have authority to issue an order to physically remove him. And the United States Military could not lawfully ignore this order by the Supreme Court.

If Nixon was forcfully removed, an exile to some other country would not have been inconceivable. This is why President Ford’s pardon was such a wise decision. It was in no one’s best interest to have these constitutional questions answers.

RedSoxNation on June 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

As Obama remembers it, the US Constitution took an oath to support him. He thought it was the same in Honduras… No?

RBMN on June 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

In one sense, this is why the argument over coup/non-coup misses the point. The proper process for removing a head of state can’t include having the army dump him outside the border, which eliminates any due process. That’s a coup, but that doesn’t mean that the Honduras legislature and the courts were wrong to remove Zelaya from power.

Ed, isn’t that a pretty fine hair to split? If punishment involves loss of citizenship, why were they off limits in depositing him out of the country? As you say, de facto impeachment had already happened at the request of Congress and the SC..so what due process should he have received?

a capella on June 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Do we know what the Honduran constitution provides vis a vis the legislature’s powers to impeach the executive? Was that process followed? It appears to me that both sides were probably acting extra-constitutionally. That is why they are referred to as banana republics.

tommylotto on June 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

The proper process for removing a head of state can’t include having the army dump him outside the border, which eliminates any due process. That’s a coup, but that doesn’t mean that the Honduras legislature and the courts were wrong to remove Zelaya from power.

This is wrong. If our SCOTUS decided that The Precedent is not a natural-born American (to your horror, no doubt) and declared that he is ineligible to serve as President, then, if the idiot messiah refused to leave office, the first move would HAVE to be from our military, in that the guy with the nuclear football would have to keep it away from the President.

Your fascination with “due process” seems to be odd, at best, and ignores the fact that we have police who physically ARREST people, without any “due process” when they are in the act of committing a crime.

Zelaya was actively committing crimes as he lost ruling after ruling (such as when he broke into the place where the ballots were being kept, in order to physically distribute them, himself, in opposition to the Court’s ruling).

You seem determined to prove that your stance that this was a “coup” was correct. It was not. Give it up, already. Zelaya even lost his Honduran citizenship just by pushing the referendum to extend his chance to stay as President and he chose to go to Costa Rica.

Your whole “coup” theory is a loser. Give it up and move on. Please.

progressoverpeace on June 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Heh. I can just see this happening to Chicago Jesus. One night he’s sleeping in his Superman jammies and the next? Plucked from the fluffy bed and flown via commercial air in the middle of the night and dumped back into Hyde Park, Chicago with his duffel bag, pack of cigarettes and an ACORN tee shirt.

/one can dream.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM

The sad thing is: Americans were warned (and they would not listen or did not care) before voting in 2008 that BHO is an ultra-leftist ideologue and demagogue. Apparently our fellow citizens wanted to feel good once again to be an American because the President (if BHO) would be ‘cool.’

Deplorable indeed.

ConScribe on June 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

The proper process for removing a head of state can’t include having the army dump him outside the border, which eliminates any due process.

Dumping him outside the country is irrelevant. It would make no difference if he were held under house arrest, or simply barred from government property. He was removed from office, which is the bottom line. The due process in our impeachments comes down to congressional votes. Zeyala got one and lost unanimously.

Pablo on June 30, 2009 at 4:52 PM

BO does not like to hear of these uprisings where thugs are removed from power…

d1carter on June 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Let’s see,

Obama in effect stood by the mullahocracy in Iran, knowing the elections were rigged, then botched.

Obama in effect stands with a Hugo Chavez-like stooge in his attempted power grab.

I don’t think Obama’s reaction was a “knee-jerk” at all.

catmman on June 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Strange (not really) that he lacked that spine when dealing with Iran.

Chump-in-Chief

jdkchem on June 30, 2009 at 4:54 PM

This is not the foreign policy I thought I knew.

SouthernGent on June 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM

must have its power checked by the courts and the legislature; if not, then the executive turns into Hugo Chavez and eventually Fidel Castro.

Hugo is just a young Fidel.

Johan Klaus on June 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Heh. I can just see this happening to Chicago Jesus. One night he’s sleeping in his Superman jammies and the next? Plucked from the fluffy bed and flown via commercial air in the middle of the night and dumped back into Hyde Park, Chicago with his duffel bag, pack of cigarettes and an ACORN tee shirt.

/one can dream.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM

That would be coup-ul!

WashJeff on June 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM

“A president acting in an unconstitutional manner should no longer have access to that power.”

…….. something to remember.

Seven Percent Solution on June 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM

SouthernGent on June 30, 2009 at 4:55 PM

No, but you knew it was the one we were going to get.

PappaMac on June 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM

progressoverpeace on June 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM

The Captain has begun to see the light!

ConScribe on June 30, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Ed,

Tell me what the proper procedure would be, here, if The Precedent were ruled not natural-born and, therefore, ineligible to hold The Presidency, but refused to leave the White House?

Hint: It would not be impeachment, since he would not be President, just someone occupying the President’s residence.

progressoverpeace on June 30, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Can we have the address for the Honduran Army,we may have
a job for them here very shortly.

easyone on June 30, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Moreover, Obama presumed to know the legality of the Honduran legislature’s action better than the Hondurans, which is yet another example of Yankee arrogance in the region.

Interesting, I thought Obambi was going to ensure US arrogance was a thing of the past when it comes to future foreign policies!

So which is it Obambi, smart power, soft power, arrogant, not arrogant…I’m so confused!

THE ONE is obviously confused too and while I knew Obambi was an emtpy suit and lacked executive experience in every way even I’m suprised at just how inexperienced he is…THE ONE don’t know up from down or shiite from shineola!

Liberty or Death on June 30, 2009 at 5:03 PM

When in doubt, Obama will always side with the authoritative totalitarian.

jukin on June 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM

In one sense, this is why the argument over coup/non-coup misses the point. The proper process for removing a head of state can’t include having the army dump him outside the border, which eliminates any due process. That’s a coup, but that doesn’t mean that the Honduras legislature and the courts were wrong to remove Zelaya from power.

I think you’re looking at this through an US legal prism, Ed. I don’t know the specifics of Honduran law, but it seems to me that the provision stripping Zelaya of citizenship for his actions would pretty much cover the military exiling him to Costa Rica, seeing as they were acting at the order of their SC. Seen this way, there isn’t any realistic way this action could be called a coup, especially since it follows along with the Honduran SC rulings. Think of it this way, Ed: the military didn’t beat him, publicly humiliate him, or execute him. They merely followed a lawful order issued them by their civilian leaders to get him out of there before irreversible damage could be done.

BillH on June 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

Is it possible that Obama is hearing footsteps?

rplat on June 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

I don’t understand. Honduras is such a little country…

PappaMac on June 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM

“Barack Obama gave a knee-jerk reaction without bothering to account for the facts on the ground.”

Or, you could say more directly that Obama is a complete moron that has no business running a kool-aid stand, much less being the president of the US.

echosyst on June 30, 2009 at 5:07 PM

Barack Obama gave a knee-jerk reaction without bothering to account for the facts on the ground.

Well it’s not like he hasn’t done this before. Since when have “Facts” bothered Barry?

GarandFan on June 30, 2009 at 5:08 PM

Moreover, Obama presumed to know the legality of the Honduran legislature’s action better than the Hondurans, which is yet another example of Yankee arrogance in the region.

He didn’t presume to know the legality. He doesn’t care about the legality. Just look at how he has handled the auto companies, bankruptcy, and the IG firing. He has a desired outcome in mind, to hell with the legality.

Daggett on June 30, 2009 at 5:08 PM

He had “no one on the ground” to see what Iranian cell phones were clearly showing, so… he had no comment.

In Honduras the government their acted correctly and constitutionally so.. he backs the dictator wannabe.

bho is a disaster.

Mojave Mark on June 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Do we know what the Honduran constitution provides vis a vis the legislature’s powers to impeach the executive? Was that process followed? It appears to me that both sides were probably acting extra-constitutionally. That is why they are referred to as banana republics.

tommylotto on June 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I read some of this in the Honduran Consitution last night…

If I got it then there are two dynamics at work.

Their House brings articles of Impeachmnet, and then he is tried by their Supreme Court.

However, under one article, if he tries to run for a second term in Office, or try to even change that part of the Constitution, he looses his Office immediatly. It does not mention impechment… just that he is no longer in power.

Now, under that, it seems that the Supremes ordered the Army to arrest him, as he had given up power by trying to hold a referendum so he could stay in power.

Not a well thought out provision of their constitution, as it supposes some automatic process, instead of descibing a process…

Romeo13 on June 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Update: The Miami Herald all but calls Obama and Hillary Clinton “johnny-come-latelies” to the defense of democracy in Honduras. Where was their outrage over Zelaya’s actions that led to his removal?

Their outrage is spent in condemning America for her sins of the past. Neither one of them care to be boggled down with current events.

fourdeucer on June 30, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Here’s another johnny-come-lately for you…

ConScribe on June 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM

Can we have the address for the Honduran Army,we may have
a job for them here very shortly.

easyone on June 30, 2009 at 5:02 PM

While you’re at it, can we have their congress and supreme court, too?

Daggett on June 30, 2009 at 5:10 PM


While Obama continues to waffle and avoid the question of whether he will recognize Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the president of Iran after a baldly rigged election,

Yes. This is the policy move we need to watch.

Obama wants to “engage” the Iranian government, no matter te blood on their hands.

Obama, besides being totally corrupt, is also monstrously amoral.

What a frakking disaster for America and the free world.

pseudonominus on June 30, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Dear General Petraeus,

Help us, PLEASE!

Signed,

America

Wyznowski on June 30, 2009 at 5:11 PM

This is far beyond incompetence.

This is Affirmative Action Willful Stupidity, With Consequences.

with Honduras and this situation, his behavior and Dumb-ness is just pathetic; if the North Korean Situation goes south, real people will end up really dead

Janos Hunyadi on June 30, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Heh. I can just see this happening to Chicago Jesus. One night he’s sleeping in his Superman jammies and the next? Plucked from the fluffy bed and flown via commercial air in the middle of the night and dumped back into Hyde Park, Chicago with his duffel bag, pack of cigarettes and an ACORN tee shirt somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean at 13,000′ ASL.

/one can dream.

Key West Reader on June 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM

FIFY

pseudonominus on June 30, 2009 at 5:13 PM

And the real Key indicator that the Hondurans did the Right thing?

The UN condemned them…

And anything the UN says, is invariably wrong.

Romeo13 on June 30, 2009 at 5:16 PM

Now, under that, it seems that the Supremes ordered the Army to arrest him, as he had given up power by trying to hold a referendum so he could stay in power.

Not a well thought out provision of their constitution, as it supposes some automatic process, instead of descibing a process…

Romeo13 on June 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM

That’s something that the people of Honduras, their courts, and their political entities needs to take up. As it appears, their law was followed. Whether or not that law is flawed isn’t something for the Jug-Eared Marxist to decide.

BillH on June 30, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Can we have the address for the Honduran Army,we may have
a job for them here very shortly.

easyone on June 30, 2009 at 5:02 PM

We can call it the Zelaya Option.

Vashta.Nerada on June 30, 2009 at 5:19 PM

And the real Key indicator that the Hondurans did the Right thing?

The UN condemned them…

And anything the UN says, is invariably wrong.

Romeo13 on June 30, 2009 at 5:16 PM

They condemned Hondurans and not Israel? Trying something new, I guess.

Daggett on June 30, 2009 at 5:20 PM

I have assumed from the beginning that legislature, court and military acted in this manner to prevent the president’s cronies (Chavez among them) from using any impeachment proceedings to foment a revolution.

Either a fight for impeachment or a striking down of an illegal referendum for allowing the president a second term (assuming it had passed) could have been used as an excuse to take down the current government.

29Victor on June 30, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Zelaya Coup Thwarted, Obama Sides With Coup Leader

Christien on June 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Barack Obama gave a knee-jerk reaction without bothering to account for the facts on the ground.

Mao Obmama believes in an all powerful executive, not in constitutions, nor liberty, nor legislatures unless they do whatever he wants, nor in courts unless they do whatever he wants, nor in a military unless they do whatever he wants.

The Miami Herald all but calls Obama and Hillary Clinton “johnny-come-latelies” to the defense of democracy in Honduras. Where was their outrage over Zelaya’s actions that led to his removal?

Mao Obmama was outraged that his kindred spirit Zelaya was removed.

MB4 on June 30, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Obama- dictator in training wheels

I think he’s watching this to see how Americans react- for future reference.

Monica on June 30, 2009 at 5:42 PM

Not a well thought out provision of their constitution, as it supposes some automatic process, instead of descibing a process…

Romeo13 on June 30, 2009 at 5:09 PM

I have not read the Honduran constitution, but isn’t it likely that their supreme court get to make the determination as to whether the president in fact attempted re-election (or other circumvention of the constitutional term limit provision) and that that court procedure is the due process?

ConScribe on June 30, 2009 at 5:42 PM

He’s already starting the process here:
H.J. Res 5

Yes, its been introduced before, by the same dude, but I’ve not had a reason to fear it would actually come to pass before now.

I would hope our reps would side with the people should this situation ever arrise here, but I think “We the people” are on our own.

anj413 on June 30, 2009 at 5:47 PM

this is why the argument over coup/non-coup misses the point. The proper process for removing a head of state can’t include having the army dump him outside the border

Says you….

FloatingRock on June 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

FloatingRock on June 30, 2009 at 5:50 PM

We should just be happy that Ed didn’t try to claim that the Hondurans violated posse comitatus.

That’s okay, the Spanish courts will indict and try all the Hondurans they feel violated Galactic Law.

progressoverpeace on June 30, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Key West Reader on June 30, 2009 at 4:51 PM

From your mouth to God’s ear!

katy the mean old lady on June 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM

If you ever needed evidence that Obama should never have been let near the oval office, this completes the mosaic we saw begin over a year ago with Georgia, when their democratic regime came under assault from Russia. Obama did not come out in support of democracy then, not until he took a lesson from McCain. The lesson didn’t stick. Two weeks ago, as Iranians were being brutalized and murdered in the streets by a regime that had just engaged in massive vote fraud, Obama sat silent and then, despicably, played down the importance of the revolt. Now, when a country acts to preserve its laws and Constitution against an extra-Constitutional assault from a rabid socialist following the Chavez model, Obama has completely embraced moral equivalence and is unable to discriminate friend from foe.

This is bad – and holds the potential to get much, much worse. The last president that even approached this level of dysfunction was James Earl Carter, and he gave the world the Iranian theocracy. I do not know what Obama’s legacy will be, but I fully expect it to be far worse.

Wolf Howling on June 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

By this time everyone knows the sequence of events on the ground and Honduras’s constitution. In fact Obama/Clinton admit as much with comments indicating that they have been involved for more than a week seeking a solution.

Knowing that as we do, the laws broken etc why are Obama/Clinton still supporting Zelaya and his attempted installation of Chavez lite.

The only sane response has to be WTF!

patrick neid on June 30, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Can we have the address for the Honduran Army,we may have
a job for them here very shortly.

easyone on June 30, 2009 at 5:02 PM

+100

bill30097 on June 30, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Zelaya down

Obama to go

bill30097 on June 30, 2009 at 9:42 PM

Here’s a little definition I lifted from Wikipedia:

Typically, a coup d’état uses the extant government’s power to assume political control of the country. In Coup d’État: A Practical Handbook, military historian Edward Luttwak says: “A coup consists of the infiltration of a small, but critical, segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder”, thus, armed force (either military or paramilitary) is not a defining feature of a coup d’État.

So, this ain’t no coup. The legislative and judicial branches asked the military, which is the only organization capable of doing the job, to remove Zelaya. The reason was his defiance of Honduran constitutional provisions; the constitution required his removal for violating those provisions. This means there was a legal basis for the action under Honduran law. It also means that Messiah & Co. failed to read the applicable laws of Honduras before shooting off their mouths. Of course, they don’t have much use for the US Constitution, so I can imagine how little regard they have for a foreign one…

n0doz on July 1, 2009 at 2:00 AM

President Alvaro Uribe of Colombia stands with democracy and against Zelaya and Chavez!!!!

Says the principal of non-intervention is the one that needs to guide the actions of all nations with regards to the Honduran situation. Basically says that this is a Honduran internal matter and all outside actors need to butt out

El presidente de Colombia, Álvaro Uribe, defendió este martes el principio de la “no intervención” externa ante la crisis política en Honduras.

“El respeto a la no intervención debe ser a todas las horas, frente a todos los casos, no puede ser sesgado, no puede ser en este caso no intervención, en este caso sí intervención”, dijo Uribe a la prensa tras un discurso en el Centro Woodrow Wilson, un instituto de estudios.

http://www.laprensahn.com/index.php/Ediciones/2009/07/01/Noticias/Uribe-defiende-principio-de-la-no-intervencion

Uribe has more guts in his pinky than Obama, the supposed, leader of the free world.

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 4:06 AM

Obama now stands against President Uribe, the most popular anti Communist president in Colombian history (and our staunchest ally in Latin America), and makes common cause with the most hated Communist dictators in Latin American history; Chavez, Ortega, and the Castros.

http://www.laprensahn.com/index.php/Ediciones/2009/07/01/Noticias/Uribe-defiende-principio-de-la-no-intervencion

elduende on July 1, 2009 at 4:09 AM

Maybe it wasn’t a coup.

It says that he is supposed to lose his citizenship if he does something like he did. Maybe they deport those in their country who are not citizens.

1. He committed a crime, that, by their constitution, costs his him citizenship.
2. The Supreme Court and Congress unanimously invoke this clause.
3. The Army, at their orders, picks him up.
4. Then, according to their (I’m assuming) policy, they deport him.

It all seems logical to me. :) :) :)

Theophile on July 1, 2009 at 5:05 AM

Wolf Howling, if I may offer a humble correction to your post, I am certain that Obama is entirely capable of distinguishing friend from foe. The problem is that his friends are our foes and vice-versa.

Back to the topic at hand, I am disappointed but not surprised at the Obama administration’s appalling behavior in this case. What is more amazing is that, apparently with the exception of Colombia’s Uribe, Obama’s opinions are shared by pretty much every other leader. Where are the defenders of the people against ever more powerful autocrats a la Chavez?

jwolf on July 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM

ITS ALL GEORGE BUSH’S FAULT, EVERYTHING IS GEORGE BUSH’S FAULT, IN FACT HE WAS IN COMMAND OF THE TITANIC WHEN IT HIT THE ICEBERG, IT WAS THAT EVIL VICE PRESIDENT OF HIS WHO COVERED IT UP FOR HIM !!!

Conservativesailor on July 1, 2009 at 12:08 PM